Haven't found this. Is rooting this device reversible in such a way as ATT cannot tell you ever rooted it and warranty/insurance would cover it if something comes up with the phone?
Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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orangekid said:
Haven't found this. Is rooting this device reversible in such a way as ATT cannot tell you ever rooted it and warranty/insurance would cover it if something comes up with the phone?
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I tripped the flash counter on my ATT SGS2 and it even had the big triangle with exclamation point come up on boot after the counter was triggered. I had a problem with calls dropping and they could not determine the cause and I was able to swap it out for a new one in store even with a custom rom and the counter tripped. The guy at the ATT store didnt even pay attention when it booted up with the big triangle on the screen. I don't know if this guy just missed this or if ATT just doesnt care all together.
I think if you are really worried about your warranty then I would wait until a solution comes around to either reset the counter or root without tripping it in the first place just to be safe. Because when I got my replacement SGS2 they had already come up with another method that did not trip the flash counter.
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Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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I know that much, but can they tell you ever flashed Odin in the first place?
Unfortunately atm rooting will trigger your flash counter and there is no way of resetting it, if im not mistaken.
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Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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This is true but the flash counter will not be reset.
Romee74 said:
I tripped the flash counter on my ATT SGS2 and it even had the big triangle with exclamation point come up on boot after the counter was triggered. I had a problem with calls dropping and they could not determine the cause and I was able to swap it out for a new one in store even with a custom rom and the counter tripped. The guy at the ATT store didnt even pay attention when it booted up with the big triangle on the screen. I don't know if this guy just missed this or if ATT just doesnt care all together.
I think if you are really worried about your warranty then I would wait until a solution comes around to either reset the counter or root without tripping it in the first place just to be safe. Because when I got my replacement SGS2 they had already come up with another method that did not trip the flash counter.
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that's what I was looking for. Thanks!
Picking up this bad boy today. I wanted to root it first thing for no ads and to use mybackuproot to restore all my apps from my old HD2, but I guess I'll wait. If I get a bad screen or something I don't want them to say "well you tripped the flash counter, so we can't do **** for you"
if its a hardware problem they still have to replace it weather you rooted it or not. bad hardware is bad hardware. i have had people atleast on sprint return devices that had custom roms for what ever reason and as long as its a true hardware issue it would play no difference on the return
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if its a hardware problem they still have to replace it weather you rooted it or not. bad hardware is bad hardware. i have had people atleast on sprint return devices that had custom roms for what ever reason and as long as its a true hardware issue it would play no difference on the return
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are you sure about that, I thought rooting violates all warranty claims.
depends on how you root. rooting a phone wont do much of anything. messing with your kernel will. kernel is what gets you in trouble most of the time.
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depends on how you root. rooting a phone wont do much of anything. messing with your kernel will. kernel is what gets you in trouble most of the time.
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I mean the carrier can say "no" to everything even if obviously the root didn't cause the problem because technically rooting voids the warranty. I've known Sprint to do this.
I'm not talking about what they "should" do or if rooting does anything bad, I'm talking about what ATT ACTUALLY does in these cases.
Buy a USB download jig. It resets your flash counter back to 0.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNBrick-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-i9100-Download-Mode-USB-Jig-/270805686806
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well if you root without changing your counter. just delete the su app using command line and your good none the wiser on there part.
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Buy a USB download jig. It resets your flash counter back to 0.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNBrick-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-i9100-Download-Mode-USB-Jig-/270805686806
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Read the forums. People have already tested and said multiple times that the jigs don't work on the Note due to a new bootloader.
I'm just curious as I'm new to this.
Not being a negative thinker here, but is there a chance that there will NEVER be a method that will reset the counters back to 0? Jig or what other methods can be used?
I love the Note and I was really excited on all this rooting stuff until I found out about this one. I have bad luck with gadgets as they fail on me most of the time even before the contract is up. It would be a pain that if it happens, Samsung will deny me the warranty because of that after paying $299.
Or could this "New Bootloader" be the new "Locked bootloader" (Like the Atrix when it was lauched?)
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well if you root without changing your counter. just delete the su app using command line and your good none the wiser on there part.
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but that's not possible is it?
keplenk said:
I'm just curious as I'm new to this.
Not being a negative thinker here, but is there a chance that there will NEVER be a method that will reset the counters back to 0? Jig or what other methods can be used?
I love the Note and I was really excited on all this rooting stuff until I found out about this one. I have bad luck with gadgets as they fail on me most of the time even before the contract is up. It would be a pain that if it happens, Samsung will deny me the warranty because of that after paying $299.
Or could this "New Bootloader" be the new "Locked bootloader" (Like the Atrix when it was lauched?)
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It's not a locked bootloader because it's already been rooted. But it is a new bootloader that apparently really wants to count flashes.
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Read the forums. People have already tested and said multiple times that the jigs don't work on the Note due to a new bootloader.
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Yes I have read the forums.
It does work on the new bootloader (been tested and done on 2.3.6). For reference see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888
However on the AT&T version it has not been tested yet. Only on the Int'l version. I would wait for confirmation to see if and when the AT&T version has been tested.
Another way to do it, once ICS 4.0 comes on this phone, is to use Chainfire's app called TriangleAway (have to be rooted) and you can reset the counter back to 0 as well. Someone did it on their Int'l Note by flashing the ICS 4.0 leak and then using TriangleAway. Then using Odin to put on another ROM.8
So basically the questions are
1) can you flash something which does not trip the counter which can be fully restored to stock that roots your phone?
2) Is there a way to bring the trip counter back to zero?
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Yes I have read the forums.
It does work on the new bootloader (been tested and done on 2.3.6). For reference see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888
However on the AT&T version it has not been tested yet. Only on the Int'l version. I would wait for confirmation to see if and when the AT&T version has been tested.
Another way to do it, once ICS 4.0 comes on this phone, is to use Chainfire's app called TriangleAway (have to be rooted) and you can reset the counter back to 0 as well. Someone did it on their Int'l Note by flashing the ICS 4.0 leak and then using TriangleAway. Then using Odin to put on another ROM.8
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International bootloader =/= AT&T Bootloader. The different SoC's and build dates along with other factors mean that we can't use the jig method right now. There is no downgrade bootloader for use to use, even. We're stuck.
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Hello, I'm using Galaxy S2(SHW-M250S).
I found a special, but dizzy function in SGS2 on download mode.
For rooting or any other purposes, custom kernels are really necessary.
There's a problem.
SGS2 checks how many times custom kernels I flashed.
It can be checked on download mode.
How can I return these counted numbers get return to 0?
once it get cwm my guess it will bypass that crap since you dont flash in download mode.. at least i hope.
marbulas said:
Hello, I'm using Galaxy S2(SHW-M250S).
I found a special, but dizzy function in SGS2 on download mode.
For rooting or any other purposes, custom kernels are really necessary.
There's a problem.
SGS2 checks how many times custom kernels I flashed.
It can be checked on download mode.
How can I return these counted numbers get return to 0?
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Does a full flash of an entire ROM (with PIT) reset this counter?
No, it doesn't.
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Does a full flash of an entire ROM (with PIT) reset this counter?
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No, it doesn't
oh sh***!
now i'm glad i didn't flash yet.. sgs 2 still needs a lot of exploration..
How do you get to that counter? I have tried every combination I can think of in download and recovery modes, but no counter.
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How do you get to that counter? I have tried every combination I can think of in download and recovery modes, but no counter.
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Do you mean how to get in the download mode shows the counts?
Vol down + Menu(leftside of home key) + Hold(Button on right side of sgs2)
To add more to this, the counter only counts NON-Samsung kernels; it doesn't seem that it will care about non-Samsung firmwares, and doesn't count how many times you flash an ORIGINAL Samsung kernel.
... not sure if a secure kernel from Supercurio etc. will get flagged as non-official...
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To add more to this, the counter only counts NON-Samsung kernels; it doesn't seem that it will care about non-Samsung firmwares, and doesn't count how many times you flash an ORIGINAL Samsung kernel.
... not sure if a secure kernel from Supercurio etc. will get flagged as non-official...
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You're right. Good follow-up explanation.
OK,
Found it, I had gone straight to download mode from recovery.
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su
reboot download
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It seems it does not show the count that way. Interesting, but I am not worried about it. "Having Had" a custom rom, and currently using an official one should be all you need to get things done under warranty. The Yellow triangle vanishes then.
wow!, this is very interesting guys...
and certainly something new.
perhaps this is the way Samsung plans phone to track flashes and to void warranties if you go over X amount?
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OK,
Found it, I had gone straight to download mode from recovery.
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reboot download
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It seems it does not show the count that way. Interesting, but I am not worried about it. "Having Had" a custom rom, and currently using an official one should be all you need to get things done under warranty. The Yellow triangle vanishes then.
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I hope so....
AllGamer said:
wow!, this is very interesting guys...
and certainly something new.
perhaps this is the way Samsung plans phone to track flashes and to void warranties if you go over X amount?
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I really worried about that.
It will be, and it can be fetters about rooting the sgs2.
That's got it, but it's still showing download count when I go in through recovery->download mode again using Vol Down+Home+Power.
I'm a little worried about this too. But then again, 'having' custom roms in your phone doesn't mean that it's actually 'installed' does it? I can 'have' a custom rom download count of over 9000 but that doesn't mean I actually had it installed. I just had a lot of free time...
How bout when the service center said "its over 9000"
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override182 said:
How bout when the service center said "its over 9000"
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Hah, that was Funny
DBZ reference
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I think this will be a medal for all of us beta testers. Flashing dev staff on our 600euro phone and try out new , insecure optimizations for alpha and beta testing made SGS1 what it is today.If my SGS had a counter like this it would be 3 digit number for sure
Anyhow , i don't believe that counter has something to do with the warranty at all. If your phone has original kernel and rom and it is defective , thats it. If you stuck with something custom and can not go back plus a defective phone , then you have a problem. Thats pretty much the same with or without counter.
On a side note , most defective "electronics" i know of , i was able to spot the problem within the first days. Like my phones , if everything was ok for the first week or so , i have no problems at all for all their lifetime on my hands ( usually 6 months
My personal rule is to work the phone as it is for a week to see that everything is right and then start the alpha testing knowing that any problem will be caused by me not reading the instructions carefully enough ( 98% ) or the actual dev made something terrible )
Just my 2c
P.S. Maybe make a "First counter showing 100" competition in the Dev threat ? That would be great and geeky
iakovidis said:
I think this will be a medal for all of us beta testers. Flashing dev staff on our 600euro phone and try out new , insecure optimizations for alpha and beta testing made SGS1 what it is today.If my SGS had a counter like this it would be 3 digit number for sure
Anyhow , i don't believe that counter has something to do with the warranty at all. If your phone has original kernel and rom and it is defective , thats it. If you stuck with something custom and can not go back plus a defective phone , then you have a problem. Thats pretty much the same with or without counter.
On a side note , most defective "electronics" i know of , i was able to spot the problem within the first days. Like my phones , if everything was ok for the first week or so , i have no problems at all for all their lifetime on my hands ( usually 6 months
My personal rule is to work the phone as it is for a week to see that everything is right and then start the alpha testing knowing that any problem will be caused by me not reading the instructions carefully enough ( 98% ) or the actual dev made something terrible )
Just my 2c
P.S. Maybe make a "First counter showing 100" competition in the Dev threat ? That would be great and geeky
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Spoke to CF about this and he said this is a normal feature on pre-production devices, to count flashes, but that it wouldn't usually be on a shipping device.
The number is likely stored in NVRAM somewhere.. Question is where If we find out, some people will always have 0 flashes, while others will miraculously have 9999 flashes
Who the hell?
Im not too worried about the counter but.........who the hell is Chuck Norris? or is that another story?
Have any one notice this.
Used triangle away and my flash counter is 0
I wonder this has any impact for those who want to send their device for service/ warranty?
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Read the thread for Triangle Away, it explains this.
Flash the stock rom for your region.
It will revert back to normal
Sorry to hijack your thread, but i noticed mine says the same, and i havent flashed it. However i have root access, so i guess that is enough to make it "modified".
Would this go back to normal, if i unroot it?
Funnily enough, I noticed this just today on mine - mine is an original unlocked phone, all I've done is root it.
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i havent flashed it. However i have root access, so i guess that is enough to make it "modified".
Would this go back to normal, if i unroot it?
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TimmyRaa said:
I noticed this just today on mine - mine is an original unlocked phone, all I've done is root it.
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Rooting it involves an "unauthorised" flash. You need to Triangle Away, pull the battery then revert to stock... As detailed in the Triangle Away post.
Just follow these two video in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1710613
And you will be able to have your phones status say "Normal" instead of "Modified"
I just noticed this on my GNOTE II and was wondering can the service provider read this?
yes
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Nosy mother f*ckers! My device MINE NOT YOURS! Now go sit in the corner.
On a serious note though I wonder if they can or will do anything due to this state being set as Modified.
they can deny warranty. you can easily revert to stock though
I have Assurion for that. Not worried about warranty claims. I was more worried about purposely affecting my internet speeds just to be ass holes. I could see Verizon doing that just to be Verizon.
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I have Assurion for that. Not worried about warranty claims. I was more worried about purposely affecting my internet speeds just to be ass holes. I could see Verizon doing that just to be Verizon.
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oh, I thought you asked if they can read that if you send the phone to them
nah, I don't think they'll do that
sorry should have been more specific. I was meaning if they can digitally read it from their diagnostic software or whatever they have. I've never worked in a cell phone call center. Maybe I should go get a job at one just to scope out what they can and cannot find out by just a push of a button.
keep us updated
Is there like a max limit of numbers the flash counter can go upto? I see people talking about this. I'm coming from a motorola Atrix, and we never had such a thing, so I want to make sure before I root.
I want to use the toolkit to do it easily without ODIN and all so I guess my flash counter will go up one. what disadvantages does this have?
Will something like triangle away from the market reset the flash counter from our phones?
Thanks!
razorseal said:
Is there like a max limit of numbers the flash counter can go upto? I see people talking about this. I'm coming from a motorola Atrix, and we never had such a thing, so I want to make sure before I root.
I want to use the toolkit to do it easily without ODIN and all so I guess my flash counter will go up one. what disadvantages does this have?
Will something like triangle away from the market reset the flash counter from our phones?
Thanks!
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No limit. It's basically in indicator to Samsung or the repair facility whether or not you've modified the firmware in any way, and if it's clear you have it's pretty much an automatic void of your warranty if they notice it. Triangle Away does not work on the US variants from all I've read. The only disadvantage is upping your flash counter and running the chance of having a warranty claim denied as a result.
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No limit. It's basically in indicator to Samsung or the repair facility whether or not you've modified the firmware in any way, and if it's clear you have it's pretty much an automatic void of your warranty if they notice it. Triangle Away does not work on the US variants from all I've read. The only disadvantage is upping your flash counter and running the chance of having a warranty claim denied as a result.
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I found the sticky that talks about this... you say that if you root and use CWM to install ROMs, it won't trip...
what method do you use to root for the first time without tripping that number then?
is it this method here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
I ask because they said if you use ODIN, it will trip the counter if it's not official samsung rom. so then it would trip to 1, no?
razorseal said:
is it this method here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
I ask because they said if you use ODIN, it will trip the counter if it's not official samsung rom. so then it would trip to 1, no?
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Did you bother to read that thread? Yes thats the one
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Gadgetz said:
No limit. It's basically in indicator to Samsung or the repair facility whether or not you've modified the firmware in any way, and if it's clear you have it's pretty much an automatic void of your warranty if they notice it. Triangle Away does not work on the US variants from all I've read. The only disadvantage is upping your flash counter and running the chance of having a warranty claim denied as a result.
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If triangle away doesn't work now, I'm sure they'll find a way in the future. Hopefully before I have any issues.
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Gadgetz said:
Did you bother to read that thread? Yes thats the one
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read the whole dang thing
razorseal said:
read the whole dang thing
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it's pretty much in the first two sentence
djricekcn said:
it's pretty much in the first two sentence
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Even better than that, it's in the title!
Explain it to me like I'm a moron, I've tried to find out what the differences are between TMo and the others that prevents it from using this method and not tripping the counter?
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Explain it to me like I'm a moron, I've tried to find out what the differences are between TMo and the others that prevents it from using this method and not tripping the counter?
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No idea
stevessvt said:
Explain it to me like I'm a moron, I've tried to find out what the differences are between TMo and the others that prevents it from using this method and not tripping the counter?
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I don't think there's anything preventing a T-Mo phone to be rooted the same way.. someone just has to use the linked instructions to create an image based off of a T-Mobile stock rom.
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I don't think there's anything preventing a T-Mo phone to be rooted the same way.. someone just has to use the linked instructions to create an image based off of a T-Mobile stock rom.
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Reading through this thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426 they explicitly say it won't work on the tmobile t999 phone.
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Explain it to me like I'm a moron, I've tried to find out what the differences are between TMo and the others that prevents it from using this method and not tripping the counter?
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even though all the Samsung Galaxy S3 are using Ice Cream Sandwich Android OS, on top of that, they are all using Samsung altered TouchWiz. The best example I can think of to this is Windows Blind on top of Windows OS.
After that, each needs slightly different software and even hardware due to difference in operation of between each cell company + technologies + what they want and don't want and etc. Basically, they are technically the same phone but they are all slightly different, and this slight difference what makes certain roms and apps work on XXXX carrier but not on YYYY carrier.
also International and Domestic version has a entirely different processor, which is why there is Cyanogenmod and other tweaks and the USA models don't
stevessvt said:
Reading through this thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426 they explicitly say it won't work on the tmobile t999 phone.
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I couldn't seem to find it doing a search, could you link to that post please?
So I am thinking about exchanging my phone (would have to do it through samsung, because the place i bought it the time limit expired) because the pictures are horrible, I really think there is something wrong with the phone.
My question is, I am rooted, and have flashed a few roms. Can I just odin back to stock? Or is there some kind of flash counter that needs to be reset?
Thanks
Yes you can just flash back to stock but as far as resetting the counter ...I don't think there's a way yet.
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d_bot said:
So I am thinking about exchanging my phone (would have to do it through samsung, because the place i bought it the time limit expired) because the pictures are horrible, I really think there is something wrong with the phone.
My question is, I am rooted, and have flashed a few roms. Can I just odin back to stock? Or is there some kind of flash counter that needs to be reset?
Thanks
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This is the guide I used. It has all the files you need. http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-unroot/how-to-unroot-t-mobile-galaxy-s3-sgh-t999/
Depending on the method you used to root, your counter will most likely be non-Zero. Since triangle reset does not yet support the T999, your out of luck. If you bought the phone in a non Tmobile store, they normally don't check the boot loader. So your best bet is to restore stock, then do a factory reset and leave the phone on for the return, so they don't think you have messed with it. I returned mine for an exchange to a Walmart and they didn't check the boot loader. YMMV.
sfsilicon said:
This is the guide I used. It has all the files you need. http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-unroot/how-to-unroot-t-mobile-galaxy-s3-sgh-t999/
Depending on the method you used to root, your counter will most likely be non-Zero. Since triangle reset does not yet support the T999, your out of luck. If you bought the phone in a non Tmobile store, they normally don't check the boot loader. So your best bet is to restore stock, then do a factory reset and leave the phone on for the return, so they don't think you have messed with it. I returned mine for an exchange to a Walmart and they didn't check the boot loader. YMMV.
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yeah I bought mine at walmart, but it is past the 15 days dont know what to do now.....
Thanks guys
Don't worry about the counter thing... I have returned 2 android phones that were heavily modded and nothing ever happened. I did a warranty exchange with my T- mobile SGS2 about 6 months ago. I just made sure to flash it back to stock and get rid of any evidence that would make someone think I modded. Do you really think that Samsung checks every phone they get back for warranty replacement? Do you have any idea how many phones they get returned? I don't know, but I'm sure it's a butt-load! Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. FYI. This has been my experience. I cannot guarantee the same for others.
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dave2metz said:
Don't worry about the counter thing... I have returned 2 android phones that were heavily modded and nothing ever happened. I did a warranty exchange with my T- mobile SGS2 about 6 months ago. I just made sure to flash it back to stock and get rid of any evidence that would make someone think I modded. Do you really think that Samsung checks every phone they get back for warranty replacement? Do you have any idea how many phones they get returned? I don't know, but I'm sure it's a butt-load! Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. FYI. This has been my experience. I cannot guarantee the same for others.
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Thanks.
Also, for future readers, the Counter Flasher Reset (Triangle Away) now supports US versions.
Go to the thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494114
My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
caodangra said:
My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
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It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
MattMJB0188 said:
It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
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thank for the information.:good:
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thank for the information.:good:
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No problem.
There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
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There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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That is correct - some have said (those that know more than I) that tripping knox blows a Q FUSE which as I understand it is a phyisical attribute on the phone not a software attribute - - to UNDO that would be impossible without a soldering iron of somekind -)(joking) but there are tons of QFUSES avaialble from what I have read - and it seems that Samsung and maybe even the carrier tech staff have a way of "Reassigning" the QFUSE or someting - as many phones taken back for repairs are returned with Knox reset to 0.
I may be completely wrong in the way I am describing this - as I am not developer and have only read a bunch about it - much of which was way over my head - but that is my interpreation of how it works (on a very simple level)
For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
luckyduck69 said:
For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
There is currently no way to reset the Knox Warranty flag on a G900T (and most other models) once it has been set to 0x1. Triangle away does not work. Tons of threads on XDA about this, and much more discussion can be found with a simple Google search.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Don't send it in. Go to a retail store. Less chance of them checking.
hondasforlife said:
wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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caodangra said:
thank for the information.:good:
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my friend just took a GS5 back to tmobile because he basiclly bicked it and was to impatient to drop iot off at my house to fix it. They gave him a new one no questions asked and knox was tripped ..Its like they dont even care .. If you have premium handset protection it dont even matter if you trip knox . I think they would rather get a knox tripped phone rather than one that has a cracked screen ..The sales people up there only know how to do one thngand that is a factory reset to solve any and all problems .LOL.The last thing tmobile wants to do is keep you from having a phone.
T-Mobile does not check if Knox was tripped. They don't know how to check it anyways. Just make sure that if they ask, do not give an impression that the phone is rooted.
I bricked my phone & brought back to Sprint & got a new one without a problem... Thank God!
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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Some info in this thread is false, but this user explains it correctly. Triangle away is not about the Knox counter but about the Flash counter, which counts if your phone has been flashed. And on some devices it counts how many times you've flashed. I've attached a screenshot to clarify
The OP question, if triangle away works wasn't answered that i saw. I boldly tried it, with TriangeAway version 3.26 on an international SM-G900F with Polish Lollipop rom ...BNL9 version. The phone was Odin flashed with official Polish firmware to upgrade to 5.0 lollipop and then rooted with CF autoroot. And on this device TriangleAway worked! Flash counters were reset to official. Knox still tripped of course.
Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
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Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
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Triangle away will not remove it. Only way to remove it is to run 100% stock kernel
Could not someone edit the text to Kernel ready for CPUSPEEDENFORCING? Or Kernel Is too smart for the phone? P.S. Your answer was already given. I asked something else.
In an effort to reclaim the thread and keep it going (as for a question that I have as well), what is the hardware effect that the QFUSE breaking causes? My Knox was tripped before I received the phone, and the only noticeable flaw I have (not sure if it is Knox related because I received the phone by a trade) is that within my back camera pictures, I have three black spots that look like burns (snapshot attached). Could someone help me out?