Related
I guess my final email to them must have struck a nerve or something. I just received a phone call from Motorola on my cell phone.
The individual was very courteous and nice, so that was a plus. Now for the information so take this anyway you want. I myself am a little skeptical, but at least I got more information from them than what we've gotten at all.
For ICS, they are currently testing the X2 for issues and bugs. The evaluation is not just talking it over on whether it's worthy of ICS or not, but they have developers working on compiling, debugging and testing to ensure they get the ICS upgrade to work along with their applications. Unless they run into major issues, there should be an ICS upgrade some day. Just not sure when.
Also, he ensured me they are not dropping support for the X2.
As for the unlocked bootloaders, they are currently in talks/negotiations with the carriers and this is what is taking so long. They are also investigating how to implement it so as to help protect the users from security issues, including data security (PI, etc).
The Motorola representative apologized for not getting back to me with this information sooner, but he wanted me to be assured that Motorola DOES take its customer's complaints/issues seriously. I did explain to him how ASUS and HTC have already unlocked their bootloaders, and he said he understands, but Motorola takes security very seriously, especially when it comes to its customers.
In many ways, I can understand where he's coming from. Now, whether this is a canned response or not, who's to say. As he was speaking to me, it did not sound like he was reading from a script.
I at least appreciate the phone call. That was much better than an email back so that I could actually converse with the person who was very polite and helpful.
Now, I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. He stated also that the ICS update page WILL be updated once they have made a decision on whether ICS will come to the X2 or not. Until then, it will stay the way it is, which could be months as they are still compiling, testing and debugging.
I did ask him if they were actually trying to compile it on the X2 and he said "yes", so unless he's feeding me a line of BS, then this is a good sign.
So, at this point, I'm going to sit back and see what happens. If by the middle of the year at the latest, nothing comes of this, then it might be time to start hounding them again, with tact of course.
iBolski said:
I guess my final email to them must have struck a nerve or something. I just received a phone call from Motorola on my cell phone.
The individual was very courteous and nice, so that was a plus. Now for the information so take this anyway you want. I myself am a little skeptical, but at least I got more information from them than what we've gotten at all.
For ICS, they are currently testing the X2 for issues and bugs. The evaluation is not just talking it over on whether it's worthy of ICS or not, but they have developers working on compiling, debugging and testing to ensure they get the ICS upgrade to work along with their applications. Unless they run into major issues, there should be an ICS upgrade some day. Just not sure when.
Also, he ensured me they are not dropping support for the X2.
As for the unlocked bootloaders, they are currently in talks/negotiations with the carriers and this is what is taking so long. They are also investigating how to implement it so as to help protect the users from security issues, including data security (PI, etc).
The Motorola representative apologized for not getting back to me with this information sooner, but he wanted me to be assured that Motorola DOES take its customer's complaints/issues seriously. I did explain to him how ASUS and HTC have already unlocked their bootloaders, and he said he understands, but Motorola takes security very seriously, especially when it comes to its customers.
In many ways, I can understand where he's coming from. Now, whether this is a canned response or not, who's to say. As he was speaking to me, it did not sound like he was reading from a script.
I at least appreciate the phone call. That was much better than an email back so that I could actually converse with the person who was very polite and helpful.
Now, I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. He stated also that the ICS update page WILL be updated once they have made a decision on whether ICS will come to the X2 or not. Until then, it will stay the way it is, which could be months as they are still compiling, testing and debugging.
I did ask him if they were in the actually trying to compile it on the X2 and he said "yes", so unless he's feeding me a line of BS, then this is a good sign.
So, at this point, I'm going to sit back and see what happens. If by the middle of the year at the latest, nothing comes of this, then it might be time to start hounding them again, with tact of course.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i wonder if it's still too early to check the servers and see what can be dug up...
i've checked them every once in a while since the announcement of the X2 being in the "evaluation and planning" stage of the ICS update but haven't found anything. (i checked with 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 updates)
Thanks for the update that is very good to know! Maybe the first step to save customers.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Thanks for the update that is very good to know! Maybe the first step to save customers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Let's hope so, Motorola needs to step up before all of their customers leave them in the dust. If that happens Google'll be moving on to buy a new company cause Motorola couldn't hold out.
Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
theredvendetta said:
Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was a phone call not email.
theredvendetta said:
Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
Sounds good
That update certainly sounds good. Well better than planning & review, anyhow.
Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
Travisdroidx2 said:
Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Sent from my DROID X2 using XDA App
iBolski said:
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
whatever
u don't have a recording so ur lieing
lol j/k
you have put in more time then anyone else I've seen to make an effort to actually get Motorola to say or do ANYTHING. so it figures you would receive a call from someone over there.
let's just hope that it wasn't melvin who called ya Hahahaha
how freaking messed up would THAT be lol
thanks for keeping us updated on your efforts iBolski.
I guess we can pretty much officially call you our "representative" on the Motorola bootloader/ICS front. thanks again!
ashclepdia said:
whatever
I guess we can pretty much officially call you our "representative" on the Motorola bootloader/ICS front. thanks again!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure if I want that title!
In any case, if/when I hear anything, I'll be sure to update everyone. For now, I guess we just hold tight and see what happens.
Devil's Advocate...
Very nice work bro! Being polite and yet slightly forceful will get you a very long way with large corporations. I did tech support for MSN, Kodak, and SONY and I can tell you that you WILL NOT get the best support if you are rude, forceful, abusive, and/or threatening. I understand that we can get frustrated with what we feel are broken promises. We are their customers and we do pay their salaries. But, at the same time, we must also understand that even though we feel we are many, and can really hurt them, we aren't and we cant. Their salaries will still be paid and their profit margins will be met. We can only politely demand that they answer our questions. Yes corporations break promises. Yes they screw the little guy over. Yes they make millions off us. But there are people behind those corporations. People the same as us. Bound by those same profit margins and salaries. WE MUST CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS PEOPLE! Not faceless money hungry machines. Enough with the hate. As hard as it is to stifle. I have been on the other side of the fence. I have been the tech and customer service rep getting cussed at for no reason and due to those experiences, I am now a MUCH more demanding consumer. The lesson I learned is this; kick, scream, cuss, *****, moan, and whine all you want, but it will get you no where in this life as a consumer. Ask for help, be polite, just like your mother taught you and you will get more out of people.
You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar goes the old adage... And its an OLD adage for a reason.
iBolski, I commend you in your efforts. Thank you for taking the high road and trying a different approach!
All I can say is, I was about to give up hope and just call it a lost cause. I'm still not holding my breath, but I'll wait and hold off on that HTC Rezound. As it is, my upgrade isn't active yet, so I'd have to pay full price which is around $600. No way.
I went ahead and responded back in my support ticket, thanking them for the phone call and how I appreciated it. But, I also let them know that we as a community still expect an answer one way or the other on both issues and to not string us along and keep us in the dark.
I think I'll have a beer, or two, or three tonight...
iBolski said:
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol my bad, not sure why I assumed it was an email. I agree, it it's a good thing they talked to you via the phone; shows that maybe they aren't afraid to face your frustration, whichis always a sign of good customer service, and if we're lucky, honesty.
No worries though, I wasn't doubting you, for I have no reason to. I've seen only good things from you
Ibolski you are the hero of the day sir. I've been following your progress with this situation and I'm glad you were so determined. I vote we ressurect a statue in your honor, or maybe just donate for all your hard work.
Sent from my MB870 using xda premium
CadenH said:
Ibolski you are the hero of the day sir. I've been following your progress with this situation and I'm glad you were so determined. I vote we ressurect a statue in your honor, or maybe just donate for all your hard work.
Sent from my MB870 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, but let's hold off on any kudos until we see if this even amounts to a hill of beans. I'm just trying to get an answer to what we all want: the status of ICS on the X2 and unlocked bootloaders.
At least now I can relax and just let it simmer for awhile and see what happens.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Sent from my DROID X2 using xda premium
Ibolski - just wanted to add my thanks for all your efforts effectively on our behalf. Have you given any thought to perhaps setting up, say a twitter dx2/Moto specific account, that we in the community could follow which if the numbers are there could be powerful proof to motto that there really are a number of its customers that share your feelings on this matter. Sort of an extension of the unlock social media campaign. I for one would follow you if you set up such an account.
Again thanks for your efforts!!!
Sent from my MB870 using Tapatalk
I am intrigued that they contacted you via phone.
I think they are taking the actions that Asus and HTC has been implementing seriously, especially because of the fact that HTC does have now unlockable phones on Verizon...
ICS Is probably more of an inevitability at this point, but the unlocked bootloader I am quite surprised at actually being discussed...
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Really you should name the title better as it gives people false hope.
Sent from my MB855 using Tapatalk
Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
Sent from my Photon 4G using Tapatalk
I'm confused about your logic on this and frankly it seems that your "I'll show you that we're screwed" attitude seems to make this irrelevant. But for the sake of anyone else reading this and getting utterly depressed that our amazing phone may not be getting ICS... well that's just incorrect. This page shows that ICS is currently in development (as opposed to "evaluation & planning") for the photon and is in the category of phones with at least 1GB of RAM, which I would like to consider promising.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Also the main complaint from the article you linked to was about delayed updating of the X2. I don't even know how much longer that's been out than the Photon b/c it's seems like a LONG time.
Anywho, stop being so d**n negative!
Plus we have awesome devs that have gotten us cm9 already, and stable much earlier than most phones so I guess I don't understand the severity of the problem if you're on this site.
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So some guy named Brandon Russell regurgitates another writers article and you all are gung hoe? I have some land I would like to talk to you about
@ricky, read back S-L-O-W-L-Y. I have no issues with my Photon, none at all. I might jump for a new EVO, but thats beside the point. I have no problems with the Developers here, they do, and continue to do a great job. But, my Photon is GREAT.
If all of you take my first suggestion here, In my OP in the link about, my issues is with Sprint and the way they handled business! How do you put a EOL of a device thats not even a year old, but you continue to support the original EVO (although threated a few times to shelve it?) If it breaks in May, you do not get another Photon, you get a compatable device. yes, CM9 is great! if it breaks then, then what, you rooted it, so that's blown out the water.
The second link was to clarify 2 things. 1. if Sprint is going to EOL the Photon, they are not going to support it, PERIOD! (It they keep that promise). Therefore, the Q3 promise is, for the most part, dead. That user responded by telling me the motorola controls OTA upgrades. As that article stated, reguardless of carrier or device, these are controlled by the carrier, not the manfuacture.
Lastly, to comment on my last sentence in this original post, who s**t on who? Did Sprint crap on Motorola with not enough advertisement, support, ect. Or did Motorola crap on Sprint by making Development promises they could not keep and Sprint finally said "F" it?
Learn how to name your threads appropriately, please.
Moto said rollout starts in Q3 - Q3 has NOT started yet!
And I don't care at all "who did what to who". It's just a friggin' phone man!! I've got a dozen gathering dust in the bottom of my closet. Along with a dozen computers I've given to charities, friends and families over the years.
dsims7_2000 if you are that angry and bitter why dont you go to Verizon or ATT. I would like to see ICS on the photon to but no one ever geranteed that it would get it. If it does then thats great if not oh well we still have cm9.
Into y'all feelings much? .... Welp this is my last few posts for the photon as I have a epic touch too and going to be there for awhile.. Look guys I been here for awhile like back since the winmo days HTC cingular 8125 and tmo wing.. And since cm3 ppl been just needy complaining upset at things that shouldn't matter.. Look it's just a phone g1 users was messed over hero users and a few more.. Just appreciate the phone as is cause if GB was the last OS update these threads wouldn't be happening!
Sent from my MB855 using xda premium
If you have one for me ill take it
Sent from my MB855 using xda premium
Dude! Calm the F&#K down!
Moto has it officially listed as rolling out in Q3. Sprint is EOL-ing certain devices early just to make sure that all WiMax hardware is cleared out before LTE comes in so there's no confusion.
If you wanted WiMax to stick around and grow, you should've rallied more people to Sprint. Instead, everyone wanted the iPhone or they thought they could "hear everybody now" on Verizon. Now they're stuck in contracts with Data caps and insane bills. Meanwhile, we still have comparatively nice bills and unlimited data but we're all stuck with having to switch over to LTE and endure a massive network overhaul. *Shrug*
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
TurbulentEddie said:
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Could not have said it better myself.
Sent from my MoPho using the XDA Premium app
TurbulentEddie said:
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree very well said
I have no worries about Motorola. As was stated before, Motorola said they are developing the update for the Photon and it should be out by Q3. I'm not worried about Sprint choosing to EOL the Photon. We are going to get ICS and I'd imagine that even if Sprint choose not to support ICS that Motorola would leak it to the community. You think all these SBFs were by accident?
OG epic still getting updates! I'll leave it at that
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
stonesaber said:
The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree. this post is bogus
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seriously.......i could respond to this but i would restate what everyone has said thus far. I work in S&R and there is a reason I said everything I did. Your still very wrong and its frustrating that your still on this track with multiple employees and contributors telling you , that you are very wrong. I wish i could pull the i-connect and cebu articles to prove you wrong but i cant because thats a violation of policy. You have provided me with alot of entertainment but now im going back to lurking unless im contributing. This whole thread and previous thread make me sad. To loki and other members thanks for your contributions.
Sent from my MB855 using xda premium
Dsparil said:
Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
Sent from my Photon 4G using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sprints the reason you aren't getting it. It is Sprints phone, Motorola just made it for them. Like Foxconn makes iphones for Apple. If Sprint Eol the Photon and ends support also. There will be no official is. Im pretty sure Sprint can sue them if they released an oat update on Sprints network and their tailor made phone they paid to have made.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA Premium App
Hey there, I'm just wondering why there is no idea like this anywhere...
What would be if all owners of a MOTO RAZR will donate some money into a pot on XDA or somewhere else. The first developer who'll get this device unlocked, will get this whole pot...
I mean, for any developer who isn't interested in unlocking the RAZR will perhaps be interested...
Okay, someone is already working on a Bootloader bypass, but in my opinion it would be better to get another competitor, so perhaps the unlocking will get faster.
What do you think about?
How much would you donate for an unlocked bootloader?
I would pay 20€ for an unlocked bootloader...
This...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1519448
send him a pm and ask him why he have not released it.
I dont even think we will see a unlocked bootloader for RAZR unfortunatley
Yeah I know that, so that's the reason why I started this thread.
I've got 20 on it
Sent from my ICE RAZR while my gnex sits on Ice
aikon96 said:
Yeah I know that, so that's the reason why I started this thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes well we have not seen anything or heard anything from him and he is not willing to share his work to other developers so I hope someone else will take the time to unlock the bootloader, unfortunatley that seems a little far-fetched atm.
Let's hope ICS will unlock our BL
I am starting to think that kholk is just a big mouth :-(((
Sent from my XT910 using xda premium
maarawoe said:
I am starting to think that kholk is just a big mouth :-(((
Sent from my XT910 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In my point of view he is. Well he got atleast a free RAZR from droidrzr forum.
well I dont have mind donating if it's for real
You donate for something that exists, not for something that does not.
Sent from my XT910 using xda premium
romdroid. said:
In my point of view he is. Well he got atleast a free RAZR from droidrzr forum.
well I dont have mind donating if it's for real
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly... I was one of those standing on his side and trusting that what he says is real but I am slowly changing my mind... If his unlock is real, I don't understand why he don't want to share his work with the other developers to speed up the development - it simply stinks..
I have no problem to pay him for the working unlock if he is keeping his secret for that reason but at this moment he has a free razr and we have absolutely nothing (except 2 posts in the thread) - no proof, no video, nothing....
Anyway - I am definitely FOR donating money for a developer who unlocks the bootloader if there is no unlock made by motorola after the official ics is released...
I for one will donate $50. Gentleman's word.
Sent from my DROID RAZR using xda premium
Put me in for 20
Sent from my DROIDX using xda premium
Why you guys Don't understand that the Razr's bootloader cannot be unlocked because it is secured by 2 efuses. It just can be bypassed (maybe), or a New unlocked one can be flashed by Moto.
//Sent from Razr//
Can you seriously stop romdroid. you're annoying - trolling every single thread that mentions his name, posting on every single page, as if your opinion will have a greater effect on people if they read it every half an hour. Wow.
MAYBE BEFORE YOU TRY AND SLANDER SOMEONE, LOOK AT THE WORK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE.
Look at how Kholk has already released so much. He leaked the GSM ICS. His team made the Arctic ROM. He made WebtopMOD. Countless kernels for countless devices.
http://pastebin.com/vuVfaQ7U should be a big one. You can see the bypassed bootloader at work.
Maybe you should take a look at mbm who had already done substantial work on the Bionic's kexec.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1466402.html
He also said back in January that progress would be a lot faster if someone else could help him out or he got another phone. Else he'd need a lot of time. Now kholk is helping him out. Do the math.
http://mmlogs.doshaska.net/#milestone-modding/2012-01-30.html
If you can't take a sip of the true tea and put a sock in it until you hear from them, then I suggest you just leave the forums in the mean time and monitor Android Police for a little bit waiting for news. We don't need negative nancies like you pissing the few Devs that actually do work for our phones off. GOOD DAY.
[TSON] said:
Can you seriously stop romdroid. you're annoying - trolling every single thread that mentions his name, posting on every single page, as if your opinion will have a greater effect on people if they read it every half an hour. Wow.
MAYBE BEFORE YOU TRY AND SLANDER SOMEONE, LOOK AT THE WORK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE.
Look at how Kholk has already released so much. He leaked the GSM ICS. His team made the Arctic ROM. He made WebtopMOD. Countless kernels for countless devices.
http://pastebin.com/vuVfaQ7U should be a big one. You can see the bypassed bootloader at work.
Maybe you should take a look at mbm who had already done substantial work on the Bionic's kexec.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1466402.html
He also said back in January that progress would be a lot faster if someone else could help him out or he got another phone. Else he'd need a lot of time. Now kholk is helping him out. Do the math.
http://mmlogs.doshaska.net/#milestone-modding/2012-01-30.html
If you can't take a sip of the true tea and put a sock in it until you hear from them, then I suggest you just leave the forums in the mean time and monitor Android Police for a little bit waiting for news. We don't need negative nancies like you pissing the few Devs that actually do work for our phones off. GOOD DAY.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Take a chill pill and stop buttlicking. I wont belive it untill it's out. I have nothing personal against kholk or any other developer
well it seems that kholk is not cheating us cause in his archives in the eternity project forum there is a kexec_load.ko
http://www.eternityproject.eu/downloads/
But we don't know the instructions to appropiate load another kernel.....
I'm putting $20 on the pot! Let's see this coming!
Sent from my XT910 using XDA
romdroid. said:
Take a chill pill and stop buttlicking. I wont belive it untill it's out. I have nothing personal against kholk or any other developer
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You clearly do have a personal vendetta/are trolling. There's not a thread about this on XDA where you haven't "shared your opinion" at least twice. And used the word buttlicking.
[TSON] said:
You clearly do have a personal vendetta/are trolling. There's not a thread about this on XDA where you haven't "shared your opinion" at least twice. And used the word buttlicking.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
I truly don't get some people on xda..... why do people demand when they don't know how much work it actually takes .... If you're so impatient and wouldn't believe until you see it romdroid and anyone else why don't you go learn some programming then try do what these devs are doing..... or you can donate to them so they can work more as this is not their life(they have jobs,family...etc) They are people afterall like you. It's a hobby for most devs...... If not wait patiently like everyone else and be grateful a site like xda exist with awesome devs and roms, etc..... If not stick to stock and crappy motorola support. You can just have an android phone like most people and not know a site like xda exist or what rooting is..... afterall you made a choice to be on xda so stick to the rules(not all are written)......
My opinion but seriously i think you're the one in need of the chill pill here.....
I can understand the rage and the excitation of waiting for so much time. I've felt the same on my old HD2 times.
Now, as a developer, I can understand why no developer wants to talk with the mass or say anything about his upcoming work.
Guys, I don't wanna talk like a badass, and I'll continue to write my posts like I've always did since I've started here as a normal user (yeah, years ago I was a total n00b): give yourself more selfcontrol. I've learnt from my errors in the past when doing almost the same: do the same!
Instead of hitting the "Thanks" button, I'd like to say that here.
Thanks [TSON] and everyone else trying to calm down the users here: like you said in other posts, the only results the people can have insulting and/or misrespecting the developers are delays or worst.
P.S.: The file linked by cgomezparra isn't for the RAZR!
[TSON] said:
Can you seriously stop romdroid. you're annoying - trolling every single thread that mentions his name, posting on every single page, as if your opinion will have a greater effect on people if they read it every half an hour. Wow.
MAYBE BEFORE YOU TRY AND SLANDER SOMEONE, LOOK AT THE WORK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE.
Look at how Kholk has already released so much. He leaked the GSM ICS. His team made the Arctic ROM. He made WebtopMOD. Countless kernels for countless devices.
http://pastebin.com/vuVfaQ7U should be a big one. You can see the bypassed bootloader at work.
Maybe you should take a look at mbm who had already done substantial work on the Bionic's kexec.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1466402.html
He also said back in January that progress would be a lot faster if someone else could help him out or he got another phone. Else he'd need a lot of time. Now kholk is helping him out. Do the math.
http://mmlogs.doshaska.net/#milestone-modding/2012-01-30.html
If you can't take a sip of the true tea and put a sock in it until you hear from them, then I suggest you just leave the forums in the mean time and monitor Android Police for a little bit waiting for news. We don't need negative nancies like you pissing the few Devs that actually do work for our phones off. GOOD DAY.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Whats wrong with you? I have never pissed anyone, I just said the truth. Nobody from us can unlock the bootloader because it is a hardware problem. It just can be bypassed or Moto can unlock it. The bootloader's signature is encrypted and it would be very difficult to decrypt. But bypassing the bootloader is another thing which is possible.
I have never doubted on the Eternity Project's work, you've just asserted that. If you can't accept the opinion of other people maybe then you should leave the forums and take the “chill pill“ by yourself. Good day!
//Sent from Razr//
Root & Unleash The Power of Your Android ! - $15 (NW)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2012-06-06, 11:22PM MDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can unleash the beast within your phone/tablet
Gain root access, and use the programs that control the raw power of your device.
Flash any ROM you want. Don't like Sense on your HTC or Touchwiz on your Samsung ?
Make the user experience smoother & in most cases increases battery life !
I have been hacking Linux devices for more than 10 years and Android devices since the G1 was introduced.
I also write programs for the Android operating system in my spare time. I guarantee my work 100%
Experience why Android is the most customizable OS for mobile phones, and the most versatile.
Call xxx-xxx-xxx
Text xxx-xxx-xxx
-------
This guys getting paid from most likely our fellow xda devs... i just flagged all his craigslist posting...
HTC One X, HTC One S, Samsung Galaxy, Droid, Motorolla, LG, Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Boost, Cricket.
**Price may vary per device
well, i mean you never know...
but if i were to make a posting like that, i would make it say that i would do it for the users who want it but are afraid to mess up. and then i would basically state all the things that i know how to do and my forum profiles. and what i would charge would depend on how annoyingly painstaking the process is to get them the wanted feature.
in other posting this guy has said hes been hacking android since 4 yrs before g1 was released, i didnt know there was a Droid before the g1/dream
Debel said:
in other posting this guy has said hes been hacking android since 4 yrs before g1 was released, i didnt know there was a Droid before the g1/dream
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
haha there wasnt
That's nothing new...if you are lazy or dumb enough to pay for it then go for it. People offer paid services like that for everything from iPhones to Xboxes..ya know
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA
Spastic909 said:
That's nothing new...if you are lazy or dumb enough to pay for it then go for it. People offer paid services like that for everything from iPhones to Xboxes..ya know
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not about being lazy, it's about the conformity. We all go to the mechanic to fix our cars unless you know how to fix it, obviously. That's just how it works man. I do think that people not giving credit to the devs and all of the people that make this happen is really messed up though.
I don't believe in these kinds of businesses, here in Puerto Rico, there are lots of stores that dedicate themselves to hack iPhones or as they call it "unlock" it. And they charge like 30$!! It's ridiculous! I get disgusted every time I see one
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
eggydrums said:
I don't believe in these kinds of businesses, here in Puerto Rico, there are lots of stores that dedicate themselves to hack iPhones or as they call it "unlock" it. And they charge like 30$!! It's ridiculous! I get disgusted every time I see one
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well its the same as a computer repair store pretty much...
but i dont believe in people stretching the truth so much like the snippet that was posted in the op. i mean if you want to help someone who's afraid to do it themselves, and they are willing to give you a couple bucks why not? now i wouldnt charge $30 for anything... the highest i'd go would be $10 lol
ziggy46 said:
well its the same as a computer repair store pretty much...
but i dont believe in people stretching the truth so much like the snippet that was posted in the op. i mean if you want to help someone who's afraid to do it themselves, and they are willing to give you a couple bucks why not? now i wouldnt charge $30 for anything... the highest i'd go would be $10 lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah I also wouldn't make a big business out of either like the people I mentioned, I'll be honest, puertorricans can be pretty dumb most of the time, lol
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
rubyman94 said:
It's not about being lazy, it's about the conformity. We all go to the mechanic to fix our cars unless you know how to fix it, obviously. That's just how it works man. I do think that people not giving credit to the devs and all of the people that make this happen is really messed up though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nah..I'm sticking with my lazy comment. people don't bother to learn anything anymore. Doesn't take long to read how to root and flash.
the business isn't about giving credit, it's about charging money for something that's free
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA
Welcome to reality!
Thing is I guarantee he is making his monies off people. Happens all the time. Business as usual and living the American dream.....even in different countries....
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using Tapatalk 2
Android SDK on the sidekick lol it just wasn't what it is today
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda premium
Some of you guys must not understand the difference between selling a service and selling a tangible product. You're paying for this guys time and knowledge of rooting android phones. Don't be such a stick in the mud
mrmako777 said:
Some of you guys must not understand the difference between selling a service and selling a tangible product. You're paying for this guys time and knowledge of rooting android phones. Don't be such a stick in the mud
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. I don't see the problem with it. Heck if I could make it into a side business I would. As others have said, they aren't selling the work that others have made, they're charging for their time, knowledge, gas (in a lot of cases they will travel to you) and convenience to root/hack/mod a phone that the owner doesn't want to do themselves. Yeah they can read some forums and do it themselves, but if they're willing to pay for it, it means they're either lazy and don't care or aren't technically inclined.
Some phones really aren't as simple as you would think to root and simply install wifi tether, for example. Downloading drivers, reading the root process for that device, downloading the scripts and tools, copying files to and from the phone, rebooting and the wait adds up into a lot of time and sometimes frustration. A lot of people don't want to deal with it, and if I'm going to learn all of that and sacrifice my time for someone I don't know, I want to be compensated.
I worked for Data Doctors (computer repair business) and while our prices (not set by me) were a little expensive, people gladly paid it because they didn't know how nor could they be bothered to fix the system themselves. That's business.
it took my around 5 hours the other day to figure out how to root, s-off and flash a custom rom on the Amaze. If I had already started my new job I would definitiv have paid the $15 to save me 5 hours of time.
Times are hard and knowledge is power.
If this guy knows what he's doing why not let him do it?
I think it's f*ed up that you flagged just because you're an XDA member who "supposedly" knows better.
He's trying to make some money off of his knowledge.
I mean, just because the information is here doesn't mean everyone who reads it understands it or could implement it.
Some people are not technology inclined.
YouTube has videos on how to do almost everything but just because you watch doesn't mean you'll be able to do it.
What was wrong with him trying to make money from the time and effort he invested into understanding the rooting and unlocking process of a phone?
Honestly..flagging him was a d**k move.
Took my girlfriends mytouch4gslide, he screwed up. Download ruu ....
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA
For me, I want to know how to root and flash my own ROMs. Without knowing how to do things yourself you're stuck with whatever this guy loads on your phone, and isn't that the point of rooting, being able to load custom ROMs.
be proud of your work cause shearing is caring i learned a lot form xda i do get paid to fix my friends phones for them but when i get paid i save it just for XDA DEV who's work i used to do the job it's not stealing it's called Redistributing & dev can always spot there work from a mile away i used to burn movies and sell it on Craigslist i even posted adds on hacking any games on android with gamecih ^_^ wow those were the days i would ask $20 a pop lol 1 day i had over 15 calls lmfao like ice cube said TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY
+ thanks to gay Bush n homo Obama
the economy is Focked
i don't wanna sell drugs / rob people not when i got 2 kids
now i work 13hr shift 6 days a week
---------- Post added at 12:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 PM ----------
nguyendqh said:
Times are hard and knowledge is power.
If this guy knows what he's doing why not let him do it?
I think it's f*ed up that you flagged just because you're an XDA member who "supposedly" knows better.
He's trying to make some money off of his knowledge.
I mean, just because the information is here doesn't mean everyone who reads it understands it or could implement it.
Some people are not technology inclined.
YouTube has videos on how to do almost everything but just because you watch doesn't mean you'll be able to do it.
What was wrong with him trying to make money from the time and effort he invested into understanding the rooting and unlocking process of a phone?
Honestly..flagging him was a d**k move.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
word fam i feels you on this ho ^_^ http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=848723
No xlue
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA
I see other carriers have been able to gain root access. I am wondering if anyone is working in a root?? Would love to donate for a root + wifi tether abilty (heck, even just root). Maybe us Sprint users can get a "bounty" going. I cant be the only one wanting root access and to able to take advantage of thesr amazing Spark speeds.
From what I know the reason sprint doesn't have root with the others is because it was given an update the other carriers never implanted.
Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk
This thread talks about it a bit. Seems to be in the works and we may have it pretty soon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/help/zv4-root-t2834145
There's also this info that just came out today.
http://phandroid.com/2014/08/08/lg-official-bootloader-unlock-solution-coming-soon/
kmshadoze said:
I see other carriers have been able to gain root access. I am wondering if anyone is working in a root?? Would love to donate for a root + wifi tether abilty (heck, even just root). Maybe us Sprint users can get a "bounty" going. I cant be the only one wanting root access and to able to take advantage of thesr amazing Spark speeds.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wrong thread bud
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app
Post questions in the Q&A forum. This one is only for Developers.
Yeah, wrong thread. Got very excited for about 2 minutes
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app
GraphGPT said:
This thread talks about it a bit. Seems to be in the works and we may have it pretty soon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/help/zv4-root-t2834145
There's also this info that just came out today.
http://phandroid.com/2014/08/08/lg-official-bootloader-unlock-solution-coming-soon/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LG won't be unlocking the bootloader anytime soon. Go read the thread in the main G3 forum for the discussion.
MY understanding is that the reason the LS990 doesn't take the same root exploit as the other variants is that the directory structure is different so the vulnerability doesn't exist as it does on the others. Whether that is due to an update (that must have happened at manufacture as it was different on launch day) I can't say. And there may be other reasons, but that is the one I know about.
There is at least one method that is pending release, but the most optimistic date we have is mid-August, and my guess is even later owing to some bad eggs stirring the pot.
The answer to this question, every time somebody starts a thread like this, is WE DON'T KNOW when we'll get root, but we PROBABLY will and all we can do is WAIT. It's not for lack of interest that we're stuck waiting, so pounding on the door won't get it open any sooner.
Final thought: This forum will explode with threads all saying the same thing when a method is released, so you won't miss it.
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app
I heard it was out already, but it's just not being posted here for everyone else. There was a guy with a Craigslist ad in PA that was offering to root ZV4 for $50, but of course you have to meet him as he doesn't do it remotely. Jcase confirmed that he was legit in another thread.
Therefore, someone is being stingy...
Sent from my LG G3 via Tapatalk Pro
haoleflip said:
I heard it was out already, but it's just not being posted here for everyone else. There was a guy with a Craigslist ad in PA that was offering to root ZV4 for $50, but of course you have to meet him as he doesn't do it remotely. Jcase confirmed that he was legit in another thread.
Therefore, someone is being stingy...
Sent from my LG G3 via Tapatalk Pro
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ummm...SilverZero found and emailed him a few weeks ago. At least I think it was him.
haoleflip said:
I heard it was out already, but it's just not being posted here for everyone else. There was a guy with a Craigslist ad in PA that was offering to root ZV4 for $50, but of course you have to meet him as he doesn't do it remotely. Jcase confirmed that he was legit in another thread.
Therefore, someone is being stingy...
Sent from my LG G3 via Tapatalk Pro
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is more to the work of releasing a root then being stingy. If people like you keep trying to turn it around like you are entitled to the work of others, it will only keep you waiting longer. So Stop it!
There are a ton of reasons not to release it even if Root is possible, the actual process of Rooting the device may be a technical process that 90% of users would screw up and end up blaming the creator for.
IM0001 said:
There is more to the work of releasing a root then being stingy. If people like you keep trying to turn it around like you are entitled to the work of others, it will only keep you waiting longer. So Stop it!
There are a ton of reasons not to release it even if Root is possible, the actual process of Rooting the device may be a technical process that 90% of users would screw up and end up blaming the creator for.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First, I don't think I am entitled to anything. I am just making it known that it is available and has been confirmed available, but someone is holding out. Nowhere did I say something like "give it to me now or else" or anything of the sort. I was just making it known and yes, I am waiting patiently like everyone else.
Sent from my LG G3 via Tapatalk Pro
engine95 said:
Ummm...SilverZero found and emailed him a few weeks ago. At least I think it was him.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't find him, somebody else posted about him, I just contacted him to get info. Honestly, I wouldn't pay 50 bucks even if I was local to him, I don't have that kind of money to spend on something like that, but he seemed genuine in his goals and his reasoning.
Anyway, the point is, let's not get at each other about being patient or acting entitled or whatever. We're all in the same boat. We're all waiting patiently (or impatiently, but it makes no difference). We can't sweet talk the devs who have the means and the knowledge, and we certainly can't manipulate or intimidate them into moving any more quickly than they wish. Heck, jcase is in Vegas with his family and was laid up with a fever and a sore throat to boot, and he's still been working (on other devices, but still). He's not just sitting at his desk reading these threads with his fingers tented and an evil grin. It's just not at the top of anybody's to-do list. We just have to trust that it's moving up every day.
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app
SilverZero said:
I didn't find him, somebody else posted about him, I just contacted him to get info. Honestly, I wouldn't pay 50 bucks even if I was local to him, I don't have that kind of money to spend on something like that, but he seemed genuine in his goals and his reasoning.
Anyway, the point is, let's not get at each other about being patient or acting entitled or whatever. We're all in the same boat. We're all waiting patiently (or impatiently, but it makes no difference). We can't sweet talk the devs who have the means and the knowledge, and we certainly can't manipulate or intimidate them into moving any more quickly than they wish. Heck, jcase is in Vegas with his family and was laid up with a fever and a sore throat to boot, and he's still been working (on other devices, but still). He's not just sitting at his desk reading these threads with his fingers tented and an evil grin. It's just not at the top of anybody's to-do list. We just have to trust that it's moving up every day.
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have no problem paying for him to root , he did the work. I am local and hope to hear back as I responded to his ad.
wojo797 said:
I have no problem paying for him to root , he did the work. I am local and hope to hear back as I responded to his ad.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool, be sure to let us know how it goes.
Sent from my LGLS990 using XDA Free mobile app