Hey Im sure it may have been brought up before but I didnt find much in the search area.
I dont want a fight or two I just figured XDA Dev was all about modding/flashing/unlocking PDA/Smartphones? Why is there no free unlocking kit? Also all the paid versions go directly to the XDA forum web site and not into anyone elses pocket?
Dont misunderstand im not here to ***** about whats going on but I thought thats what this site was about - Developing -. If the site really needs help with donations and thats the whole point of this then thats fine. I just remember back in the HTC Wizard days it was all for fun.
Anyhow I'm about to e-Gay a fuze right now im pretty excited and as always keep up the good work XDA
best regards,
eddy
wrong subforum, and this HAS been gone over 100s of times, so why did you even bother posting this useless thread?
have you tried here?
Yeah I visited that website but it doesn't mention that its going towards the forums. Is it going 100% towards the developer? I know it says Donation I was just wondering. If the developer wants money for the software thats fine if people want the phone unlocked they will pay it.
I was just asking this because Its always been a free community from what I remember.
best regards,
eddy
*shrug* They have good rules, I like em.
1) If you give back to the community, they give you it for free -- so if you're a 'developer' or just plain help, they help you
2) SIM locked or locked, most apps don't care what SIM card is in there
From what I saw from the thread, they just want to charge 'free loading' users for their work, while still allowing community members/participants free services.
Props to them, IMO, They gave me a free unlock and I still donated.
am not really sure if you get the idea or the concept of developing an idea. but im pretty sure youd agree that any developer can do whatever they wish with what they develop irregardless of whatever community you can enumerate. unfortunately, the developer as he says:
"you want a free SIM Unlock right? well tough ****, there's no such thing as a free lunch... if you want to get something, you need to give something."
the developer has developed a sim unlocker for free for the the hermes (of which i have used) and probably its about time he gets compensated for what he deserves.
Tough **** indeed.
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am not really sure if you get the idea or the concept of developing an idea. but im pretty sure youd agree that any developer can do whatever they wish with what they develop irregardless of whatever community you can enumerate. unfortunately, the developer as he says:
"you want a free SIM Unlock right? well tough ****, there's no such thing as a free lunch... if you want to get something, you need to give something."
the developer has developed a sim unlocker for free for the the hermes (of which i have used) and probably its about time he gets compensated for what he deserves.
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Anyone fool enough to talk to potential customers in that manner deserves NOTHING. If he's that much of a jerk in general, what's going to happen when you need customer service? Is someone that speaks to the public in that manner someone you wish to trust?
There are cheaper solutions on ebay and they won't treat you like garbage.
This has been discussed several times.
BTW. Olipro has unlocked a whole lot of devices, most of them for free, he developed custom SPLs which allow us to flash any ROM to almost any device.
The so called Hard-SPLs always have been provided for free.
Which is amazing, this will allow us to truly customize our devices, be grateful for that, there are only few who can accomplish this patching of the bootloaders, and make flashing relatively safe!
Mostly the n00bs and the non-contributers have been *****ing @ him, mainly because lately the SIM unlock isn't free for them.
And this is something I don't understand: if you buy a locked phone it is heavily subsidized, you pay less for the device BECAUSE it is locked.
The small donation that is asked for the non contributing part of the community is peanuts in regards to the actual cost of a non-cloked device.
So even if you have to pay for the unlock: your device is still way cheaper than if you bought the unlocked device to start with.
Olipro's unlock method works even if the carrier relocked the device, you can't say that from the code sellers (they have only the HTC codes, not the carrier codes if they changed it).
And it also gives you the opportunity to secure-unlock the device and change the CID.
Nobody else is offering this.
I'm new to the forums, but I've been keeping an eye on the X2 bootloader issue for a while and haven't seen this suggestion come up yet, so I thought I'd give it a try. Is there a way we could use distributive processing to crack the bootloader? It would take years for a single computer to crack it, but if we got a few hundred or thousand people to download a program that worked at it, would it be possible to unlock it that way?
I'm not the best with this kind of stuff so I don't have a clue if this would actually work, but if it would, it might be a good way to solve our problems.
Does anyone know if this is possible? Has anyone attempted to write a program like this before?
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I'm new to the forums, but I've been keeping an eye on the X2 bootloader issue for a while and haven't seen this suggestion come up yet, so I thought I'd give it a try. Is there a way we could use distributive processing to crack the bootloader? It would take years for a single computer to crack it, but if we got a few hundred or thousand people to download a program that worked at it, would it be possible to unlock it that way?
I'm not the best with this kind of stuff so I don't have a clue if this would actually work, but if it would, it might be a good way to solve our problems.
Does anyone know if this is possible? Has anyone attempted to write a program like this before?
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although it may be possible it would still take awhile to not only run the program but to also write the program. plus all of the computers would have to be linked somehow so that they worked on seperate parts/ not work on finished part. it can be a PLAUSIBLE idea though if moto is gunna be douches for a while to come -___-
I posted this same question not long ago in a similar this forum. Look for the one that says "bootloader question not an unlock."
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The only way this is going to have an ounce of a chance of happening is, we need to keep hounding both Motorola and Verizon.
Bombard their support with calls/emails, demanding to unlock the bootloader and release an ICS upgrade for the X2.
I've emailed Motorola support at least 20 times now, constantly explaining my position. The next step is to call them as well.
Please remember, BE CIVIL! Do not get belligerent, nasty and avoid cursing. Keep the email/call tactful because being immature about it won't help you. Explain your position and why you feel that what they are doing is not right and that as a consumer, you demand support for a phone that is not even a year old, but appears to have been all but abandoned by the company.
No developer is throwing us a bone. At least, I'm not holding out hope on that one.
Oh, and by "developer" I mean those at Motorola. The devs releasing ROMs are throwing us more than a bone and they are a godsend compared to what Motorola and Verizon are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22224030&postcount=4
Sadly it isn't so easy. Believe me, were it so easy, there would be a lot more unlocked bootloaders. Not a bad idea, but in practice, its just not practical.
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iBolski said:
The only way this is going to have an ounce of a chance of happening is, we need to keep hounding both Motorola and Verizon.
Bombard their support with calls/emails, demanding to unlock the bootloader and release and ICS upgrade for the X2.
I've emailed Motorola support at least 20 times now, constantly explaining my position. The next step is to call them as well.
Please remember, BE CIVIL! Do not get belligerent, nasty and avoid cursing. Keep the email/call tactful because being immature about it won't help you. Explain your position and why you feel that what they are doing is not right and that as a consumer, you demand support for a phone that is not even a year old, but appears to have been all but abandoned by the company.
No developer is throwing us a bone. At least, I'm not holding out hope on that one.
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At this point, this may realistically be our only option. I'm game.
Hey all,
I've been a lurker for a while, been looking for a way to encourage the now Google-owned Motorola Mobility to unlock their bootloaders much like HTC has wisely done, but it's becoming more and more obvious to me that they don't care about the "minority" of us that actually feels as though we are entitled to full admin rights on our phones that we either paid a ton of cash for, or signed a lengthy contract to obtain. Verizon is the one blocking it? HTC found a way, and so can Motorola Mobility...that is cop-out.
My proposal is that there be an effort to unlocked the bootloader, I am not some expert programmer, and I am open to whatever will help the cause. I know there was a bounty on it, but to me this isn't about money, I'll donate time, money, information ripped from my phone if it, in some way, contributes to unlocked that bootloader. Even if you need my unused CPU cycles to calculate things, I don't care, just tell me what I can to do help, because I am sick of not being able to use my phone to it's fully potential.
Maybe I am being naive, but I believe if we all worked together we could accomplish this goal. If you agree, please, let's organize and figure this out!
-Joshua
I love optimism
I'm down with the movement...
This phone does have mad potential to be so limited compared to other phones.
I just can't believe that we are running an unofficial, incomplete version of CM7 and it runs smoother than stock Blur.
Is that telling you something about Motorola?
Do you guys think Google will make that decision for Motorola or will Moto stay the same?
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Worth a try...
Re: Google changing Moto policy
I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
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I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
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i love your optimism i have some old pms that may help with the effort
SHA-1 brute force can be cracked for around $2 of Amazon cloud computing service.
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/r...for-2-10-with-amazons-cloud-service-20101122/
Isn't boot loader use SHA-1 encryption?
(of course, the key may be much longer, but it may not be impossible for cheap. I say try to pool together like $100 and try Amazon cloud computing a try?)
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hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
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hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
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i can def send you them, idk how much help theyll be
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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In one of the many threads concerning bootloader unlocks, I believe the chances of us finding it were determined to be 1mill:1. It would take us over a decade to manually come up with the key. I don't want to kill confidence, but I'd like to keep things relatively rational.
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Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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it's been established that brute forcing is nearly impossible, not completely impossible
it is something that would take an insane amount of resources to accomplish , and/or time ,
it would really come down to "how lucky are we?" really, as in::: how lucky are we that we stumble across or know a genius that can crack it, stumble across needed files, etc...
good luck to all who try, I wish I could do anything to get us there, but I don't know the first thing when it comes to this stuff, don't give up the dream!
Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
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Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
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There was some kind of crazy algorithm applied to each character to generate the correct item for each number of the key, correct? We would have to come up with that too?
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THANK YOU! Finally ... a revived movement. I pledged $100 on another thread and I'm good for putting it toward an unlocked bootloader again!
To learn from one of the most influential groups of our generation ... anonymous utilizes botnets to pool computing resources ... if we get a tool that could function similarly, could we not pool 1000s of computers together to crack it faster? It would make what is not feasible for a small set of computers to do... feasible. If all most users have to do is download a tool that gives us access to processing power and bandwidth ... users will download the hell out of it.
Count me in.
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Hope
I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
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I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
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sir, did you get my pms?
Re: PMs
Nope, just saw them, thanks for that!
So from what I understand, either HTC or AT&T has plans of dicking over the populous when it comes to the bootloader. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't have any updates on the issue so i don't know if it's happened yet or not. In any case, if you end up in a situation where you cannot obtain the unlock token from HTC for the bootloader, try out Unlock Phone Bootloader by Unlock Root. I personally have used Unlock Root time and time again to root and unroot my old LG MyTouch and my husband's Q with no issues. No need to use command prompt. Just plug in your phone to your comp, enable USB debugging and hit start once the program is on it way. I completely forgot about the bootloader program during the whole process of obtaining drivers and getting ADB and what not. I only remembered just now becaue I'm fixing to root my phone and wanted to see if Unlock Root supported our phone. It's new to the US market, but not the international. So I didn't use the Unlock Bootloader. But, if i ever have to turn this phone in for whatever horrible reason, I'll keep this in mind for myself.
Anyways, Get the program. Give it a shot. It's literally really easy to use. No drivers and command prompts and the like. I'm about to root my phone with the UR program, if it's supported. Have fun. And post if the UB program was actually a success.
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Not sure if serious or Spam....
gunnyman said:
Not sure if serious or Spam....
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Sure looks like an effing ad to me!
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Hogwash. OP should know better than to post methods not tested on the device in discussion.
SPAM
You cannot use the same partition hacks that were used on the previous HTC models.
Awe sh!t the big guns have shown up!
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droidiac13 said:
Awe sh!t the big guns have shown up!
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Well sites like that steal our hard work and monetize it.
designgears said:
SPAM
You cannot use the same partition hacks that were used on the previous HTC models.
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Not spam clowns. I'm that good at selling a product. Do what you want, it was a suggestion. I said try it. If it worked, post it so others will know and feel comfortable trying it out. Or don't try it. I could give ZERO ***** what you do.
And by the way, this OP says you can't know if something works if you don't test it first. Someone has to test it. Just like trying out a new hack, or ROM or even an app, is all testing. You know, that thing called Beta testing? But what do I know, right? I've only been Rooting and romming for 2.5 years.
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Well sites like that steal our hard work and monetize it.
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And Oh Nos for someone taking the time to make a program that compiles all the "hard work" into one place and makes it easier for many to root their devices, especially those who run into issues like getting ADB to sync on their comps or figure out what SDK files to use. And "bad developer" for charging a fee for their hard work in making said program. Some people ask for donations. You pay for full version apps in the Play Store when you really like the Lite versions. Bad, Bad developer for embracing capitalism. Providing a service and charging a fee. But wait! Unlock Phone and Unlock Root are both FREE unless your phone falls under some special circumstance that requires the "full version".
oooooooo kayyyyyyyyy
gunnyman said:
oooooooo kayyyyyyyyy
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Exactly.
whitetiger_0603 said:
And Oh Nos for someone taking the time to make a program that compiles all the "hard work" into one place and makes it easier for many to root their devices, especially those who run into issues like getting ADB to sync on their comps or figure out what SDK files to use. And "bad developer" for charging a fee for their hard work in making said program. Some people ask for donations. You pay for full version apps in the Play Store when you really like the Lite versions. Bad, Bad developer for embracing capitalism. Providing a service and charging a fee. But wait! Unlock Phone and Unlock Root are both FREE unless your phone falls under some special circumstance that requires the "full version".
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Its a shame you've been rooting and romming that long yet you're still such a noob, not to phones but to the community in general.
No one is against capital at least not the ones you directed that at in this thread.
If I donate my time to build something that I release for free, because I want to do something for the community, and then someone else decides to use my work and my code and sell it for profit, that's stealing my work and selling it as their own.
All that aside I just plain don't like things such as these because people who couldn't find the instructions and run ADB or use the sdk don't need to be unlocking their bootloaders.
I spend a few hours a night teaching users how to use ADB and fastboot, helping with remote troubleshooting. I also spend a couple more hours answering questions. I could easily charge a small fee send them a script or remotely do it for them and cut them loose. But I enjoy this community and the more people who learn the fundamentals the better the community is. The last thing I want to do is capitalize on something which has the ill effect of me surrounding myself with a bunch of uneducated helpless noobs who will screw things up royally, because a large portion of those users will commit warranty or insurance fraud simply because they don't have the ability to pull a logcat.
I'm a greedy bastard I put in about 70 hours a week with my businesses so I can work my way to the top. I have no problem with capitalism. But there is a place for ethics in capitalism and without it, things go downhill.
I didn't mean to sound to harsh, but when I know the sacrifices some of the people like beaups and jcase have made such as spending thousands of dollars on hardware to get the process to a point its safe and anyone who can read directions can achive unlock, it irks me to see someone jump on their case or put quotation marks to insinuate their hard work is something other than coming home from the real job and sacrificing sleep, family, and social obligations just to better the community as a whole.
I know you didn't realize the hornets nest you were about to uncover, and I hope readers realize I don't have malicious intent.
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whitetiger_0603 said:
So from what I understand, either HTC or AT&T has plans of dicking over the populous when it comes to the bootloader. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I don't have any updates on the issue so i don't know if it's happened yet or not. In any case, if you end up in a situation where you cannot obtain the unlock token from HTC for the bootloader, try out Unlock Phone Bootloader by Unlock Root. I personally have used Unlock Root time and time again to root and unroot my old LG MyTouch and my husband's Q with no issues. No need to use command prompt. Just plug in your phone to your comp, enable USB debugging and hit start once the program is on it way. I completely forgot about the bootloader program during the whole process of obtaining drivers and getting ADB and what not. I only remembered just now becaue I'm fixing to root my phone and wanted to see if Unlock Root supported our phone. It's new to the US market, but not the international. So I didn't use the Unlock Bootloader. But, if i ever have to turn this phone in for whatever horrible reason, I'll keep this in mind for myself.
Anyways, Get the program. Give it a shot. It's literally really easy to use. No drivers and command prompts and the like. I'm about to root my phone with the UR program, if it's supported. Have fun. And post if the UB program was actually a success.
Link to site: http://unlockroot.com/
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A) wont work on this phone, if it does then its just grabbing a token from HTC and unlocking like another chinese program out there is doing
B) its a thief's program, stealing work from people like me.
jcase said:
A) wont work on this phone, if it does then its just grabbing a token from HTC and unlocking like another chinese program out there is doing
B) its a thief's program, stealing work from people like me.
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c) thread closed and link removed.