Good news for everyone, as long as you read this forum you have the same dream of Photon 4G getting an update to ICS.
Well the official report is at Android Central, go ahead and check it out. I cant post url yet sorry, trust me you wont regret it.
Says rolling out in Q3, thats going to seem like forever.
Before the official rollout we would have a rather solid or even official cm9. not excited at all. And Q3, yes it seems like forever...
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Q3 is very far. Should be available Q2 at the very latest.
It makes me wonder just how big the development staffs at the developers are. Especially since the devices are very similar and we are getting a CM9 port, which is ICS, in developer spare time.
Q3 is light years away.
I imagine Sprint will have some other compelling ICS phones well before then.
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It makes me wonder just how big the development staffs at the developers are. Especially since the devices are very similar and we are getting a CM9 port, which is ICS, in developer spare time.
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Haha not as much as it should be. Have you looked at the total number of phones Motorola supports? There is like a gazillion phones. What all manufacturers need to do is limit the amount of phones they produce in such a short period. There is no need to make a Droid Razr when a Droid RAZR MAXX beats the Droid RAZR in every way and has a huge ass battery that can lasts for a long time on 4G LTE.
Basically Motorola is killing their own product by producing a product that is way better 2 months later which is bad business. Motorola should have just released just the RAZR MAXX and not waste any money and resources on a useless RAZR.
Same goes for Samsung and their Galaxy S II lines. AT&T first came out with the SGSII in Oct 2011, then a month later a SGSII Skyrocket with LTE in Nov 2011 and then finally a SGSII HD coming out in April 2012. Why need 3 variants of the same model? To me its just a waste of resources and money.
I just saw this @ Facebook
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
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Q3 is light years away.
I imagine Sprint will have some other compelling ICS phones well before then.
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I'm with you on that one. I will be able to upgrade by then so i'll probably be looking at other ICS devices. GNex would be nice.
ehh by the time q3 comes around, there will be different phones to choose from. have been sitting on my upgrade for over half a year -_-
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
thought this might bring some smiles
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yea by then moto will have some new ics-rockin, LTE slammin device out :/
lookin at around sept on a good note if its not delayed :O
Ya beat me to the punch! I just read it on Engadget
Although 3rd Quarter 2012 ... I will probably have a new phone by then.
This is to respond to post#7:
Agreed with you. They need to re-structure their business. That is how Apple capture the market. Really, they are driving their engineering team "NUTS" by doing it the way they are doing now. They should just have concentrate on a couple model.
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
Jeff_in_LA said:
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
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Er, correct me if I'm wrong. Unless were talking fiscal Q3 2012. Q3 2012 is Jul-Sep 2012. So it could come anytime in that time span.
Jeff_in_LA said:
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
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Now that the government has approved of the Motorola Mobility sale to Google, it is time for Google to shape up Motorola and tell them to stop releasing so many damn devices.
After reading the article below about a Moto exec blaming Google for slow Android updates because of the hardware, it got me thinking that part of the blame has to be on Google and not just the manufacturers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-5...exec-blames-slow-android-updates-on-hardware/
What Google needs to do in future releases is to provide the next Android code base to more than one chipset that is used for the flagship phone and provide the code to the Android partners months in advance. There should be Android code on a TI OMAP chip set, Qualcomm chipset and Nvidia Tegra chipset so that development can go faster. It is ridiculous to have to wait a year for an upgrade that should take longer than 3-4 months.
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Now that the government has approved of the Motorola Mobility sale to Google, it is time for Google to shape up Motorola and tell them to stop releasing so many damn devices.
After reading the article below about a Moto exec blaming Google for slow Android updates because of the hardware, it got me thinking that part of the blame has to be on Google and not just the manufacturers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-5...exec-blames-slow-android-updates-on-hardware/
What Google needs to do in future releases is to provide the next Android code base to more than one chipset that is used for the flagship phone and provide the code to the Android partners months in advance. There should be Android code on a TI OMAP chip set, Qualcomm chipset and Nvidia Tegra chipset so that development can go faster. It is ridiculous to have to wait a year for an upgrade that should take longer than 3-4 months.
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why should google be held to that standard? microsoft doesnt have to make drivers for all the motherboard, graphics cards etc... if that company wants to make a device thats got different hardware and design then its up to them to make sure its up to snuff.
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This is to respond to post#7:
Agreed with you. They need to re-structure their business. That is how Apple capture the market. Really, they are driving their engineering team "NUTS" by doing it the way they are doing now. They should just have concentrate on a couple model.
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Sprint restructure? Really? Thats as funny as a $2.00 crackhead hooker on Martin Luther King Blvd at 4:00AM in South Central LA going to Church the next day and finding the Holy Ghost!
Please, look at the phones they had available before? Lets not mention WiMax! The business model at Sprint is lay back and hide and don't take risk so we don't loose are jobs!! And the funny thing is, Sprint has more money than the other 3 cullular carries COMBINED, they can afford to take risk!!!
If you want, I can tell you about Sprints money!!!! (Or you can just go to the FTC and read about the ENTIRE nextel merger!)
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Sprint restructure? Really? Thats as funny as a $2.00 crackhead hooker on Martin Luther King Blvd at 4:00AM in South Central LA going to Church the next day and finding the Holy Ghost!
Please, look at the phones they had available before? Lets not mention WiMax! The business model at Sprint is lay back and hide and don't take risk so we don't loose are jobs!! And the funny thing is, Sprint has more money than the other 3 cullular carries COMBINED, they can afford to take risk!!!
If you want, I can tell you about Sprints money!!!! (Or you can just go to the FTC and read about the ENTIRE nextel merger!)
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Read the annual reports
Sprint had ($3.5B) net loss in 2010
Verizon had $2.5B net income in 2010
Sprint can't do a lot...
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I'm in a bad mood, it looks like there won't be an official Gingerbread update for my P509. I'm now reconsidering Android in general. Read my rant here if you're interested:
Android Product Life Cycle, it's potential downfall?
Anyway, so what do you think based on specs and features, is Apple in good hands without Steve Jobs? I say yes.
It'd be cool if you could apply an avatar to Siri
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that they know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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It's a wise decision to invest into a higher end phone. Don't expect to get the same treatment when you got a lower end device because sadly things don't work that way. Phones like the Optimus/Galaxy Ace/Mini/Gio are pretty much not even budget phones anymore. They are at the bottom of the bottom. The mid-range phones now are the low end phones now. Things are shifting and it would be a waste of time for them to get in the trouble of working on a phone that is obsolete.
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2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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I've install different roms, on my Optimus T and i have the same issues with all of them, the MMS come to small and i refuse to use the GO sms app so i'm stuck on stock! was really hopping on the Gingerbread version!
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for. TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for.
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You clearly didn't read the link in my first post did you? It's an OS and updates include security patches. These are necessary not optional! IMO my 2 year contract has been breached by TMO LG or Google (let the lawyers figure it out)
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TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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Amen but it's not just this phone it's ALOT of them.
no, thanks
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Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You're making me laugh.
Let me see, you're comparing Android on a $200 max phone with an iPhone? A low-end phone will never provide the real Android experience.
I was looking at my O1 and I said "I think I'll buy a better droid next time, this one is just offering me a small taste of what Android can do". So I did; I bought a better, dual-core, 4.3" phone. Trust me, daily use of Android on a premium phone can't be compared to daily use on a cheap one.
So don't compare your O1 to an iPhone. Try and compare a GS2, Arc S, Sensation, Droid Bionic, Nexus etc to an iPhone and then see if the iPhone's really worth it.
might get it
or stick to android
off course buy high end android phone
such like not sgs 2, sensation / sensation xe / evo 3d and other
22VIN...
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are
RIGHT!
I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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22VIN...
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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Hardware and Software are different.
What's so hard to understand about wanting a well defined Product LifeCycle?
Buy a $300 Windows Home Laptop and buy a $2000 Windows Professional despktop. The SOFTWARE Product Lifecycle is the same.
No wonder Google is dragging it's feet with regards to this fragmentation. It's customers have been brainwashed. I thought Android users were supposed to be the smart ones... do yourselves a favor and THINK.
P.S. a iPhone 4S is $99 with contract in the US.
**EDIT**
I went down to the Apple Store this morning and played with one... It's pretty nice. I'm not getting one, I'm just pissed at Google (we all should be).
My theory is Sprint is **** blocking HTC from pushing it forward. The reason behind this is simple. I believe that they are trying to Push the Nexus Prime with ICS for a month or two then we will get it. Specs to a layman shopper these phones are close to one another (dual core, ram, ect) I know for us here they are not but the average Joe they are. Sprint pays a lot for new phones and the Evo 3D is near EOL so they'd rather have people looking at the new shiny then an old one. Just my humble two cents for what it's worth....
No i am not trolling and I own a 3D . I also don't know when EOL is but this June they'll have had it for a year so it's closer now then the PRIME is by almost a year.
You would actually think sprint would want to sell more of the 3d's right now, since they have a lot of inventory left. And if they don't sell them now at 150 or 200 bucks, they will have to discount them to 99 bucks or lower to get rid of remaining stock.
They did that to the EVO lol gave it gingerbread and few months later it went out the window. I don't think Sprint is the problem think HTC is tryin to make it flawless maybe
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True sitlet but they have more money right now tied up in the nexus prime order then they do the remaining Evo's so if they want to recoup that fast they'd hold any phones getting ICS and have just the Prime for a month or two ... then update the other stock as well as introduce new phones. .... Again just my two cents. Thanks for you input though :
True Reaper that may be but HTC normally is pretty good at pushing updates or at least they were for the Hero for the first year as well as the og Evo. I'd rather blame Sprint cause HTC really is trying to get it's s**t together for it's user base and they've had ICS to play with now for what... 5 or 6 months? Cause the developers get it before they push it to phones or release the source....
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And if they don't sell them now at 150 or 200 bucks, they will have to discount them to 99 bucks or lower to get rid of remaining stock.
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$50 at Target, still big sellers here
I agree, given Sprint's track record with Eclair on the Hero and GB on the EVO and Shift, its gonna be a long spring for us here
HTC told us we would have ICS in the beginning of the year. I asked on Facebook why the ICS update has been posponed to "later in the year" instead of having it at "the beginning of the year", the response I got was that "nothing has been delayed" and then a link to their note on Facebook.
Here they said "beginning of the year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc-u...d-40-updates-for-htc-handsets/300698153293006
Here they say "later this year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/10150762287733084
Like I said, the response by HTC to my wall post was that "nothing has been delayed", so either we will get it before June, or we were lied to.
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HTC told us we would have ICS in the beginning of the year. I asked on Facebook why the ICS update has been posponed to "later in the year" instead of having it at "the beginning of the year", the response I got was that "nothing has been delayed" and then a link to their note on Facebook.
Here they said "beginning of the year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc-u...d-40-updates-for-htc-handsets/300698153293006
Here they say "later this year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/10150762287733084
Like I said, the response by HTC to my wall post was that "nothing has been delayed", so either we will get it before June, or we were lied to.
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Actually, if it isn't before the end of March, we were lied to. To me, "early" implies within the first three months of the year, but rest assured my friend, you guys with the GSM 3d will most certainly receive your ISC update LONG before we CDMA/Sprint users get ours.
Yeah, radioshack sold me mine for $100. That $200 pricing is already out the window.
I am betting they are looking for a way to force HBOOT 1.5 in order to use ICS. They probably have a release already ready... but they are hoping to add that hook. If too much time goes by, the public pressure will force them to release sooner than they want.
My prediction about the original HBOOT unlock delay was spot on, even though people called me crazy. So... don't doubt me this time.
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I am betting they are looking for a way to force HBOOT 1.5 in order to use ICS. They probably have a release already ready... but they are hoping to add that hook. If too much time goes by, the public pressure will force them to release sooner than they want.
My prediction about the original HBOOT unlock delay was spot on, even though people called me crazy. So... don't doubt me this time.
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public pressure?!?! HA
like "they" give a crap about "you".
There's no contract written here, no obligation, no reason at all to update us any faster than "they" like.
You bought what you bought, and thats the end of "their" obligation.
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public pressure?!?! HA
like "they" give a crap about "you".
There's no contract written here, no obligation, no reason at all to update us any faster than "they" like.
You bought what you bought, and thats the end of "their" obligation.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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Yes, but in the same regard, that's their only time frame. It doesn't have to be this month or the next, or the one after that, as long as it's within the year.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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I believe its 18 months..But still,jellybean will be out by the time month 18 comes for us 3D users.
I don't think we will see ICS until August-September. But it wont matter to me because I'm using my wife's upgrade in July for what ever is out or I just may leave Sprint because I'm tired of a sub par network.
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Please.
Hows those up-to-date updates working out for ya?
http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/updates-or-lack-thereof-on-the-android-update-alliance/
Where or what is the alleged hammer when one of these manufacturers gives Goog the finger on updates? Don't forget, they are pumping these things out of China.
It's not HTC fault guys. It's the fat kid he ran off with our ICS Sorry I couldn't help it.
I believe we will see it soon. Whip some nice roms up from it ...
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HTC said that evo 3d will come out later this year and the sensation series will be by the end of march, so we will not have been lied to.
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I'm telling you guys. June or later. I've been calling it for a while.
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I'm telling you guys. June or later. I've been calling it for a while.
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If your right, then we as a community need to voice the opinion to Sprint directly about their poor choice in holding this back for us....
In all honesty the more I think about it a new phone coming out should not delay an update to an older one. Even if they were updating the 3D to Sense 4.0 the pure hardware alone of the new HTC device will be leaps ahead of ours and really an update to our device wouldn't delay or deter anyone from buying the new device anymore than if it wasn't out. If anything the publicity of Sprint pushing manufacturers to roll out OTA's faster would benefit them more...
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My theory is Sprint is **** blocking HTC from pushing it forward. The reason behind this is simple. I believe that they are trying to Push the Nexus Prime with ICS for a month or two then we will get it. Specs to a layman shopper these phones are close to one another (dual core, ram, ect) I know for us here they are not but the average Joe they are. Sprint pays a lot for new phones and the Evo 3D is near EOL so they'd rather have people looking at the new shiny then an old one. Just my humble two cents for what it's worth....
No i am not trolling and I own a 3D . I also don't know when EOL is but this June they'll have had it for a year so it's closer now then the PRIME is by almost a year.
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I don't think the Nexus has anything to do with it. I believe it's all Sprint and what phone they consider their flagship device. When the Evo 4g came out it got babyed with a lot of software upgrades while the Epic 4g just sat and rot. Now you have the Epic 4G Touch as the flagship this time around and its been receiving quite a few updates. This includes some leaked ics builds. So I have reason to believe whatever is Sprints flagship device is the device Sprint will push manufacturers to develop for..
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looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
Aquos1 said:
I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
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the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
I called Motorola this morning regarding ICS spoke to them for a while got transfered etc, anyways the lady I spoke to last said the update did not get cancelled however for all I know she could have just told me that so I would shut up. She did also say she sent out a message to the delevopers regarding my concern. I told her about how Im not the only one with this issue and how theres more of us that have been waiting and we are about to give up hope. Do me a favor call them up 1-800-734-5870 lets jam their lines with our concern and HOPEFULLY they will actually start taking care of their customers.
I sent this email on the support page. I don't know if it will help any, but I guess it's worth a shot.
To Whom It May Concern,
My name is xxxxxxxxxx. I am a xx year old college student in xxxxxxx. My whole family (myself, my mother and father, and my sister) are on the same plan with Sprint. When our contract was up for renewal in the spring of 2012, I was the one who did all the research on phones for all of us to upgrade to. I extensively researched all of the options that Sprint offered at the time.
The biggest criterion that needed to be met was that the phone would be upgraded to Android 4.0 at least eventually. I wound up narrowing it down to the two options of the Motorola Photon 4g and the Samsung Epic 4g touch. When we got to the store to physically see the phones, I was still on the fence. What ended up tipping me over to the Photon side was the Sprint employees. The employees at Sprint recommended the Photon and my whole family decided to go with this phone. The phone is an excellent piece of technology and I have not regretted this decision in most regards.
I have, however, regretted the decision in one big way. Today I read the XDA Developers forums for the Photon 4g and was informed that the Photon was not going to get an upgrade. And I would like to make it known that this is NOT acceptable.
My family and I bought this phone on the premise that it would be getting Android 4.0. Were it not for this promise that was made by YOU, Motorola Mobility, this phone would not have even been in contention, and you would have lost out on a sale of 4 phones. But, as it was, the phone was to be updated to ICS.
But you reneged on that promise today. It turns out you lied to the masses and likely got many people to buy your phones because they met the criterion of an upgrade to ICS. You didn't deliver a full product.
Consider the following scenario: You buy a new car. This new car includes a wonderful warranty that protects you of any manufacturer defects for a certain period of time. A month after you drive the car off the lot, it breaks down and you need that warranty. But the company refuses to pay for your car to be fixed. The company did not deliver a full product that included all the promises made about it. This would NEVER be acceptable. But yet, it is somehow acceptable for you to go back on your promise to upgrade our phones to ICS.
There is still a large community of people who use the Photon 4G and are loyal to the phone. They all want ICS. But it's not coming.
In the future, my family and I will take these empty promises into consideration when getting new phones. It will certainly negatively affect the chances of us EVER purchasing a Motorola phone again.
Thanks,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello friends!
This really sucks!!
6 months before, when I've bought Photon, Motorola officially stated that "Motorola Photon MB855 will get ICS update in Q3 2012", few months later they wrote that "ICS update will be ready in Q4", and now they simply cancelled rollout!
What kind of liars they are??
This is not just UNFAIR, this is FRAUD!
I've waited for so long, and now they say that I'm a fool!! And not me, also lots of people who use Photons and Atrixes!!
Dammit!
What can we do??
Ramonsterator said:
What can we do??
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Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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John Kotches said:
Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
Ramonsterator said:
Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
This sucks. I'm stuck with this POS phone that won't get upgraded because the insurance company didn't have any more of my Nexus S4g in stock. My S4g was an older phone and still got JB. How the hell can they expect people to continue to buy their products when they just throw the owner's under the bus.
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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Ramonsterator said:
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
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It was EOL'd six months after it was released. Not happy with it but we were lucky to get any updates after January.
fatalstripes said:
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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its going to be difficult to do a class action lawsuit in the U.S. due to limits imposed by the Supreme Court. That was really one of the few ways of litigation to get the attention of companies. Its just too expensive for an individual consumer to take on a large company in anything other than small claims court.
On the other-hand, having Motorola defend a couple thousand small claims cases (some of which cannot be done by attorneys) will quickly become more expensive for them than the original ICS rollout.
It would be difficult to show that MM broke any contract by not providing ICS (dont think there are any guarantees for a software update), but it should be easy to prove that they materially harmed consumers with the 2.3.5 update from 2.3.4 that locked bootloaders.
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
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F'ing this, so hard. I'm talking Long Dong Silver on a t-shirt of blow hard. I'm talking Stallone in Rambo hard. I'm talking Hard Knock Life Volume 1, 2 and 3. I'm talking Hard. I hate Motorola, and I hope someone farts in the office and its unbearable.
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
Didnt google state that all android devices get updates including operating system updates for 2 yrs or did i miss read that?
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dorelse said:
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
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Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
That doesnt surprise me
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Lokifish Marz said:
Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
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http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
As you can see the official google blog post is May 10, 2011.
Photon was officially released July 31, 2011 and thus would have qualified as a "new device" at the time of the May 10, 2011 official blogpost.
Other than the I/O announcement and press release you linked there's nothing from any of the "Update Alliance" partners after that. Find anything dated 2012.
after the I/O I dont think it was officially mentioned again.
Note how they say they'll do it if the "hardware allows." We know it will work but they'll use that as some copout!
If MOTO is reading about our rage on no ICS, they will count how many people are disappointed. Based on the number of reply in multiple threads here, it appears only few of us are fuming.
In the age of twitter, facebook and google+, we should be able to force Moto to treat the customers with respect and atleast keep their promise !
but .. numbers count.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I guess we can now close the other ICS update related threads...
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Great.. What pricks.
This is such bs, from ICS in Q3, to Q4 to not at all. Such a shame that they screwed us over like this
DOH! Oh well...I love our developers anyway
kdog350 said:
This is such bs, from ICS in Q3, to Q4 to not at all. Such a shame that they screwed us over like this
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Yep, apparently development moves backwards over at motorola.
Sure does stink
Atrix 4G, Photon 4G and Electrify will not receive Ice Cream Sandwich, says Motorola http://bit.ly/QalFQx
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I'm really over all this upgrade lottery bs. My wife & the kids all want iPhones, so be it...at least they'll get an upgrade (or 2). I'll either go Nexus or Nokia 920...I'm so over this...
Anyone want a Photon & Atrix (modded) Lapdock. I'll likely activate my Pre again.
Anyone else hear that sound?
It's the sound of me not buying a Motorola device ever again...
Motorola never Again! #MotoFail #MotoNeverAgain #MotoNoMore
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dorelse said:
I'm really over all this upgrade lottery bs. My wife & the kids all want iPhones, so be it...at least they'll get an upgrade (or 2). I'll either go Nexus or Nokia 920...I'm so over this...
Anyone want a Photon & Atrix (modded) Lapdock. I'll likely activate my Pre again.
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If you have an unlocked bootloader I'd love your photon lol.
Damn, I actually wanted to believe "Further Plans Coming Soon" was a turning point.........
it's funny. i was an early webOS palm pre supporter back in 2009. and when they announced that the pre wouldn't get webOS 2.0 i was FUMING. and gave up on webOS entirely. along comes my 2011 upgrade and I have 3 choices...the evo 3D that everyone was kind of salty on on account of the 3D being a gimicky and the camera being weak...the galaxy SII when samsung was basically just another android handset oem, amidst tons of critisism about the original galaxy s, especially on sprint where updates were delayed and people complained about lack of support....and the photon 4g.
so, given the issues with the evo3d and the galaxy sii's predecessor, i thought it best to go with the photon. particulary given the anticipated google takeover.
and here we are, on the cusp of october 2012 and the evo 3D and the epic 4g touch BOTH have BEEN had ICS.
what a disaster. i'm done with motorola. DONE
I agree moto really has made a lot of people mad. They are going to lose a bunch of customers. Including my self.
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cleverly locked the boot loaders and abandoned the phones. I knew it when they massively shipped out photons to third world counties.
Maybe google trying to destroy the company! who knows!
portman said:
cleverly locked the boot loaders and abandoned the phones. I knew it when they massively shipped out photons to third world counties.
Maybe google trying to destroy the company! who knows!
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Maybe.
They will burn it to rise it from ashes and produce only one top Nexus device.
With ICS update, it was obvious.
Keep thinking Motorola will get better. They have sucked for years and will continue to suck. Time to get on ebay and find me a new phone that's not made by Motorola.
F*** YOU MOTOROLA...
i PLEDGE NOT/NEVER TO BUY ANY MOTOROLA PHONE IN FUTURE...
LET'S CREATE A THREAD AT MOTOROLA FORUM AND EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS/EXPECTATIONS...
JOIN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT THEY WILL COME TO KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO LOOSE A GOOD NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS...
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE SAY?
Now everybody repeat after me: "I won't buy an Android device without Nexus branding anymore".
No, I am going to buy Xperia T soon.
haha. Sony is doing well with updates now. But I think design is a step backward from Xperia S.