My theory is Sprint is **** blocking HTC from pushing it forward. The reason behind this is simple. I believe that they are trying to Push the Nexus Prime with ICS for a month or two then we will get it. Specs to a layman shopper these phones are close to one another (dual core, ram, ect) I know for us here they are not but the average Joe they are. Sprint pays a lot for new phones and the Evo 3D is near EOL so they'd rather have people looking at the new shiny then an old one. Just my humble two cents for what it's worth....
No i am not trolling and I own a 3D . I also don't know when EOL is but this June they'll have had it for a year so it's closer now then the PRIME is by almost a year.
You would actually think sprint would want to sell more of the 3d's right now, since they have a lot of inventory left. And if they don't sell them now at 150 or 200 bucks, they will have to discount them to 99 bucks or lower to get rid of remaining stock.
They did that to the EVO lol gave it gingerbread and few months later it went out the window. I don't think Sprint is the problem think HTC is tryin to make it flawless maybe
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True sitlet but they have more money right now tied up in the nexus prime order then they do the remaining Evo's so if they want to recoup that fast they'd hold any phones getting ICS and have just the Prime for a month or two ... then update the other stock as well as introduce new phones. .... Again just my two cents. Thanks for you input though :
True Reaper that may be but HTC normally is pretty good at pushing updates or at least they were for the Hero for the first year as well as the og Evo. I'd rather blame Sprint cause HTC really is trying to get it's s**t together for it's user base and they've had ICS to play with now for what... 5 or 6 months? Cause the developers get it before they push it to phones or release the source....
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$50 at Target, still big sellers here
I agree, given Sprint's track record with Eclair on the Hero and GB on the EVO and Shift, its gonna be a long spring for us here
HTC told us we would have ICS in the beginning of the year. I asked on Facebook why the ICS update has been posponed to "later in the year" instead of having it at "the beginning of the year", the response I got was that "nothing has been delayed" and then a link to their note on Facebook.
Here they said "beginning of the year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc-u...d-40-updates-for-htc-handsets/300698153293006
Here they say "later this year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/10150762287733084
Like I said, the response by HTC to my wall post was that "nothing has been delayed", so either we will get it before June, or we were lied to.
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HTC told us we would have ICS in the beginning of the year. I asked on Facebook why the ICS update has been posponed to "later in the year" instead of having it at "the beginning of the year", the response I got was that "nothing has been delayed" and then a link to their note on Facebook.
Here they said "beginning of the year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc-u...d-40-updates-for-htc-handsets/300698153293006
Here they say "later this year"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/10150762287733084
Like I said, the response by HTC to my wall post was that "nothing has been delayed", so either we will get it before June, or we were lied to.
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Actually, if it isn't before the end of March, we were lied to. To me, "early" implies within the first three months of the year, but rest assured my friend, you guys with the GSM 3d will most certainly receive your ISC update LONG before we CDMA/Sprint users get ours.
Yeah, radioshack sold me mine for $100. That $200 pricing is already out the window.
I am betting they are looking for a way to force HBOOT 1.5 in order to use ICS. They probably have a release already ready... but they are hoping to add that hook. If too much time goes by, the public pressure will force them to release sooner than they want.
My prediction about the original HBOOT unlock delay was spot on, even though people called me crazy. So... don't doubt me this time.
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I am betting they are looking for a way to force HBOOT 1.5 in order to use ICS. They probably have a release already ready... but they are hoping to add that hook. If too much time goes by, the public pressure will force them to release sooner than they want.
My prediction about the original HBOOT unlock delay was spot on, even though people called me crazy. So... don't doubt me this time.
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public pressure?!?! HA
like "they" give a crap about "you".
There's no contract written here, no obligation, no reason at all to update us any faster than "they" like.
You bought what you bought, and thats the end of "their" obligation.
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public pressure?!?! HA
like "they" give a crap about "you".
There's no contract written here, no obligation, no reason at all to update us any faster than "they" like.
You bought what you bought, and thats the end of "their" obligation.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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Yes, but in the same regard, that's their only time frame. It doesn't have to be this month or the next, or the one after that, as long as it's within the year.
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Actually, Google requires manufacturers to keep phones up to date with Android versions for 2 years so HTC's obligation to "us" has not ended for another year.
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I believe its 18 months..But still,jellybean will be out by the time month 18 comes for us 3D users.
I don't think we will see ICS until August-September. But it wont matter to me because I'm using my wife's upgrade in July for what ever is out or I just may leave Sprint because I'm tired of a sub par network.
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Please.
Hows those up-to-date updates working out for ya?
http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/updates-or-lack-thereof-on-the-android-update-alliance/
Where or what is the alleged hammer when one of these manufacturers gives Goog the finger on updates? Don't forget, they are pumping these things out of China.
It's not HTC fault guys. It's the fat kid he ran off with our ICS Sorry I couldn't help it.
I believe we will see it soon. Whip some nice roms up from it ...
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HTC said that evo 3d will come out later this year and the sensation series will be by the end of march, so we will not have been lied to.
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I'm telling you guys. June or later. I've been calling it for a while.
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I'm telling you guys. June or later. I've been calling it for a while.
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If your right, then we as a community need to voice the opinion to Sprint directly about their poor choice in holding this back for us....
In all honesty the more I think about it a new phone coming out should not delay an update to an older one. Even if they were updating the 3D to Sense 4.0 the pure hardware alone of the new HTC device will be leaps ahead of ours and really an update to our device wouldn't delay or deter anyone from buying the new device anymore than if it wasn't out. If anything the publicity of Sprint pushing manufacturers to roll out OTA's faster would benefit them more...
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My theory is Sprint is **** blocking HTC from pushing it forward. The reason behind this is simple. I believe that they are trying to Push the Nexus Prime with ICS for a month or two then we will get it. Specs to a layman shopper these phones are close to one another (dual core, ram, ect) I know for us here they are not but the average Joe they are. Sprint pays a lot for new phones and the Evo 3D is near EOL so they'd rather have people looking at the new shiny then an old one. Just my humble two cents for what it's worth....
No i am not trolling and I own a 3D . I also don't know when EOL is but this June they'll have had it for a year so it's closer now then the PRIME is by almost a year.
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I don't think the Nexus has anything to do with it. I believe it's all Sprint and what phone they consider their flagship device. When the Evo 4g came out it got babyed with a lot of software upgrades while the Epic 4g just sat and rot. Now you have the Epic 4G Touch as the flagship this time around and its been receiving quite a few updates. This includes some leaked ics builds. So I have reason to believe whatever is Sprints flagship device is the device Sprint will push manufacturers to develop for..
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I know that this question has been asked a hundred times but when somebody gets concrete evidence please post here . As my upgrade date is feb 10 so if its the 14th that would be pretty sick! Oh yeah, and if I hear another "this is just a EVO comment " im going to throw you off a bridge lol. Last time ill say this. It has the new gen. Snapdragon(1st generation were awesome, I think my dinc is faster than my x, or fascinate.) Vastly improved GPU that is about on the same level as the galaxy s phones. Ands let's not forget it has 768mb of RAM either. Look forward to seeing the development thread in this grow to be as good as the EVO or dinc!
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I know that this question has been asked a hundred times but when somebody gets concrete evidence please post here . As my upgrade date is feb 10 so if its the 14th that would be pretty sick! Oh yeah, and if I hear another "this is just a EVO comment " im going to throw you off a bridge lol. Last time ill say this. It has the new gen. Snapdragon(1st generation were awesome, I think my dinc is faster than my x, or fascinate.) Vastly improved GPU that is about on the same level as the galaxy s phones. Ands let's not forget it has 768mb of RAM either. Look forward to seeing the development thread in this grow to be as good as the EVO or dinc!
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Great post! I agree with everything you just said.
Mods, feel free sticky this thread so we can get a release date asap
The [RUMOR] is february 14th and I pray that's true as my upgrade is due so can't wait. Cone on thunderbolt. I am lucky enough to be in one of the up and coming LTE areas. This phonebwill def. Do me til I can get bionic. Only if the bootmoadef is unlo led tho. And that's the only way I will get it
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The [RUMOR] is february 14th and I pray that's true as my upgrade is due so can't wait. Cone on thunderbolt. I am lucky enough to be in one of the up and coming LTE areas. This phonebwill def. Do me til I can get bionic. Only if the bootmoadef is unlo led tho. And that's the only way I will get it
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I sure hope it's the 14th.
From Me
I watold they are going go drop it before the iPhone. I sure hope so.
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Somebody lease tell me this comes out the feb. 14th date. My wife wants me to use my upgrade to get her an iPhone and if this phone cones out around the same time this would give me the perfect reason not to buy it!!!
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I am hoping for February as well
I have emailed Orange (UK) asking if they will stock it and if so then when. Awaiting a reply will post back here if I get one.
As everyday passes I can't wait fothis phone. While not dual cor it has the beat single core processor that one can ask for and as well sense ui. Not to mention 768mb of RAM, I can live without dual core. Just release this ***** already u mutha truckers!!!
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I have seen several people say that it will lain h on the 14th. Holding my breath that this ia true. Can't wait to dump this lo led bootloader on my x, and I would use my dinc but screen to small im 6'5 250 and the battery life sucks.
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Droid life has just confirmed a Feb 24th launch of this phone so that should be the day we are expecting a release. I have to say I was hoping for sooner since my upgrade date is the 10th and my wifee is begging me tobget her the iPhone. Suck.
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Looks like I'll be shelling out $600. I won't have an upgrade available and I'd rather not extend my contract even if I did. They said the price point is going to be $249 for a 2-year contract, $349 for a 1-year contract and $599 full retail.
Here's an interesting article I read from Android Central. States that Best Buy might possibly have the TB on Feb 14th.
http://www.androidcentral.com/scree...-point-feb-14-best-buy-launch-htc-thunderbolt
Wait.......did anyone read this?
From AndroidCentral Forums:
My local Verizon Wireless store said tonight, 1/22/11, that the HTC Thunderbolt was going on sale Feb. 11th; one day after the iPhone for Verizon! The staff (all 5 of the people working who have never mislead my in the past 4 years) said that just this morning they had a meeting in which they received this information! A new excitement is inside me once again
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Though take it with a grain of salt too, a lot more has come out since the 22nd.
Hmm, interesting. 2 people on my line are upgrading to the Iphone and they both recieved offers to "reserve" their Iphones on Feb 3rd. I guess they can release the Tbolt on that day too because there are barely going to be any Iphones in the stores, since most will be sold out...
Not seeing how the Thunderbolt will release within two weeks of the iPhone. The Thunder will mainly get missed by the media and a lot of consumers, due to the media's iPhone feevah'. Seems Thunder needs space for its own limelight.
Also needs an ad campaign with ACDCs Thunderstuck
Rushless, agreed with your comment. But, the iPhone and android phones are for two different types of people. The iPhone will sell primarily to the people who already have them or have been waiting on them, the people who like android will get the bolt. The people who no nothing, about either, will go with the bolt, because its bigger and prettier, and has "the neat windshield wipers when it rains" I've heard it stated this way when I sold my dinc to a lady a couple of weeks back.
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Agreed, ksiz, but the media and their coverage helps sales too. To soon release around iPhone means minimal media coverage of an Android device. Sad but true.
You have to put into consideration that the iPhone 4 isn't new either. Nothing groundbreaking here than merely another carrier picking up the same model already offered on AT&T. The iPhone publicity horse has been beat to death for years now. I overheard a 63 year old lady at the mall the other night talking about the iPhone coming to Verizon, and how she was picking one up for her granddaughter. The reason I know she's 63 is because she's my neighbor and I was carefully trying to avoid her at all cost, when you get her going she can't stop talking.
OK i have a question will i have to pay anything if its my upgrade time?
Are they even a credible site for mobile news?
Could that be the reason for the "delay" if there even was a delay..
Don't cry about putting this another thread or whine about another bootloader thread being made I'm not gonna dig up a old thread to post this.
If this is old new let it die with the multiple duplicate threads by not commenting or posting.
http://www.mobilestorm.co.uk/news/2...nokia-boss-dismisses-microsoft-takeover-talk/
HTC also sends phone specs and documents to the FCC
Looks like a sail is on the horizon where saved!
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It's.the.first I heard of it actually happening..it eludes that HTC had to backtrack..seems to be the reason for the.delay good find
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It's.the.first I heard of it actually happening..it eludes that HTC had to backtrack..seems to be the reason for the.delay good find
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Yeah I checked before posting but since this was posted today I figured it would be worth its own thread
And yeah first time I herd the word "backtrack" on the evo 3d
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"Back tracking" to remove the lock on the bootloader was my suspicion the whole time. Begs the question, why not provide an OTA update to unlock it? This is going to be the longest 3 weeks ever
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"Back tracking" to remove the lock on the bootloader was my suspicion the whole time. Begs the question, why not provide an OTA update to unlock it? This is going to be the longest 3 weeks ever
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I was thinking it would be a OTA updated but I guess they literally unboxed hundreds of thousands of phones to do what we wanted them to do...
We win the bootloader battle but lose to the waiting game ..
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Idk, I have a hard time believing they unboxed every phone to update its bootloader, but I guess we will know when our phones arrive if that had been the case, I think they'll be locked when we get them... we're talking millions of phones here.
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Idk, I have a hard time believing they unboxed every phone to update its bootloader, but I guess we will know when our phones arrive if that had been the case, I think they'll be locked when we get them... we're talking millions of phones here.
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Not millions they only make so many at first...
Then after there stock runs low they just order more to be made
I had 3 g2x's in a weeks time all with manufactured dates no later than a week old...
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Not millions they only make so many at first...
Then after there stock runs low they just order more to be made
I had 3 g2x's in a weeks time all with manufactured dates no later than a week old...
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hmm, well its a lot of phones... its not like its just a 5,000 phones (which is a lot all in itself)
and as far as dates go, that **** can get silly, the galaxy s vibrant was a bit screwed up for some people, volume rocker wasn't helping us get to recovery like it was supposed too.. and there was a whole big date time of frame where people thought it was the issue, and the dates were really odd.. def more than a week or two old before they were received.
Yeah I'm not saying the manufactured dates are all correct I also remember the vibrant button recovery problem
But if it was suppose to launch the 4th of June and now the 24th its not that unreasonably for them to do it...
When I worked at a plastic factory and a company sent back " bad or faulty" parts we would rework them in days where talking millions of parts...
They have the unlock codes and thousands of employees to do it... honestly in a 12 hour shift a single person could do a few thousand phones alone. Now times that by a thousand employees and a few weeks its done in no time
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I would highly doubt that is the reason for the delay and to be honest, no one said the EVO 3d was delayed except for people posting bogus dates on this site.
It is not like Sprint said the EVO 3d is getting released on June 4th. It was all speculation that it was being released the same day as the original EVO and I have yet to see anything from Sprint that says otherwise.
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I would highly doubt that is the reason for the delay and to be honest, no one said the EVO 3d was delayed except for people posting bogus dates on this site.
It is not like Sprint said the EVO 3d is getting released on June 4th. It was all speculation that it was being released the same day as the original EVO and I have yet to see anything from Sprint that says otherwise.
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That's why I said IF there was ever a delay...
But the phone is coming soon
HTC just released the phone to the FCC
http://m.pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-drops-a-boatload-of-fcc-docs
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The word "backtracked" meant they back tracked on policy. Before open bootloaders, then locked bootloaders, backtracked to open It will be locked when released, a OTA will fix it OR a "leak". Perhaps it may be unlocked when released, due to the real release date, when ever that is. It was never coming on June 4th like everyone hoped/dreamed. I mean it is just now getting sent to the FCC, you think they delayed sending off to the FCC for a bootloader? lol
Reality Sucks!
Just because they "back tracked" on the e3d DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE UNBOXING ALL THOSE PHONES. It very well could mean they backtracked their thought process and it'll still be OTA. because it also states the "back tracking effect future phones. So I doubt for fun they are going to lock those bootloaders, package them and then un box them. just to unlock the boot loader. It didn't say that was the cause of the phone not being out or even a delay.
Folks this phone is coming when it's coming. I doubt there has even been so much as a delay. people really need to settle down. Its coming. HTC said so Sprint said so, and the FCC has paper work.
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Just because they "back tracked" on the e3d DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE UNBOXING ALL THOSE PHONES. It very well could mean they backtracked their thought process and it'll still be OTA. because it also states the "back tracking effect future phones. So I doubt for fun they are going to lock those bootloaders, package them and then un box them. just to unlock the boot loader. It didn't say that was the cause of the phone not being out or even a delay.
Folks this phone is coming when it's coming. I doubt there has even been so much as a delay. people really need to settle down. Its coming. HTC said so Sprint said so, and the FCC has paper work.
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how do we know these phones were all boxed to begin with? more more speculation. Everywhere here just assumes they were. I doubt they box them up 5 weeks ahead of time just to sit around. HTC Sprint want this out as soon as possible (hopefully while making sure its a finished product) so they can start to pay for the R&D
God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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how do we know these phones were all boxed to begin with? more more speculation. Everywhere here just assumes they were. I doubt they box them up 5 weeks ahead of time just to sit around. HTC Sprint want this out as soon as possible (hopefully while making sure its a finished product) so they can start to pay for the R&D
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thats pretty much my point. WE KNOW NOTHING. but a lot of people around here assumes that they are 4 months delayed boxed and shrink wrapped with their names on it.
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God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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Heck yes, with my epic i never go in the general section, now i remember why.
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God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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Werd....
For a mobile blog they sure are behind with the news cycle...
Like others have said, there is NOTHING in this article that hasn't already been previously stated. The cost to HTC to fully backtrack the hardware already in the channel and NOT issue the update via OTA would be a joke.
Everybody just needs to chill out, be cool. We're all gonna be a bunch of Fonzies here.
BTW, the HTC EVO 3D is in the suitcase. Ringo gets greedy like some of us on this board, doesn't know how to be cool. Then we get into these stalemates.
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thats pretty much my point. WE KNOW NOTHING. but a lot of people around here assumes that they are 4 months delayed boxed and shrink wrapped with their names on it.
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Like I said before I know phones are not boxed 3 months before ... i just picked up a brand new white evo with a manufactured date of 1/17/11
A year old phone and the assumption that is was boxed for 3 months and sat on the shelf for another 3 months makes since.
But i also had 3 g2x's on launch day 4/15-4/25 all with dates close to a week before that.
I know Everything is speculation up until Sprint releases a real date.
A lot of us are sick of pointless triple posted threads with the same info.
This is some what "new ****" so before getting up on that high horse and telling people to stop posted crap you don't wanna read. And you can't wait for the Dev. Section.
why don't you point the finger back at your self and ask, why the **** you keep lurking the general section of a phone that doesn't have a official release date.
Just trying to bring the top new to you without you having to do the latest and greatest Google search...
Consider me Ron burgundy...
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For those who may not have seen this, a Sprint VP yesterday put a date on when we might expect the *official* Sprint ICS update - and it will include Sense 3.6. In light of the VM woes, I for one will be in the "waiting for the official" camp. I apologize if this has been seen before - but to my knowledge this is the first *official* word on a release date from Sprint brass.
From the mouth of David Owens, a VP for the wireless provider, "the eagerly-awaited Ice Cream Sandwich update for the HTC EVO 3D is set to arrive sometime in June."
http://www.mobilebloom.com/arrival-...-next-month-confirmed-by-sprint-exec/2213697/
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For those who may not have seen this, a Sprint VP yesterday put a date on when we might expect the *official* Sprint ICS update - and it will include Sense 3.6. In light of the VM woes, I for one will be in the "waiting for the official" camp. I apologize if this has been seen before - but to my knowledge this is the first *official* word on a release date from Sprint brass.
http://www.mobilebloom.com/arrival-...-next-month-confirmed-by-sprint-exec/2213697/
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Thanks for the info. I haven't read it yet. Not sure if it's posted in the correct forum, however, I'm glad you did because I wouldn't have caught it otherwise.
Honestly I only considered the forum-spot after I posted it. I'm such a tinkerer that I rarely pay attention to the other forums. Having said that - and I'm sure they would anyway - but if this post would be more fitting somewhere else - admins - please feel free to move it
Not only is this probably in the wrong place, it has been posted before...
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Not only is this probably in the wrong place, it has been posted before...
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Not necessary. Guy's just trying to be helpful and no doubt the mods will move this one. Chill out about it.
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Not necessary. Guy's just trying to be helpful and no doubt the mods will move this one. Chill out about it.
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True story....
Regardless, dude was trying to be helpful, and he was. Helped me. I've interested to hear the news and haven't seen it elsewhere. No one here has the time to read every single post in every single thread on every single forum. So, glad I caught it here as I've been waiting patiently.
Until then, I'm enjoying the Kingdom Boost ICS ROM has it has been fully functional with hardly any glitches. Android 4.0 + HTC Sense 3.6 = Win (in my book).
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Not only is this probably in the wrong place, it has been posted before...
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Meh... I included a pre-emptory mea culpa both in the OP and after. I would, in complete sincerity, love to know where the *official* date estimate was posted before... I say that only because the interview quoted happened *yesterday*. Any dates before that were, according to the article, pure speculation.
Having said that, I concur that this is probably in the wrong place and again would say feel free to move it...
notice how the release is after the release of the new evo. I wonder if they think the ics update will deter people from buying a new evo.
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notice how the release is after the release of the new evo. I wonder if they think the ics update will deter people from buying a new evo.
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Believe me I noted the same thing... Dual core 1.2 to dual core 1.5 with a better screen... I'd bet the 3D is fixin to have its price slashed. But the fact that Sprint is, and has been, selling the 3D full-out for the past entire year as a flagship phone alongside the SII, nexus, and soon-to-be-released E4GLTE, I think Sprint knew it *had* to include the 3D in the upgrade - or the sales of the 3D would have petered out long ago... Just a guess.
I'll be in line for the E4GLTE once Sprint's network issues (3 months, and counting) in my area are rectified. GD "network vision." "Sprint - the Hopefully Next Month network"
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notice how the release is after the release of the new evo. I wonder if they think the ics update will deter people from buying a new evo.
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Probably so. Everything to boost sales! But, peeps like us who try to be savvy with the phone rooting stuff tend to extend the lives of our phones way past what the tech moguls try to tell us they should be. Shoot, even ICS seems to be hitting the old HTC Aria with a processor that's less than 1 GHz.
Yup, posted several days ago.
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Also Evo 3d has already been declared end of life on Sprint. Virgin mobile Evo 3D will get ICS before Sprint, that is how we have a leak of ICS over in the Dev forum. A nice FU from Sprint....
may have been posted elsewhere, but I hardly look anywhere other then the /development forum... so I for one am very glad it had the "moved" tag in the development forum or I wouldn't have seen it...
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notice how the release is after the release of the new evo. I wonder if they think the ics update will deter people from buying a new evo.
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It's marketing, I can see the angle. They don't want to tank potential sales of the new product by encouraging new customers to buy a cheaper phone capable of delivering nearly the same experience. So leave the new one on top long enough to get all the new customers to jump on, then start feeding the existing contract customers.
Now, I'm willing to expect the phone will never get an update, or at least take longer than it will to get me a new phone (Epic), but if they follow through with the ICS upgrade, that will make me a happy camper and tide me over until I'm ready and willing to renew my contract come November.
Figure that will also give enough time for tweaks to be made and bugs to be squished.
I *also* expect the upgrade to be delayed until the end of July
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Yup, posted several days ago.
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Also Evo 3d has already been declared end of life on Sprint. Virgin mobile Evo 3D will get ICS before Sprint, that is how we have a leak of ICS over in the Dev forum. A nice FU from Sprint....
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Well there ya have it! I didn't find that one in a quick, cursory search and assumed the news so new that it didn't occur to me others would've found it.
As for Sprint - I'm quickly losing faith - between my aforementioned network issues and their track record of slow-to-market updates - I'm rethinking my switch away from AT&T to Sprint - and now considering the unthinkable - Verizon....
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notice how the release is after the release of the new evo. I wonder if they think the ics update will deter people from buying a new evo.
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I used to think that. Until I actually used Sense 3.6. Then I was deterred to use a custom ROM or contemplate the EVO LTE.
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Well there ya have it! I didn't find that one in a quick, cursory search and assumed the news so new that it didn't occur to me others would've found it.
As for Sprint - I'm quickly losing faith - between my aforementioned network issues and their track record of slow-to-market updates - I'm rethinking my switch away from AT&T to Sprint - and now considering the unthinkable - Verizon....
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I hear ya. AT&T has the best selection as far as phones go (IMO). But I wonder, since VM is getting the 3VO, does this mean HTC will be obligated/choose to continue to release updates for it or will they not care as it's not an actual contract?
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Yup, posted several days ago.
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To be fair that technically wasn't an official update schedule. He said "the other devices" will get them in June, not the 3D specifically. Thread stays.
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I used to think that. Until I actually used Sense 3.6. Then I was deterred to use a custom ROM or contemplate the EVO LTE.
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I hear ya. AT&T has the best selection as far as phones go (IMO). But I wonder, since VM is getting the 3VO, does this mean HTC will be obligated/choose to continue to release updates for it or will they not care as it's not an actual contract?
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I've been using Boost Kingdom ROM. It's by far been very bug free (little stuff, but, still a daily driver). It's not based on any VM leaks. It's a fully functional port. I have 4G, 3D camera, Wifi tether, bluetooth, video recording, camera. I haven't found anything really borked on it. Plus, I reverted back to my 2.3 GB ROM with no issues when I needed to get something from the data.
It has HTC Sense 3.6 as well and it's the best Sense I've used yet. Very smooth.
I've been to AT&T, and they suck. I'm not too crazy about Sprint, however, to be honest, out of the phone companies I have dealt with or have family who has dealt with, Sprint has been the least hassle, even though their network is slow and their updates, too. I use way too much data to be limited to 2 GB per month. Scr3w that.
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To be fair that technically wasn't an official update schedule. He said "the other devices" will get them in June, not the 3D specifically. Thread stays.
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If u listen to his tone of voice and the way he said it, it sounded like he was just spitting any answer he could think of to shut the guy from Endgadget up as he was under pressure and now Sprint probably wishes he didn't do that. I too am with the idea of update in July or even ever for that matter. I mean do they really have to even give it to us in the 1st place? Most average users do not even know what ics is.
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I've been using Boost Kingdom ROM. It's by far been very bug free (little stuff, but, still a daily driver). It's not based on any VM leaks. It's a fully functional port. I have 4G, 3D camera, Wifi tether, bluetooth, video recording, camera. I haven't found anything really borked on it. Plus, I reverted back to my 2.3 GB ROM with no issues when I needed to get something from the data.
It has HTC Sense 3.6 as well and it's the best Sense I've used yet. Very smooth.
I've been to AT&T, and they suck. I'm not too crazy about Sprint, however, to be honest, out of the phone companies I have dealt with or have family who has dealt with, Sprint has been the least hassle, even though their network is slow and their updates, too. I use way too much data to be limited to 2 GB per month. Sc3ew that.
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Have to agree. As much as we may not like it, they are one of the best carriers out right now imo.
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Have to agree. As much as we may not like it, they are one of the best carriers out right now imo.
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Dude, when I came back to them after leaving AT&T (because they refused to honor my unlimited data plan. LOOOONG story), Sprint seriously effed my bill.
After three months of hassle and few credits, all was straight and good. The 4G network has more holes than Swiss cheese, but, there is a method I'm going to try to increase reception (some sort of setting to change using QPST or actual line codes, can't remember where I saw it yesterday). But, aside from all of that, my phone is pretty boss and does what I need it to do and I don't have to worry about data usage, and boy, can I use some data!!!!!!!
I still want a cleaned up version of their release of the ICS ROM, though. Until then, I am content with what I have.
EDIT: BTW, if you look at AT&T's pricing and Verizon's, they are considerably more expensive than Sprint's. With Sprint, my phone alone was $92 a month including taxes and an insurance plan. The same thing at AT&T with a 2GB plan instead of unlimited was starting at $110 or $115, something like that. This was a few months ago, could have changed by now, seeing how they change their minds more than they do their underwear.
I called Motorola this morning regarding ICS spoke to them for a while got transfered etc, anyways the lady I spoke to last said the update did not get cancelled however for all I know she could have just told me that so I would shut up. She did also say she sent out a message to the delevopers regarding my concern. I told her about how Im not the only one with this issue and how theres more of us that have been waiting and we are about to give up hope. Do me a favor call them up 1-800-734-5870 lets jam their lines with our concern and HOPEFULLY they will actually start taking care of their customers.
I sent this email on the support page. I don't know if it will help any, but I guess it's worth a shot.
To Whom It May Concern,
My name is xxxxxxxxxx. I am a xx year old college student in xxxxxxx. My whole family (myself, my mother and father, and my sister) are on the same plan with Sprint. When our contract was up for renewal in the spring of 2012, I was the one who did all the research on phones for all of us to upgrade to. I extensively researched all of the options that Sprint offered at the time.
The biggest criterion that needed to be met was that the phone would be upgraded to Android 4.0 at least eventually. I wound up narrowing it down to the two options of the Motorola Photon 4g and the Samsung Epic 4g touch. When we got to the store to physically see the phones, I was still on the fence. What ended up tipping me over to the Photon side was the Sprint employees. The employees at Sprint recommended the Photon and my whole family decided to go with this phone. The phone is an excellent piece of technology and I have not regretted this decision in most regards.
I have, however, regretted the decision in one big way. Today I read the XDA Developers forums for the Photon 4g and was informed that the Photon was not going to get an upgrade. And I would like to make it known that this is NOT acceptable.
My family and I bought this phone on the premise that it would be getting Android 4.0. Were it not for this promise that was made by YOU, Motorola Mobility, this phone would not have even been in contention, and you would have lost out on a sale of 4 phones. But, as it was, the phone was to be updated to ICS.
But you reneged on that promise today. It turns out you lied to the masses and likely got many people to buy your phones because they met the criterion of an upgrade to ICS. You didn't deliver a full product.
Consider the following scenario: You buy a new car. This new car includes a wonderful warranty that protects you of any manufacturer defects for a certain period of time. A month after you drive the car off the lot, it breaks down and you need that warranty. But the company refuses to pay for your car to be fixed. The company did not deliver a full product that included all the promises made about it. This would NEVER be acceptable. But yet, it is somehow acceptable for you to go back on your promise to upgrade our phones to ICS.
There is still a large community of people who use the Photon 4G and are loyal to the phone. They all want ICS. But it's not coming.
In the future, my family and I will take these empty promises into consideration when getting new phones. It will certainly negatively affect the chances of us EVER purchasing a Motorola phone again.
Thanks,
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Hello friends!
This really sucks!!
6 months before, when I've bought Photon, Motorola officially stated that "Motorola Photon MB855 will get ICS update in Q3 2012", few months later they wrote that "ICS update will be ready in Q4", and now they simply cancelled rollout!
What kind of liars they are??
This is not just UNFAIR, this is FRAUD!
I've waited for so long, and now they say that I'm a fool!! And not me, also lots of people who use Photons and Atrixes!!
Dammit!
What can we do??
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What can we do??
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Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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John Kotches said:
Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
Ramonsterator said:
Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
This sucks. I'm stuck with this POS phone that won't get upgraded because the insurance company didn't have any more of my Nexus S4g in stock. My S4g was an older phone and still got JB. How the hell can they expect people to continue to buy their products when they just throw the owner's under the bus.
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
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It was EOL'd six months after it was released. Not happy with it but we were lucky to get any updates after January.
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its going to be difficult to do a class action lawsuit in the U.S. due to limits imposed by the Supreme Court. That was really one of the few ways of litigation to get the attention of companies. Its just too expensive for an individual consumer to take on a large company in anything other than small claims court.
On the other-hand, having Motorola defend a couple thousand small claims cases (some of which cannot be done by attorneys) will quickly become more expensive for them than the original ICS rollout.
It would be difficult to show that MM broke any contract by not providing ICS (dont think there are any guarantees for a software update), but it should be easy to prove that they materially harmed consumers with the 2.3.5 update from 2.3.4 that locked bootloaders.
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
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F'ing this, so hard. I'm talking Long Dong Silver on a t-shirt of blow hard. I'm talking Stallone in Rambo hard. I'm talking Hard Knock Life Volume 1, 2 and 3. I'm talking Hard. I hate Motorola, and I hope someone farts in the office and its unbearable.
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
Didnt google state that all android devices get updates including operating system updates for 2 yrs or did i miss read that?
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It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
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Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
That doesnt surprise me
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Lokifish Marz said:
Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
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http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
As you can see the official google blog post is May 10, 2011.
Photon was officially released July 31, 2011 and thus would have qualified as a "new device" at the time of the May 10, 2011 official blogpost.
Other than the I/O announcement and press release you linked there's nothing from any of the "Update Alliance" partners after that. Find anything dated 2012.
after the I/O I dont think it was officially mentioned again.
Note how they say they'll do it if the "hardware allows." We know it will work but they'll use that as some copout!
If MOTO is reading about our rage on no ICS, they will count how many people are disappointed. Based on the number of reply in multiple threads here, it appears only few of us are fuming.
In the age of twitter, facebook and google+, we should be able to force Moto to treat the customers with respect and atleast keep their promise !
but .. numbers count.
So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Everyone says sprint sprint sprint but is it not the manufacturer's that say what device they wanna tweak the os for? Besides if it was sprint that was delaying it why would the s3 already be confirmed to be getting the jelly bean update? HTC says they don't know if they will be updating it. And Idt sprint would hurt their own pockets like that. 2 have 2 flagship phones on the latest os faster and far less problems they would/should be jizzin in their pants for that chance.
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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U hit the nail on the head! Totally agree 1000%
I payed more for my phone than I did my laptop or tablet. Yet they get updates damn near everyday. And if android is open source I should be ableto get the updates on anyphone that runs Android as long as the specs are up to par for free correct. Just like linux. So y do they get to choose what we get so they can make money. I mean we do it here. So y can't they. Lol sry just rantin clearin my chest.
Me and the wife love HTC but we both agreed that even though we dislike the build quality of Samsung it may be our next phone just because things get updated and fixed a lot more frequently. Besides our phones stay deep inside great looking cases so how much does build quality mean to us anyway.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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Point taken. Bottom line is that "we" the customer, gets screwed. I would find it hard to believe that HTC and Sprint both "don't know" what people want. HTC makes great phones and the developers help us love them. Developers maximize the potential of our devices but if they're not getting what they need, it's a moot point and I'll probably leave Sprint and HTC altogether when I'm due for an upgrade. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Patience only goes so far.
Not to mention still can't have caller id tones since last update n they can't fix that. Bs and I don't wanna switch roms cuz something always never works in roms.
have to admit if it wasn't for custom roms and the hard work of devs here I would have tossed this phone by now.
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Having been an android owner for the last three years (and an evo owner for the last 2), I've gotten used to the slower updates. It's always been explained away by saying that first HTC has to produce an update, then Sprint has to tweak the update, before we ever get the OTA. I know it's not a solution to the problem presented in the OP, but has anyone noticed that we have fantastic devs for this phone? The roms, kernels, and tweaks are not only being produced on a daily basis, but are frequently updated and provided with fantastic support. I can live with slow manufacture and provider updates as long we continue to have great devs.
Yes, but in a different way. I will not be purchasing another HTC product ever due to their slow update roll outs as well as their locking of the boot loaders. While they finally relented and let people unlock their bootloaders through their website, their previous and current stance on the issue is unacceptable to me.
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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KLP isn't out yet. I never said i was leaving sprint just may leave HTC. for me sprint is the best deal besides pre-paid. if pre-paid got the hottest phones as well. I think the big 3 would be outta biz or would have to lower prices to compete. lol
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Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
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not really that is what they run off contract. bout $800 plus tax
this phone will probably be the last HTC phone I purchase... unless they change their policy on source and start to release it to dev's faster... it seems like there is a lot more activity for the S3....
If I get another HTC device it will be a nexus. If they dont make a nexus device im not getting it. I love htc build quality, it feels like a real device in my hand, but the lack of updates really turns me off.
Sorry to hear you paid $850 for this mech.. got mine free without upgrading because the 3ds were on backorder when mine broke... and i got that free also...