Not S-Off, Coders for Wifi Drivers! - HTC Amaze 4G

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I am not an expert, but this is what I have pieced together. I know this is rather long but this will roughly explain Kernels, S-Off, and why Development is lacking.
Here is the way I see community android development. There are themers, Rom chefs, kernel builders, and coders. Themers make most of the visual changes. Rom chefs take a little of everyones efforts and actually puts the Roms together. Kernel builders make the custom kernels for sense, aosp, and miui. The coders are the ones who really understand the code and make the complicated things work (S-off/Root Access/Incomplete drivers/new bootloaders/things like that). Now really everyone works together and there is some crossover in people's abilities but a community really needs all of these in order to fully develop.
Kernels/Drivers:
Think of it this way, the hardware talks to the drivers/kernel and the drivers/kernel talks to the Os. The drivers/kernels are like the translator between two different languages. The problem is that our current kernel made by Htc only knows how to translate from our hardware to Sense. We have to make custom kernels that can translate from our hardware to Aosp Gb, Aosp Ics, or Miui.
The problem:
Faux is extremely talented but here is what he has stated as the problem in making these custom kernels:
Amaze WiFi driver is a modified TI WiFi driver. The major problem is we don't know what HTC did to the WiFi driver for the Amaze.
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Now I have talked to Htc and they said that they won't be releasing the full source code that includes the wifi drivers because of proprietary issues. My guess is that TI is the company that owns the original drivers and they don't want them released. Faux:
TI drivers are designed to work with OMAP Chipsets not Qualcomm chipsets, so HTC had to do some major hacks to make it work with Qualcomm chipset. It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE to reverse engineer what HTC did, it's very time consuming and tedious.
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The Solution
I don't have a solution but that is what this thread is for. We need to brainstorm ideas to make this happen.
Here is a link to Htc Dev if you would like to bug them about it (though I'm not sure this would help)
http://htcdev.com/contact
The other solution is to focus on Coders that can reverse engineer the Wifi drivers. We don't need S-OFF yet! S-Off simply allows users to flash things like a kernel and radio directly to the phone through recovery. THAT IS ALL! It will not help bring Aosp faster! Here is Faux's opinion:
IMHO, S-Off at this stage does very little if at all at this moment. Having a working WiFi source is far more important and will increase development for Amaze than S-Off... S-On is just a minor annoyance...
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I hope that this helps to clear up why development is so slow. We don't have anyone that wants to jump in and build the Wifi drivers so that Faux and Xboarder can make the Kernels for the Aosp Roms to run upon. Xboarder is still at work hacking and slashing at the code to get it working but I think we need someone with years of experience and knowledge to join the efforts. Xboarder is extremely talented but he isn't a code guru yet. Go to the forums of previous phones you have had and look around for people who have re engineered Lib files and phone drivers. Talk to some of the other Kernel builders to see if they are interested in building the driver. This is where we need to focus effort and money in order to stimulate development.
Wifi Driver
From Squish099:
@htcdev Amaze 4G needs missing wifi driver from /platform//hardware/ti/wlan/wl1283 and /wl1283_softAP. Both are missing from Amaze source.
Found it in an old tweet faux sent to htc just after thanksgiving.
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craigtut said:
Listen up, please don't post useless comments. And if people do, don't flame them for 5 pages because of it!​
I am not an expert, but this is what I have pieced together. I know this is rather long but this will roughly explain Kernels, S-Off, and why Development is lacking.
Here is the way I see community android development. There are themers, Rom chefs, kernel builders, and coders. Themers make most of the visual changes. Rom chefs take a little of everyones efforts and actually puts the Roms together. Kernel builders make the custom kernels for sense, aosp, and miui. The coders are the ones who really understand the code and make the complicated things work (S-off/Root Access/Incomplete drivers/new bootloaders/things like that). Now really everyone works together and there is some crossover in people's abilities but a community really needs all of these in order to fully develop.
Kernels/Drivers:
Think of it this way, the hardware talks to the drivers/kernel and the drivers/kernel talks to the Os. The drivers/kernels are like the translator between two different languages. The problem is that our current kernel made by Htc only knows how to translate from our hardware to Sense. We have to make custom kernels that can translate from our hardware to Aosp Gb, Aosp Ics, or Miui.
The problem:
Faux is extremely talented but here is what he has stated as the problem in making these custom kernels:
Now I have talked to Htc and they said that they won't be releasing the full source code because of proprietary issues. My guess is that TI is the company that owns the original drivers and they don't want them released. Faux:
The Solution
I don't have a solution but that is what this thread is for. We need to brainstorm ideas to make this happen.
Here is a link to Htc Dev if you would like to bug them about it (though I'm not sure this would help)
http://htcdev.com/contact
The other solution is to focus on Coders that can reverse engineer the Wifi drivers. We don't need S-OFF yet! S-Off simply allows users to flash things like a kernel and radio directly to the phone through recovery. THAT IS ALL! It will not help bring Aosp faster! Here is Faux's opinion:
I hope that this helps to clear up why development is so slow. We don't have anyone that wants to jump in and build the Wifi drivers so that Faux and Xboarder can make the Kernels for the Aosp Roms to run upon. Xboarder is still at work hacking and slashing at the code to get it working but I think we need someone with years of experience and knowledge to join the efforts. Xboarder is extremely talented but he isn't a code guru yet. Go to the forums of previous phones you have had and look around for people who have re engineered Lib files and phone drivers. Talk to some of the other Kernel builders to see if they are interested in building the driver. This is where we need to focus effort and money in order to stimulate development.
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Good post lots of info, s-off really isn't that much of a big deal. Interesting. The WiFi drivers really are important sucks how HTC handled the amaze, I'm really hoping they're more open with the HTC one thanks for the info.
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I was able to flash kernel through recovery?
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knifeproz said:
I was able to flash kernel through recovery?
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Uhh no...?
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HTC really messed up, and they call them self dev friendly,
same people that has got s-off on the sensation had tried to do for the amaze but they backed off,
but as you made a point s-off isnt really the problem here, the problem seems to be the drivers that htc wont realease
really the only person we have working hard on this device is Xboarder and binary100100 is doing what he can.
and he has done a really good job, and noobs had got on his nerves. We can not afford to lose him.
i really wish this phone have more developers working on getting things right, like that saying says two brains is better than one
i really love my phone but in the other hand i love roms. and as this phone its not a worldwide phone like the sensation i can understand the lack of developers
as you all know that the sensation have 40+ roms,themes,radios,kernerls,tweaks
sometimes i regret of getting rid of it, but specks says this is a better one,
had you guys ever though about asking for help on the android development forum? we might get lucky and find somebody that is willing to help.
but anyways thank you for saying it like it is and get us understand more of the situation, and me as i think all of you, would do anything to help..

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I'm no dev, but i have done something
I HAVE PMED TWO KERNEL DEVELOPERS , TO LOOK INTO THIS THREAD TO GIVE A GLANCE , IF THEY CAN GIVE ANY INPUT ABOUT IT..
If there is any reply from them , i'll let the community know..

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I think this is one of the important thread, we should probably have it in Development section and should be made sticky.

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Mafioso said:
I think this is one of the important thread, we should probably have it in Development section and should be made sticky.
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Lol good luck finding an active moderator to do anything in this Amaze forum besides handing out infractions. Binary bounced
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glacierguy said:
Lol good luck finding an active moderator to do anything in this Amaze forum besides handing out infractions. Binary bounced
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yeah, you will have more luck if you are looking for trolls flaming moderators indeed
Anyway,we cant stick everything in development, but i will see what i can do
Edit: oké, i will make a sticky collection thread.
So we will have less thread's sticked.
One or two sticked with all important info

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This thread should be priority one in the Amaze forum.

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Max Krivonos has Wifi working on his CM9 build for Amaze. Once he gets everything else working (which is limited to the rest of the radios, camera, and USB charge detection), I imagine the source will be released for use.

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Accophox said:
Max Krivonos has Wifi working on his CM9 build for Amaze. Once he gets everything else working (which is limited to the rest of the radios, camera, and USB charge detection), I imagine the source will be released for use.
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agreed. football usually drops a leak well ahead of the time ota goes live. either way, once we get the ics kernel, im rocking cm9 for good

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mrmako777 said:
agreed. football usually drops a leak well ahead of the time ota goes live. either way, once we get the ics kernel, im rocking cm9 for good
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Official ota will help but I don't think it will work for aosp. It will still only work with the sense until faux does some of his magic to it.
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Once cm9 comes out ill use it till aosp is out. I wasn't a huge fan of cm9 for hd2 but might change for this device!
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craigtut said:
Official ota will help but I don't think it will work for aosp. It will still only work with the sense until faux does some of his magic to it.
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dont quote me, but i think max said once he got a hold of the ics leak, he could use the wifi drivers from there...or something to that effect

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he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation

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gypsy214 said:
he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation
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If I was a Dev I would take any help I could get =\
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Xxxpachaxxx is a kernel developer for dhd..he is looking into it but he wants to know what is the driver number for HTC amaze ...
Can some1 pleease tell me what it is ASAP!!
Is it bcm4329 ?? Fast please
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dullhunk said:
Xxxpachaxxx is a kernel developer for dhd..he is looking into it but he wants to know what is the driver number for HTC amaze ...
Can some1 pleease tell me what it is ASAP!!
Is it bcm4329 ?? Fast please
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I don't know what it is but you could pm Faux123 for the info.

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gypsy214 said:
he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation
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He's working with a dozen other CM devs on MSM 8x60 devices. He just doesn't care for XDA. And with what this forum is turning into, I don't blame him.
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