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is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
also i would like to say i respect ever one for there work personal or public ......
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with throwing out a teaser. It's like the 'Coming Attractions' at the movies. If you don't like them, just show up 15 minutes after the movie's supposed to start.
Unless every chef uses a diffrent theme each time, every screenshot is going to look the same. I can understand if someone is planning to roll out a new taskbar or something and it may not be cooperatiing, a screenshot may be a nice placeholder for its followers... but really, a screenshot is always going to be the same picture as all the others.
I think it is helpful for the chefs that are soliciting input on what to include in pending ROMS so that they can appeal to the masses. It does seem a bit odd however, to post a "Placeholder" for something without description or any request for input. However, it seems a small price to pay for getting to use the work and talents of others.
I do make some flashing decisions based on pending releases. For example, NATF should be close to his 5.0 release so I am waiting to flash that. (I don't know why we ever let him buy a house - A real productivity killer)
I guess you always have the option of simply not reading the "In Development" posts.
Doug M.
I certainly concur in this thought process. As AdamNimrod said, unless you are providing a ridiculously new look or program or UI, OR if you are a seasoned chef who has been contributing for many many releases and have a large following.... there should be no teasers.
Most of the up and comming noob chefs out there are using Da_G's kitchen. Which means, out of the box, most Roms are looking identical. Just a couple tweaks here and there, such as the wallpaper. We arent seeing any new chefs who offer a groudbreaking earth shattering new rom.
The roms we see out there now have taken lots and lots of time, and tweaking and calibrating from the chefs, to be what they are. But when a new chef comes on the scene and states they have an awesome new rom, and it turns out to be identical to one released 4 days ago... its discouraging. However, on the flip side, even to the guy who releases a basic rom Im in debted, because I cant cook a rom to save my life. I just flash any and every rom and subsequent release, in the quest for the perfect rom!
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is it me or is it very annoying to see all these post about roms that are not released yet or wont be released for a week or two or three .....i mean at least a screen shot ...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....is there any way to control this or rules to posting a new rom ......hope i dont sound stupid
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Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Im not sure if this is what he means.. but i find it abit hard to wade through some of the posts when trying to read up on roms and such... if only there was a page that listed all the roms and stages and such..... o O ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs or http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.5_ROMs ) too bad.. it doesn't seem like the one for 6.5 is used...
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Oops, forgot abou that, added mine for good measure
IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
I agree.
Mods - Why can't we have a different section for teasers/quizzes/input-gathering-roms?
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...or how about people using kitchen to cook a personal rom that taste like sh*t....
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That's actually why I don't cook & release ROMs. The way I see it, I'm using a tool that is available to everyone that visits the site, and unless I have something ground-breaking to offer, I'll let those that do contribute in that way. I will continue to try and find other ways to contribute, and cook ROMs for my own personal use. I have had a few people PM me & tell me they'd like to try one of my ROMs, but I wonder what makes them think that my ROM is any better than anyone elses? I don't have half the technical know-how of the chefs here. The tools provided on this site make it so easy for a n00b to feel like a pro - and really, that's all I am - a Senior n00b.
But I still appreciate the work that ALL the chefs, even the new ones, put into their work, and how they do what they can to assist those who decide to flash their ROMs. I'd much rather be the guy that goes around and helps out where he can.
So at any rate, I don't think there's anything wrong with generating anticipation for a new ROM release, though I do appreciate the point that if it's not offering something new & exciting, that it could be a disappointing read. Fortunately, such threads are clearly labeled, and can be ignored.
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is it me...
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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+1 completely agree with you.
Just for an example NRG is missing for the last few days however couple of days back he had posted a lot teaser pics on what he is working on. So every one knows that something big is coming next and anxiously waiting for it even though there is no release date.
I do fine a little useless to teasers without any pics and without a release date but like others said in this thread, i will just ignore it and move on and probably wont be coming back to those threads.
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I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with throwing out a teaser. It's like the 'Coming Attractions' at the movies. If you don't like them, just show up 15 minutes after the movie's supposed to start.
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very true but even those have screen shots
Knumb said:
Get over it.......Don't read the post then.....I agree with Farmer ted; it's like a teaser and keeps you interested. Just my 2 cents...
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
barrydavisjr said:
IMO, They are the chefs let them determine how to set up the menu. I would rather see a placeholder with what they may be including on it to decide whether or not i will flash it. They could be worse, the threads would look like howardforums threads.
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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No bro, it's not you. Those empty threads always make me think "why didn't this guy wait til he actually had something?" It is a waste of time and more importantly space on the first page of the forum. I personally always rate those threads low. I'm not recommending everyone do the same, but the option is there.
Half the time we hear a chef ask "tell me what you want" only to have tens of contradictory requests anyway. The other half of the time a chef says "This is MY personal ROM configured to MY liking. If you like it and want to use it great, if not don't bother." So I don't see the point of having a teaser. (not that I'm criticizing either style, I respect both. Just no place for teasers.) Besides, I've even seen teasers that NEVER get anywhere past that.
If you cooked your own ROM and you like it, chances are someone else will too. If you're bringing in the latest stuff from whatever device you ported it, that's exciting. If you're just announcing your intentions, well you haven't really done anything have you?
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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very true but even those have screen shots
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but some teaser should have more than " look i know how to use my camera " movies...i understand some people can use a kicthen but damn clone roms is what ill call them
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and most of the people doing this constantly have to tweak there roms every day
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this is exactly what i am saying but in better words ...kudos to you my friend.....there honestly should just be a teaser section
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
but i do understand every ones look on it , and appreciate the replies ...but i hope this just pushes for more original work and to try to keep in mind that millions could be reading your post i screen shot or a new teaser section with rom info with a good screen shot of where people are going with it
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That was a quadruple post - learn to multi-quote, friend .
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i knew i was going to get blasted for that i deserved it
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First things first. I have always wondered how people quoted multiple times, thanks for giving me the term to search for!
just my .02; I dont have a problem with teasers at all but it does get old when a teaser is posted and nothing comes out for weeks or even months. With all due respect to the Chefs out there that can do alot more than I; If you're that far from release, wait to post the teaser so people dont lose interest by the time it comes out.
MOD EDIT: JUST TO CLARIFY. WHILE THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND WORTHY OF BEING TEMPORARILY STUCK, THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED XDA SITE AND SHOULD BE USED AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Thats right!
Im offering free hosting to anyone who is creating ROMS, themes, etc
All you have to do is send me an message telling me your interest and i will set up a sub domain and ftp access
my server has unlimited space and bandwidth
Now that is a really generous offer.
Nice one
you are the best !!
i'm in the process of making a new ROM, and will contact you soon
thanks a lot..
What a nice chap
Is that server located in the USA? I'm guessing by your location...
I have a server in the UK that can also be used if desired. It's only 4GB in storage, but I doubt custom ROM's would take up that much space.
Not meaning to take over your thread however, sorry!
The server is in Toronto, the speed may not be the best for all my european friends here but i doubt it's going to be horrible.
The fact i got unlimited space and bw will give them the opportunity to even make a webpage if they want, forums for bugs and stuff.. the're own little portal if they want.
Heh nice! A couple of counter-strike:source servers whilst you at it? Joking.... or am i? no seriously just kidding.
thats hilarious
people still play that game? meh im a console guy anyways!
bump for an awsome offer
Remember, you can use this to host your own domain (if you have one) create your own website, SQL, SSL, everything you need!
Take advantage of this!
Wow thats amazing offer dude
(dont make roms, but just thought deffonatly worth a thankyou not just from the makers, but from the people who will be downloading from it too!)
Gotten a few more, keep them coming!
haha, thanks again btw, been uploading shiz to it already. I am QUITE tempted to host a proxy....with http uploading...
i might, take a look at the site in my sig.. its for themes, and il make new themes once 2.1 sense is released
but yea i could use a host that lets me use my own domain!
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i might, take a look at the site in my sig.. its for themes, and il make new themes once 2.1 sense is released
but yea i could use a host that lets me use my own domain!
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just let me know with a pm
bumping for all these new ROMs out there that might need a home
This is awesome work! I am sure ROM builders and Theme designers would love this offer. I can't wait to see VillainROM taking advantage of your offer.
kriEv,
Sent a PM regarding this offer. A very good one, and I'm sure more ROMs will be glad to take you up, especially if it means no more waiting on hosting sites and faffing around...
Cheers,
pulser
EDIT, and BTW, for the poster above me, I will be likely looking to host some mods for villainROM such as (hopefully) JIT for a stock build etc. and maybe some themes requested by users. The end idea to make a 'mini-kitchen' to store the mini update.zips, then folks can come along and help themselves to some ingredients for their ROM.
At some point, if anyone with scripting experience wanted to come onboard, we could look at making a kitchen, although I guess that would put significant load on the server, which would not really be fair on kriEv... So maybe best to just stick to a DIY kitchen unless anyone has any ideas for the 'drive-through'
Temporarily stuck to get the word out. Thanks for being so generous kriEv!
Vexxhost by any chance?
Hi all, i am also providimg free image hosting for your screenshot for maximum 3 year You may use it at http://www.apadmedia.com/photosharing
Why free? I just want the extra space to be fully utilize.
Thanks
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I had few days ago lots of problems with downloading new roms.
They are all on file hosts.
So when there are lots of downloaders download is slow.
Werry slow.
Why dont you upload your roms on some torrent tracker?
or make your own tracker and let the donloaders seed your rom for you.
Mutch better speeds is what you get.
Because seeding is a hit or miss. Some roms may not have enough seeders and your seed count will reset after every update
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA
Hmm.
But i think would be more hit.
Lot of people have a root server or seedbox.
And when not fast upload from home.
So why not.
Ok there are more reasons then speed.
Is there eny file host which gives better speeds?
I've never really had a problem with where dev's host their files. Dropbox is usually fast and there is always someone who mirrors the file if traffic gets a little busy
the question really is....do the devs need to put their ROMs on torrent websites (which are being closed down one by one)
There have hardly been any problems from the direct download websites except when everybody rushes like a stampede to download the latest ROMs. Dropbox, goo.im along with other hosting sites seem fine
Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
There really isn't a strong enough demand per release to require alleviation of server bandwidth from the android file website. At least not for the 3D. From what I'm tracking, releases come too rapidly on many ROMs, only counting hits of little over a hundred.
Still a good idea though.
If there is a ROM you are having trouble downloading. I don't mind mirroring it for you. It'll take me 30 min to upload it to Dev Host since the upload cap. I never have problems downloading from Dev host as well. Feel free to pm me if that's the case.
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA
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Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
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oh i didnt mean to say that....but hey i didnt know it works for linux distributions but its definitely an idea for the devs...depends how convenient/inconvenient it is for them
+ theres the seeding issue because if everyone downloads from direct download links, who's to seed it to the torrent tracker
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Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
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The reason is time, time to upload it and time to get seeders, linux distributions are far and few between in comparison to the amount of time a rom might receive an update.
If anyone of the seeders wants to use their internet connection for online gaming or such then they would shut down their torrent client.
I agree it could be more practical if it were organised properly, speed over torrents is decent but it's impractical to think that it will just happen and that people will seed all the time.
FTP and decent file sharing servers is the way forward, so long as they're not completely full of adware you'll be fine.
Doesn't XDA have it's own FTP site? For Roms?
V1.0 IS HERE
Features
Based on Senseless V4.1.0
Lots of Init.d Scripts and Tweaks
Smooth UI (Scrolling)
Intergrated Widgets (HTC Standard)
Image Quality Raised for Weather Notifications
Launcher Modified for Larger Grid Size
OTA Updates (Coming Soon)
ReJigged Setup.apk
Juwes Ram Tweaks included.
Extended Power Menu
Intergrated Battery Life Tweaks
Custom Boot Animation
Screenshots
Changelog
V1.0
Initial Release
ANY REQUESTS PLEASE ASK
Download Centre
Download Links and Mirrors
Version 1 Download
Bugs and Fixes
No Bugs Reported yet.
Hopefully never Will be ;
Uh...I think you misplaced your links pal.
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Uh...I think you misplaced your links pal.
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Nope not yet, still uploading Just getting the ground work in
Ok just out of curiosity why make the posts if you don't have links? I can't understand it....
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Ok just out of curiosity why make the posts if you don't have links? I can't understand it....
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Just saves a bit of time and its just my strange way of doing things
What's the difference between this rom and senseless v4.1.1
Sense? :laugh::silly:
I'm unable to get the same speed as the senseless ROM however I believe it is much faster than stock
Do people still want it?
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i will give it a try
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I'm unable to get the same speed as the senseless ROM however I believe it is much faster than stock
Do people still want it?
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Personally yes, thank you...
Of course we want it
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Ok just out of curiosity why make the posts if you don't have links? I can't understand it....
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Agreed. The OP should be complete when it's OP'ed... Kinda rude to say "... IS HERE" when it's not...
\\Carved into this thread with my RAZR//
http://android-gz.com
Come on, take it easy, some OP s started collecting money before even showing a line; )
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Come on, take it easy, some OP s started collecting money before even showing a line; )
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Take it easy? We aren't being harsh. There was no point in posting before you had a link other then try and get attention for yourself. It was pointless and as to saving time he could have typed it up using preview and then saved it on to his computer. We were just pointing out that he didn't need to post it yet, and it doesn't really make sense too. If he had wanted to get feedback and ask for opinions then maybe he should post something in general.
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Take it easy? We aren't being harsh. There was no point in posting before you had a link other then try and get attention for yourself. It was pointless and as to saving time he could have typed it up using preview and then saved it on to his computer. We were just pointing out that he didn't need to post it yet, and it doesn't really make sense too. If he had wanted to get feedback and ask for opinions then maybe he should post something in general.
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I have already got a link, its just my Dev-Host account got suspended for too much bandwidth usage :/
I am working on getting this resolved via contacting Dev-Host on twitter, they seem to have an IP Block on me for some reason, hopefully will be resolved shortly.
@WadeGeek, this wasn't a silly attempt to get attention, maybe you should get to know what people are like before you start making wild allegations.
To the others i am working to get this resolved and sorry for the delay, i wrote the OP when i was uploading the file last night, however the link failed.
I would upload to another site but DevHost usually works well and allows me to keep track of how many DL's etc.
What has less of a point, setting a place aside for a future link or posting to complain about it?
Either way to argue about it is pointless, it is the op's thread to do as he likes. If people take issue with it take it to the mods. Personally I think it is pretty ****ty that both of his threads have less than friendly post on the first page when all he is trying to do is learn how to develop and share his work
My two cents
Version 1
OK, so version 1 is up and my account is unblocked so its downloadable.
Please give em your opinions and requests and this will make it much easier and quicker for me to iron any issues out
I had to re-upload the file :/ but its thee now SORRY FOR THE DELAYS
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What has less of a point, setting a place aside for a future link or posting to complain about it?
Either way to argue about it is pointless, it is the op's thread to do as he likes. If people take issue with it take it to the mods. Personally I think it is pretty ****ty that both of his threads have less than friendly post on the first page when all he is trying to do is learn how to develop and share his work
My two cents
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LOL!!!
Op says there's sense in the rom, others say there's no sense in this thread and you say your 2 cents
Bitdroid - Home | Bitroid - Tracker | Bitdroid - Forum
Introducing Bitdroid! The dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs!
After a couple of weeks of trial-and-error, I have finally got a torrent tracker site setup and running for Android ROM developers; a place for them to create and track a torrent for their ROMs.
Why use a torrent tracker like Bitdroid.org versus regular download links? Easy: better flow of download traffic, which equates to faster downloads!
Peer-2-Peer, or P2P, (torrents in this case) are better for high-flow traffic compared to normal HTTP (sites like Mediafire) or FTP. In HTTP or FTP, users can only download, and it's only from a single server. The more people downloading a file from a single server, the slower the download for everybody on that server requesting the same file. This is not the case for P2P connections. Every user that's downloading, downloads from another user. All of the users download are also uploading to other users, so the traffic is not coming from a single source. It is coming from many sources, alleviating slow downloads, enabling higher traffic. P2P is a much superior way to distribute large files (such as Android ROMs).
So where did this idea come from? After the release of several popular ROMs, I saw people complaining about slow download speeds, and having to upload to several different download mirrors for others to download at a fast pace again, until those became "clogged" for a while as well. P2P, as previously mentioned, would have alleviated this and reduced (or even eliminated) the need for several HTTP / FTP mirrors. HTTP download links could still be provided, but torrent links could also be provided to help alleviate high traffic, congested downloads.
P2P also allows tracking and stats of an individual download. Each file is tracked by the amount of seeders (people uploading), leechers (people downloading), and total downloads.
I've searched, and I couldn't find a dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs; I could only find trackers for general use, or other specific uses (movies, games, etc.), of which not all of these are completely safe due to concern of possible copyrighted content. With Bitdroid, only Android ROMs are allowed, and it is preferred that the original developer of the ROM uploads the file (or with permission from the developer, a 3rd-party user could upload the ROM). Since Android is open-source, there aren't any legal concerns of piracy and such due the open-source licensing of the Android OS.
For an added layer of "security" only an approved member group is allowed to upload files. You must be manually added to the group before being able to upload torrents, to try and further discourage potential piracy or unauthorized uploading of ROMs.
I currently have a splash-page setup, that links to the actual tracker, as well as a forum (work-in-progress).
If you're a developer or know a developer, please sign up on the torrent tracker and/or forum and I can get you setup to upload your torrents, and don't forget to spread the word!
If you have any questions or comments, please either post here or on the website! Come and check it out!
Note: I have permission from both YZ and af974 to post this.
So nice I been waiting for this for so long. Thanks a lot
The majority of devs don't want their roms on torrents.
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The majority of devs don't want their roms on torrents.
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Why exactly is that reasoning? It's not illegal, and its a tracker for only android ROMs. Download stats could also be viewed which can be a little bonus if the dev was wondering how many downloads they were getting.. Torrents > HTTP / FTP for mass distribution of large files.
We have full control over the links.
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We have full control over the links.
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Elaborate please. You have control over the links on a tracker as well. Its setup so you can delete the torrent if you really want to.
Like I said.. P2P > HTTP / FTP.
Devs don't only have to distribute via Torrent either... can still have HTTP / FTP mirrors for users that don't want to use a torrent client.
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So nice I been waiting for this for so long. Thanks a lot
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No problem. I've been waiting for one too, and couldn't find one so I decided to bite the bullet.
don't let the haters get you down.
I want to assure you the initial negative feedback and opposition is generally a common experience among anyone pitching a new idea that hasn't really been done yet.
I mean, what did you expect to hear?
'yeah! do it!' or 'why didn't I think of that? you're genius is astonishing!' No. Naturally our ego's tell us to reply with 'why I haven't done that yet, and won't', or 'big hurdle I foresee'.
So, make like a nike, and just do it!
Believe me, after watching a few of my favorite devs in the vivow community lose past versions of roms they had stored and backed up forever (almost*) lost with the goo.im epic fail recently. They wish they used torrents instead of having control over the downloads with just one server.
Don't let the haters get you down. The only reason they hate on you is because they don't want to like you, but they do.
Good luck!
agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
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agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
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MD5.
I, also, have been waiting ages for this. Glad to see it finally coming to fruition.
Been waiting on this. I hope devs hop abroad. There's potential pitfalls of course but the outcome could be good.
Synergized GS3
guystyles said:
I want to assure you the initial negative feedback and opposition is generally a common experience among anyone pitching a new idea that hasn't really been done yet.
I mean, what did you expect to hear?
'yeah! do it!' or 'why didn't I think of that? you're genius is astonishing!' No. Naturally our ego's tell us to reply with 'why I haven't done that yet, and won't', or 'big hurdle I foresee'.
So, make like a nike, and just do it!
Believe me, after watching a few of my favorite devs in the vivow community lose past versions of roms they had stored and backed up forever (almost*) lost with the goo.im epic fail recently. They wish they used torrents instead of having control over the downloads with just one server.
Don't let the haters get you down. The only reason they hate on you is because they don't want to like you, but they do.
Good luck!
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Oh I'm not letting them get me down. I just want actual opinions and reasons as to why they don't think it's a good idea, not any stereotypical-XDA "*****ing like little kids" posts. I want constructive criticism, or actual reasons as to why people don't think it's a good idea.
nrfitchett4 said:
agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
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Torrents are very stable. They download tiny pieces at a time (few MB if that) and then verify it. If the piece fails a hash check, then it's disposed of an re-downloaded from users. I've had this happen to me a few times, and you can see in your torrent client that X amount of pieces have failed hash checks. IMO, it's MUCH more stable and safe than HTTP / FTP. I VERY rarely ever get a bad download from torrents since each piece is hash checked.
As far as using the good hosting site... yes, it can be stable for less people, but what about when they first release a ROM and they're a popular dev? They have how many people downloading from a SINGLE link, until people upload more mirrors (which get buried in the mass posting spree anyway). I got the idea for this after watching this go down in the Viper ROM thread. Tons of people were complaining about slow downloads, and a bunch of people had to post mirrors. Instead of doing that... why not just use torrents and avoid the hassle of waiting for external mirrors from random people? I could say the same thing about being leary about flashing a ROM from an external mirror from somebody other than the dev... they could have corrupted it, inserted malware, etc..
GrayTheWolf said:
MD5.
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This. Include a text file with the torrent, or in the description, containing the MD5 sum. It's NO different at all than a normal download other than potential for faster downloads if a lot of users are using it. When less users are using it... go back to the HTTP download if the torrent isn't fast enough.
blestsol said:
Been waiting on this. I hope devs hop abroad. There's potential pitfalls of course but the outcome could be good.
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Thanks. I'm hoping devs do hop on because IMO it could become quite successful.
Help spread the word if you like! I may make a smaller sig banner button if people want one, so they can put it in their sigs to help spread the word to devs.
I like this idea. I feel like Devs may not jump on it right away (although they should) but will definitely be successful later on. I have used many many torrents (for things like anime etc) and they are very successful. I believe i have also never had a bad download from a torrent. Speeds can be somewhat iffy (the only problem i may see) because i feel like many users here would not want to always be sharing their speeds. Many big open source linux clients however still have good speeds always. This could be because they have a few dedicated seeders, but I'm not sure.
Reaper0294 said:
I like this idea. I feel like Devs may not jump on it right away (although they should) but will definitely be successful later on. I have used many many torrents (for things like anime etc) and they are very successful. I believe i have also never had a bad download from a torrent. Speeds can be somewhat iffy (the only problem i may see) because i feel like many users here would not want to always be sharing their speeds. Many big open source linux clients however still have good speeds always. This could be because they have a few dedicated seeders, but I'm not sure.
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If I can scrounge up some money to put another drive in my server, I can have it as a bit of a seedbox as well. I can download the ROMs and help seed them when the user count is low.
The tracker base I'm using (phpMyBittorrent) also supports a "seed request" system I believe, so users can request reseeds of dead / low seeded torrents.
The only issue I have with this (not that my opinion matters) is that people will download to their phones and not seed. I have my torrent client set not to seed, for the sake of battery life.
johnwaynegacy said:
The only issue I have with this (not that my opinion matters) is that people will download to their phones and not seed. I have my torrent client set not to seed, for the sake of battery life.
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Quite the contrary.. your opinion does matter. I want to hear everybody's concerns so I can address them if they are something to be considered to help develop this. I believe this would probably be a minority issue. Not many people have a torrent client on their phone. If anything, you can setup web access from uTorrent and manage your torrents from your mobile that way, as well, so that you can still seed.
Torrents are much more stable than http. But ur main point in doing this (faster speeds due to http being congested when a lot of people download at same time) is flawed.Unless devs have a very fast upload speed or seedbox, torrents will be even slower (waaaay slower) until many people have the file. This will result in much more *****ing than there is now.Also this wouldn't be a good way for devs to keep their rom stored because as soon as a rom is outdated nobody will seed it. And like somebody else said nobody is going to want to seed every single rom the decide to download. If people aren't required to seed for fear of being banned from a private site then the majority won't seed. Simple as that. With that being said when a torrent has a healthy amount of seeders its by far the fastest way to download files. I wish this would work but unfortunately I don't think the demand is enough to support it.
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squidder said:
Torrents are much more stable than http. But ur main point in doing this (faster speeds due to http being congested when a lot of people download at same time) is flawed.Unless devs have a very fast upload speed or seedbox, torrents will be even slower (waaaay slower) until many people have the file.
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I know this; which is pretty much what I said in a couple posts. And also like I said, devs could still pick HTTP mirrors besides a torrent; I'm not saying get rid of HTTP / FTP, I'm just saying add this on as an option.
This will result in much more *****ing than there is now.Also this wouldn't be a good way for devs to keep their rom stored because as soon as a rom is outdated nobody will seed it.
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If I get more extra cash (college + an apartment is expensive), I will add a larger HDD in my server to store ROMs on. I'm not really counting on this as a way for ROM storage; just as a way for ROM distribution.
And like somebody else said nobody is going to want to seed every single rom the decide to download. If people aren't required to seed for fear of being banned from a private site then the majority won't seed. Simple as that. With that being said when a torrent has a healthy amount of seeders its by far the fastest way to download files. I wish this would work but unfortunately I don't think the demand is enough to support it.
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The tracker base I'm using supports private tracker / ratio-based functions. Right now I have it set to freeleech, but I can always set it to ratio-based. And like I said previously, it also has a request system built into it, which could be used to request a ROM be started up again for seeding.
I don't think stability is an issue with torrents, but the issue I see is that if there's a bug found and the dev wants that rom pulled, or if it gets outdated quickly, you can't stop people from sharing it even if you take it off the tracker. Any open connections will continue, so as long as people are up and running and someone is seeding, a "bad" release could keep being shared and people might not know of an update if they're not keeping up with it.
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I don't think stability is an issue with torrents, but the issue I see is that if there's a bug found and the dev wants that rom pulled, or if it gets outdated quickly, you can't stop people from sharing it even if you take it off the tracker. Any open connections will continue, so as long as people are up and running and someone is seeding, a "bad" release could keep being shared and people might not know of an update if they're not keeping up with it.
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The Dev can delete the torrent, which removes it from the tracker, and sets the status in the torrent client to unregistered. The only way it can still be distributed is through other trackers and/or DHT. I believe I can disable the use of external trackers; not sure if I can disable the use of DHT with the tracker software I'm using, though. I'll have to look into that if it really comes down to that. But, like I said, the dev can remove the ROM by deleting the torrent which should stop sharing (because there is no communication between the tracker once it updates...most clients auto-update the tracker every few minutes... I believe mine is set to every 5-10 minutes at the moment).