This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
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Y'all already know I got a little excited when I first posted this... I am sorry for making it sound like "Hey we are definitely getting ICS!" I saw that the X2 was still in the "Evaluation and Planning" phase of development and truth is it could go either way! So thank you for not destroying this freshie and sharing your knowledge!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
Would that include us Milestone owners? They're essentially the same device. If so.....YAY!
754boy said:
Would that include us Milestone owners? They're essentially the same device. If so.....YAY!
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As I understand it, the Milestone 3 is on the list!
I wouldn't put too much weight on the word of a company that said they'd give us unlocked bootloaders by the end of 11'.
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This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
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ummm on the website it says in evaluation that means they are seeing if it works good this is NOT a certainty do NOT get your hopes up. Moto has effed us over before :/
Motorola can kiss my rump. I'm getting ready to order a Galaxy Nexus as my main phone. Droid x2 is a great phone but its just too locked down for me. I miss having a working rom manager. I'm a flash addict and miss being able to flash without being plugged into the charger.
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This is the part that scares me...
Theve lied to us before....
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My bet is that "under evaluation" is their way of saying no, while stringing us along..
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Like I said in the other topic they best keep updating us at least onto more 2.3.? . This thing is still full of problems especially audio.
Bohnsta said:
This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
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Thanks for the post, however, this does not guarantee that ics is coming to the Droid. Notice it is in the planning and evaluation mode. Note how other phones are listed at getting ics in the 3rd quarter of 2012.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
People, I understand how companies have to plan for releases. Believe me, I know as I am an architect and developer for a major utility company. What I expect from Motorola are constant updates, not some vague posting that sits there for months with NO updates what-so-ever. Kind of like how we were promised to have unlocked bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and it never happened. Motorola NEVER gave an update as to why this was nor if they were going to do it at a later date. Instead, dead silence and then the release of the Droid RAZR Developer Edition which costs $100 more than the MSP and no guarantee that it would be released by Verizon or other carriers. In fact, it's not schedule for release in the US for some time, which could turn out to be never.
So, don't take this update from Motorola sitting down. We MUST continue to hound them, tactfully, to release ICS for the X2 and other Motorola phones that are more than capable of running it. In addition, they MUST be made to come through on their promise to unlock the bootloader. Remember, do it with tact. As I've stated in another post, I've already filed my BBB complaint to Motorola which has been accepted by the BBB and forwarded on to Motorola, so the ball is in their court now. I suggest everyone else does the same. The more complaints, the more likely they respond, hopefully with a gesture that meets our wants and needs.
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jcbwaters3 said:
Motorola can kiss my rump. I'm getting ready to order a Galaxy Nexus as my main phone. Droid x2 is a great phone but its just too locked down for me. I miss having a working rom manager. I'm a flash addict and miss being able to flash without being plugged into the charger.
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I got rid of my DX2 for an LTE GN and I haven't looked back since. The open world of bootloaders is amazing!
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I got rid of my DX2 for an LTE GN and I haven't looked back since. The open world of bootloaders is amazing!
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I'm ordering my Galaxy Nexus today. Never again will I spend money on a Motorola device.
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Where are all the devs for this phone? I know a couple people that have the dx2 and would love to tell them to check out the new rom on the x2 forums. Not being a troll but wtf is going on over here? I don't even see any [WIP] going. And don't say "why don't you cook something up? ". Because I don't know how... That's why I donate. This phone has been out for a while and no one is posting sh! T. Peace
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Until we get the bootloader unlocked and a full system SBF file there wont be any developing going on....
I know its frustrating
My droid incredible broke earlier this year and I ended up getting an x2. Yet again motorola has disappointed me, just like the days that i had my backflip....
On another note, we should be seeing some form of gingerbread released soon because of the Droid 3 coming out!
I think I am sick of seeing the same question asked day in, day out. Once there is something to be reported it will be posted in the DEV forum.
So IMHO be patient.
This is not customer service, unfortunately you need to wait . Stop posting threads like this or posts demanding updates.
Thanks,
So lets just see what we got coming down the pipes or already here:
1. SBF is out and available
2. Custom Recovery is now out and available
3. P3Droid has shown an interest in dev'ing for the X2 and we're working on getting him one to work with.
****Breaking News*****
4. JRummy from team liberty tweeted today that they're considering porting the Liberty ROM over to the X2.
Good things are happening people!!! Hang in there because when this thing gets going it's gonna be great!!!!
GREAT NEWS!!
the one thing i really miss from the DROID X is liberty
liberty on the DROID X2 will be GREAT!!
another useless topic, but glad you decided to post it in the right forum!
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another useless topic, but glad you decided to post it in the right forum!
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Haters gotta hate.
But yeah great news. I loved Liberty.
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Can't wait for liberty! I purchased liberty tools then my X1.takes a crap on me n gets stuck with the x2. Fml
Hey magneticzero- If you aren't going to add anything to the thread don't bother posting.
Nobody really gives a S**T what the hell you think is a worthy topic or not.
What is SBF?
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System Boot File??? I've heard a thousand things that it supposedly stands for.
But SBF is a commonly used term for a copy of the factory/stock image that your phone comes with from the factory. If you brick your phone flashing roms, themeing, etc.. You could use the SBF to recover from whatever mistake you made.
Thanks much. I had to use a factory restore file on my Galaxy Tab before it would accept the Froyo update because I had deleted some bloatware. Never heard it called an SBF.
How is any of this new news? You just repeat yourself or what has already been said in other threads.
Magneticzero-
1. You're NOT a forum moderator, stop acting like one!! If the moderators see fit they can modify, delete, move any discussion they deem necessary. Since they haven't done that yet, i'm assuming that my threads/posts are within forum guidelines and therefore above reproach from users that have obvious narcissistic tendencies.
2. Since it's clear that you offer nothing substantial to the discussion, you have been added to my ignore list and can feel free to rant about things all you want.
Thank you
My work is done here...pointing out the peanut in the turd. Good day.
magneticzero said:
My work is done here...pointing out the peanut in the turd. Good day.
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Lul he looks at turds.
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Lul he looks at turds.
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And points out the peanuts in them. LOL.
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i hate to sound like a newbie which i am....lol but what is "Liberty"
silverdog said:
i hate to sound like a newbie which i am....lol but what is "Liberty"
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Liberty is a rom for the OG DroidX, which is a FANTASTIC one.
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thanx for the info. i was just about to attemp rooting mine but everytime i get ready to, i read of another term or procedure that freaks me out scaring me. so i guess i better not try now...lol
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Magneticzero-
1. You're NOT a forum moderator, stop acting like one!! If the moderators see fit they can modify, delete, move any discussion they deem necessary. Since they haven't done that yet, i'm assuming that my threads/posts are within forum guidelines and therefore above reproach from users that have obvious narcissistic tendencies.
2. Since it's clear that you offer nothing substantial to the discussion, you have been added to my ignore list and can feel free to rant about things all you want.
Thank you
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I think you did an excellent job trying to ignore this person! He never contributes and is always negative. Like that one drunk uncle that always yells at everyone else's kids. Lol.
Anyway, I am happy someone is talking about something on the forums! Keep it up!
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SciReal said:
I think you did an excellent job trying to ignore this person! He never contributes and is always negative. Like that one drunk uncle that always yells at everyone else's kids. Lol.
Anyway, I am happy someone is talking about something on the forums! Keep it up!
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Yeah, I went ahead and put that guy on ignore right away. I mean, sure, I was aware of all the stuff announced by the OP, but it was nice to see all of these developments in a single place just to start up a conversation.
That zeromagnet or whatever guy just has no class at all. People should put him on ignore and just not bother replying to his posts.
I had liberty on the Droid 2/X and I absolutely loved it. I really hope to see it ported to the X2 soon.
As far as themes go, I really hope to see Juicemane port his Gingercomb Juiced theme over from the Droid 2/X Liberty ROM
As far as what's considered news or not, I have been in the android world for just over a year, and I just started following many of the major developers on Twitter. So I post the new stuff I hear on twitter for those of us that aren't following the most up to date stuff.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/55945
It is a good article, I think it is a good idea to spread this around. I think most of you would support this.
religi0n said:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/55945
It is a good article, I think it is a good idea to spread this around. I think most of you would support this.
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Man why is this such a hard thing to do by motorola, htc and samsung are cool with it, and lg i believe is too... why does moto have to have a stick up there asses
ericerk said:
Man why is this such a hard thing to do by motorola, htc and samsung are cool with it, and lg i believe is too... why does moto have to have a stick up there asses
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I think they feel like they would lose their business with the phone companies
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I think they feel like they would lose their business with the phone companies
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Instead consumers would be happy
KurioHonoo said:
I think they feel like they would lose their business with the phone companies
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But of course, because a locked bootloader is raking in all the cash.
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Avelnan said:
But of course, because a locked bootloader is raking in all the cash.
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Not For Long.
Time and time again people have pleaded with motorola about this issue. Motorola does not listen to it's customer's; it listen's to it's carrier's. It's up to a dev to get this thing unlocked. Period.
The x2 is kinda the redheaded step child of the dev community right now. We may be pretty SOL
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The x2 is kinda the redheaded step child of the dev community right now. We may be pretty SOL
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At least we will be getting a BAMF ROM soon, maybe then we will get some more developer love.
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Originally Posted by KurioHonoo
I think they feel like they would lose their business with the phone companies
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Instead consumers would be happy
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Well, a few customers would be very happy. Unfortunately, the vast majority of customers have no idea what a custom ROM is, or care about even rooting their phone. Carriers like Verizon have much to gain by taking steps to insure that most of their phones in the field remain stock. I'd imagine that KurioHonoo hit it square on the head. Moto believes it more important to remain a favorite son of the carrires, rather than take a step that would please a small percentage of customers at the risk of doing anything to weaken their favored carrier status.
The fact that Moto manufactures much of the cell infrastructure equipment for the carriers probably reinforces this attitude.
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Well, a few customers would be very happy. Unfortunately, the vast majority of customers have no idea what a custom ROM is, or care about even rooting their phone. Carriers like Verizon have much to gain by taking steps to insure that most of their phones in the field remain stock. I'd imagine that KurioHonoo hit it square on the head. Moto believes it more important to remain a favorite son of the carrires, rather than take a step that would please a small percentage of customers at the risk of doing anything to weaken their favored carrier status.
The fact that Moto manufactures much of the cell infrastructure equipment for the carriers probably reinforces this attitude.
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The happy median is the "unofficial" leak. What a novel way to give something to everyone.
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At least we will be getting a BAMF ROM soon, maybe then we will get some more developer love.
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a BAMF rom does us no good with a stock kernel
I sent this in to Droid life and tweeted it to Android Police and what not. Come on guys, stop the pitty party and lets show Motorola how big that actual def community is! We're not just a small percentage, I know that for a fact. At least around here, where I live, everyone knows or at least knows the basic idea of what rooting and such is, and they are aware that HTC is supportive and Motorola is currently not.
But let's retweet this link to Motorola, and post on that forum. Let's show them how big we really are!
I know a guy who work's for the big red and he just got an e-mail saying that the ICS update will come with in 30days!
Now comment!
Thanks
Its too early for it to come it.
All I want is a Good Stable ROM With Ics Theme On My Droid RAZR.
(651.73.30 XT910) if you got any suggestions for me please PM ME.
I used 2 be thr main guy on the but now on the RAZR i'm asking for help @[email protected]
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"I used 2 be thr main guy on the but"
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hmmmmmm.........
MattyOnXperiaX10 said:
I used 2 be thr main guy on the but now on the RAZR i'm asking for help @[email protected]
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Wow. What does that mean?
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I know a guy who work's for the big red and he just got an e-mail saying that the ICS update will come with in 30days!
Now comment!
Thanks
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hmm.. do you think that he is right?
4ktvs said:
I know a guy who work's for the big red and he just got an e-mail saying that the ICS update will come with in 30days!
Now comment!
Thanks
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Comment: Why the hell do you even start these types of threads?
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hmm.. do you think that he is right?
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Not a chance...
Not sure why someone would start a thread like this. "My dad's friend works at Nintendo and Mewtwo is going to come out free soon" or things like that.
If anyone knows when ICS is coming out it is the people who search for leaks. *cough* *cough*
No sign of it very soon, but it is possible to see it in such a large given time-frame. 174 and 175 were dropped in favor of another update to 173. Then ICS should be out next, whenever they give it to Verizon for checking we should get it shortly after.
I sure you all were thinking the iphone 5 would come out and it would have LTE. I knew the truth.
P.S yes I made the 4 core phone thing up, because I knew that no one cared and no one ever asked just like I had for seen. I could tell of my "iphone "5" story. but there is no point.
Edit: I was just trying to give good news. (If it's true)
Thanks for the potentially good news!! don't mind the haters, they seem to be out in force lately.
Try posting the email, if u can.
I meant I was a dev
I've moved from the Xperia x10 to the motorola RAZR
Owners of the US versions Droid RAZR and RAZR MAXX seem to have a longer wait ahead:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
"Evaluation & Planning" is the first step of development
Found that via The Verge
Probably because of f'ing carrier versions and crap... sorry to disappoint some of you guys! The chart is gonna get updated recently though, maybe it turns out to come quicker than indicated right now.
Here a table with the date for EMEA:
http://www.frandroid.com/actualites...-complete-des-prochaines-mises-a-jour-android
what should be a slap in the face for moto is that dhacker and hashcode will probably have a stable build out before we get an official from moto. crazy they have all these developers and tech guys getting paid and they do it for next to nothing and get the job done.
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what should be a slap in the face for moto is that dhacker and hashcode will probably have a stable build out before we get an official from moto. crazy they have all these developers and tech guys getting paid and they do it for next to nothing and get the job done.
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Reminds me of Sony Ericsson and my loved/hated Xperia X10 But Sony Ericsson learned its lesson in 2011, Motorola doesn't seem to learn anything lately...
Q 2 2012 is April, May, June right?
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
here u go
Updated: 15-February-2012
what i do get is how both are basically the same phone with a few minor differences i guess. one is in the development phase and the u.s. version is still in evaluation and planning(sitting with our thumb up our ass) phase.
Same situation with motorola xoom wifi (us version which already has ics and 3g+wifi version for EU is still in development phase)
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Buying Moto was a big mistake. Yes. I think I will now admit it. Literally NO updates and they treat you like Sh*T. Good going Moto. Not to mention the fact that the devs give it a miss. I don't blame them at all. When other major corps (HTC at least) have listened to their customers and unlocked their boot loaders and released their source code, what makes Moto so special and not follow suit. A while back they were nearly non-existent. Until Google bought 'em.
I am growing impatient as I slowly see the world progress towards faster and newer OSes and inspite of paying a bomb and buying killer hardware, have to be stuck with MotoBla and am at the mercy of Motorola. Hmmm...*checks if the logo behind isn't a bitten apple*
As if this wasn't enough, add to it CDMA/GSM confusion. Some really awesome ROMs out there for CDMA and we, the GSM lot, just helplessly watch as a third world country. No doubt the devs are working day and night on patches and ROMs...but the progress is visibly slow (for GSM that is).
On the other hand whatever brighter side is left, yes, the hardware and looks are killer. But now I think it's pointless.
Never again Moto. YES sir.
Comments welcome, positive criticism welcome too.
But if you are gonna reply, "Oh one more thread about bla bla..." I suggest you simply hit the back button and go help some noob.
This is my perspective on being with a Moto phone for less than a year.
Buying Moto was a big mistake. Yes. I think I will now admit it.
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Wait... you bought Motorola? I thought Google did.
TIL
I am waiting for kexec to be ported to our device by hash. He is running custom kernel on the DROID 3 with ics atm
To be honest I am tired of waiting for kholk, hash managed to get both cores running
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Oh one more thread about bla bla...
eyriiii said:
I am waiting for kexec to be ported to our device by hash. He is running custom kernel on the DROID 3 with ics atm
To be honest I am tired of waiting for kholk, hash managed to get both cores running
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You paid to Moto not to the dev.. so stop complaining about them being slow.
be grateful because at least they're trying..
Android is fun because so many generous people working hard for it :good:
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Wait... you bought Motorola? I thought Google did.
TIL
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I wish...
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You mad bro?
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You mad bro?
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And what exactly makes you say that? Tell me what have I said that u think is wrong...then let's see who is mad.
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And I think u either don't know English or can't comprehend sentences...the last line clearly reads, only if u have something positive and constructive to contribute, reply. Otherwise, politely, buzz off.
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Although all the repliers in this thread have valid points I have to agree with the op. I like the RAZR. Its got great build quality and features. The screen sucks balls and support from moto is disappointing. I am waiting until I can afford it and swapping to something else. Depending on what I can afford, anything from a nexus s to galaxy s3.
All this and I had a dell streak that I would happily have instead.
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That would be the last resort, selling it. Swapping it for another phone...hmmm.
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Although all the repliers in this thread have valid points I have to agree with the op. I like the RAZR. Its got great build quality and features. The screen sucks balls and support from moto is disappointing. I am waiting until I can afford it and swapping to something else. Depending on what I can afford, anything from a nexus s to galaxy s3.
All this and I had a dell streak that I would happily have instead.
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So " u mad bro" is a valid post? xD
Joke mode off
I can understand op point of view, while the rar is amazing from the hw point of view, the part of being motorola is the one that lower it's value.
Probably my next phone will be not a motorola, unless they change their behavior. Maybe losing in a quarter almost what they lost in a year can make change their idea a bit
We can only hope. My view is that they won't change. I was victim of their dext update fail and they say once bitten, twice shy. I'll change that to twice bitten, never buy.
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Edit. Yes I think 'you mad bro' is valid. This is an open forum about general RAZR related chat after all
MarkyG82 said:
We can only hope. My view is that they won't change. I was victim of their dext update fail and they say once bitten, twice shy. I'll change that to twice bitten, never buy.
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Edit. Yes I think 'you mad bro' is valid. This is an open forum about general RAZR related chat after all
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Nothing valid about "you mad bro". Its high time we have a serious conversation about these things don't ya think??
Now checking out LG OPTIMUS 4X...looks good. But don't want another Motorola episode rerun in my life.
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I understand the aggravation, but I don't understand why people find it necessary to post rants here. Xda is a development forum for developers, essentially your going to get a nod of agreement or flamed for littering the threads, why waste your energy? Why not voice your disappointment to the company that caused your grief. If Motorola and verizon's forums, Facebook, etc. we're filled with as many post with customer complaints as xda is they might do something about it just to shut us up.
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I understand the aggravation, but I don't understand why people find it necessary to post rants here. Xda is a development forum for developers, essentially your going to get a nod of agreement or flamed for littering the threads, why waste your energy? Why not voice your disappointment to the company that caused your grief. If Motorola and verizon's forums, Facebook, etc. we're filled with as many post with customer complaints as xda is they might do something about it just to shut us up.
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I agree. But again, I made sure I'm not posting in the dev section but in the general section. I just wanted to see how many people agree or am I just "mad".
Anyways...
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I'm with you 100% other phones get the good stuff even lower end ones and we got a good piece of hardware but can't exploit it the way it sould be.
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Moto dies make awesome phones.. But their updates leaves much to be desired.
If only they can apply their six sigma on customer satisfaction on updates..
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I'm seriously looking at other options as of now...LG OPTIMUS 4X looks good..Tegra 3, and other cool hardware..4cores that go silent when not needed and spring back to action when needed..or so the ad says...
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Have you guys had phones like the DROID charge where you are left in the dust with crickets and barren desert for a dev scene and no updates at all?
You don't know how good you have it with this phone.
The phone you want is not available and it is a RAZR HD Nexus model.
I am extremely content with this phone.
Used to flash anything that came out for my Samsung phones to try and eek out a little extra performance. This phone doesn't need that.
SHVR MAXX
I have Epsilon V4 running on my gsm Razr. I have friends who have Galaxy and Nexus devices, among other premium devices. They care little about benchmarks and ROMs. They (We) worry more about email, some photo apps, social networking, some games, and business related apps. Hell I had to talk them into rooting and such. One thing they do care about is the "feel" that my razor has; its uniqueness, they grab it, fondle it, leet it rest on their hands and stare at the kevlar.
That being said, I don't think I want to buy a plastic telephone that develops cracks for no apparent reason. Furthermore, if time and business allow I am considering learning the related stuff to Android development. Not just for the challenge and fun, but for the very principle "If you want something done your way, you get to it."
Nobody forced me, or any adult for that matter, to obtain and keep this phone. If anybody is that unhappy with their device, I'd say it will be quite simple to sell it and get something one wants.
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