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+10 char. Barnes and nobles.
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
u forgot link http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
that was fast
This is awesome.
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
Don't mean to sound dumb, but what exactly is this a link for?
Hopefully the link is to the source code used to compile the Android OS on the Nook Color.
Maybe I will even finally compile me some Android.
At the very least it would seem that combining parts of this with AOSP 2.2 might yield one / several usable froyo kernels for the NC. Easy to say, definitely more complicated to actually do.
Ypocaramel said:
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
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I like the device so much, alll I do is talk about how good it is and how it compares for the money.
I highly recommend it to everyone looking for a reader, that's capable of much more.
I'm surprised how many people are interested
I bought one yesterday and already have it rooted. Additionally, I have ADW Launcher, all of my favorite apps/games, DroidX keyboard, etc. I agree that this is easily one of the best values in the tablet segment. I'm really eager to see Android 2.2/2.3 though.
I got my Nook last week and use it quite a bit. I too agree it is the best tablet around, especially when you consider the price point. I'm using it now even with tapatalk. Most of my friends are probably tired if hearing me extol its virtues. Once Froyo or Gingerbread hits, along with bluetooth (if possible) this thing will be even more awesome.
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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The answer to honeycomb relies on two things (the way i see it):
1) We must be able to boot custom roms. From what i gather, alot of progress is being made there already, so i doubt that will be too much of an issue. If we can get a recovery option, and be able to do nandroid backups, it would be even safer.
2) The hardware must meet HC's specs. This is the real question mark - what kind of hardware will HC actually need? As it is, our tablets really aren't lacking in the hardware department, and a custom overclocked/undervolted kernel should really help (speed boost to 1.0-1.2). As it is, our A8 CPU and SGX530 GPU are no slouch (though yes, our GPU is weaker than top end gear), and the 512MB ram should really help performance. Again, it comes down to what custom kernels and roms can be cooked up for our hardware..
B&N Clerk Talked About Hacking It
jtreminio said:
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
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Hi,
I got one yesterday. Can’t open it until Christmas, since it’s my present from my wife. Anyway, when I bought it the clerk was talking about training. I told ther that the person that was getting it was very tech savvy. She said “They will get it home and hack it in about an hour. You know it can be hacked into a full tablet computer.”
This was from the cashier.
Best sub 300 tablet in the market right now
Its basically a 7 inch droid x
Hope we get aosp rom soon
Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
what are the specks on the nook?
easy9 said:
what are the specks on the nook?
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Check the specs on the wiki page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nook_Color
Smooth...
I have been watching this ColorNook development since they announced it coming to market.
Bought one 5 days ago after autonook was finished. For $250 it beats the market tablets hands down. Tethered it wirelessly to my Droid and I was in business.
Glad I made the leap. Rotting took less than an hour. Great job guys.
Thanks
The nook color is an awesome little device! I chose it over the galaxy tab, (it was way too expensive, & i didn't want another two year contract with sprint). It's crazy how much people on craigslist are charging for a tab, they get up to $600!, no thank you, i'm happy with my autonootered/rooted nook, & it didn't cost me an arm and a leg I recommend you guys pick one up, it's only gonna' get better.
Just ordered one although i was a bit hesitant after reading a lot of negative feedback on them. After further investigation it seemed as though most of the complaints were related to the factory software ?? ive done a bunch of reading and plan on modding it from day one. From what ive gathered you first load clockworkmod, then do a backup, then load your rom and lastly root if necessary (if the rom isnt already) only thing i havnt decided on is which rom. I see there are quite a few available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874258 but honestly i wouldnt mind some up to date opinions on which is working best.
And as the title asks, Do You Like Your Gtablet ??
Make sure you know what bootloader is on your G Tablet BEFORE you start flashing a new ROM! In the reading I have done to date, there are two different bootloader versions out there; 1.1 and 1.2. I thought I was good to go and started to install ClockWorkMod and Cyanogenmod 7 shortly after unboxing. Big mistake. It took a long, long time and tons of research before I was finally able to get it back to a working state.
The links below are a great place to start reading. The 4th link is a guide detailing the steps I went through to restore the G Tablet.
Viewsonic GTablet For Dummies
A New User's Guide to modding your GTablet device
[FAQ] Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs Frequently Asked Questions (READ THIS FIRST)
Viewsonic G-Tablet 1.1 ROM Development
Viewsonic G-Tablet 1.2 ROM Development
Guide - Restore G Tablet after a Failed Recovery Mode "update.zip"
Personally I like the G Tablet. Sure, it might not have the polish of some of the "high end" tablets, but for the price I think it is a good deal. Of course the stock ROM leaves much to be desired.
Shortly after getting the G Tablet restored, I have been running roebeet's Brilliant Corners ROM with VTL.launcher. I like both alot.
Hope this helps. Have fun!
djab67
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Well thats good to know about the bootloader, i hadnt noticed anything on that. Sounds like you just saved me a major headache.
I'll read all the links supplied, thanks for that. i dont mind doing my homework i just got to a point before there where i felt like i was going around and round in circles lol
I bought one of the flytouch 3's first and was kinda disappointed, it had decent functionality with the tim5a rom but the resistive screens are junk. The gtablet is the cheapest capacative touch 10" tablet i could find and paired with the tegra 2 gpu, 512mb ram and 16gb internal, not even mentioning the other options, it seemed like a steal at $269 with free shipping from tigerdirect.
Ill look into the roebeet's Brilliant Corners ROM with VTL.launcher and give that one a try, is that one of the most recently developed roms for this tab ?
Thanks again...
I agree, it is a good deal for the features included. I really don't have any medium or major complaints with a custom ROM installed. There are some minor things I would like to see improved, but those probably would have pushed the price up.
Brilliant Corners is fairly recent, the last build was on 5/20. It is froyo based, so it isn't the latest and greatest out there, but I find it highly useable and stable. There are newer honeycomb based ROMs available here on xda and at the links I sent in the last post. I tried a couple honeycomb versions, but at the time they didn't seem stable enough (the G Tablet was a birthday gift for my wife, so I could not afford periodic crashing/reboots).
To clarify; Brilliant Corners does not come with the VTL.launcher. I downloaded VTL.launcher here on xda (link below).
I would guess that your G Tablet will come with bootloader 1.2, but if it does come with 1.1 the list below has a link to another guide on upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2.
[APP][LAUNCHER] VTL.Launcher 1.6.5 (Tablet Oriented Launcher) [updated 05.19.11]
[GUIDE] Fool proof install for stock 4349 (1.1 to 1.2 upgrade path)
djab67
I love it. I've gone around to different stores to tryout several of the popular new tablets. I wasn't impressed by any of them. My modded gtab seemed faster than most of them, and I only paid $259.
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I have had my gtab for a few months and I enjoy it. have fun and try the different ROM's just be sure to learn how to use NVflash it will be your freind. and there are many helpful people here with alot of knowlage always do a search in the forum many questions have an answer already
I like mine, but dislike the display intensely.
It it what it is, a now somewhat dated (yes, 9 months is forever in the tech world) first generation tegra-2 android tablet with NO manufacturer support.
For $200 or so, it's a not a bad way to PLAY with android tablets, and if you like hacking/modding its a good platform for that.
If you could get a well-supported Honeycomb-based tablet with similar specs and a real display, for $100 more, you'd be nuts not to do so.
I'm running gtabcomb (Honeycomb) on mine. And I really do like it, and use it daily. I guess I didn't really expect to use it as much as I am, because if I did, I would have paid the extra $100 or so and gotten something with a better display.
I like mine as well. I'm running Flashback at the moment. I had gotten mine used off from eBay with Bottle of Smoke on it. I flashed it back to stock and immediately found out why everyone complained about it.
I've tried the ASOP gHarmony GB and really like that one as well, though I've been unable to get the latest loaded.
For me the tablet is great because I like to tinker with it. Last weekend I told my wife, "I'm going to load a new ROM onto my tablet." She asked, "Why?" I didn't have a good answer for her as it seemed seemed self-explanatory.
If someone doesn't want to fiddle with the thing I wouldn't recommend it (thought it is years ahead of the ZT-180 that I had before this! )
ByteWrencher
I am currently in love with GtabComb.
I have used several ROMs since over the past 6 months. To me GtabComb feels like a much smoother experience, more responsive to touch scrolling on the home screen and within apps. Really, now that I have my hands on Honeycomb, I just can't go back to Froyo-based ROMs.
While it currently lacks hardware acceleration, which some say would provide better video playback (and gaming, not important to me), I have found the video on GtabComb more than acceptable.
I have only had a few problems with apps loading or installing, but no showstoppers. I don't even remember which apps were issues.
The camera does not work, but since Skype video is not available for any ROM, and other other video chatting solutions do not provide a usable experience for me, this is also not a showstopper.
Have fun!
I like mine.
Mine is great!
Played with a display model at office depot and immediately ordered one (store was out of stock). Been happy with it ever since. The stock software is really bad. I tried out several ROMS and eventually settled with gtabcomb3.2. Once you try Honeycomb, it's hard to go back. My 2cents worth.
schettj said:
I like mine, but dislike the display intensely.
It it what it is, a now somewhat dated (yes, 9 months is forever in the tech world) first generation tegra-2 android tablet with NO manufacturer support.
For $200 or so, it's a not a bad way to PLAY with android tablets, and if you like hacking/modding its a good platform for that.
If you could get a well-supported Honeycomb-based tablet with similar specs and a real display, for $100 more, you'd be nuts not to do so.
I'm running gtabcomb (Honeycomb) on mine. And I really do like it, and use it daily. I guess I didn't really expect to use it as much as I am, because if I did, I would have paid the extra $100 or so and gotten something with a better display.
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What options are available for $100 more that are better hardware wise ? I looked around quite a bit and saw nothing in the $350 area that rivaled the gtab ? thx
digitalcoup said:
I am currently in love with GtabComb.
I have used several ROMs since over the past 6 months. To me GtabComb feels like a much smoother experience, more responsive to touch scrolling on the home screen and within apps. Really, now that I have my hands on Honeycomb, I just can't go back to Froyo-based ROMs.
While it currently lacks hardware acceleration, which some say would provide better video playback (and gaming, not important to me), I have found the video on GtabComb more than acceptable.
I have only had a few problems with apps loading or installing, but no showstoppers. I don't even remember which apps were issues.
The camera does not work, but since Skype video is not available for any ROM, and other other video chatting solutions do not provide a usable experience for me, this is also not a showstopper.
Have fun!
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The latest version of skype ran perfectly on my froyo flytouch tab. To bad to hear the camera doesnt work with gtacomb.
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What options are available for $100 more that are better hardware wise ? I looked around quite a bit and saw nothing in the $350 area that rivaled the gtab ? thx
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i said IF... staples recently had a $100 off any tablet deal that put several of the mid-$400 tablets right in that pricepoint.
Edit: for example, http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...440-with-free-shipping-from-ebay-daily-deals/
Current deal on a new 32GB wifi xoom: $440. Shipped Free. That's within spitting distance of $100 more than the $280 I spent on my gtab. $160 more, might still be worth it. Likely most of these "late first gen/early 2nd gen" tablets with full Honeycomb support will be heading to the $300-$400 pricepoint in the next few months.
schettj said:
i said IF... staples recently had a $100 off any tablet deal that put several of the mid-$400 tablets right in that pricepoint.
Edit: for example, http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...440-with-free-shipping-from-ebay-daily-deals/
Current deal on a new 32GB wifi xoom: $440. Shipped Free. That's within spitting distance of $100 more than the $280 I spent on my gtab. $160 more, might still be worth it. Likely most of these "late first gen/early 2nd gen" tablets with full Honeycomb support will be heading to the $300-$400 pricepoint in the next few months.
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I got ya, i would love to see the xoom's and galaxy tabs come down below $400 but i dont see that happening right off. Not with the cell phone companies using them as leverage to get you to sign a two year contract.
Besides by the time the price comes down there will be something better available again, its a vicious cycle !
Gtab is suppose to be here today, cant wait to try it out !
I like my gtab so far but i have only had it a few days. I have tried several roms so far and i am currently running bottle of smoke and i have to say i like the HC experience better than froyo. Camera wasnt a big deal for me, I got flash and Netflix working so I'm a happy camper.
I have had mine a few days too now and i must say im pretty impressed. The screen sensitivity is great and multitouch works excellent. The image quality is great and ive experienced no lag from the dual core gpu.
Im running brilliant corners (froyo) and its very,very stable, not a single force close on any program. Everything works perfectly, netflix and the market worked right out of the box with bc. I had some issues with games initially, like asphalt hd but thats a vendor problem not the rom or gtab.
I do love my 2 gtabs! 1 is in VEGAn, 1 in GtabComb beta 3.3.
Got them from tigerdirect.com, for $269 a piece. What a steal, and just perfect for my kids! Then bought the Fuse cases, from electroniccrap.com, for $30 a piece. They fit nicely!
I like mine. Running gtabcomb 3.3. I think I still prefer the Asus transformer and probably should have shelled out the extra $100. It is nice having a USB port for flash drives though.
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yeah my gtab surpasses most tablets out now and it was around half of the price! but I would rather have the moto xoom but i am happy with my gtab
I've had my gtab for a little over a month and I'm pretty happy with it. I think like most others on this site that I appreciate the fact that you can play with it and try other ROMs and just tinker with it. It's not a Cadillac gets me where I want to go. Only complaint is in the video playing. Hopefully can get that resolved. I'm thinking of buying another one for my wife.
I am picking up a tablet for Christmas this year and I have been looking at quite a few. I was hoping that some people here would be able to help me in my decision.
I can only spend around 200-250 dollars, so I-Pad, Galaxy Tab, Xoom, Etc... are out of the question.
I have been reading up on the Amazon Fire for the past couple of months and was about convinced to get it mainly because of the price. However, it does have some limitations that I wasn't too excited about (No physical volume keys, no front facing camera, lack of customization, etc...)
Yesterday I decided to look at some reviews of the HP Touchpad on google and on Amazon and the reviews are mainly positive. It appears to have a lot of the features that I am looking for, and the fact that I will be able to load Android onto it as well is a plus.
What I really am looking for is everyone's opinion on if I should go ahead and get the touchpad even though it looks like WebOS might not be around too much longer. With what it has now, is it still a decent tablet that I can count on for daily use? I know at the beginning it had some freezing problems - have those been cleared up with updates for the most part?
Any advice would be appreciated, as I will probably be making the purchase within a few days.
PS. If anyone has any other suggestions on other affordable, quality tablets, I am open to those as well.
Thanks everyone!
Dbarker 2 said:
I am picking up a tablet for Christmas this year and I have been looking at quite a few. I was hoping that some people here would be able to help me in my decision.
I can only spend around 200-250 dollars, so I-Pad, Galaxy Tab, Xoom, Etc... are out of the question.
I have been reading up on the Amazon Fire for the past couple of months and was about convinced to get it mainly because of the price. However, it does have some limitations that I wasn't too excited about (No physical volume keys, no front facing camera, lack of customization, etc...)
Yesterday I decided to look at some reviews of the HP Touchpad on google and on Amazon and the reviews are mainly positive. It appears to have a lot of the features that I am looking for, and the fact that I will be able to load Android onto it as well is a plus.
What I really am looking for is everyone's opinion on if I should go ahead and get the touchpad even though it looks like WebOS might not be around too much longer. With what it has now, is it still a decent tablet that I can count on for daily use? I know at the beginning it had some freezing problems - have those been cleared up with updates for the most part?
Any advice would be appreciated, as I will probably be making the purchase within a few days.
PS. If anyone has any other suggestions on other affordable, quality tablets, I am open to those as well.
Thanks everyone!
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I would say the touchpad even at $250 is a better deal. The 10" screen is a much more pleasurable viewing experience for movies. The hardware is up to par with honeycomb tablets like the xoom but what really mkes this tablet special is the shear number of devs who have this tablet and will tirelessly work to keep it up to date in the future. It will probably continue to be updated long after the xoom has been EOL'd. It is somewhat ironic that a device declared dead by its manufacturer will haveso much interest and so much going on.
The Android version this tablet runs is CM7. It isn't like any other cm7 port (except the HD2) which had to have drivers written from scratch. Now that they have been written, porting new android versions will be a piece of cake.
I emphasize development a lot but if you really want to know what the future for this tablet will look like, cruise on over to the HTC HD2 forum and look how many ICS builds they have. That should give you an idea.
I highly recommend the touchpad, I love mine and wouldn't want any other tablet.
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With what it has now, is it still a decent tablet that I can count on for daily use?
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Absolutely.
webOS- It's definitely reliable, very polished- you will probably use it more than Android. I use it all the time when I'm at work.
Looking at pdfs, sending emails, filling out applications and talking to people at the same time.
The TouchPad is really the
· only true productivity tablet
· only productivity tablet in the the $250 range.
· most affordable Android tablet
If you're looking for something long term, you might want to consider another tablet, spend more, you'd be making an investment.
But if you're looking for something short term- a Now-Tablet.. definitely go with the TouchPad, it will last you for about just as long.
Thanks for the responses guys. That was just what I was looking for. I really am looking for a good mix of productivity and entertainment, and the Touchpad appears to have all of that.
It looks like I will most likely be ordering one off of Amazon in the next few days. Thanks again!
So the color has had hcfor a while and there is a functional ics rom out now. Would you trade your tablet for the color if you had the chance? To have a actual well partial bc or ice tablet.
Personally I probably wouldn't because I feel the tablet will only get better with time and the great devs we have working on it.
Why should somebody do that? NT is much better than a NC, it's been only 2 months since NT release. Custom roms doesn't appear magically they take time to be deloped and tested, Devs are close to achive a recovery boot and only then we can think in GB, HC and ICS.
NT doubles the NC in everything (exept price ) NT will be better so we only have to be patient and support developers.
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Not a chance. The NC has it's CyanogenMod and what not. But, the NT is just a better piece of technology. Of course, I hope that we break all the walls keeping us from modding the **** out of this thing; but, I could be perfectly happy with the root privileges that I have now.
I bought my NT to be a tablet, I read books, stuff for work (mostly pdf), watch movies, surf the web, send/receive email, and little else. I've always seen the tablet as a bridge between the smartphone and the laptop -- the NT does this with flying colors.
I'm a flash addict. Have been for about seven years now. I love pushing hardware and trying to make devices and software do things that they were never designed to do. But, I will (almost) never opt for a markedly worse piece of hardware for what I see as superfluous alterability.
I'll be watching dev threads and helping any way I can. But, much like the Detroit Lions fan in me, I'm pretty satisfied with how far things have come.
Yeah, no way. I gave away my old NC with CM7 to a family member and got the NT. I liked everything about the NC except the speed. It just felt slow and laggy on most things, even overclocked.
About ICS, I can wait. I have other tablets that will get it soon anyway.
I wouldn't trade it either. I'm doing pretty well with root and side loading apks. My galaxy nexus cdma is getting all of my attention right now anyways
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My interest in nooks began on the 27th of Dec with an NC my good friend had received for Christmas. We tried a few roms, but in the end we decided to take it back and he got a NT instead.
On the 1st we rooted the NT, learned a few more advanced techniques for side loading and such. He took it with him back to Cali, he loves it. His brother is asking me to do one for him and mail it.
Grand pa is buying a NT for "The Joe" treatment also. I thought about the KF, but I find the idea of non expandable storage more offensive than a locked bootloader. Maybe thats just me. NC isnt even on the menu.
Not me. I'm having too much fun with the Nook Tablet
I have to agree with everyone else and say, no, I wouldn't trade mine. It is a nice piece of hardware and as it is right now, it does anything I want it to do and then some.
The development will get there, I have no doubt about that. These guys/gals have done amazing things so far!
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Same here. my wife has a nook color already and she gave me NT for christmas. the NT is alot faster than the color especialy loading webpages and playing movies, plus it has the mike on which is ok i use speak to it assistant and it works just fine
I agree with everyone else. With the root from indirect and the ability to load other apps and change the launcher, I can be satisfied until we can load GB, HC or ICS. For me, the NT is an investment in better hardware that will serve me into the future as the software catches up.
I gather the holiday return policy doesn't end until 1/31, so anyone who would trade it certainly has the opportunity.
My NT works very, very well for play. It only works so-so for the work I have envisioned for it due to the lack of USB host. I'm stunned by how quickly the devs have figured out ways around and even through what was called an unbreakable security system (aren't they all called that ) at the very beginning. If there weren't so much hope on the horizon, I might well trade 'down' to get the extra productivity and settle for less entertainment power. But I'm glad it looks like I don't need to.
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So the color has had hcfor a while and there is a functional ics rom out now. Would you trade your tablet for the color if you had the chance? To have a actual well partial bc or ice tablet.
Personally I probably wouldn't because I feel the tablet will only get better with time and the great devs we have working on it.
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there is a HUGE difference between a decent port of ics and what you are referring to as a "functional ics rom" (the only one I can find is still an alpha build)
ics will never run on the NC the way it will (eventually) on the NT, the NC just doesn't have the hardware speed.
so no I wouldn't downgrade to the NC, that would be ludicrous!
the dev's are still in the initial breakthrough phase on the NT and granted don't have a fully polished ROM out for the general public yet, but it's coming!
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Not a chance. The NC has it's CyanogenMod and what not. But, the NT is just a better piece of technology. Of course, I hope that we break all the walls keeping us from modding the **** out of this thing; but, I could be perfectly happy with the root privileges that I have now.
I bought my NT to be a tablet, I read books, stuff for work (mostly pdf), watch movies, surf the web, send/receive email, and little else. I've always seen the tablet as a bridge between the smartphone and the laptop -- the NT does this with flying colors.
I'm a flash addict. Have been for about seven years now. I love pushing hardware and trying to make devices and software do things that they were never designed to do. But, I will (almost) never opt for a markedly worse piece of hardware for what I see as superfluous alterability.
I'll be watching dev threads and helping any way I can. But, much like the Detroit Lions fan in me, I'm pretty satisfied with how far things have come.
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I'm with you. For $50 more you get a better process, more ram, more memory, and a better overall device. Sure, right now it isnt as" moddable" as the NC, But I'm sure with time, it will be. Right now, have root access and being able tin install the android market and the amazon market have already made it basically an android tablet that can do anything its brethren can. I'm perfectly happy with it. when the bootloader is unlocked ans the 16gb of built in is accessible by non-BN content, I'll be happier, but I'm in no hurry. The 32 gig sd card is nowhere near being full.
Another no here. With a few minutes of work, I've got a tablet that's fully rooted and it's running faster and smoother than my color with CyanogenMod ever did.
A agree with everyone. My daughters tablet is alot faster than my color. Even the sound is better. I have volume + on hers and mine and the tablet for some reason sounds alot better than the color, even at the same settings. Almost makes me want to trade mine or sell it and get the tablet. Even with the way the tablet is rooted, there is no difference than my color running phiremod, So imagine what it will be like when the tablet can have custom roms!
Speaking of a trade in, my wife got my color from Walmart for me for Christmas......can I get it exchanged as mentioned above or is that only for barnes and nobel?
I wouldn't think of trading it in. Patience is a virtue, and spending $50 to get double the hardware specs I don't mind waiting for the rewards to come in.
Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc.
There are a huge number of devs and a wide variety of custom ROMS, themed ROMS, ported ROMS, Mods the list goes on and on.
As far as I'm aware of the problems (feel free to correct me) the source for half the hardware hasn't been released (such as the webcam) etc etc. so it kind of makes it very very difficult if not impossible to experiment with different ROMS.
Yes some out there can say to me "buy a tablet that was meant to run android next time" fair enough. But is it alot to expect the same level of development as usual android tablets?
webOS is very lovely but it doesn't cut it for me in terms of customisation (even with some of the childish looking themes on preware). CM9 has its issues still with regards to not everything working yet, but even when it's complete i still miss simple conveniences like VPN and connect WiFi using WPS automatically to name a few.
So can we expect that kind of development? or is it too much to ask.
I doubt we'll have Samsung level development, but that's true of any non-Samsung device. Have no idea why they're so popular, but usually the size of their dev communities put others to shame.
As you've pointed out, we don't have all our hardware working right now. Between that and the fact that CM9 itself (as a whole, not just the TP Version) is incomplete, its no wonder there's only two or three roms. Many people make their roms using another as a base, be it a stock firmware (of which the TP obviously does not have) or CM. Since CM9 is in a constant state of flux, there's no solid base for the TP yet.
As it is, we have the CM9 alpha, CM9 weeklies, AOPK, Unofficial Cornerstone kangs, MIUI, Classicnerd, Cherrykang... and that's just ICS based stuff. Add in Gingerbread roms and non-Android OSs like Ubuntu and you'll find we have a quite a good selection already.
my gripe with gingerbread ROMS is not as some people say "phone rom on a tablet" its just the fact that the apps recognize it as a phone and ruins the whole thing.
apart from MIUI, alot of the other ROMS look and feel pretty similar to me and there isn't much that sets them apart. granted cm9 is in its infancy (EVERYWHERE including my evo 3D, google definitely not redeeming itself over this update fiasco). I haven't really sampled Ubuntu to make a judgement on it.
I suppose if one was to put together something original a) it would be so hard people wouldn't bother attempting it cuz it's just too time consuming b) it'd be like making a lovely dish from leftovers....kernel's modified and compiled from things like htc jetstream (and rumor has it the GS2 on AT&T), ROMS put together from 7" android tablets most of which have the same resolution as the touchpad so it'll make life easier with respect to resizing.... again too much effort and time consuming to be worthwhile
I feel the TouchPad has great development. Especially when you consider a vast majority of the devices were sold before android was put on the device. When the fire sales happened the people that bought them didn't know android was going to be put on it. So anyone that wanted to play with android or build ROMs probably got an android tablet.
There will never be a full stock optimized android build. With the Samsung devices they have a solid start point, and a manufacturer that is devoted to the success of the device. HP has washed its hands of the TouchPad more or less. Everything done to get android on the TouchPad had been done by volunteers, without the resources really needed.
Samsung just generally makes things easiest for people to hack it. HTC and Asus ship their devices with locked bootloaders. Samsung doesn't, so they have one less hurdle right from the get go. The other side of that is Samsung makes great hardware, and decent software. This is easier to show in the phones. HTC makes good phones, but there is two or three extra hurdles that don't exist on Samsung phones. LG phones also don't have those hurdles, but their hardware isn't as good, and they are notoriously bad at getting android updates out.
Another thing to consider is the quality of android overall on a tablet. There is minimal tablet apps, and little motivation. Apple bet their company on the success of the iPad, Microsoft is doing the same with Windows 8. If either of them fail at their tablet product their entire company is in jeopardy. But Google wouldn't notice if android tablets fail, and flop. The entire thing to them is like a hobby. I think if android tablets were more popular in general we would see a lot more going on here. The fact that the TouchPad has sold more units than any other android tablet (combined I think) is really sad. Android just isn't taking hold in the tablet market, and won't without a lot of work by Google. But, what's their incentive? 98% of their revenue is from advertising. They still make money when an iPad pulls up an ad served by Google. They don't really have a lot of skin in the game, and it shows. I think the only reason Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc sell android tablets at all is because they don't really have a choice. They can't sell iOS tablets. The real test will be Windows 8 on ARM. If these companies can license W8 from Microsoft, its familiar to them. Its like building a Laptop or Ultrabook, they rely on Microsoft's ability to make compelling software, and enterprise friendly systems. That's really what HP was trying to do with the TouchPad. HP said the TouchPad wasn't their last tablet, but I would bet their next one runs W8. I think the tablet race us destined to be a two pony race, and that android isn't going to be the second pony much longer at the rate things are going. </rant>
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ace9988 said:
Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc. niggles (or problems; you decide) with cm9 has started to
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I get so tired of people complaining they don't get the same things from a $200 device as others get from their $600 ones. The reason the TPs are selling at the price they are is that the manufacturer stopped development. But, IMNSHO, the TP users are actually benefiting from that. If HP were still in charge, the TP would not have ICS, Ubuntu or Arch running.
this is my first tablet after all.....and when we're used to the development we see on our (assumed) android phones you can't help but compare, but like i said its only a discussion. and whats Arch?
Doesn't the fact that HP released the android kernel help development? How much does it help