Image Sense - HTC Rezound

For those that didn't hear about Mobile World Congress this year, HTC announced their new HTC One Series. One of the things they added was the ImageSense feature. From what I understand, it is an actual chip inside the phones, so the features of ImageSense won't be available for existing devices. Is the right?
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From the press release (HTC website)
With ImageSense HTC One rivals traditional digital cameras with improvements to every part of the camera, including the lens, the sensor, the software, and even integrating a new custom HTC ImageChip. These enhancements combine to deliver our fastest image capture, best image quality under adverse conditions and easiest interface that enables quick access to capturing stills and videos with side-by-side photo and video capture buttons.
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Thanks for that.
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One of the reviewers said some of the pictures from the one x were quite blurry.

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incorrect camera API implementation?

Some of you may know about the Pro HDR app that takes high and low exposure shots and combines them together to produce really high quality pics.
Well the app doesn't work on the EVO3D and I contacted the company that makes the app. They reported that HTC has not correctly implemented the android camera API on the evo3d which is why the app doesn't work properly on this phone. Instead of taking one high and one low exposure picture, it just takes two pictures with the same exposure level. They also said this is surprising because HTC has the correct implementation on the EVO.
So my question is for all the gurus out there. Is there anyway to fix this or will a solution have to come from HTC?
Anyone?
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abdeviation said:
Some of you may know about the Pro HDR app that takes high and low exposure shots and combines them together to produce really high quality pics.
Well the app doesn't work on the EVO3D and I contacted the company that makes the app. They reported that HTC has not correctly implemented the android camera API on the evo3d which is why the app doesn't work properly on this phone. Instead of taking one high and one low exposure picture, it just takes two pictures with the same exposure level. They also said this is surprising because HTC has the correct implementation on the EVO.
So my question is for all the gurus out there. Is there anyway to fix this or will a solution have to come from HTC?
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abdeviation said:
Anyone?
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Yes, I'm sure there is a way to fix this. Is the way to fix this simple or easy? Hard to stay. Somebody would have to do the initial research by reversing HTC's closed source camera app and find out if its as simple as flipping a boolean value or if the code has to be completely reworked.
I would think the developer of your desired application would be the most familar with this type of camera API code and would be the best to ask regarding how much effort is required for them to integrate support.
This device supports 3D. Sure this may seem like a great feature/advantage. The downside to the HTC EVO 3D support is: essentially a bunch of closed source, proprietary HTC code. The code is not part of Android nor is the code released anywhere. The fact that all this code is kept private makes it much more difficult for developers to work with.
The impact this 3D code has ranges from difficulties for AOSP based ROMs such as CM to support the device to third party app developers, such as your camera app developer. Unfortunately, the impact is broader than I would have initially guessed, but as seeing this device has been out since June (CDMA Sprint version) and being November now, many developers are still struggling with 3D support. Quite unfortunate.
Hope that helps!
I had success with "HDR Camera" if you're looking for something to work. I know Pro HDR has more features, but you can give the one I suggested a shot.
nope, the exposure setting just doesn't work properly on the evo3D. just try it in the default camera app. If you change the exposure, it just brightens the image instead of actually changing the exposure

HTC One S Camera app on the HTC Amaze?

Is there a way to get the HTC One S camera app onto the HTC Amaze? I'm mainly looking for the burst shot and video still shot functionality. Has this been included in any Amaze roms or is it possible just to install the app itself?
I haven't see it around; so, I'd guess it's not available yet. For the burst shot though, you can just download an app in play store called "Fast Burst Camera".
It's not really possible due to the factor that the one s camera apparently depends on a new image chip for it's quality and all round framework of the camera app, a chip our device doesn't have.
Dark Nightmare said:
It's not really possible due to the factor that the one s camera apparently depends on a new image chip for it's quality and all round framework of the camera app, a chip our device doesn't have.
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Darn. Is it possible for our camera to take photos while recording with another app?
I have no clue, I would love to find that out as well, since it's something I'd like to have.

Paranoid android,cyanogenmod,ect camera for htc one

Is the camera quality in htc one (with cyanogenmod,paranoid android and other aosp roms) comparable to htc one without custom rom?
There's a thread somewhere in the international forum of a comparison. The Sense software just processes photos slightly better. Not a huge difference. Definitely have to try for yourself.
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and the front facing speakers?
Are the front facing speakers good quality?
Just wait until the Google edition comes out and use that Rom. HTC is supposes to add beats and completely utilize the camera.
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AOSP based still have a considerable amount of lag. I was trying to use CM at Lagoon yesterday and I was unable to take an decent pictures because of how slow it reacted. very common around the entire OS. Keypad, keyboard, lock/unlock, proximity sensor, etc... it's all very slow to react. Once you get some apps running, the entire OS gets jittery.
I would wait for Google Edition firmwares to drop and stick with Sense until then if you are worried about the camera in any way.

What Camera App do You Use?

Hey guys, I'm returning from a recent trip to iPhoneland and I'm looking for the camera app that's closest to keeping up with the iPhone's camera.
I'm running cm11 and so far the best I've found is this one here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540030
This one takes a lot better pictures than the stock cm or the google camera from the play store, but it still lags behind the iPhone.
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Alright that's what I was kind of afraid of. I know that there is a limit to how good the camera is going to be but I was hoping I hadn't found it yet. There is a significant variation between the different camera apps I have tried. It's too bad we can't use the camera to its full potential on aosp based roms.
I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
If you want some examples of what the G2's camera is capable of, look here:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/pool/
You can find more info about Mi2raw (available on the Google Play Market, it's free) in the main thread for it and yes there's more pics too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/app-mi2raw-enables-capturing-real-raw-t2837089
Again, we're not dealing with the best image sensor ever made but I've been damned happy with the results I've been getting with my G2 because of Mi2raw (I just got this G2 like 3 weeks ago).
As far as other apps, I use Aviary (it was free a few days ago, with every single filter they had for free too so I grabbed it all and backed it up safely), PerfectlyClear which gave away their Android app for free last week (it's not too bad, actually), and Photoshop Express (which can load the DNG files directly on the G2 directly from Mi2raw for quick viewing).
There's also XCam LG which adds a lot of functionality to the G2 including giving it 4K video recording capability (just make sure to read the details in the thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2548974
XCam LG has a settings app to tweak it further located on the Play Market as well, it's worth the price if you need it.
For me personally I just use Mi2raw for most every picture I snap these days then do editing/PP work when I get back home, it's what works best for me at this time.
Hope this helps...
Try Cymera. It's free and has good editing tools. Drawbacks are that it takes a bit to load and is not too stable. It's the only camera app that focuses correctly and has a proper white balance!!!! The resolution is small 1 Megapixel?, but the image is sharper and better than any 13megapixel shot from other camera apps or stock.
Otherwise just take the stock LG camera app as a daily driver.
br0adband said:
I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
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why would you disagree if its known that iPhone and Nokia use way better sensor and lenses? (and i'm not an iphone fanboy, far from that )
i didn't say that LG hardware is crap - i'm just saying that it's no match to those two... or to say it better - "close but no cigar"
Nokia & iPhone give much better low light images than LG (partly due to better sensor, partly due to smaller f-stop lens number which lets more light onto the sensor)
for comparison
LG G2 has F/2.4 lens < iphone/nokia use F/2.2 lens (smaller the f-stop, more light comes in)
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
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i didn't mention mi2raw app on purpose because it's not for everyone... and since i'm a photo hobbyist and DSLR owner, it gives me a bit of real camera world in a mobile device...
and what i like about mi2raw (besides its raw capability) is that the photos taken with that app don't look "painted" or "blurred" because of too much noise reduction that other camera apps produce
mi2raw would be too complicated to use for an average user... but hey - it's free, and everyone can try it and see
everything else you wrote - i second...
+ Snapseed is an image app worth mentioning especially with its ambiance setting that gives an image a nice "bump" in every way if it's used correctly...
personally i'm currently "stuck" with mi2raw, xdabbeb's XCam (because of those extra options you mentioned) and google camera (because it's the best for panorama/sphere images)
cheers...
In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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br0adband said:
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Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
marchina said:
In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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StevenInMichigan said:
Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
60nine said:
which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
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I did not know that thanks
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"a Better Camera" app is what I use on non stock Roms and it's very good. LG camera hardware is not that good? You make me laugh... Can IPhone camera record 4k?Does it have ois?
The only thing that iPhone is better at is the image processing. That's it. (period).
I use the G2's stock camera app on AICP. It's okay, but the images look washed out compared to my Optimus G.
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60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
jimakos29 said:
Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
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Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
kultus said:
Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
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again. it takes normal pics at full resolution, then there is a night mode which takes very very nice pics in dark situations at full resolution (better than almost any other phone out there) and then there is a special night mode that reduces pic resolution to 2 megapixels, but boy those night pics are the best I have ever seen.... Check this for example. and no worries about zenfone 5 camera being 8 megapixels. the zenfone 6 has 13 and same software...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TPqwDYStI
so you still live in a world where more megapixels mean better images?
i.e. see why HTC went for lower mpx in its flagship devices...
about my "bullsh*t of the year"... do some reading and know some basics of the digital photography...
i never said that LG G2 camera is bad, read my post again & read hardware tech specs of the other devices...
i like the mi2raw app very much (see my posts there in the app thread) - it's the best thing that happened to this device considering the camera/photo...
and i think LG G2 camera hardware can do much more - especially on the strange "painted like" image compression effect which i hate so much...
i'd say - LG G2 is close, but no cigar
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
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Because of RAW the G2 is one of the top android cameras, that is true. However, the flagship Lumia devices also shoot RAW.
Yes I know, iphone can shoot RAW too, so android is behind somehow...
60nine: Ive read everything you've written, thats why I had to react. I know a lot about photography, HW a more, so Im OK. Thanks. And about pixels, even 8Mpx iphone camera is worse than 16Mpx SGN4 camera so give me a break...HTCs cameras are the worst from the biggest flagship manufacturers. HTCs cameras lags of detail and lost every shootout with competition. And I will tell you something, you will need at least 2160p for viewing on upcoming 4K display devices...so now the pixels matters. I know that more pixels suffers from dynamic range and more noise, but it will be hidden in more Mpx photo with good postprocess. So if you find comparison between IP6 and LG G2 in RAW at same settings and same scene and IP6 will be better, youll have my respect and appologies.
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i won't bother answering to a person who thinks more mpx means better images (on a same sized sensor), so cheers...
raw is not for an average users anyway

Vote for better Adobe Lightroom support

There a few topics that could use some up-voting to show Adobe we want good RAW support for our P30 phones.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/phot...rofile-for-non-bayer-sensor-depthsensor-usage
https://feedback.photoshop.com/phot...select-the-image-source-on-multicamera-phones
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-mobile-allow-minimum-shutter-speed
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr-mobile-combine-tof-sensors-with-raw-images
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/please-add-superresolution-dng-automation
Adobe only cares about supporting Apple devices, they don't give a crap about Android devices. Sadly we are never going to see P30 Pro devices supported by Adobe. It has to be done by thirdparty developers.
/ Magnus
nurps said:
There a few topics that could use some up-voting to show Adobe we want good RAW support for our P30 phones.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/phot...rofile-for-non-bayer-sensor-depthsensor-usage
https://feedback.photoshop.com/phot...select-the-image-source-on-multicamera-phones
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-mobile-allow-minimum-shutter-speed
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr-mobile-combine-tof-sensors-with-raw-images
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/please-add-superresolution-dng-automation
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They don't even care to fix the bug in the current version of LR. almost a month now, cannot import new photos
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Adobe only cares about supporting Apple device..
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Well so far I can import DNGs from all 3 of the Huawei cameras and shoot HDR DNG with the ultra-wide camera with their app. Not a total failure.
I use snapseed for now.
Thanks for linking to these. It would be a nice to have if Adobe gave a timeframe for supporting new phones.
I'm finding the dngs hard to process. There are weird colour shifts on the main camera. The wide angle camera is often under exposed and has huge vignetting. The 5x camera is relatively easy by comparison, just a bit more saturation and slight pincushion tweak.
Has anyone else made correction profiles for lightroom?
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So far it helps me pulling the orange tone slider towards green and correcting red and purple to the left, but if there are skintones it gets harder.
Some users of another forum have created profiles for Lightroom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4384104
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