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Listen up, please don't post useless comments. And if people do, don't flame them for 5 pages because of it!
I am not an expert, but this is what I have pieced together. I know this is rather long but this will roughly explain Kernels, S-Off, and why Development is lacking.
Here is the way I see community android development. There are themers, Rom chefs, kernel builders, and coders. Themers make most of the visual changes. Rom chefs take a little of everyones efforts and actually puts the Roms together. Kernel builders make the custom kernels for sense, aosp, and miui. The coders are the ones who really understand the code and make the complicated things work (S-off/Root Access/Incomplete drivers/new bootloaders/things like that). Now really everyone works together and there is some crossover in people's abilities but a community really needs all of these in order to fully develop.
Kernels/Drivers:
Think of it this way, the hardware talks to the drivers/kernel and the drivers/kernel talks to the Os. The drivers/kernels are like the translator between two different languages. The problem is that our current kernel made by Htc only knows how to translate from our hardware to Sense. We have to make custom kernels that can translate from our hardware to Aosp Gb, Aosp Ics, or Miui.
The problem:
Faux is extremely talented but here is what he has stated as the problem in making these custom kernels:
Amaze WiFi driver is a modified TI WiFi driver. The major problem is we don't know what HTC did to the WiFi driver for the Amaze.
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Now I have talked to Htc and they said that they won't be releasing the full source code that includes the wifi drivers because of proprietary issues. My guess is that TI is the company that owns the original drivers and they don't want them released. Faux:
TI drivers are designed to work with OMAP Chipsets not Qualcomm chipsets, so HTC had to do some major hacks to make it work with Qualcomm chipset. It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE to reverse engineer what HTC did, it's very time consuming and tedious.
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The Solution
I don't have a solution but that is what this thread is for. We need to brainstorm ideas to make this happen.
Here is a link to Htc Dev if you would like to bug them about it (though I'm not sure this would help)
http://htcdev.com/contact
The other solution is to focus on Coders that can reverse engineer the Wifi drivers. We don't need S-OFF yet! S-Off simply allows users to flash things like a kernel and radio directly to the phone through recovery. THAT IS ALL! It will not help bring Aosp faster! Here is Faux's opinion:
IMHO, S-Off at this stage does very little if at all at this moment. Having a working WiFi source is far more important and will increase development for Amaze than S-Off... S-On is just a minor annoyance...
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I hope that this helps to clear up why development is so slow. We don't have anyone that wants to jump in and build the Wifi drivers so that Faux and Xboarder can make the Kernels for the Aosp Roms to run upon. Xboarder is still at work hacking and slashing at the code to get it working but I think we need someone with years of experience and knowledge to join the efforts. Xboarder is extremely talented but he isn't a code guru yet. Go to the forums of previous phones you have had and look around for people who have re engineered Lib files and phone drivers. Talk to some of the other Kernel builders to see if they are interested in building the driver. This is where we need to focus effort and money in order to stimulate development.
Wifi Driver
From Squish099:
@htcdev Amaze 4G needs missing wifi driver from /platform//hardware/ti/wlan/wl1283 and /wl1283_softAP. Both are missing from Amaze source.
Found it in an old tweet faux sent to htc just after thanksgiving.
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craigtut said:
Listen up, please don't post useless comments. And if people do, don't flame them for 5 pages because of it!
I am not an expert, but this is what I have pieced together. I know this is rather long but this will roughly explain Kernels, S-Off, and why Development is lacking.
Here is the way I see community android development. There are themers, Rom chefs, kernel builders, and coders. Themers make most of the visual changes. Rom chefs take a little of everyones efforts and actually puts the Roms together. Kernel builders make the custom kernels for sense, aosp, and miui. The coders are the ones who really understand the code and make the complicated things work (S-off/Root Access/Incomplete drivers/new bootloaders/things like that). Now really everyone works together and there is some crossover in people's abilities but a community really needs all of these in order to fully develop.
Kernels/Drivers:
Think of it this way, the hardware talks to the drivers/kernel and the drivers/kernel talks to the Os. The drivers/kernels are like the translator between two different languages. The problem is that our current kernel made by Htc only knows how to translate from our hardware to Sense. We have to make custom kernels that can translate from our hardware to Aosp Gb, Aosp Ics, or Miui.
The problem:
Faux is extremely talented but here is what he has stated as the problem in making these custom kernels:
Now I have talked to Htc and they said that they won't be releasing the full source code because of proprietary issues. My guess is that TI is the company that owns the original drivers and they don't want them released. Faux:
The Solution
I don't have a solution but that is what this thread is for. We need to brainstorm ideas to make this happen.
Here is a link to Htc Dev if you would like to bug them about it (though I'm not sure this would help)
http://htcdev.com/contact
The other solution is to focus on Coders that can reverse engineer the Wifi drivers. We don't need S-OFF yet! S-Off simply allows users to flash things like a kernel and radio directly to the phone through recovery. THAT IS ALL! It will not help bring Aosp faster! Here is Faux's opinion:
I hope that this helps to clear up why development is so slow. We don't have anyone that wants to jump in and build the Wifi drivers so that Faux and Xboarder can make the Kernels for the Aosp Roms to run upon. Xboarder is still at work hacking and slashing at the code to get it working but I think we need someone with years of experience and knowledge to join the efforts. Xboarder is extremely talented but he isn't a code guru yet. Go to the forums of previous phones you have had and look around for people who have re engineered Lib files and phone drivers. Talk to some of the other Kernel builders to see if they are interested in building the driver. This is where we need to focus effort and money in order to stimulate development.
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Good post lots of info, s-off really isn't that much of a big deal. Interesting. The WiFi drivers really are important sucks how HTC handled the amaze, I'm really hoping they're more open with the HTC one thanks for the info.
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I was able to flash kernel through recovery?
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knifeproz said:
I was able to flash kernel through recovery?
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Uhh no...?
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HTC really messed up, and they call them self dev friendly,
same people that has got s-off on the sensation had tried to do for the amaze but they backed off,
but as you made a point s-off isnt really the problem here, the problem seems to be the drivers that htc wont realease
really the only person we have working hard on this device is Xboarder and binary100100 is doing what he can.
and he has done a really good job, and noobs had got on his nerves. We can not afford to lose him.
i really wish this phone have more developers working on getting things right, like that saying says two brains is better than one
i really love my phone but in the other hand i love roms. and as this phone its not a worldwide phone like the sensation i can understand the lack of developers
as you all know that the sensation have 40+ roms,themes,radios,kernerls,tweaks
sometimes i regret of getting rid of it, but specks says this is a better one,
had you guys ever though about asking for help on the android development forum? we might get lucky and find somebody that is willing to help.
but anyways thank you for saying it like it is and get us understand more of the situation, and me as i think all of you, would do anything to help..
I'm no dev, but i have done something
I HAVE PMED TWO KERNEL DEVELOPERS , TO LOOK INTO THIS THREAD TO GIVE A GLANCE , IF THEY CAN GIVE ANY INPUT ABOUT IT..
If there is any reply from them , i'll let the community know..
I think this is one of the important thread, we should probably have it in Development section and should be made sticky.
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I think this is one of the important thread, we should probably have it in Development section and should be made sticky.
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Lol good luck finding an active moderator to do anything in this Amaze forum besides handing out infractions. Binary bounced
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glacierguy said:
Lol good luck finding an active moderator to do anything in this Amaze forum besides handing out infractions. Binary bounced
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yeah, you will have more luck if you are looking for trolls flaming moderators indeed
Anyway,we cant stick everything in development, but i will see what i can do
Edit: oké, i will make a sticky collection thread.
So we will have less thread's sticked.
One or two sticked with all important info
This thread should be priority one in the Amaze forum.
Max Krivonos has Wifi working on his CM9 build for Amaze. Once he gets everything else working (which is limited to the rest of the radios, camera, and USB charge detection), I imagine the source will be released for use.
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Max Krivonos has Wifi working on his CM9 build for Amaze. Once he gets everything else working (which is limited to the rest of the radios, camera, and USB charge detection), I imagine the source will be released for use.
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agreed. football usually drops a leak well ahead of the time ota goes live. either way, once we get the ics kernel, im rocking cm9 for good
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agreed. football usually drops a leak well ahead of the time ota goes live. either way, once we get the ics kernel, im rocking cm9 for good
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Official ota will help but I don't think it will work for aosp. It will still only work with the sense until faux does some of his magic to it.
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Once cm9 comes out ill use it till aosp is out. I wasn't a huge fan of cm9 for hd2 but might change for this device!
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craigtut said:
Official ota will help but I don't think it will work for aosp. It will still only work with the sense until faux does some of his magic to it.
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dont quote me, but i think max said once he got a hold of the ics leak, he could use the wifi drivers from there...or something to that effect
he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation
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he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation
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If I was a Dev I would take any help I could get =\
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Xxxpachaxxx is a kernel developer for dhd..he is looking into it but he wants to know what is the driver number for HTC amaze ...
Can some1 pleease tell me what it is ASAP!!
Is it bcm4329 ?? Fast please
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dullhunk said:
Xxxpachaxxx is a kernel developer for dhd..he is looking into it but he wants to know what is the driver number for HTC amaze ...
Can some1 pleease tell me what it is ASAP!!
Is it bcm4329 ?? Fast please
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I don't know what it is but you could pm Faux123 for the info.
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he already have wifi working on cm9, but not calls, and he wont take any help. this once used to be a family in devs working together trying to get things right but now its just a race on who release it first, same thing happened on the sensation
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He's working with a dozen other CM devs on MSM 8x60 devices. He just doesn't care for XDA. And with what this forum is turning into, I don't blame him.
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if you dont know who mdeejay is look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2754407
he is an amazing dev
ill update more on him later
but show some love, im thinking of making some sort of bounty to get him the Device
He got Sense 4 working on various devices
Please leave some feedback if you want him here
I tried contacting him before. I never got a response.
These are all threads started by mdeejay:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=27093095
As you can see he's an awesome developer. We need someone like this in the Amaze forums.
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I tried contacting him before. I never got a response.
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Not if we flood him with request, he is sure to respond
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If he is actually wanting to work on the amaze I'd be glad to donate, mdeejay does great stuff used his stuff on the sensation. This is a dev I would love to get the device to if he is actually wanting to work on the amaze and own a device. Kinda sucks right now to get a device for someone at this moment with newer devices coming out it seems like most devs want to move on to those newer devices. It'd be awesome to have a dev who would actually want to own and use an amaze. Back when I was on the galaxy s2 forum they got Eugene373 a phone and because he was gonna use it as his phone he ended up bringing them so much great roms. To throw a device into a devs hands who is just willing to work on a couple roms for us, is kind of a shakey idea on one side its great and appreciated that they wanna help the amaze community out on the other hand they got lives and their preferred devices so you never know how long they will be willing to help out for.
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If we can get him here, that would be awesome and I am willing to help. The more the merrier
Any luck with this, has he expressed any desire picking up our device?
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He already said he would not work on a phone he doesn't have, also he is not noob friendly all his threads have the noon xda video on the bottom. Lmao.
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ebatr8 said:
Kinda sucks right now to get a device for someone at this moment with newer devices coming out it seems like most devs want to move on to those newer devices.
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I would argue the quoted part above - our device still isn't even remotely obsolete. I was at a tmobile yesterday with a guy who works there who owned an amaze previously, but they gave him a htc one.. he isn't impressed. It is slimmer, and it includes beats - but otherwise it is the same phone without being able to access battery or have a microSD.
Sure, the international version is quad-core, but the newest phones in the US haven't made any attempt at pushing hardware specs-- we are still good competition.
There are a ton of devs that are still developing for devices that are definitely inferior to ours spec wise, that alone is a very big factor.. if they use our phone, they will fall in love(or they have bad taste!)
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I would argue the quoted part above - our device still isn't even remotely obsolete. I was at a tmobile yesterday with a guy who works there who owned an amaze previously, but they gave him a htc one.. he isn't impressed. It is slimmer, and it includes beats - but otherwise it is the same phone without being able to access battery or have a microSD.
Sure, the international version is quad-core, but the newest phones in the US haven't made any attempt at pushing hardware specs-- we are still good competition.
There are a ton of devs that are still developing for devices that are definitely inferior to ours spec wise, that alone is a very big factor.. if they use our phone, they will fall in love(or they have bad taste!)
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Well I partially agree with you, its not so much that the amaze is a bad device, its not behind the curve nor is it stale, however, the newer devices are easier to dev for from looking at the one s and one x even with no kernel source they are farther along. I love the amaze and I don't see anything compelling enough to upgrade to anytime soon. With that being said the amaze is no walk in the park to dev for, with missing drivers its already a not so easy phone to deal with, I truly hope if mdeejay or any developer that gets our device for that matter likes it the way owners of it do so that they can see a reason to get it beyond just helping us.
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ebatr8 said:
Well I partially agree with you, its not so much that the amaze is a bad device, its not behind the curve nor is it stale, however, the newer devices are easier to dev for from looking at the one s and one x even with no kernel source they are farther along. I love the amaze and I don't see anything compelling enough to upgrade to anytime soon. With that being said the amaze is no walk in the park to dev for, with missing drivers its already a not so easy phone to deal with, I truly hope if mdeejay or any developer that gets our device for that matter likes it the way owners of it do so that they can see a reason to get it beyond just helping us.
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The one series have kernel source
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EclipzeRemix said:
The one series have kernel source
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Yep, you beat me to it http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
I know we will get source, but with only a week or so since the OFFICIAL OTA ICS, it may not be quite yet.. but we will get it, then it is ON.
Hey, and I like your edit framework.jar slides from earlier..
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The one series have kernel source
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Oh didn't know that, I have a one s but don't personally use it hopefully we see a new dev here soon.
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Well this got sidetracked...
Bring Mdeejay over here
The more the merrier
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Lol you would glacier haha
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Hm... we're working on another person too so keep your fingers crossed
When I had an Iconia I used his ROMs and they were pretty good. He helped out when he could. I would like to see more developers here too, but until we have a complete source code we not be left to rust. I'm grateful for all the support right now but we only have one custom kernel.
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if you dont know who mdeejay is look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2754407
he is an amazing dev
ill update more on him later
but show some love, im thinking of making some sort of bounty to get him the Device
He got Sense 4 working on various devices
Please leave some feedback if you want him here
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Do you have any replies from him yet?
If we get an official response from mdeejay we can get the ball rolling on this.
So. What now?
There is few - non-complete - ICS roms for the htc flyer, but nothing good enough for daily use.
We didn't even get android 4 before android 5 was out... :crying:
Drew Garen is apparently working on ICS. Maybe he should be asked to try to work on Jellybean instead?
What do you think? Will it be harder to get Jellybean? Will it ever be done?
I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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j510 said:
I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
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I was kind of hoping DG would actually do something...
However, I have been positively surprised with other developers before. Honestly I don't want another tablet either.
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I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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Yes, I suppose all hope is lost with DG. A shame he was given money to do it, when he couldn't. Anyways, I hope we get either...
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This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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I personally want to use my device as long as the hardware is okay. (I still have my HTC hero, haha.) I think the lesson here is to buy a device that has loads of rom developers.
Anyways, thanks for all the replies!
Man everyone is obsessing over jelly bean...why? It's a minor update.. its a miracle chaos got ics running on this device, asking for jelly bean is a new monster. Id rather the focus be on getting ics perfect for the tablet than start over on a new monster. And idk about jelly beans New tablet mode, Id prefer the tablet ui that was introduced with honeycomb.
Thing is google cranks out new android versions quickly. People won't keep this tab forever, including developers. So the best possible experience that takes full advantage of the flyers hardware needs to be the goal not desperately trying to scrape together parts to get another version of android on the tab. Really I'm fine with honeycomb aside from the lag, and ioiwillio is working on that and so far so good
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I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
It sounds great to get a Nexus 7 maybe 16g at least. I don't know if they have sdcard slot, that would awesome. The HTC EVO View still has great potential as a school tool. I take it everywhere take notes, make beats, do homework, watch movies, listen to music, text everyone and email. I hardly carry my phone to school or laptop. I think its still very functional, even the Gingerbread works fine on this device. I can even code. It's definitively not a 12 core that I treasure so much as to not carry it outside my home in sunny Southern California.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
Big Bro indeed. As much as I like Google, their goal of collecting all information is frightening. Information is power - someone with too much power is a tyrant.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
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I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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AS Gumby said earlier i do not think it is too hard to do, i am not even sure it requires Kernel changes in order to get it working, i believe that it can share the same kernel as AOSP ICS, however don't quote me on this. I will have a look at this with whoever decides to develop
@Gumby you up for this ? ?
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lawguy said:
I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
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This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Cor-master said:
Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Do you have a link for that??
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not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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Cor-master said:
not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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ioiwillioi said:
According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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cool. with a jelly bean rom I might just keep the flyer and pass on the nexus all together!
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ioiwillioi said:
This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
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Yes. It seems like I am wrong about it anyway. There IS a landscape mode in the UI.
I am thinking about ordering one. It is a shame because the Flyer has better hardware in some respects (rear camera, SD slot, MHL support). But, Nexus 7 hardware is good enough and, most importantly, it has Google supporting it so we will surely get timely software updates for a while at least. Also, I am sure that there will be a ton of Dev activity becasue this is a Google product and will probably be at least moderately successful.
Hope the community of flyer grow stronger and stronger. Anyway it is not old enough to die, with all this, All the flyer will have a longer life:fingers-crossed:
ioiwillioi said:
According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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We need a ICS kernel first, and I was pretty sure the framework changes were rather intensive.
From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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I'm kinda thinking that too. Ideally what I think would be perfect for the flyer is a launcher with a honeycomb layout that auto rotates to both portrait and landscape and has no dock and the apps and search bar up top just like honeycomb. Then you have the notification bar up top, virtual keys disabled, and hardware keys enabled and bam perfect flyer layout!
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OK, so
I am looking to setup a development team, mainly (for the moment) based around the HTC Flyer. However i am looking to expand this further to other deveices shortly.
I am looking for ALL experience levels, whether it be that you have never developed before and would like to learn to the point where you could develop android from the ground up
I am looking for a truly multi skilled team of developers.
If anyone is interested please let me know, either PM me on XDA or Reply to this thread
ALSO you dont have to want to develop it may be that you can offer Web Hosting etc, any suggetion is helpful so if you want to be involved please mention it
I might have to get back with you. I still dunno if I'm going to keep my flyer, and baby is coming any day so I dunno how much time I'll have, but I'd love to help out anyway I can.
So no ONES interested!?!
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ioiwillioi said:
So no ONES interested!?!
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Like i said i am just gotta get back to ya at this point.
A development team is definitely needed for the flyer. Really its what made the difference on the captivate. Instead of one guy trying to figure out everything you had entire teams working on stuff. Faster updates, and hell it had aosp alpha ics before the Nexus even came out! But to be fair that captivate was a lot better seller than the flyer.
That being said we have a lot of great developers here. Instead of everyone working on their own projects I think a merge is needed. We might be able to pull off a pure senseless aosp looking honeycomb if everyone merged their efforts.
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Sorry I'm not a huge fan of providing support for end users, answering the same question a million times, and constantly explaining to people why something is possible. It's easier just to tweak my kernels and ROMs how I like it and leave it at that. Best of luck to you though.
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Sorry I'm not a huge fan of providing support for end users, answering the same question a million times, and constantly explaining to people why something is possible. It's easier just to tweak my kernels and ROMs how I like it and leave it at that. Best of luck to you though.
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Could you not release a source for me to work on through gut hib?? That would be enough of a contribution
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If you want to base yours off a already working source(which is fine), why not just use Leedroid's? His kernel's are light years beyond most people's around here.
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If you want to base yours off a already working source(which is fine), why not just use Leedroid's? His kernel's are light years beyond most people's around here.
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He's got some strange issues with reboot and battery drain and bouts of extreme lag in the Kern that's the only reason :/
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Hmmm...well I'll see what I can do when I get home tonight. At the very least I have a couple patches you could use. One of them adds governor's, another schedulers, and I might be able to whip up a quick one on over-clocking, that however would be device(more explicitly processor) specific. We'll see how much time I have here though.
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Hmmm...well I'll see what I can do when I get home tonight. At the very least I have a couple patches you could use. One of them adds governor's, another schedulers, and I might be able to whip up a quick one on over-clocking, that however would be device(more explicitly processor) specific. We'll see how much time I have here though.
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The OC thing is not too important but the other 2 patches would be good, if you don't want to release under GPL send me a link to the source and I will release it if you would prefer, that way there is no problems and you don't get hounded about support
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Any news ??
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Sorry I've been playing with some smali hacks so I haven't booted into my Linux partition recently. Once I do I'll let you know.
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I'm not developer - i'm designs related guy. (motion designs actually). Not sure that I can help a lot - but if I can be usefully - give me a shot.
I'm going to try and create a custom honeycomb launcher soon. I got a lot to learn but if it all pans out it'll look like aosp honeycomb and have features like adw and go launched. If I can get past all that and create something I might look into optimizing it for the adreno 205 gpu and that goes well I might see if sense widget support is possible. But for now I'm just going to see what I can create. If I can pull off a working launcher I'll join and let you use it as the official ioidroid launcher
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I'm going to try and create a custom honeycomb launcher soon. I got a lot to learn but if it all pans out it'll look like aosp honeycomb and have features like adw and go launched. If I can get past all that and create something I might look into optimizing it for the adreno 205 gpu and that goes well I might see if sense widget support is possible. But for now I'm just going to see what I can create. If I can pull off a working launcher I'll join and let you use it as the official ioidroid launcher
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I think people have been trying for Sense widgets for quite a while now. Something about verification/Authentication was the last thing I remember holding them up.
Yeah no promises there. It's about the same across all manufacturers ie touch wiz widgets don't work on adw for example. Really no promises at all yet gonna start small and see if I can get a working launcher first then go from there.
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Ok guys,
Im on vacation until Friday so i will continue work then, i dont suppose any of you are graphic designers ?? I want a logo and a signature pic for IOIDroid ROMS ??
Anyone anygood with graphics ?? If you are could someone design one and send me it ??
Ok guys,
Im on vacation until Friday so i will continue work then, i dont suppose any of you are graphic designers ?? I want a logo and a signature pic for IOIDroid ROMS ??
Anyone anygood with graphics ?? If you are could someone design one and send me it ??
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Ok guys,
Im on vacation until Friday so i will continue work then, i dont suppose any of you are graphic designers ?? I want a logo and a signature pic for IOIDroid ROMS ??
Anyone anygood with graphics ?? If you are could someone design one and send me it ??
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Have fun on vacation man! Can't help you on the logo unfortunately :-(
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Contact me via pm.
OK, so I'm no developer or anything (willing to learn, but I don't want to distract any devs ), but I wanted to get some momentum going for job on our flyers! It looks just amazing! And wth the nexus 7 coming soon, we have a chance to port it I feel! I know that the days of developing on the flyer forum are dark, especially with lee gone for a while as well as others, nut I feel like we can still pull this off! We can start discussions on this forum or merge with the dev ics one, I just felt like we needed the push to do it. God bless everyone developing the flyer, and great job so far, especially with ics Lisbon! Love it! Thanks for reading, I hope you consider this
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OK, so I'm no developer or anything (willing to learn, but I don't want to distract any devs ), but I wanted to get some momentum going for job on our flyers! It looks just amazing! And wth the nexus 7 coming soon, we have a chance to port it I feel! I know that the days of developing on the flyer forum are dark, especially with lee gone for a while as well as others, nut I feel like we can still pull this off! We can start discussions on this forum or merge with the dev ics one, I just felt like we needed the push to do it. God bless everyone developing the flyer, and great job so far, especially with ics Lisbon! Love it! Thanks for reading, I hope you consider this
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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Yeah, I knew chaos is on vacation, plus he will have a huge demand on ics Lisbon I imagine too. Maybe future jelly bean builds will be easier to build from too, but I do think this can and should be able to be done!
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Honestly I would just wait until source is out..
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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Well, the Tegra 3 is STILL Arm Cortex A9 cores. Only the Qualcomm Snapdragons have slightly different cores like Krait (aka 8960) which might need optimization and I am sure Qualcomm has then and will release their custom kernel when their JB products are in the market.
Just to maintain focus on simpler things in life. I am sure Chaos would appreciate, the momentum of Lisbon 1.2 is there and there is not much more to go really. The only major thing is really BT but that might have restrictions on calling for those with 3G flyer. For wifi only Flyers, keyboard support and headset support would be very welcomed. For people who has used this ROM, they must admit that the experience is greatest ever for any ROM on the working parts. So, if we can get stability and a few more functions working, we are home free!.
For Pen support, I think it is of little priority since the original Pen functionality are limited, so very seldom used.
PS: I would be very keen to see a more updated kernel in the build unless someone says, there is not much in terms of functionality we can expect, nor speed, nor Free RAM. In fact, there has not been a problem with free RAM on the flyer to date that I know of. As it is, this development is already amazing! :victory:
İ will definitely not port a N7 image, very near to impossible. İ will only work on the source code of JB, not using ports.
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Chaosz-X said:
İ will definitely not port a N7 image, very near to impossible. İ will only work on the source code of JB, not using ports.
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I hope we get fully working ICS somday... We even dont have that with HC
JellyBean 4.1.1 got released today (winfuture.de News)
Let's ask drew garen
j510 said:
Let's ask drew garen
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I really hope your joking
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