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In testing stages now, but released credits to Evil_Devnull
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moosh3 said:
In testing stages now, but released credits to Evil_Devnull
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I tried and still doesn't work yet...
My phone doesn't even boot with the file in the root of the SD card...
Holyrolla said:
My phone doesn't even boot with the file in the root of the SD card...
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You are supposed to boot into fastboot while sd card is removed and install sd card while in hboot i'm assuming. Either way It doesnt seem to be working for others either.
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That file is the build.prop with a different name. All it does is tell the phone that there is a smart_io.crd file, but it doesn't have the right information on it. You could name anything smart_io.crd and you'll get the same results.
No linking to his website. He's been banned from xda and we won't allow linking to websites where devs charge for work freely obtainable on xda.
I don't mean to show any disrespect, nor get involved in politics, but is there a root somewhere for hboot 1.5 that's freely available?
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No linking to his website. He's been banned from xda and we won't allow linking to websites where devs charge for work freely obtainable on xda.
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Well by that logic, no apps can be linked to unless they're free. Unless the apk's are posted on XDA. Which is stealing....
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No linking to his website. He's been banned from xda and we won't allow linking to websites where devs charge for work freely obtainable on xda.
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I get that he was banned for stuff but linking to the "think tank forum section" where they are actually working on the s-off process and doing so for free shouldn't be an issue really. no?
Or is it the fact he provides stuff for charge on a completely different and unrelated section of his site that can be done for free?
regardless seems hes messing with the smart_io.zip thing that the devs here rattled around for a long time before we got s-off. So far doesn't look like much more than a bunch of trial going on and somewhat familiar to what it looked like here to start with too.
How does one boot the phone and then be able to get the sd card in? the battery needs to be out for the sd switch?
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No linking to his website. He's been banned from xda and we won't allow linking to websites where devs charge for work freely obtainable on xda.
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To appease your beef with a dev, I will change the link in my sig. Now I understand why he talks about you like he does. You could have asked me to remove the link rather than just helping yourself.
Not taking sides, honestly I could give a **** less what your beef with him is about.
Edit: Also, Before you go wrongly accusing people, you should have read some of the website.
Code:
We don't want any, at all, not one [email protected]#$ing cent!
No donations!
No annoying ads!
No Sales!
No Pride!
No Trolls!
Nothing like that here, this is a brain storming forum because
I'm tired.
Team Evil is tired.
And
Every vigor and 3d user is fricking tired of this lock.
We don't do this for money or rep, we do it as a hobby and its turning into a job.
Trolls will be banned.
No pissing in the creative juices of this think tank.
Nuff said. If you want to bxtch and moan do it in that forum.
Thanks
Devnull
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I support devnull for trying to help us out. He has made no remark as per charging for this. Until he does I think removing the link was unpreductive to our cause.
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Twolazyg said:
To appease your beef with a dev, I will change the link in my sig. Now I understand why he talks about you like he does. You could have asked me to remove the link rather than just helping yourself.
Not taking sides, honestly I could give a **** less what your beef with him is about.
Edit: Also, Before you go wrongly accusing people, you should have read some of the website.
Code:
We don't want any, at all, not one [email protected]#$ing cent!
No donations!
No annoying ads!
No Sales!
No Pride!
No Trolls!
Nothing like that here, this is a brain storming forum because
I'm tired.
Team Evil is tired.
And
Every vigor and 3d user is fricking tired of this lock.
We don't do this for money or rep, we do it as a hobby and its turning into a job.
Trolls will be banned.
No pissing in the creative juices of this think tank.
Nuff said. If you want to bxtch and moan do it in that forum.
Thanks
Devnull
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Right on. Stop being a **** scotsman, you and I both know you deleted the link because of the beef you have with him.
Take your relationship with. Him to the emails, just do your duty and moderate, don't censor.
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Before you all say anymore, please try getting your facts straight.
He is still charging $10 for downloading his Shift root kit...which can be done free of charge on xda using the same method, just as he was doing before he was banned.
I never abuse my moderator position in order to "fight my personal battles", so suggesting it is a waste of time.
If you still think I'm being a ****, go cry to the admin.
ok, back to business
So does this tool work, or not?
And where do I find this tool now that the link is gone?? (Mod, you have done a disservice here, unless that tool is already available on XDA. And if it is, where exactly is it?)
It doesn't appear to work, atm. Follow @evil_devnull on twitter or check his tweets at www.twitter.com/evil_devnull
@ scotsman, so even if he isn't requiring money for THIS project, nor on THAT site, you're going to stifle the news of his work by deleting links to THIS project at THAT site even though the issue is with another project altogether? Seems to me you should be blocking THOSE links that lead to the specific objectionable content, as we members clearly want to share news of THIS project and THAT site. Because there is NO current hboot 1.5 root anywhere free, or otherwise. I'm all for maintaining principles, but there is nothing against your stated principles on THAT site. So please stop blocking THIS news from spreading until there's something objectionable here. Otherwise it's called censorship, not protecting principles. You're blocking links just because they are associated with him and for no other reason.
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blauciel said:
It doesn't appear to work, atm. Follow @evil_devnull on twitter or check his tweets at www.twitter.com/evil_devnull
@ scotsman, so even if he isn't requiring money for THIS project, nor on THAT site, you're going to stifle the news of his work by deleting links to THIS project at THAT site even though the issue is with another project altogether? Seems to me you should be blocking THOSE links that lead to the specific objectionable content, as we members clearly want to share news of THIS project and THAT site. Because there is NO current hboot 1.5 root anywhere free, or otherwise. I'm all for maintaining principles, but there is nothing against your stated principles on THAT site. So please stop blocking THIS news from spreading until there's something objectionable here. Otherwise it's called censorship, not protecting principles. You're blocking links just because they are associated with him and for no other reason.
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It is on "that" site...same domain...
You can follow him on Twittter, which has been posted, so it's not difficult for people to find.
As I said, feel free to complain higher up if it bothers you that much.
I do not have a Twitter account and do not intend to open one.
So what other site has the info available?
Mod, I suggest YOU ask the admin what to do, because this seems stupid. We need the info which you are suppressing.
How about Hboot.000012? please don't ignore our GSMers, really need to unlock + soff and start flashing.
In all fairness, the_scotsman is correct. Most of you that aren't familiar with the HTC EVO SHIFT rooting drama, don't know the full story behind why he was banned. It's easy to look at one side of the story then just ignore the rest, but probably not very wise. I'm sure plenty of you have read the information/stories on devnull's website, although perhaps you should trust in the moderator's decisions since there is a lot that happened that you guys don't know about.
Hey everyone, this is my first time here cause I almost spend all my time in the roms threads and stuff. Anyway, I'm gonna go straight to the point.
The thing is that I want to make a free APP for my company (which isn't any big, but it's mine) but I don't really know where to start.
The idea I have is not very complicated as far as I know, cause what I have in mind is basically a shared agenda attached to a calculator.
Let me explain: I'm a Wedding Planner, and the thing is that I have the couples busy all the time with meetings with providers and stuff, and also I have to be checking the couple's overall money for the whole period between the contract and the marriage.
So what I need to do is an agenda that can be shared with someone else (in this case, me and the couples) with appointments and stuff, and also I need it to have the capability to calculate the couple's budget. So if they spend money in something, we can put that spending in the whole budger, so they would have a clear statement between both parts about where is their money going, and how much will they have at certain point in order so they can have their right amount to spend more or less in something else.
Then I can add simple things like "contact us", Twitter, Facebook feedback and blabla, but the main function is the one I can't do.
I've tried "app builders" but they have just basic options which don't let me dig in more to modify something cause they don't give you the source code.
I'm good at modifing code, but I don't know a single thing about creating from scratch.
Can I get a hand with this?
Thanks guys.
Questions should be asked in Q&A forums, not development forums.
Thread moved.
Anyone D:?
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No? :/
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Are those dev's answers? Really?
Lol I looked a lot on sites that led me here just to get a "search" answer.
And why would I want to know every single aspect on android to make just a simple app?
Is like getting a chef degree just to make one bacon & eggs.
Still waiting for a serious answer.
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Same question, search got me here .:sigh:.
Bump.
rugalck said:
Are those dev's answers? Really?
Lol I looked a lot on sites that led me here just to get a "search" answer.
And why would I want to know every single aspect on android to make just a simple app?
Is like getting a chef degree just to make one bacon & eggs.
Still waiting for a serious answer.
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Just read an article while flashing, try Android SDK (Don't know for sure) but I think that it is the basic start for programming an application. From then on your on your own. Just google it lol (those are not application files but exe.)
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Eclipse and Android sdk Are your Friends , goggle em Good luck
there are a Bunch of books and videos on it too ..
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rugalck said:
I've tried "app builders" but they have just basic options which don't let me dig in more to modify something cause they don't give you the source code.
I'm good at modifing code, but I don't know a single thing about creating from scratch.
Can I get a hand with this?
Thanks guys.
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I think you kinda answered your own question really... unless you can find something very close to what you want, you'll have to learn how to create from scratch.
If that hasn't put you off, I'd recommend that you don't go near a phone to start with. Pick just one or two features that your app will need.
Write something standalone that provides that functionality as a Java console application.
Once you have that working, you can start to figure out how to turn it into an app. For that you can probably start with one of the examples that come with the development kit (for instance, a menu example)
In the past, CM has allowed users to opt out of sending their data. It's recently decided to remove the "optout feature" (c'mon, is that really a "feature"), forcing users to eat it.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...pting-out-of-cm-stats-cyanogen-says-to-chill/
"Cyanogenmod Will No Longer Allow Opting Out of CM Stats-- Cyanogen Says to Chill"
in response, i kindly made this argument:
"A fundamental issue still exists. If the data is collected via a unique identifier, and it has a timestamp, then it isn't as anonymized as people think. Anyone with a basic understanding of data security knows that. I think the uproar has to do with the reputation of the team as the protectors and defenders of our platform...you give us choice. But when we see behavior that doesn't add up, were naturally going to believe you've used that position in the community to do evil. We understand you want the the data.
What doesn't make sense, and the natural road for us all to go down:
1) is this being used to monetize CM?
2) installation data: to include location, language, device, build version, and carrier, are all things that can be identified using a single, static event report. Why should we be comfortable with an always-collecting, transmitting-in-the-background service? What's the use-case for this? You've said yourself that Google Play apps themselves often collect this data..why is that method insufficient for CM? And why should we have to expect the same from you guys as we do from everyone else. Surely there's a way to collect the necessary data you need with a scalpel, negating the need for a device drag-net like this.
In all seriousness, i trust CM to do the right thing...i just can't tell right now if they've done the lazy thing, and created a service which is omnipresent, omnipotent, running in the background and silently spying on me, just so CM can tell which language my device is running, my general location, my build information, etc.
That's fine, it's simple data, and it's fairly straight forward.
The question is, if you needed that data (which CM says it does), then why are you collecting a much, much more complicated data set, and why won't a simple installation report do? Why won't running for a short period of time...say, 5-7 days do?
Why did they take the Carrier IQ route?
Maybe they want it just so they can have it. As Koushik stated on the google plus post (where he does a great job at assuaging some fears, and creating others):
"---Did you know over half of our users are in China? They just passed the US in terms of CM installation base.
Call it ego surfing, but the data is incredibly useful."
So they're collecting all this data, without a need? It's obvious why it's extremely useful to understand, say....which language most of your users use, etc. But you don't need a 24/7 service to find out what language people use your device in.
Anyways, here's the Google + Post:
https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/GwnzKJijBKj
Here, he has, however, provided a screenshot of your data in action, assuaging the fears of most (we never truly get to see what our data looks like after its sent through the mizteereeus pipez of the interwebz, magically transformed, and then spit back out to an analyst), and he even tells you a bit about what data it collects. What he doesn't say, is why on earth submitting the data once, after installation, in a single report wont do, or why a build report once a week, or however often, wont do.
That's the end of my tinfoil hat tirade. Like i said, i love CM, i trust them, but i'm disappointed. The reasons i listed above are arguments made to explain why people are raising hell because of this. I don't believe they'll do anything nefarious, and personally, they can ego=surf with my data all they want. It IS pretty cool. Maybe the move was a tad bit short-sighted though, because they may have gotten a bit out of touch with their users, and their users opinion of them-- and that's what my posts were supposed to do...they were supposed to bring the way I (and other's) think about them more in line with reality.
Edit: It's important to note that, as explained to us by CM, CM Statistics calls home upon reboot. Whether it runs all the time, or just for a nanosecond upon reboot, or 24/7 is important as well, but I'm unable to verify any of this, because my github skills are w34ks4uce. If we had a independent dev who could take a look at CM Stats and then explain exactly (key word) what it was collecting, that'd be über helpful....but it wouldn't mean anything in the long run. Because I was viewing the macroscopic effects of the decision. A comprehensive announcement and explanation wold probably have been prescient, because the information contained in the Google+ post is just as key as the announcement itself-- the stigma of collecting data is far to strong to just say one day-- "sneaky, sneaky--no more opting out".
Nothing has changed here, only the fact that it's enabled by default vs opt-out. The dataset hasn't changed.
Don't use it if you don't like it. They are not spying on you. WITHOUT stats they would have zero visibility to what is actually used. Download data is trash compared to actual usage.
And what if they decide they want to improve Language X translations, but only 10 people use it? Worth it? Or what about Device Y that only a handful of people are still clinging onto? Resources can be used in better ways.
I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
If this thread turns into a flame fest it will be locked
As for data collection...you are using Android right?
Also check the permissions to all those third party apps.
Thanks in advance for keeping this thread civil or ignoring it.
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I take my privacy seriously, as I'm sure most of us do. As mentioned previously market apps gain a certain amount of info from us.
Maybe CM should have a free version with no opt out or a pay version with one (key maybe). That should make everyone happy.
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Nothing has changed here, only the fact that it's enabled by default vs opt-out. The dataset hasn't changed.
Don't use it if you don't like it. They are not spying on you. WITHOUT stats they would have zero visibility to what is actually used. Download data is trash compared to actual usage.
And what if they decide they want to improve Language X translations, but only 10 people use it? Worth it? Or what about Device Y that only a handful of people are still clinging onto? Resources can be used in better ways.
I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
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This.
Whoooooooo caaaares delete thread
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Solution to all this: OpenPDroid
briand.mooreg said:
I take my privacy seriously, as I'm sure most of us do. As mentioned previously market apps gain a certain amount of info from us.
Maybe CM should have a free version with no opt out or a pay version with one (key maybe). That should make everyone happy.
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I think this is a brilliant idea, regardless of the status of CM Stats. A paid version with a extra feature set would be awesome.
As far as the argument for data like language, region, build, etc. I think we can say conclusively that this could be handled by a installation report, that runs once after installation or upgrade.
The type of data they need doesn't neccesitate a background service, which is why its naturally suspicious.
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btswein said:
This.
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I though is was enabled by default. Is this something the devs choose? Upon installation, i see a "cm statistics is running" banner in notification. Even so, what's changing, is their removing opt out all together.
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http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/35047/
well there you have it:
Commit MessagePermalink
Restore the opt-out for stats.
* Apparently this is a bigger issue for a small number of extremely
vocal users. We should respect their wishes, no matter how off-base
their claims are in this context.
Change-Id: I9eef9a65260ec4e360d398f80d610a198c09c915
Thanks to: khaytsus
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http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/35047/
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Is there a way we can educate/frame a conversation around how to do this in a way accepting of the vocal crowd? Perhaps an outreach campaign, minimal in effort that might encourage more users to opt in? This is an area where fundamental good can be done. The same people who've been vocal should have no problem explaining what would get them to opt in.
I think this whole thing might have been a brief thing, but if the statistics really help the project, we can all have our cake and eat it too.
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I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
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You knew you'd see a post crying about this because of all that data your collecting told you lol!
Just teasin!
I would have just frozen the background service. ...
We rooty types can do that sort of thing now days. ..
And just to prevent the assumption that I missed the point of the OP. ...I didn't, and can only imagine the amount of target data our carriers pull by simply using our device. (See lengthy contract and service agreement of your carrier)...
CM data is small potatoes by comparison. ..and while quite useful to them in the generation of custom firmwares, it's a useless data source for us.
I've freely given cyanogen my data for years. And in return Steve has given me high quality work for my trouble. .....privacy concerns accepted. ....g
The easiest way to prevent CM from getting any data from you is too not install, not really that hard to figure out.
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(Maybe this question needs to be somewhere else, if so, plz move it for me)
Wonder when these are coming to android...sure would be cooler than those 2d like black and white retro like ones....not that they're THAT ugly but still....im not on nokia anymore, i want a little color:beer:
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killbubble said:
(Maybe this question needs to be somewhere else, if so, plz move it for me)
Wonder when these are coming to android...sure would be cooler than those 2d like black and white retro like ones....not that they're THAT ugly but still....im not on nokia anymore, i want a little color:beer:
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Then by all means make them. Google gives the basics and it is up to the OEM to make them, but as we can never relay on them it falls to people to do ti themselves.
Any good?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.klncity1.emojikeyboard
Plenty of other stuff on play to look at too
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Then by all means make them.
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Im a pc programmer, not smartphone.
Really one can never avoid having annoying people post useless comments just for being bored with their lives...
All i want to know is if somebody ALREADY made modified fonts for coloured emojis on android and (if they would be so kind) where i can get them, not a lecture on programming...sure everybody needs stuff, but we can't do everything for ourselves can we?
Some people choose to do different things, if you're a smartphone developer then most probably you don't make your own cod but you rely on game devs to make it for you (how shameless and selfish right?) And if you want a cod mod like hell you gonna go and disassemble the whole game just to mod some stuf, but you ask OTHER experienced modders and they, likewise, might rely on you to do something for smartphones....
So, if i ask a question i dont want somebody telling me it is fordbidden to want something from others, cause that's how social animals(FYI: human beings, as aristotle described us), live their WHOLE lives...it's society b***ch -.-
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^^^ how not to address a senior moderator. ........wince.....cringe.. ouch!
Woo first I would watch how you speak to a mod. Next had you followed the rules you would have found the answer to your question.
And to answer your stupid comment. I at least try to do things myself before I ask for help and even then its not to have it done for me but to help me do it on my own.
Wayne Tech S-III
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Any good?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.klncity1.emojikeyboard
Plenty of other stuff on play to look at too
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Not really....perhaps i didnt explain myself well enough, so here's the situation:
-i HAVE emoji keyboard with coloured emoji buttons
-i CAN see emoji's cuz i got a modified font from the web, but they are blac and white and different from the iphone ones
What im looking for:
Another modified font (or fix, or mod, if you will) that will still allow me to see emojis, but the original ios looking ones (or at least some coloured ones).
So id like if someone shared with me their knowledge about this...
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Woo first I would watch how you speak to a mod. Next had you followed the rules you would have found the answer to your question.
And to answer your stupid comment. I at least try to so things myself before I ask for help and even then its not to have it done for me but to help me do it on my own.
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Dude...really...what is a mod? Someone that has been on the forum long enough to receive some priviledges as a recognized member of the forum, but not necessarily wiser than others. I apologize if i was too rough, i did not see that u were a "senior mod" as i am using the xda app, and had i seen it, my answer would probably had been the same or somewhat similar...
But, it turns out i DID follow the rules: i went looking for emojis, i got multiple "fixes" both on this forum and others, and i applied the best one: resulting in black and white emojis. They seem good enough, but i like the ios ones better, is it FORBIDDEN to ask questions on a questions thread?
is it FORBIDDEN to treat a moderator just like i would treat anybody else? U live in a democracy right?(i wouldnt want to be missing something here...)
But i dont want to have silly a fight (ive had thousands in life, and 10 times more on the web already), i just want to ask a questions on a questions thread, and get answers to THAT QUESTIONS on a question-and-answers thread (without having any mod go all crazy on me cuz hes senior).
Thank you for understanding....
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Not really....perhaps i didnt explain myself well enough, so here's the situation:
-i HAVE emoji keyboard with coloured emoji buttons
-i CAN see emoji's cuz i got a modified font from the web, but they are blac and white and different from the iphone ones
What im looking for:
Another modified font (or fix, or mod, if you will) that will still allow me to see emojis, but the original ios looking ones (or at least some coloured ones).
So id like if someone shared with me their knowledge about this...
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Your not gonna find anything done like the ios does. Most things here avoid everything IOS. So if you really want something that important to you then your gonna have to dig in and do it.
as for your comment above have a read here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
zelendel said:
Your not gonna find anything done like the ios does. Most things here avoid everything IOS. So if you really want something that important to you then your gonna have to dig in and do it.
as for your comment above have a read here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
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Thats too bad cuz the only thing ios got right was the look of its smartphone....but i dont have the time to do it myself, anyways i was expecting nobody knew anything so i wanted to put it here in case one lucky guy knew so he could tell me....
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killbubble said:
Dude...really...what is a mod? Someone that has been on the forum long enough to receive some priviledges as a recognized member of the forum, but not necessarily wiser than others. I apologize if i was too rough, i did not see that u were a "senior mod" as i am using the xda app, and had i seen it, my answer would probably had been the same or somewhat similar...
But, it turns out i DID follow the rules: i went looking for emojis, i got multiple "fixes" both on this forum and others, and i applied the best one: resulting in black and white emojis. They seem good enough, but i like the ios ones better, is it FORBIDDEN to ask questions on a questions thread?
is it FORBIDDEN to treat a moderator just like i would treat anybody else? U live in a democracy right?(i wouldnt want to be missing something here...)
But i dont want to have silly a fight (ive had thousands in life, and 10 times more on the web already), i just want to ask a questions on a questions thread, and get answers to THAT QUESTIONS on a question-and-answers thread (without having any mod go all crazy on me cuz hes senior).
Thank you for understanding....
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Listen mate, moderators give up their valuable time to try and keep things orderly, not for some kind of power trip.
Being rude/insulting people is against the rules.
As a member of a community you are bound by individual responsibility and mutual aid.
If we didn't follow the guide lines this forum would fall to pieces.
Just trying to divert a bad situation here
That's my contribution to this forum
slaphead20 said:
Listen mate, moderators give up their valuable time to try and keep things orderly, not for some kind of power trip.
Being rude/insulting people is against the rules.
As a member of a community you are bound by individual responsibility and mutual aid.
If we didn't follow the guide lines this forum would fall to pieces.
Just trying to divert a bad situation here
That's my contribution to this forum
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Alright man i get what ure saying, but ive been a mod myself and i never treated people like they shouldnt ask...if i ever had something to tell them, i pmed them.
i know many things about a pc, and i help anybody who asks me stuff...from "how to start modding this/that" to "how to access my computer files". If the question is unresolved/hard to know for a normal person: i answer them.
If a question is stupid/already resolved multiple times/real easy to find on the web: i answer them first, then i tell them to look for easy stuff on the web cuz not everybody likes to waste their time answering questions that have already been answered and spread out to everyone.
I read the mods post, and i care to disagree with some stuff he wrote.
You see...xda may not be a democracy...it may be "just for developers"...but there are some flaws in this reasoning:
-xda, like any other site, is subject to the laws of democracy just of the country you live in. You may choose to establing an aggressive-moderation kind of "empire" here (which im not saying it is, nor that the senior moderator was aggressive, im just reasoning here) but on such a big scale as that of xda i hardly believe the founders of xda like to hold on to a site which is supposed to keep people(devs if you like the word) connected and at the same time they want to control peoples operations...i mean...developing is free itself and may cover any topic
-people arent born developers, knowledge isnt a fact, people learn stuff and then they become developers. You cant ban all developers from the site, cuz this site doesnt just deal with developing stuff, nor do developers grow on trees...
But if you want a site with people that know in detail how to build software for these devices or mod them in any way, then go ahead and filter the logins. Put up a questionnaire or something, ban every non developer you find....but seeing as this is clearly not this forums policy, obviously some statements the mod made in his speech were untrue, and peole liked only out of frustration. You see...the more is never the right....
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Alright man i get what ure saying, but ive been a mod myself and i never treated people like they shouldnt ask...if i ever had something to tell them, i pmed them.
i know many things about a pc, and i help anybody who asks me stuff...from "how to start modding this/that" to "how to access my computer files". If the question is unresolved/hard to know for a normal person: i answer them.
If a question is stupid/already resolved multiple times/real easy to find on the web: i answer them first, then i tell them to look for easy stuff on the web cuz not everybody likes to waste their time answering questions that have already been answered and spread out to everyone.
I read the mods post, and i care to disagree with some stuff he wrote.
You see...xda may not be a democracy...it may be "just for developers"...but there are some flaws in this reasoning:
-xda, like any other site, is subject to the laws of democracy just of the country you live in. You may choose to establing an aggressive-moderation kind of "empire" here (which im not saying it is, nor that the senior moderator was aggressive, im just reasoning here) but on such a big scale as that of xda i hardly believe the founders of xda like to hold on to a site which is supposed to keep people(devs if you like the word) connected and at the same time they want to control peoples operations...i mean...developing is free itself and may cover any topic
-people arent born developers, knowledge isnt a fact, people learn stuff and then they become developers. You cant ban all developers from the site, cuz this site doesnt just deal with developing stuff, nor do developers grow on trees...
But if you want a site with people that know in detail how to build software for these devices or mod them in any way, then go ahead and filter the logins. Put up a questionnaire or something, ban every non developer you find....but seeing as this is clearly not this forums policy, obviously some statements the mod made in his speech were untrue, and peole liked only out of frustration. You see...the more is never the right....
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Well if you looked at the people that thanked it instead of the number you will see that just about every mod agrees with it. We are working on a questionnaire for the Reg.
Now the rules here are simple and they are to be followed or people will be removed from the site. Plain and simple.
Now your question was answered. and this debate is pointless.
I have been more then understanding with your lack of respect and will end this here.
If you want something the way you want then it is up to you to make it happen. If you want help learning to do it then great. If not then good luck in your search.
More then understanding.....lack of respect....you guys really live in a glass castle.
I dont care if moderators thanked that, they probably did out of frustration or respect or they really believed it (amazingly). I believe i followed the rules and i did not offend anyone except for the "b***ch" part of my comment which was obviously intended as a joke not as a real insult.
If this forum was born for devs only, it isnt so anymore. I would really love to hear the opinion of the real moderators (the ones that own and pay for the servers and that mod the site and founded it, not the ones that help out those guy handle the forum).
Clear these posts or close the whole thread as it is no more useful filled with these comments, as no one will probably help out since a "senior mod superhero" has been unrighteously offended....please
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More then understanding.....lack of respect....you guys really live in a glass castle.
I dont care if moderators thanked that, they probably did out of frustration or respect or they really believed it (amazingly). I believe i followed the rules and i did not offend anyone except for the "b***ch" part of my comment which was obviously intended as a joke not as a real insult.
If this forum was born for devs only, it isnt so anymore. I would really love to hear the opinion of the real moderators (the ones that own and pay for the servers and that mod the site and founded it, not the ones that help out those guy handle the forum).
Clear these posts or close the whole thread as it is no more useful filled with these comments, as no one will probably help out since a "senior mod superhero" has been unrighteously offended....please
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Boy do you assume much. But as you asked for it. Thread closed by OP request. Good luck
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
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A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
Signed them all
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good: