I care little for benchmarks and mainly care about general ui smoothness and gaming performance however with my EVO 3d I get none of the above. the ui is ussually smooth but has occasional hitches even with dual core forced on, 1.566 GHz de under clock and leedroid rom and kernel. stereoscopic 3d games lag immensely and i can confirm that the optimous 3d does not. benchmark scores are very low (which would be acceptable if the phone had a smooth ui and good gaming performance which it does not). On Nenamark 2 i got around 29fps which i thought was unusually low so i checked the comparison chart and on the top was a t mobile gsII with an adreno 220 scoring 54fps which was about 10fps higher than the exynos gsII. also in quadrant i score around 2200 at the most on performance and noticed that t mobile gsII scores were around 4000. why are the sensation and evo 3d so slow?
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I care little for benchmarks and mainly care about general ui smoothness and gaming performance however with my EVO 3d I get none of the above. the ui is ussually smooth but has occasional hitches even with dual core forced on, 1.566 GHz de under clock and leedroid rom and kernel. stereoscopic 3d games lag immensely and i can confirm that the optimous 3d does not. benchmark scores are very low (which would be acceptable if the phone had a smooth ui and good gaming performance which it does not). On Nenamark 2 i got around 29fps which i thought was unusually low so i checked the comparison chart and on the top was a t mobile gsII with an adreno 220 scoring 54fps which was about 10fps higher than the exynos gsII. also in quadrant i score around 2200 at the most on performance and noticed that t mobile gsII scores were around 4000. why are the sensation and evo 3d so slow?
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Have you aceepted the latest OTA update which included a battery fix and radio etc?
It boosted the Nenamark 2's 27-30fps to 42-45fps and the UI is smoother than before on 1.2 Ghz with stock ROM.
If you are Sprint evo 3d user (CDMA) then relock your phone's bootloader (if unlocked) and use this RUU.
http://www.filefactory.com/file/c19...216_NV_NV_spcs_1.42_release_233304_signed.exe
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also in quadrant i score around 2200 at the most on performance and noticed that t mobile gsII scores were around 4000. why are the sensation and evo 3d so slow?
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My Quadrant score is over 4200 on the EVO 3D. So....
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Try lowering your overclock or going back to stock to test it. If you are trying to push your CPU too far it will actually start hurting it's performance instead of helping it.
What game are you playing that causes it to lag? I've only seen mine lag once that i can remember and it was just for a moment.
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My Quadrant score is over 4200 on the EVO 3D. So....
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putting the galaxy s2 up against this phone isn't fair lol the overclocked s2 is twice as fast as the evo 3d lol me and many other people I know have put them up against eachother in many ways and overclocked that s2 is a beast but I still hate samsung lol
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putting the galaxy s2 up against this phone isn't fair lol the overclocked s2 is twice as fast as the evo 3d lol me and many other people I know have put them up against eachother in many ways and overclocked that s2 is a beast but I still hate samsung lol
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I agree Samsung Galaxy S II is a beast, I was just showing that it is entirely possible for our phone to score in the 4000's as well.
The SII just has a better CPU and GPU, so it isnt a surprise that it outperforms the EVO 3D to me.
i have a gsm evo 3d so that update is not really relevant but thanks anyway, my phone isn`t really over-clocked but scores are definitely higher on 1.566ghz. My phone lags on all stereoscopic 3d games one example being asphalt 6. My UI is actually quite smooth considering that i have widgets on all pages. I tried a sense 3.5 ROM and it is buttery smooth in all aspects however 3d gaming is not working. Does anyone know what is up with fpse and the opengl plugin, when i enable it i get like 40fps when adreno 205 devices get 60. but this thread was mainly to help not only me but others experiencing similar issues. thanks for your replies. BTY the gsII isn`t running sense and has a newer CPU (cortex a9) so that counts as a double boost in benchmark scores.
i cant get over 3100 on quadrant no matter what i do.. my phone overclocks to 1.8.. i think i have tryed almost every rom.. the rom i get 3100 with is the newest cm7 rom with the kernel that comes with the rom.. its an anthrax kernel...
nice! what rom and kernel?
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I agree Samsung Galaxy S II is a beast, I was just showing that it is entirely possible for our phone to score in the 4000's as well.
The SII just has a better CPU and GPU, so it isnt a surprise that it outperforms the EVO 3D to me.
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actually that is not entirely true, the main reason i established this thread was not for the lag but because of the fact that the snapdragon t mobile GSII out performed the Mali GSII.
Interesting. Well chock that one up to Samsung being far better electronic engineers than HTC. That will get a lot of hate because people love their HTC phones, but Samsung is just a really great designer of CPUs and firmware.
Most likely the Snapdragon in the GSII is slightly different from ours and even if it is 100% the same, Samsung would probably be using custom tweaked firmware and such.
Think of it like Intel's new solid state drive. It still uses the same SandForce controller as many other products, but a lot of bugs are fixed on the Intel and performance is a bit higher because Intel knows how to develop proper firmware and do testing.
For those people that love their galaxy s2 so much, wait till Samsung pulls the plug on future updates. They have the habit of doing that. Or they just take FOREVER
I was a epic 4g owner
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What is your setup?
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My Quadrant score is over 4200 on the EVO 3D. So....
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you htc evo 3d cdma users are lucky because you get all the development, i have a gsm evo and we have like <10 roms available and <15 kernels. the best is probably leedroids rom which has many speed tweaks and features but it still only gets about 2600 in quadrant and 6000 in antutu give or take 100. nenamark still gets sub 35fps even with gpu overclock.
I believe that the most fair way to perform a benchmark with the Evo 3D is to clock the processor to 1.5 gHz because that is the speed that Qualcomm intented for the chip.
OP, it's just you.I get epic performance on my phone. Maybe it's just your stupidity causing the phone to lag.loljk but no, no lag for me.
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Has the GSM version closed the performance gap yet ? has an official/3rd party fix update come out
I'm getting mine tommorow and if i don't get adreno220 performance its's got to go lol
My EVO 3D with Stock kernel at 1.2 Ghz and MeanROM 2.0 gets about 3300-3400 in Quadrant.
i always say this, EVO is slower (in benchmarks and UI) because sense... and sense is not only the launcher it is all skinned android background on UI...
remove sense and what you get... using CM7 by KMyers
(i did this benchmark in a robo-battle between EVO3D and SGSII on other forum jaja ...
SGSII wins with 7500 vs my EVO3D with 7200 score , but i want to say, i dont think OC SGSII is twice more fast than evo3d)
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Andreno 220 doesnt beat tegra in real world performance, benchmarks are bias, ive tried n64oid on my phone and n64oid on my buddies tegra 2 atrix, mario kart stutters as well as sound on evo 3d, ive tried multi roms, atrix runs sound and game perfect, no sound issues or stuttering gameplay, goldeneye runs like crap on evo where atrix is running full speed, both phones non rooted or oc'd. Gameloft games run good on andreno 220 like nova 2 and spiderman, modern combat 2 runs great but not n64oid, i thought this be a stepup from evo 4g which did the same, my only answer is snapdragon cpu sucks with emulators cause ive heard emu run off cpu. What really pisses me off is theirs guys on here saying mariokart runs flawless on evo 3d but it runs stuttery on my phone, qnd im not a noob ive had cm7 on my evo 4g so being rooted increase performance but theirs no root for 3d evo yet so what gives, ik running n64oid v1.1.4 :.......... Any help would be great ive seen vids of htc desire hd running mariokart perfect and its not even dual core is their a setting im missing ive tried max frame skip on 10 and on 0
Congratz on on your first post...HATER
Funny, I'm not really having the lagging issues. I'll get a random stutter from time to time, but I've seen that on every phone, regardless of chipset.
Can you try to get a logcat going while you are playing so we can see what may be causing it, maybe an app syncing or something.
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Andreno 220 doesnt beat tegra in real world performance, benchmarks are bias, ive tried n64oid on my phone and n64oid on my buddies tegra 2 atrix, mario kart stutters as well as sound on evo 3d, ive tried multi roms, atrix runs sound and game perfect, no sound issues or stuttering gameplay, goldeneye runs like crap on evo where atrix is running full speed, both phones non rooted or oc'd. Gameloft games run good on andreno 220 like nova 2 and spiderman, modern combat 2 runs great but not n64oid, i thought this be a stepup from evo 4g which did the same, my only answer is snapdragon cpu sucks with emulators cause ive heard emu run off cpu. What really pisses me off is theirs guys on here saying mariokart runs flawless on evo 3d but it runs stuttery on my phone, qnd im not a noob ive had cm7 on my evo 4g so being rooted increase performance but theirs no root for 3d evo yet so what gives, ik running n64oid v1.1.4 :.......... Any help would be great ive seen vids of htc desire hd running mariokart perfect and its not even dual core is their a setting im missing ive tried max frame skip on 10 and on 0
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so what your saying that it sucks ONLY for emulators? because i havent tried them but for everything else i say it works flawlessly.
n64oid doesn't care what gpu you are using.
That's interesting to hear. I may have to try it out. Mario Kart ran really smooth on my Epic.
I think you failed to mention that the dev of the N64oid said hell update the app to take advantage of the dual core. Its the app not the phone.
Anyways as with most trolls, opinions always trump the facts.
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Andreno 220 doesnt beat tegra in real world performance, benchmarks are bias, ive tried n64oid on my phone and n64oid on my buddies tegra 2 atrix, mario kart stutters as well as sound on evo 3d, ive tried multi roms, atrix runs sound and game perfect, no sound issues or stuttering gameplay, goldeneye runs like crap on evo where atrix is running full speed, both phones non rooted or oc'd. Gameloft games run good on andreno 220 like nova 2 and spiderman, modern combat 2 runs great but not n64oid, i thought this be a stepup from evo 4g which did the same, my only answer is snapdragon cpu sucks with emulators cause ive heard emu run off cpu. What really pisses me off is theirs guys on here saying mariokart runs flawless on evo 3d but it runs stuttery on my phone, qnd im not a noob ive had cm7 on my evo 4g so being rooted increase performance but theirs no root for 3d evo yet so what gives, ik running n64oid v1.1.4 :.......... Any help would be great ive seen vids of htc desire hd running mariokart perfect and its not even dual core is their a setting im missing ive tried max frame skip on 10 and on 0
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Go buy an Atrix? Yeah, sounds good to me.
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3vo. That is all that needs be said.
Get out of here Samsung fan boy, spreading your lies and deceptions. Your 1 post isn't fooling any of us so GTFO!
Edit: June 30th 2011, haha. Did you really subscribe just to say that BS on this forum? You are pathetic.
Im not a hatet i love my 3vo and old evo 4g im just angry cause my buddies lower tech phone runs n64oid perfect and the new gpu which they claim trumps the tegra 2 by 7% im not seeing it on my phone, which is why im asking if its something else thats wrong, so if anybody can test id really appreciate it, u can download free apk at slideme just google it so reply back with results, maybe his emu isnt good with andreno gpus
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Im not a hatet i love my 3vo and old evo 4g im just angry cause my buddies lower tech phone runs n64oid perfect and the new gpu which they claim trumps the tegra 2 by 7% im not seeing it on my phone, which is why im asking if its something else thats wrong, so if anybody can test id really appreciate it, u can download free apk at slideme just google it so reply back with results, maybe his emu isnt good with andreno gpus
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So instead of simply just asking for help, you have to give all this extra input of how terrible the GPU is. hmmmmmmm, GL with that help, but #1 I don't do N64, never owned one (I will be doing PSX this weekend). #2 I dont like your method, but maybe others will help.
Does the emulator even use the gpu? Why not do a test with something that does!
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Dont these emulators not even use the gpu?
Gotta put up with idiots like this, OP when bringing up issues with the beloved 3D.
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Im not a hatet i love my 3vo and old evo 4g im just angry cause my buddies lower tech phone runs n64oid perfect and the new gpu which they claim trumps the tegra 2 by 7% im not seeing it on my phone, which is why im asking if its something else thats wrong, so if anybody can test id really appreciate it, u can download free apk at slideme just google it so reply back with results, maybe his emu isnt good with andreno gpus
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The Atrix is a lower tech phone by... the SMALLEST of percentages. 7%?. you realize that isn't 70% right?
Atrix is a dual core as well, it's not "low tech" by any means.
also, been out long enough for the developer of N64roid to probably, I dunno, update his app to work better with that one.
give it some time, it's a brand new phone and needs to be updated for. patiences
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So instead of simply just asking for help, you have to give all this extra input of how terrible the GPU is. hmmmmmmm, GL with that help, but #1 I don't do N64, never owned one (I will be doing PSX this weekend). #2 I dont like your method, but maybe others will help.
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I don't like your method either. It's pretty f'n annoying.
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Gotta put up with idiots like this, OP when bringing up issues with the beloved 3D.
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Accept it isn't an issue... it uses cpu not gpu, and it hasn't been updated to support our phones. so.
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Gotta put up with idiots like this, OP when bringing up issues with the beloved 3D.
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Yea I'm the idiot cause he came in here spewing crap instead of asking for someones assistance on the matter. I think Toxic pretty much summed it up in his post. Nothing else to say on this matter. Someone is more than welcome to help him out, I just think he went about it wrong. End of story.
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I don't like your method either. It's pretty f'n annoying.
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Your annoying, haha
BTW I'm sorry I annoyed you. Is there anything I can do to gain your forgiveness?
Hey guys, i just compared my GS2 and my stock asia EVO3D and the benchmarks are miles apart. GS2 is rooted and custom ROM but not a big difference from stock. I get a total of upper 5000 and the EVO3D is in the mid 3000 mark. Only thing that comes close between the two devices are the benchmarks of the 3D section. I was wondering if anyone who has a CDMA/GSM custom rooted EVO3D can do a test and if it can get to 5000 or so mark. Thanks!!! Sorry I haven't passed my days for warranty/repair so cannot root it just yet Awaiting eagerly though!
Ever wonder why computer games run much smoother on a low res monitor than higher res ones？
There is 35% more pixels to calculate in QHD than at WVGA screen.
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Hey guys, i just compared my GS2 and my stock asia EVO3D and the benchmarks are miles apart. GS2 is rooted and custom ROM but not a big difference from stock. I get a total of upper 5000 and the EVO3D is in the mid 3000 mark. Only thing that comes close between the two devices are the benchmarks of the 3D section. I was wondering if anyone who has a CDMA/GSM custom rooted EVO3D can do a test and if it can get to 5000 or so mark. Thanks!!! Sorry I haven't passed my days for warranty/repair so cannot root it just yet Awaiting eagerly though!
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You definitely can. (with Root and oc kernel.)
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Jeeezuzzz 6000!!! I hope you didn't photoshopped that! LOL i can't wait to root and install a custom kernel (not released source i think yet). I noticed the RAM section increased A WHOLE lot compared to mine. It was like 200 or 300 something (stock). I thought u can't overclock this nomore than 1.3Ghz? Anyway to test your scores with stock clock speed?
Thanked you my friend! At least i know something is holding down this little beast waiting to be unleashed.
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Jeeezuzzz 6000!!! I hope you didn't photoshopped that! LOL i can't wait to root and install a custom kernel (not released source i think yet). I noticed the RAM section increased A WHOLE lot compared to mine. It was like 200 or 300 something (stock). I thought u can't overclock this nomore than 1.3Ghz? Anyway to test your scores with stock clock speed?
Thanked you my friend! At least i know something is holding down this little beast waiting to be unleashed.
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It's not shopped, but I just realized that pic is from a few weeks ago.. I think that was on an early AOSP build, so CM or another AOSPish build would give you the same results. I also will update the tests here for you... With a newer version of Antutu, and one test at stock speeds, just for kicks... (but I won't flash Sense anything, sorry.. Lol)
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You definitely can. (with Root and oc kernel.)
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(Mine IS CDMA, by the way.)
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RAM 1098/CPU freq 1728/CPU Integer 1893 ?
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RAM 1098/CPU freq 1728/CPU Integer 1893 ?
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I don't know what the CPU integer number even means, lol.
But here's a new one running CM7, oc'd to 1728.
BTW, because I have a jillion apps, Antutu said "unable to perform sdcard test:must have 300 MB free"... So this score should actually be between 200-300 points higher with the same full test as before.
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Found the way to capture.
Just ran the benchmark and got a score of 6228. I'm running the cm7 alpha and overclocked. I would definitely consider myself a rookie so I'm sure higher numbers are possible. Ill try to get a screen shot up in some form when I get home for the proof and some details.
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After seeing these possible scores, I am growing impatient with the gsm kernel release. Thanks fellow cdma evo 3D owners.
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Quite happy with it
LeeDroid 1.72Ghz GSM
No.2 at the chart. ,1st transformer,3rd Galaxy s2
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Very nice!!!
I wonder what tweaks you used that I didn't What voltage are you using at that frequency?
If you put your EVO in flight mode and add a better sdcard (just 26 write??) you could even up that by 100-200.
Beast.
Beast.
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SteelH Green Dialer
Warm LeeDroid Tweaks
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GSM Shooter Beats...
My score... 6396... I think its pretty good.
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LeeDroid 1.72Ghz GSM
No.2 at the chart. ,1st transformer,3rd Galaxy s2
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have you alltered any thing in leedroid because when i tried that rom it had lover score, sorry on my english
heres my scores
RAM- 1128
CPU INTEGER- 2510
CPU FLOAT-POINT- 1107
2D- 294
3D- 1234
DATABASE IO- 480
SD WRITE - 140
SD READ- 186
CPU FREQUENCY- 1836 MHZ
TOTAL - 7079
TWEAKED SNERGY
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But why?!?
The Qualcomm CPU should kick ass. (Granted, it might not be faster than the Exynos in SGII but it shouldn't be MUCH slower) The GPU is also on par, if not faster than the Mali and Tegra GPU...
So why do my Benchmark scores kinda suck? My Tegra2 powered 7 inch tablet usually gets way better scores than my Evo3D... On some benchmarks it's even noticably behind LG Optimus 2X and similar phones that it should be AT LEAST on par with, if not faster...
Is it only the ROM that's at fault here or what's going on? What benchmark scores do the rest of you get? Smartbench, Antutu, Quadrant, CF Bench and all the rest of them?
(And yes, the phone is smooth enough in everyday use. And benchmarks don't mean everything, but it DOES mean something...)
It only means anything if all you do is bench testing on your phone. Try play games, watch films and take some picture with youe phone instead.
The mal 400 is way faster than anything else in android phones.
Never the less, nothing comes close to taxing the 3d processor or go. So don't worry about benches.
What more do you really need out of EVO3D benches to see that with the right ROM, and not having 46 widgets and livewallpaper running in the background, you can get some pretty nice scores:
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Various roms, kernels, no telling really what at the time, but pretty much in line. There's something wrong with the Rom you're on, or your setup if you can't get good benches with this phone, IMHO.
What ROM, kernel, are you running, and what's a 'bad' score in your book?
<<Robotron 2084 = Perfection>>
I love it when people jizz over benchmark scores. Like justj said, try some apps, games, and movies. If they run fantastically, then you're phone is running great, and you don't need to worry about silly benchmark numbers.
Real Use >>>>>>> Benchmarks
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What ROM, kernel, are you running, and what's a 'bad' score in your book?
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Ah, thank you... I'll turn off everything but the benchmarking app, and get back to you with the scores... As for "bad score" well, I'd expect it to beat my tablet (Tegra2, 1024*600 resolution) as well as the LG 2X, Atrix, Optimus 3D, and most of the newer phones on the market, really. Which it at present doesn't do. It gets beaten by the Nexus S in some benchmarks!
Video and games and so on run pretty fast and smooth, so overall I'm happy and don't place TOO much weight on benchmarks. I just find it odd, because benchmarks to certain degree DO reflect real world performance.
I'll get back to you with scores and which ROM etc. Off the top of my head, I remember it's running 2.3.4 Rogers ROM...
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Ah, thank you... I'll turn off everything but the benchmarking app, and get back to you with the scores... As for "bad score" well, I'd expect it to beat my tablet (Tegra2, 1024*600 resolution) as well as the LG 2X, Atrix, Optimus 3D, and most of the newer phones on the market, really. Which it at present doesn't do. It gets beaten by the Nexus S in some benchmarks!
Video and games and so on run pretty fast and smooth, so overall I'm happy and don't place TOO much weight on benchmarks. I just find it odd, because benchmarks to certain degree DO reflect real world performance.
I'll get back to you with scores and which ROM etc. Off the top of my head, I remember it's running 2.3.4 Rogers ROM...
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Didn't know you had a GSM phone.... Those are capped at 80% of potential speed by the Canadian Government.
(Nah, j/k).
Good luck on outbenchmarking the LG2X... (you'll need it). Benchmarks can't save a bad phone, but if they could, that's where they'd start. I've seen multiple screens from multiple Lg2x users running CM7 with Quadrant Standard scores of over 5K. That's insane.
We'll probably never see that on an EVO3D, but it doesn't matter, because ultimately, the LG2X isn't half the phone at the end of the day.
Just my 2 cents.
Edit: If your tablet happens to be a Viewsonic Gtab, well, forget that notion as well. That basically is at the top of every benchmark 'top scores' list.
I've got one.
Is it fast?
Incredibly fast.
Would I trade it right now for a "slower" tablet that was a "better" tablet?
You betcha.
Righty o...
I could always upload screenshots later if you think that might be a good idea, but here are some scores:
Antutu: 4442, which puts it behind both the S2, the Optimus 2X and the Motorola Xoom (!?!)
Nenamark 2 reported a somewhat respectable 25.6.
Smartbench 2011 (Supposedly the only benchmark suite that takes dualcore into consideration): Productivity: 2397 Games: 1650
(Which is behind the Transformer Tab and Atrix in both categories, and even behind the Nexus S and Galaxy S in Games)
Quadrant:1491 (Just ahead of Moto Droid X and Nexus One at 1250!)
Devicemark: 1325 (Equal to Desire HD, but behind the Atrix and LG 2X)
CF Bench: 8740, 1364, 4314 (Way behind both the Atrix and the Sensation?!)
I think that's it as far as the benchmarks I ran. I can upload the screenshots if you think it might help. As for the phone, it's a Rogers phone with the 2.3.4 Gingerbread, HTC software: 1.20.631.2
(BTW: What does "SMP PREEMPT" mean in the Kernel version?!?)
And no, the tablet is an Iconia A100. Zippy little thing, though I don't understand how it can run corners around my Evo with a Tegra CPU and more pixels to push...
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Righty o...
I could always upload screenshots later if you think that might be a good idea, but here are some scores:
Antutu: 4442, which puts it behind both the S2, the Optimus 2X and the Motorola Xoom (!?!)
Nenamark 2 reported a somewhat respectable 25.6.
Smartbench 2011 (Supposedly the only benchmark suite that takes dualcore into consideration): Productivity: 2397 Games: 1650
(Which is behind the Transformer Tab and Atrix in both categories, and even behind the Nexus S and Galaxy S in Games)
Quadrant:1491 (Just ahead of Moto Droid X and Nexus One at 1250!)
Devicemark: 1325 (Equal to Desire HD, but behind the Atrix and LG 2X)
CF Bench: 8740, 1364, 4314 (Way behind both the Atrix and the Sensation?!)
I think that's it as far as the benchmarks I ran. I can upload the screenshots if you think it might help. As for the phone, it's a Rogers phone with the 2.3.4 Gingerbread, HTC software: 1.20.631.2
(BTW: What does "SMP PREEMPT" mean in the Kernel version?!?)
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There is something seriously wrong. The least you should be getting is around 2000-2500.
Yeah, I turned off background apps, etc. What scores do people with the Rogers ROM usually get? Would backing up and then a full restore to factory settings help?
I'm rooted btw, but didn't install an alternate rom.
No question that the gs2 benches well but after having one for a couple days I missed my 3d..I trade benches for a smooth and usable UI ..but ocd I can beat the gs2 in every bench app there is ..I never felt the supposed increase in speed that the epic has ..the 3d opened my apps faster and was more stable using games that utilized the gyro ie homerun baseball 3d ..almost unplayable on the gs2..our phones have plenty of power either way we have plenty of power on tap
Nope. Quadrant seems about right from what I remember with the Rogers ROM. Not much better with LeeDroid either.
Might have to do with the inability of GSM devs to tweak the kernel and overclock as HTC messed up the board files in the kernel sources they released for the GSM.
This is what I've got with aosp oc...
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And no, the tablet is an Iconia A100. Zippy little thing, though I don't understand how it can run corners around my Evo with a Tegra CPU and more pixels to push...
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Oooh... I'm VERY interested in the A100... I'm actually going to Best Buy today, as they finally have them in stock @~300$... But they have the Flyer as well at the same price...
The a100 IS sporting a dual-core Tegra2 A9 processor, is it not?
And since HC 3.2 in a brand-new device is probably optimized better, speed-wise, I, for one, would expect it to out-perform the 3d in a benchmark test, even @ 1000Mhz.
How do you like the A100, overall?
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No, you kinda lost, because you made anyone who might be interested download a dropbox file instead of just doing this:
EDIT: WHOOPS, Sorry dude... If I had noticed you were using drocap or whatever I would've understood your need to dropbox it.
Some of those market screenshot apps just do not work. Native screenshot works fine for me..END EDIT.
(whatevs, no biggie, lol.. Nice scores.. Which Rom/kernel combo is that, if you don't mind me asking?
I'm gonna just guess and say that's an OC'd aosp rom.
Yes?
mazook98 said:
How do you like the A100, overall?
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I actually really like it! When I was in the store, I let all the tablets do a sunspider test, and the A100 actually came out ahead of everybody, even the iPad2, so it IS a zippy little fella.
Anything in particular you'd like to know? The two cameras are just fine, the few times I used them for anything else than a webcam, they did the job fine.
Speakers are great and really loud. The screen is a bit on the dim side, but turning off the auto light in settings take care of that. It's really comfortable to hold, even for extended periods of time, even if the plastic might make it feel and look less than a premium product.
Batterylife is kinda meh, I usually don't get more than 5 hours out of it, but then again it's pretty rare that I take it somewhere where there isn't a charger around. The only thing I can think off that would require your tab to be on for 5 hours is a plane trip, and even most of those have chargers these days
The only caveat I would have, is that as a Evo3D owner a 7 inch screen might be a bit too small. I mean the difference between 7 and 4.3 inches isn't that big in daily use, and after getting the Evo I kinda find the 7 inch screen a bit on the small side. Might just be me though. If I had to choose any tablet today, I think I'd go for the Galaxy. The 10 inch size is just right, and it weighs pretty much the same as the A100, and since getting a tablet I've found out that weight means more in terms of portability than just size.
The only other thing I've found to be annoying would probably also apply to the Flyer: There aren't too many tablet apps available as it is, and the few tablet apps there are, aren't always compatible with 7 inch tabs. There are way more apps and games available for 10 inch tablets.
Oh yeah, one more thing: The A100 is super easy too root. Took me like 5 mins. But the support for it is pretty poor. There's like no ROMs available for it at all, which I find really weird. Not yet anyways, but hopefully it'll gain some devs...
vszulc said:
Oh yeah, one more thing: The A100 is super easy too root. Took me like 5 mins. But the support for it is pretty poor. There's like no ROMs available for it at all, which I find really weird. Not yet anyways, but hopefully it'll gain some devs...
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BTW, I posted this somewhere else, and you may already know this trick, but if you wanna "revert your UI to Gingerbread" on an HC tablet (I did.... Just not into HC yet), and since you've already rooted, if you change your density to 171 (or above) , it will revert the ui to GB, (something you might be more used to, or like better) , while maintaining compatibility with those 3.0 apps.
<<work in progress>>
How is it that the Xiami Mi-One, running the same dualcore snapdragon (@ 1.5 GHz) as the Evo 3D, the sensation and the T-Mobile GSII is able to blow them all out of the water in performance?
I've seen benchmarks from multiple sources but here is one:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5053/vellamo-benchmarking-on-six-android-phones
Is there any way we can use the optimizations in this phone for our own benefit on the Evo 3D?
Well if you read closer in the article, they say that Vellamo runs browser performance which they equate to processor benchmarking and that Xiaomi have made changes to the stock android browser as well as it runs 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 and there may be further optimizations in the updated Android. It would be nice to see what modifications have been done to the browser and if they can be appliead elsewhere but:
1. HTC Sense weighs down the OS, which is why EVO 3D performs worse than Xiaomi and Galaxy SII Skyrocket with same processors and,
2. I never trust the Chinese.
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Plus, it runs MIUI which has lots of changes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19456355&postcount=4969
That was my next suggestion. Flash MIUI and see benchmark
Or we can stop relying on benchmarks and start using actual performance as a baseline....
Does anyone actually HAVE IT (outside china) to see how it works?
Also, can I change that mi-UI to ENGLISH?
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That was my next suggestion. Flash MIUI and see benchmark
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this is my evo 3d antutu benchmark(no oc,android 2.3.7)
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OP, where did you get the 1.5G EVO 3D? mine is 1.2G. And I searched on internet can't find an official Evo 3d with 1.5G CPU.
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OP, where did you get the 1.5G EVO 3D? mine is 1.2G. And I searched on internet can't find an official Evo 3d with 1.5G CPU.
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There is no Evo 3D with a 1.5 Ghz CPU. Perhaps my post is worded poorly but I meant to say the Xiaomi is 1.5 not the Evo.
Technically they are all the same CPU (potentially having different radios) but its possible the Evo 3D's 1.2 GHz chips are the lower binned ones, though I've never heard of an Evo 3D that couldn't handle a 1.5 GHz overclock.
Here is a review of the phone with some benchmark numbers:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/
Seems like a solid performer and for a very reasonable price, too bad its not available in the US.
Yea the EVO 3d git throttled back for battery saving... But the CPU specs call for 1.52 ghz
Shot from my shooter in 3D
injected with cleanrom2.8
LOL. I can imagine a few ways to boost your performance.
For example, with quadrant, use a script to mount its storage to a ramdisk
There's a zillion ways for someone unscrupulous to cheat in these silly scores... With such an unreliable ROM as that one (and I implore you not to run MIUI for a variety of reasons), what makes you think it's being honest about that?
Heck, I could write a memory resident program that would adjust the scores perceived by a benchmark Remember, when you run an untrusted firmware, you cannot trust anything you see on the screen
poweroutlet said:
How is it that the Xiami Mi-One, running the same dualcore snapdragon (@ 1.5 GHz) as the Evo 3D, the sensation and the T-Mobile GSII is able to blow them all out of the water in performance?
I've seen benchmarks from multiple sources but here is one:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5053/vellamo-benchmarking-on-six-android-phones
Is there any way we can use the optimizations in this phone for our own benefit on the Evo 3D?
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Because its been drinking green tea all morning.
Put your 3d in green tea all morning.
DUH?
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What's wrong with running Miui?
I want you all to know this I have a mi-one device and I will be the first to say that I think the EVO 3D runs and feels faster then the mi-one. And I also have the HTC Sensation and its feels a little faster then the EVO 3D.
Both running MIUI!
there is some cool things about the MI-ONE device but I prefer to use my EVO 3D.
The Mi-Two Plus is the next bad ass device!
scott951 said:
I want you all to know this I have a mi-one device and I will be the first to say that I think the EVO 3D runs and feels faster then the mi-one. And I also have the HTC Sensation and its feels a little faster then the EVO 3D.
Both running MIUI!
there is some cool things about the MI-ONE device but I prefer to use my EVO 3D.
The Mi-Two Plus is the next bad ass device!
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i find it weird that the sensation feels faster given that aside from cameras and screen technology, the only real difference is RAM, which the E3D has more of. I wonder if it's because of the the dev support on the sensation is greater, therefore they can squeeze more performance out of the device. any thoughts scott?
There is a ROM in the cdma development that OC'd at 1.8 ghz! (I think it was ziggy's dual core kernel that was used in the ROM)
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LOL. I can imagine a few ways to boost your performance.
For example, with quadrant, use a script to mount its storage to a ramdisk
There's a zillion ways for someone unscrupulous to cheat in these silly scores... With such an unreliable ROM as that one (and I implore you not to run MIUI for a variety of reasons), what makes you think it's being honest about that?
Heck, I could write a memory resident program that would adjust the scores perceived by a benchmark Remember, when you run an untrusted firmware, you cannot trust anything you see on the screen
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pulser, your sig is effing hilarious!
scott951 said:
I want you all to know this I have a mi-one device and I will be the first to say that I think the EVO 3D runs and feels faster then the mi-one. And I also have the HTC Sensation and its feels a little faster then the EVO 3D.
Both running MIUI!
there is some cool things about the MI-ONE device but I prefer to use my EVO 3D.
The Mi-Two Plus is the next bad ass device!
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/me goes off to google "Mi-Two Plus"
I'm guessing but I think the 3D technology.
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raptoro07 said:
Well if you read closer in the article, they say that Vellamo runs browser performance which they equate to processor benchmarking and that Xiaomi have made changes to the stock android browser as well as it runs 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 and there may be further optimizations in the updated Android. It would be nice to see what modifications have been done to the browser and if they can be appliead elsewhere but:
1. HTC Sense weighs down the OS, which is why EVO 3D performs worse than Xiaomi and Galaxy SII Skyrocket with same processors and,
2. I never trust the Chinese.
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Plus, it runs MIUI which has lots of changes.
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i dont think its right that you dont trust us only because of where we are born, its not things that we can decide.
most part of chinese are kind deeply, i mean, except the politicians and the f_cking government, you know what i mean
Probably because the hardware and software are developed for each other?
Similar to why people say slow ass iPhones are faster than top of the range Android phones.
That's my guess.
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http://phandroid.com/2012/02/28/spr...c-one-x-variant-evo-hd-lte-coming-soon-rumor/
Not for me, but a solid upgrade for OG EVO users I guess.
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
eXplicit815 said:
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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Lol or like the fat kid eating pudding
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eXplicit815 said:
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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To each there own. Me personally, I'm hoping to never see another 3d phone. As for the Tegra, if Sprint gets a varient of the X One, it will come equipped with an Quallcom s4 processor. Only the Euro varients have tegra with no LTE.
eXplicit815 said:
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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wont be terga3 bud sorry. itll be qualcomm s4 if we get the device. HTC stated the reason the LTE version of the phone has the S4 in it was because " ...Nvidia doesn't have very solid LTE which is ready for the market yet,..." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400774,00.asp
regardless id much much rather have the new S4 chips than the terga3. it isn't all about # cores. and as ive stated many times that dualcore S4 keeps up or is better than the Terga in just about all tests that anandtech did in their article. Plus you have the advantage of battery saving with the baseband modems being built in the die so no extra LTE modem chip like we do with wimax and others do with 4G so far.
ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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wont be terga3 bud sorry. itll be qualcomm s4 if we get the device. HTC stated the reason the LTE version of the phone has the S4 in it was because " ...Nvidia doesn't have very solid LTE which is ready for the market yet,..." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400774,00.asp
regardless id much much rather have the new S4 chips than the terga3. it isn't all about # cores. and as ive stated many times that dualcore S4 keeps up or is better than the Terga in just about all tests that anandtech did in their article. Plus you have the advantage of battery saving with the baseband modems being built in the die so no extra LTE modem chip like we do with wimax and others do with 4G so far.
ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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still cant believe this guy hasn't changed his article. sent him a tweet and posted in the comments an hour ago about how CTIA is in May this year NOT March....shotty journalism. lol
Yeah, I know the Tegra 3 is a long-shot, but I can dream. I'm just interested in trying something other than the Snapdragon series. I've used the Galaxy Tab 10.1 frequently, and I'm impressed. But regardless, I'll probably get this just because it's the next big thing out, and it's Sense 4.0 with ICS. I really wish they wouldn't throw in the towel with the EVO 3D, but I think that'll be a one-hit-wonder. I just like having a new phone every year.
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yes im sure. lol
28nm (pretty much A15 cortex) in the S4 versus 40nm A9cortex in the terga.....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one
the terga has the current MSM8960(S4 dualcore chip with Adreno 225 graphics) beat from with gpu possibly, although if they toss in the Adreno 320 then they win that battle easily too....
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Yeah, I know the Tegra 3 is a long-shot, but I can dream. I'm just interested in trying something other than the Snapdragon series. I've used the Galaxy Tab 10.1 frequently, and I'm impressed. But regardless, I'll probably get this just because it's the next big thing out, and it's Sense 4.0 with ICS. I really wish they wouldn't throw in the towel with the EVO 3D, but I think that'll be a one-hit-wonder. I just like having a new phone every year.
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so you want a chip that is older and worse for the most part than the one likely to come in it? that makes a ton of sense. lol
Understand if your tired of Qualcomm but dont sell out for a lesser piece of hardware. least go for the new samsung chips out if you are anti-qualcomm now...
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yes im sure. lol
28nm (pretty much A15 cortex) in the S4 versus 40nm A9cortex in the terga.....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one
the terga has the current MSM8960(S4 dualcore chip with Adreno 225 graphics) beat from with gpu possibly, although if they toss in the Adreno 320 then they win that battle easily too....
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so you want a chip that is older and worse for the most part than the one likely to come in it? that makes a ton of sense. lol
Understand if your tired of Qualcomm but dont sell out for a lesser piece of hardware. least go for the new samsung chips out if you are anti-qualcomm now...
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All I said is I wanted to try something else. Regardless of the stats, it's nice to see a change. If I don't like it, I can always move on to something else. I won't settle for anything other than an HTC, that's just the way I am.
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All I said is I wanted to try something else. Regardless of the stats, it's nice to see a change. If I don't like it, I can always move on to something else. I won't settle for anything other than an HTC, that's just the way I am.
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gotcha. if $ is not ever an issue you have that option as always to try as many as you like.
You know those starts are not at the 1.6ghz mark. Those were the scores I got running it stock with a max of 1.3ghz. The test I did was at 1.6 and it is much faster than running 1.3 by a long shot. I'm not discrediting the S4 because it is a very fast chip but I think it will be a closer match running the T3 at its stock, tegra3, speed of 1.6ghz. I'll probably get the S4 if that's all we get and be happy with it. Then I can do some real world comparisons.
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You know those starts are not at the 1.6ghz mark. Those were the scores I got running it stock with a max of 1.3ghz. The test I did was at 1.6 and it is much faster than running 1.3 by a long shot. I'm not discrediting the S4 because it is a very fast chip but I think it will be a closer match running the T3 at its stock, tegra3, speed of 1.6ghz. I'll probably get the S4 if that's all we get and be happy with it. Then I can do some real world comparisons.
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yeah but comparing it at 1.6GHz isn't really fair as your comparing a non-stock clock speed. lol...like cranking up the S4 to 1.8GHz to be equivalent to that kind of test since that would be 1GHz over the stated top clock speed.
Tegra3->I show as listed to do Single Core @1.5GHz /Quad-Core @1.4GHz
S4 MSM9060-> listed to do 1.5GHz-1.7GHz on its spec
the above i just used what qualcomm and nvdia listed them as and not the lower clocks the carriers/OEM's set them at btw.
At 1.6 it will run, at least in my tests, three cores only. The same with 1.5ghz. At 1.3 it will run all four. The prime doesn't have it built in to do 1.4 because we don't have a custom kernel yet.
I thought I read that the S4 runs dual at 1.5, is that right? If so then you could compare the two as a close match. Either way we will have to wait till someone besides the manufacturers have it in their hands.
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yeah but comparing it at 1.6GHz isn't really fair as your comparing a non-stock clock speed. lol...like cranking up the S4 to 1.8GHz to be equivalent to that kind of test since that would be 1GHz over the stated top clock speed.
Tegra3->I show as listed to do Single Core @1.5GHz /Quad-Core @1.4GHz
S4 MSM9060-> listed to do 1.5GHz-1.7GHz on its spec
the above i just used what qualcomm and nvdia listed them as and not the lower clocks the carriers/OEM's set them at btw.
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Hopefully the next one will have a 8mp cam in it so when we root and wanna use CM or Miui or something random like that we won't lose the other one due to no 3D support on some roms.. Missed that on the EVO Camera worked on pretty much any rom you wanted...
I don't really care for benchmarks on a phone On computers ya also on the video cards for gaming and what not oh ya.. Hopefully they drop something smooth for a cpu nothing that adds more heat and smooth.. To me stock speeds do what I want it to do and works just as fine.. Battery life can depend on numerous things.. From apps to scripts to you name it... Anyway lookin forward to seeing something new and S-off maybe For the next HTC product
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At 1.6 it will run, at least in my tests, three cores only. The same with 1.5ghz. At 1.3 it will run all four. The prime doesn't have it built in to do 1.4 because we don't have a custom kernel yet.
I thought I read that the S4 runs dual at 1.5, is that right? If so then you could compare the two as a close match. Either way we will have to wait till someone besides the manufacturers have it in their hands.
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yeah deff. thats why i used the qualcomm and nvdia specs as opposed to what the manufacturers clock the chip at.
do you guys not have source yet? woulda thought that with the unlocked bootloader released that they would of at least given you guys source too....
Yeah we have source and as of yesterday got three scripts to work to allow flashing a boot.img. I can't wait to see how much this can OC...you know just because we can
sgt. slaughter said:
yeah deff. thats why i used the qualcomm and nvdia specs as opposed to what the manufacturers clock the chip at.
do you guys not have source yet? woulda thought that with the unlocked bootloader released that they would of at least given you guys source too....
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eXplicit815 said:
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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Seriously? Are you kidding me? The 3D feature is complete garbage. I have never used it once other than just to SEE what the hell it was. Very unimpressed. I only got a 3D because it was a beefier spec'd version of the Evo 4G.
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Seriously? Are you kidding me? The 3D feature is complete garbage. I have never used it once other than just to SEE what the hell it was. Very unimpressed. I only got a 3D because it was a beefier spec'd version of the Evo 4G.
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To each their own. There's actually some people that can't see it very well, or even at all, and that may be the reason why some don't like it. I think it's innovative. I can sit and enjoy an entire 3D movie on my phone without getting so much as a twitch in my eye. Others got it for the reason you mentioned, but still, if they came out with an EVO 3D 2, you would still buy it because the specs will be better than your current phone.