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I wonder if anyone here is delved deep enough into the inner workings of the camera system. Would it be possible, for example, to control the exposure settings independently for each lens?
That way, we could do *real* HDR shots that would blow the socks off the iPhone HDR stuff.
Of course, it wouldn't work for anything too close because of the distortion, but anything further away should work great.
Thoughts?
Would be a good idea!
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Agreed, HDR on my phone has been my dream for a while now. I plan on taking some skilled photos in 3d, and this would be awesome
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Speed Shooting
Would It Also Be Possible To Use Both Cameras For Speed Shooting?
Like Where One Would Take The Picture Then The Other Would Take It Again.
That Would Be Awesome.
This should be in q&a.....and I only say that because I opened this thread, not noticing the ?, thinking it was a working modification to the cameras. Might want to pm a mod and have it moved.
hockeyfamily737 said:
This should be in q&a.....and I only say that because I opened this thread, not noticing the ?, thinking it was a working modification to the cameras. Might want to pm a mod and have it moved.
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I think this is in the correct area. Yes, it is a question. But it is a question geared towards a topic that will in all likelihood take some heavy development.
The ideas for HDR and speed shots (halving the time between pictures) are great and definitely something I would use if/when they can be implemented.
spartan15A said:
Would It Also Be Possible To Use Both Cameras For Speed Shooting?
Like Where One Would Take The Picture Then The Other Would Take It Again.
That Would Be Awesome.
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If your memory card could handle it I'm sure it's possible. You would probably need access to the kernel source to do much of anything with it though.
Imagine a camera app where each core gets a camera hdw to read and process.
Imagine a camera app where we know what each core is doing !
@ OP - wrong section. You developed?
@ Spartan15A - check the market "fast burst camera", is frakking awesome...
BANG! from my shooter...
The Android Camera API only allows you to specify one Camera at a time so you'll need to overcome that obstacle first. Mostly you are limited to what the Android Camera API makes available to you. In some cases you can include additional non-standard properties that the vendor's implementation checks for. Another possibility is that HTC will release a library to make more of the Camera features available.
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The Android Camera API only allows you to specify one Camera at a time so you'll need to overcome that obstacle first. Mostly you are limited to what the Android Camera API makes available to you. In some cases you can include additional non-standard properties that the vendor's implementation checks for. Another possibility is that HTC will release a library to make more of the Camera features available.
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I wonder if the cameras are even accessible independently at all, or if it just defaults to one of the two.
Have you guys seen the Sony Panorama camera app? Is that using both cameras?
ioos said:
Have you guys seen the Sony Panorama camera app? Is that using both cameras?
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Cool app - but I don't think it uses the second camera.
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I wonder if the cameras are even accessible independently at all, or if it just defaults to one of the two.
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http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/Camera.html#open(int)
Try that method out and see.
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I think this is in the correct area. Yes, it is a question.
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Why is this so hard for people to understand. You yourself just said its a question...so therefore it should be in q&a. Development is for developing...Not Asking Questions. To the op, nice idea.
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I wish when in 2D mode the camera towards the middle was used. I always have a finger over the outside camera.
But yeah, HTC could really let us do some cool stuff with both cameras in 2D mode.
Moved to proper forum.
Not sure why this was moved, as it is clearly a development question (is it possible to access the hardware cameras independently - and if so, how?) but whatever...
Here's another application that we could use the two cameras for:
http://gizmodo.com/5822623/two-lenses-will-fix-compact-cameras-depth-of-field-proposes-samsung
Would probably need to go through the actual patent doc to figure out exactly what the method is...
Does anyone know the exact model number of the camera sensor on our phones?
I have heard that it is built by OmniVision but I'm not sure about this.
I was trying to do some research to see if 1080p video recording would be possible.
http://www.ovt.com/applications/application.php?id=3
Looking through the list, it looks like every 5MP sensor is capable of 1080p @30 fps. We know our CPUs can handle 1080p because the sensation can manage it just fine with the same CPU. Anyone have any information?
I said it before...but why would htc NOT include 1080p? Its a selling point...they did it for a reason probaly.
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I said it before...but why would htc NOT include 1080p? Its a selling point...they did it for a reason probaly.
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Yeah, we wouldn't know. But if the sensor is an OmniVision, we know it must support 1080p because every 5MP sensor made by OmniVision does. We also know our CPUs can handle 1080p. HTC must have removed 1080p support for some other reason.
s5k6aafx Samsung sensor
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s5k6aafx Samsung sensor
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Where did you find that information?
That is a 1.3 MP sensor, if anything it could be the front facing camera sensor. Samsung says it can do [email protected] 24 fps, not that we would use it for that.
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I said it before...but why would htc NOT include 1080p? Its a selling point...they did it for a reason probaly.
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and you can keep saying it all you want but its 99.9999% fact that the phone can do it and the software is the only thing holding it back right now.
it is VERY likely that they didn't include it b/c of bugs, just like they removed the transparant rosie, and panaramic pictures that were shown at its unvailing.
likely we see all of these things in future OTA's...
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and you can keep saying it all you want but its 99.9999% fact that the phone can do it and the software is the only thing holding it back right now.
it is VERY likely that they didn't include it b/c of bugs, just like they removed the transparant rosie, and panaramic pictures that were shown at its unvailing.
likely we see all of these things in future OTA's...
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True, they did do that with 720p video recording on the dInc. I think the secondary problem is the logistics involved in moving that many pixels...reliable storage speed. I think the primary problem is likely feeding the sensor a reliable amount of light to keep the frame rate from getting more embarrassing than the 720p already is....sadly
lg optimus 3x
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poweroutlet said:
Does anyone know the exact model number of the camera sensor on our phones?
I have heard that it is built by OmniVision but I'm not sure about this.
I was trying to do some research to see if 1080p video recording would be possible.
http://www.ovt.com/applications/application.php?id=3
Looking through the list, it looks like every 5MP sensor is capable of 1080p @30 fps. We know our CPUs can handle 1080p because the sensation can manage it just fine with the same CPU. Anyone have any information?
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A 5MP is more than twice the pixels needed for 1080p which is just a hair over 2MP. That also means that we are more than capable of capturing 1080p in 3D as well...in fact, why the hell couldn't we capture 5mp 3D stills?
I think 5mp 3D stills is a much easier thing to accomplish. I mean, sure, we probably can get it to capture 1080p video, but, frame rate would probably totally blow.
...now that I'm thinking about it, we don't get full 720p 3D, we get what is called 720p SBS-half, meaning that we lose half of our resolution to do 3D even though the sensors are totally capable of doing SBS-full...that seems like another doable hack.
...what if one camera was serviced exclusively by one core and the file reassembled afterwards? That would make 720p SBS-full logistically easier, but then we run into the reliable write-speed problem again...
You can all ac like smartasses(no offensse) but if i would be htc and i knew the optimus3d rocks, i definatly would made 5mp 3d photos possible. Unless the hardware posed problems.
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You can all ac like smartasses(no offensse) but if i would be htc and i knew the optimus3d rocks, i definatly would made 5mp 3d photos possible. Unless the hardware posed problems.
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dunno how you get us being smartasses? just informing you the truth and facts of the matter.
one would of thought HTC would of included panaramic photos too but they had bugs in it so they took it out at last min and plan to add it back in future OTA. same should be for the 1080p.
its not a hardware limitation.
Or they are "unfixable bugs". You guys have some awesome devs here but no, 5mp 3d photos are in my mind impossible. A company that also makes nice hardware surely do not have bad software writers. Okay not the best, but good enough to probaly see its not possible. Also the o3d cant make 5mp 3d photos...i think that says enough.
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Or they are "unfixable bugs". You guys have some awesome devs here but no, 5mp 3d photos are in my mind impossible. A company that also makes nice hardware surely do not have bad software writers. Okay not the best, but good enough to probaly see its not possible. Also the o3d cant make 5mp 3d photos...i think that says enough.
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im talkin bout 1080p recording more than anything else here as thats something that the hardware supports without a doubt.
just b/c they pull a feature at launch doesn't mean they have bad developers which is what you are inferring by saying if they pulled it then its unfixable b/c they "surely do not have bad software writers."
Go back read up some on other HTC phones and other makers for the matter b/c this happens all the time. company tries to push the max of the phone up till launch and then if can't iron out stuff 100% they pull it to implement it later in an OTA once fixed up.
This is what will be done with the panaramic camera shooting mode which was in the 3d at the launch at ctia and i was told it wa pulled b/c of bugs and would be released later in OTA. this feature is not hampered by hardware by anymeans nor is 1080p recording. Another example is the FPS limit on the Evo4G at launch. wasn't hardware limit there, and then bam an OTA unlocked it.
so point is just b/c feature is pulled or not included at launch doesnt mean it isn't going to be included. if hardware supports it, then it will happen. end of story.
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im talkin bout 1080p recording more than anything else here as thats something that the hardware supports without a doubt.
just b/c they pull a feature at launch doesn't mean they have bad developers which is what you are inferring by saying if they pulled it then its unfixable b/c they "surely do not have bad software writers."
Go back read up some on other HTC phones and other makers for the matter b/c this happens all the time. company tries to push the max of the phone up till launch and then if can't iron out stuff 100% they pull it to implement it later in an OTA once fixed up.
This is what will be done with the panaramic camera shooting mode which was in the 3d at the launch at ctia and i was told it wa pulled b/c of bugs and would be released later in OTA. this feature is not hampered by hardware by anymeans nor is 1080p recording. Another example is the FPS limit on the Evo4G at launch. wasn't hardware limit there, and then bam an OTA unlocked it.
so point is just b/c feature is pulled or not included at launch doesnt mean it isn't going to be included. if hardware supports it, then it will happen. end of story.
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I can believe in 1080p 2d since the o3d also has it...but no to higher res pictures in 3d (larger then 3.15mp)
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I can believe in 1080p 2d since the o3d also has it...but no to higher res pictures in 3d (larger then 3.15mp)
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yeah the 1080p 3d and such i dunno about b/c that was never even hinted at during the ctia event. the other stuff they pulled last minute was least there at one point and just didnt have time to polish it up.
Working on a backdoor for this problem now.
I found the settings for the camera in the /system/etc/media_profiles.xml file. The file seems to include settings for all the different resolutions and quality/send settings within the camera app. The first changes I made caused the app to fail to launch. I discovered that a reboot of the phone is not necessary between changes of the .xml file. Simply closing the camera app and re-opening it does the job. I restored my backup and the camera came up fine. Thanks to Root Explorer for auto-backing up any edited files.
I edited the VideoEncoderCap name=”m4v” code from 720p to 1080p resolutions, but in testing the resolutions remained at 720p. It would seem the app is an HTC app and that the settings might be found directly in there.
I'll update if I find more.
we all know 1080p was in the evo 3d probably sometime during when htc was testing it..htc probably didnt think it was working as well as they wanted to they de activated it just like they deactivated panorama and hdr but since it was there at one point in the rom then it can be activated back [htc never removes things completely just simply deactivates it] we just need to find where to activate it.
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dunno how you get us being smartasses? just informing you the truth and facts of the matter.
one would of thought HTC would of included panaramic photos too but they had bugs in it so they took it out at last min and plan to add it back in future OTA. same should be for the 1080p.
its not a hardware limitation.
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Because you didn't just agree with him and close the thread.
The Amaze has a VERY nice camera app, beats our stock app in a few ways. I searched and found it had been ported to the Evo 3D, the graphics were a little screwy, and it FC'S when you take a pic.
Anyone willing and able to port this, fix the graphics and fonts and get it to work?
What's different or better?
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More bells and whistles mostly, a LOT more scenes to choose from, a higher ISO setting, also, the Evo 3D guys are claiming much improved pic quality. Plus, options are good I THINK its the same sensor in ours and the Amaze?
you could just improve the stock camera app give me a couple of minutes and ill make a commit to my svn with a better camera app
So far I'm not a fan of the stock camera app.... no metering option, ISO only to 800, most of the scenes seem worthless. The picture adjustments change too severely. But mostly, it ruins pics by defaulting to way too high ISO, and too much saturation.
I've been using Vignette and getting MUCH better results.
You can pull the APK from any of their roms and try to install it, you might have to wait until we have root access and push it though.
def agree the camera has room for improvement
the worst thing with the stock app has to be the utterly ridiculous white balance.... NONE of the options give a result that is anywhere near correct in artificial lighting.
I heard in all the reviews the sensor was improved, but i dont see how over my thunderbolt or incredible2. Cant wait til this whole country is covered in 4g so i dont need a new sim card everytime i use a non 4g phone, utterly wasteful
The sensor DOES seem to be much improved. I took a video last night in very low light that my Dinc NEVER would have been able to get. It would have been a blurry mess. I've gotten some good low light pics too. But I've been using Vignette which blows the stock camera app away in both picture quality and number of options. It was my kids birthday yesterday, we took her to Chuck E Cheese, forgot to bring our point and shoot, but the Rez made a more than adequate substitute....
for anyone not impressed with this camera please do yourself a favor and try some alternate software....
This thread is in the wrong forum.
if you were to take a 13mp camera for example from the droid razr hd in china, and pop it in the rezound, would it work? or would you need programming for it?
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if you were to take a 13mp camera for example from the droid razr hd in china, and pop it in the rezound, would it work? or would you need programming for it?
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nope.....needs kernel support...the libraries need to support it as well
*bump*
Still holding out hope for a ported Amaze camera app or an improved stock app...
EDIT: for what its worth, the camera hardware is pretty decent. I've been using Vignette as my primary camera app and consistently get better results than the stock app. It also has many more options and adjustments available.
The downside is it is slow, clunky, and not well integrated like the stock app. I find I have to constantly babysit the settings to get the really good results, and getting to the gallery or sending messages requires leaving the app as the built in "shortcuts" don't work correctly.
The evo 3d apk works but takes really screwed up pictures
I rooted and pushed the amaze one and it wouldn't show up in Apps. I tried installing it from apk, and it fails after like 1 second of trying to install
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weird.... I got one that was ported from the Amaze FOR the 3D, it installs from apk, launches and works but FC's when trying to save a picture.
*bump* since it was moved and because I KNOW some one out there could easily do this...
I'm really looking forward to putting an AOSP rom on this phone but I don't think I can live without the sense camera's burst mode feature. With the OG EVO, AOSP roms were always lacking in the camera department, specifically when it came to 720p video recording.
Once there are decent AOSP roms out for this phone, will there be a way to keep burst mode? Even a 3rd party camera app would do but I haven't searched around the Play store yet.
Use THIS.
I used to use that on my 3D and it works great!
There is a lite version as well.
jayjam99 said:
Use THIS.
I used to use that on my 3D and it works great!
There is a lite version as well.
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Thanks. I'll give the Lite one a try. It doesn't have support for flash, focus, zoom, and shutter sound toggle but for my purposes I probably won't need them anyway.
It's also very likely that no 3rd party app will be able to take advantage of the imagesense chip in our phones.
I read somewhere that the burst feature is going to be in the qualcom sdk they are going to release soon will post when I find it
Edit and here it is
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/26/qualcomm-to-deliver-snapdragon-sdk-to-android-developers/
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The one thing holding me back from flashing cm10 is the fact that I lose the TW camera. The HDR function in it works _so_ well.
I've tried a few free versions of various HDR apps and they all suck compared to the TW one.
Does anyone have experience with any of the ones on the market and can maybe share their settings?
HDR/MDR
I don't consider any mobile camera good. Any cheapest point-n-shoot will punch it in face. If u got SGS3 for camera - u r wrong.
I heard Photoshop can do HDR - so look into that. Also PlayMarket is a good source of information.
I disagree. The camera on this phone is more than adequate, and HDR is impressive
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bravomail said:
I don't consider any mobile camera good. Any cheapest point-n-shoot will punch it in face. If u got SGS3 for camera - u r wrong.
I heard Photoshop can do HDR - so look into that. Also PlayMarket is a good source of information.
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meh, camera is great for my neeeds.
as for ps doing hdr, you need an hdr image first for ps to be able to manipulate the exposure and b/w settings.
what is PlayMarket? Something that reviews playstore apps?
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I don't consider any mobile camera good. Any cheapest point-n-shoot will punch it in face.
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Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just your POV?
Check out vignette. I'm pretty sure it has an HDR function in it.
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bravomail said:
I don't consider any mobile camera good. Any cheapest point-n-shoot will punch it in face. If u got SGS3 for camera - u r wrong.
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Any recent cheap point in shoot will do better in terms of IQ.
Having said that even cell phone cameras vary in quality and if you use them then you'd be silly not to take that into account if it is important to you, even if you've got another camera that is better.... nothing wrong with buying the S3 for the camera. Not sure how that would be "wrong".
the camera was like 70% of my interest in getting the S3. I have a nikon d7000 DSLR and know that the cell camera will never be able to get close to that beast but sometimes I don't want to lug around my dslr and having a cell that can take great pictures is a huge plus especially if you don't want to carry a point and shoot and a cell phone at the same time.
JFigure said:
The one thing holding me back from flashing cm10 is the fact that I lose the TW camera. The HDR function in it works _so_ well.
I've tried a few free versions of various HDR apps and they all suck compared to the TW one.
Does anyone have experience with any of the ones on the market and can maybe share their settings?
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I had previously used PRO HDR on the OG EVO, and it worked great. The EVO 3D didn't support HDR apps at all. The GS3 has a great built-in HDR option, and tried PRO HDR again - the native one is better!
So for now I'm sticking with the stock camera (I'm rooted, but running stock until CM10 has a semi-stable build..).
JFigure said:
The one thing holding me back from flashing cm10 is the fact that I lose the TW camera. The HDR function in it works _so_ well.
I've tried a few free versions of various HDR apps and they all suck compared to the TW one.
Does anyone have experience with any of the ones on the market and can maybe share their settings?
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Get Camera360! I love this camera, its free and so many effects and you can actually choose between a couple different HDR modes.