So i tried to fkash something using odin about a week ago...and no matter what i tried, odin and the phone would connect, but the transfer would lock up. It wouldnt fail...it just would lock up.
After a while of futzing around, i tried a couple other cables until i came upon my stock Samsung cable, and Voilà. It worked.
How do we ensure that the cables we buy will work as the stock ones do? Does Samsung do something to alter their cables? Or are the cables i tried using altered by the manufacturer of the device they came with?
If you have some USB wisdom, please share it.
I'm no pro and don't know specifics, but from my experience and from what I've gathered from reading people talk about it, there are multiple types of USB cord types. The way it is wired apparently differs from cord to cord. Some Usb to Micro Usb will only allow you to charge, but not transfer data. My last phone was an HTC Touch Diamond, same deal. I used the stock one for a long time until a friend lent me a much longer and apparently high quality one. I don't know what the different types are called, or anything like that, you could probably google it though.
I can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there is some kind of intentional short between two of the leads on Samsung's Note USB cable. It's basically what tells the phone that it's ready to connect for data transfer. Not sure if it has to do with the new MTP mode or something else, but that is probably what caused your problem.
It's ironic that they universalized the micro-USB standard a few years ago specifically so there wouldn't be so much variation among chargers, but now there are multiple types of micro-usb cables and connectors that work with certain phones and not others. Oh well.. could be worse i guess
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it's ironic that they universalized the micro-usb standard a few years ago specifically so there wouldn't be so much variation among chargers, but now there are multiple types of micro-usb cables and connectors that work with certain phones and not others.
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exactly! +1000
I rooted my note the other night using a microUSB that was sent with a Mophie Juice Pack Air for an iPhone. I don't think there's anything special between that cable and the one Samsung sent.
From what I've gathered on the forums here, the Samsung cable is just a regular microUSB. The difference is in the charger, which has the USB port's data pins shorted. This tells the phone to fast-charge if the current supplied is of sufficient amount. If you shorted the data wires or pins in the cable itself, that cable couldn't transfer any data - it would only be good for charging.
Length and shielding amount can be a factor in data transfer. Any chance the cables that didn't work were of greater length or not certified for USB 2.0? I haven't had issues with any of my cables.
I'm starting to think that the Issue isn't with standard cables, nor with the Sammy supplied one, but rather with the other twobi used. Specifically, it was a kindle microusb and a logitech microusb and supplied by the respective device makers.
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I can't remember the exact details, but IIRC there is some kind of intentional short between two of the leads on Samsung's Note USB cable. \
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Any cable that does this should be thrown in the trash. This should be something that's on the charger not the cable.
Anyway, I've used 3-4 various microUSB cables with my Note, no problems, except that I've found that adb randomly isn't working, even though USB otherwise is. Reboot fixes it. I haven't looked into it much.
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Is the USB cable for the TP2 custom? It does not seem to match any of the other mini usb cables I have and none of the others will fit in my TP2. The cable is starting to come loose at the head (seeing silver fibers coming out). I may need another one soon, any idea where to get them for a decent price?
I use the mini-USB cable from either of my digital cameras or from my old Palm Tungsten E PDA. Works fine.
Yeah, the standard shaped mini usb's will fit. Even though they look different and dont have that strange angle like the stock one that comes with the phone.
I use this one from an 8125 at home and the stock one at work. Both work fine.
Some work, some don't
For some reason about 1/2 of my mini cables do NOT work with the TP2, but I have a couple that do. I'm not sure what the difference is. The TP2 is supposed to work with a standard mini usb cable.
you can find the OEM chargers (the wall plug with the USB cable) on ebay for about 7 dollars
i prefer to use the HTC-shaped plugs since i had some issues with regular mini-B cables being loose and damaging the data port on my Mogul
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For some reason about 1/2 of my mini cables do NOT work with the TP2, but I have a couple that do. I'm not sure what the difference is. The TP2 is supposed to work with a standard mini usb cable.
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difference is in little misshape of the mini usb side of the cable, because connectors on phones get easily corroded. little different on pressure on the cable side or micro small difference in shape could make it work or not.
usb-hub used and patented by htc have on female side a small plate with 5pins on one side and 6 on the other, if you plug htc-hub connector you can use all of them, if you plug STANDARD mini usb, it will only connect with 5pin side.
this have the same charecteristic as standard mini usb, it's 2 pins for 5v power, and 2pins for data-, data+. the last 5th one is not used. every usb mini to usb normal cable have to be compliant with standards, which means, there can't be any differences. the other side of usb-hub is for audio video only and doesn't have nothing to do with data connection.
usb cable doesn't need very special shielding, or twisting. no need to waste money on gold inside. any standard usb cable would do. e.g. $1 from ebay. just get two, three different ones and see which works best with your pda.
cool, I just found one on ebay for $2.50. There was plenty there. I tried some of my other muni usb and they didn't work for me.
The Rezound has a very interesting Micro-USB port that seems to have the outer shape similar to Mini-USB, but with the Micro-USB guts. The cable that comes with the phone has a rectangular plug that seems a bit longer and fits perfectly into the phone's jack. In fact, its amazing... to get the phone connected to it, you have to push the connector in until it 'clicks' into place - very solid.
My wife's DINC suffers from a slutted-out socket that now barely works anymore due to the standard Micro-USB design that seems pretty fragile. Even though a standard Micro-USB fits into the Rezound's unique socket, it doesn't have the solid feel that the OEM version has.
Does anyone know what this newer style connector is called? I would like to find a couple more cables that are longer and feel that by using this type of connector, the Rezound's port should last the life of the phone.
Thanks in advance!!!
-M
It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
Thanks dude...
A normal microUSB cable will still get the job done. It's just put in the reverse as it is on the Incredible. The tabs need to be facing up. I got 3 OEM HTC microUSB cables off ebay for like $7 bucks shipped. And the odd shaped end is probably some proprietary HTC connector, same as they had with the HeroCDMA with the miniUSB.
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It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
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No, it's a micro-A USB receptacle that supports MHL. There's a difference.
I would rather have the MHL cable... Feels more secure when plugged in..
Has anyone been able to find one on the internet or in store?
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yeah the security of the MHL cable is worth not using a standard micro USB. for instance when you're using a car charger w/ a standard micro USB, the cable can tug a bit on the connector(depending on length of cable, placement of phone) and cause it to come loose & stop charging... but with the micro A USB(MHL) it's nice & secure and you don't have to worry about that happening.
Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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I did say that any other micro USB cable would work on the phone. I have a charger from every blackberry I ever owned, the Inc charger, and a couple miscellaneous cables lying around. It's just that the one that comes with the Rezound now has to go in its own special pile of cables (all by itself) because I can't use it with any other devices. Did not try with the old phone, though. Interesting that you say HTC's physical mods to the micro USB port are the same on the Inc and Rezound, yet the Rezound ships with a proprietary cable and my Inc came with a standard micro USB plug. I'll check when I get home.
it does seem at least that yes, any microUSB cable will work with the Rezound for both charging it and connecting it to your PC.
for the most part, you really only need the MHL support if you plan on going through HDMI out, which you'd then need an MHL/HDMI adapter cable anyway.
the only benefit to the cable that comes with the Rezound is the "snug fit" bit. whereas, it'd be nice if they had a car charger with the exact same micro A USB end to it as i find that all standard micro USB car chargers aren't as snug and depending on phone placement/movement, the connection can get a bit 'loose' and sometime stop charging.
i used to use this motorola car charger but because of how the cable pulled, the connection would constantly come loose unless i used tape to hold it in place.
It's not an MHL port. It's HTC's proprietary ExtMicro-USB port first seen with the HTC Flyer. An MHL port is a standard 5pin Micro-USB A/B port that detects when an MHL adapter is used, and uses those same 5 pins to support HDMI output. If you look at MHL ports on phones like the Evo 4G and Galaxy S II, they are indistinguishable physically from standard Micro-USB B ports. HTC's ExtMicro-USB is compatible with 5pin Micro-USB cables and 5pin MHL adapters. In fact, if you look at the HTC MHL adapter, it's shaped like a standard Micro-USB plug and only has 5 pins. What's different about ExtMicro-USB is that it has some extra pins compared to standard Micro-USB and MHL. I believe it has 6 extra pins, for a total of 11 pins. Those 6 extra pins are not used for MHL, for the reasons stated above. I'm not certain what those pins are used for, but if it's the same as the older ExtUSB (which is compatible with Mini-USB), then those extra pins are used for analog audio output, for use with stereo headsets, etc.
Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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The cable IS for the phone. You can use it to charge and sync. But the PORT can also be used to hookup an MHL adapter for HDMI output. That is IN ADDITION to charging or syncing via USB. The cable that comes with the phone just has a different connector yet is backwards compatable with any regular micro-USB cable.
I'm not sure why this is so confusing to people.
That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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Yea I have been trying to find this too. I was sent the Rezound as a CLNR for my Charge so I didn't even get the original USB cable that comes with the phone when you buy it. Sure the micro-usb cables work, but they feel pretty loose compared to other phones that are designed for micro-usb specifically.
ok guys this is NOT an MHL cable. as said before there is nothing special at all about it besides that it is a snugger fit. any micro usb will work with MHL and you still need the converter.
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Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
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It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
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It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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I know what you mean. I put the part number in and the one that came with the Inc kept coming up. This one looks like it has the same shape as the one that comes with the Rezound.
Hi All,
I ended up purchasing the Rezond based on the previous feedback, but I'm still in the test-drive phase. I'm really enjoying the phone so far and so far I'm thinking "keep". The included headphones are really great also compared to my previous headphones! I'll be waiting at least another week before I decide to keep the phone and decide to put a better ROM on the phone.
Anyway, what's the deal with the charge cable? Standard Micro-USB fits fine, but what's up with the funky cable that came with the device? Will this cause any problems using a longer standard cable or will it cause the phone to charge slower? Does this cable need to be used for proper connection to a PC?
Custom cables always make me leery.
Sorry if this has been asked, searching for custom usb, charge cable, custom cable did not return an results.
Its actually not a custom cable. It is a MHL adapter. Lots of talk about it in the Accessories forum.
Basically one port for charging and HDMI out instead of two separate ports.
You can charge fine with a regular micro usb cable, I don't think it's slower but I've never timed it.
If you want to get more like the ones that came with the phone you can get the HTC Flyer cables in white here:
http://www.expansys-usa.com/htc-flyer-data-cable-dc-t500-extmicro-usb-12pin-white-209995/
I bought two of them since I like the secure feeling of the snap in.
I've never tried using a regular micro usb for data and don't have one within arm's reach and I'm really super comfy right now so I'm not going to get up but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
In the accessories forum try searching "mhl cable" and I think you'll come up with two threads about it if you want further info.
I am using a blackberry (micro USB) cable at work, and the OEM cable at home, I see no different in charge time or PC connectivity between the 2 cable.
I also use a blackberry AC adapter to charge the rezound when I am in a pinch.
HTH.
Thanks.
I figured any standard micro-usb cable will work. A MHL cable makes sense though, I've just never actually seen one and I'm not familiar with the form factor.
I'll be looking into this, thank you again.
"MHL" A Lot More Solid
The MHL cable feels a lot more solid than a micro USB. I have a couple micro usb that have gotten loose, and now just fall out of the phone if turned over, or if I hit a bump in the car. Thanks for finding a source to buy more of the MHL cables.
Also here slightly less expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Flyer-Data-Sync-Cable/dp/B004VF616C/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics
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Also here slightly less expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Flyer-Data-Sync-Cable/dp/B004VF616C/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics
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How long are those cables? Doesn't say on the page; unless I'm blind.
There is no such thing as an "MHL cable".
The format of the port and cable that come with the Rezound is called "EXTMicro USB".
"MHL" refers to a standard for connecting small electronics to HDTVs. It works with a regular Micro USB cable. Last time I checked (a couple of weeks ago) there are no MHL adapters that utilize EXTMicro USB connectors. Most of the ones that I've found use a regular Micro USB connector.
At this time, it's unclear exactly what the extra 7 pins in the connector in this phone are for. Other HTC phones have used them for analog audio and video output, but this doesn't appear to be supported by the rezound.
If you look at your rezound, you will see it only has the 5 pins. It does utilize the ExtMicro USB plug end/shape. If it truly had the ExtMico USB then while using the mhl adapter it could charge your phone via A/C while streaming. But it can't because the data pins are being used/ there are only 5 pins.
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That's an excellent point about charging while using an MHL adapter. One could still force fast charging through software, such as what's available in Incredikernel/control, though.
On my rezound, I most definitely have contacts in the extra spots. The cable my phone came with, however, doesn't have any pins for them to contact.
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That's an excellent point about charging while using an MHL adapter. One could still force fast charging through software, such as what's available in Incredikernel/control, though.
On my rezound, I most definitely have contacts in the extra spots. The cable my phone came with, however, doesn't have any pins for them to contact.
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You are right the phone has it, the does not cable. That is my mistake. I knew one of them didn't just was too lazy to check.
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After a good long while my X2's microSD port stopped working. So now I can't charge it, or connect it to my computer. I took it to a Verizon Wireless store and they confirmed that the port looks fine, but doesn't work. They had me a replacement shipped. I have the one they just sent me working fine, but I have to return my old one. The old one with the messed up port has Eclipse v2.3 on it, and I don't know how to get it back to a stock ROM without being able to connect it to my computer. It says in the shipping paperwork that they can charge me the full retail price for several reasons, including "software alterations." I can get to the stock bootloader of course, but bootstrap requires me to be plugged in to the AC charger. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
When you say doesn't work... do you mean absolutely zilch or will it charge?
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When you say doesn't work... do you mean absolutely zilch or will it charge?
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I mean absolutely zilch!
Have you tried wiggling the USB plug on your cable when it's connected? Sometimes, it might be really loose. I'm assuming you and Verizon tried, especially if you took it to Verizon and they confirmed it wasn't working.
I'm also assuming you've tried different cables just in case? I do know that if you don't use a cable that was made specifically for the X2, it might not have enough power to charge. I have noticed that with my RAZR (and my X2 before that), using USB cables and chargers that were NOT specific to the RAZR/X2 worked fine for a while and then they wouldn't work or worked sporadically. I would have to wiggle the cable to make it "register" but one slight movement would then cause the phone to say it was disconnected from the charger.
But, if I used the car charger or charging cable that came with my RAZR/X2, it worked fine.
I know some people have also tried bending in the outside part of the USB port more towards the inside so that it results in a tighter fit for the USB connector on your cable and that has worked. But, you definitely want to be careful if you're returning it.
Otherwise, it's probably something on the actual circuit board inside where the port has broken away from the logic board and is no longer registering to the phone when something is connected. At that point, I think you're done.
Thanks for the Ideas
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Have you tried wiggling the USB plug on your cable when it's connected? Sometimes, it might be really loose. I'm assuming you and Verizon tried, especially if you took it to Verizon and they confirmed it wasn't working.
I'm also assuming you've tried different cables just in case? I do know that if you don't use a cable that was made specifically for the X2, it might not have enough power to charge. I have noticed that with my RAZR (and my X2 before that), using USB cables and chargers that were NOT specific to the RAZR/X2 worked fine for a while and then they wouldn't work or worked sporadically. I would have to wiggle the cable to make it "register" but one slight movement would then cause the phone to say it was disconnected from the charger.
But, if I used the car charger or charging cable that came with my RAZR/X2, it worked fine.
I know some people have also tried bending in the outside part of the USB port more towards the inside so that it results in a tighter fit for the USB connector on your cable and that has worked. But, you definitely want to be careful if you're returning it.
Otherwise, it's probably something on the actual circuit board inside where the port has broken away from the logic board and is no longer registering to the phone when something is connected. At that point, I think you're done.
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Thanks for the ideas, but I already tried all of those with no luck. There was about two days where I could still charge it with some manipulation of the connection, but no more.
What about a different battery, tried a ifferent one?? If the battery is shot, that can create a headache in its own world.
Battery's Good
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What about a different battery, tried a ifferent one?? If the battery is shot, that can create a headache in its own world.
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Nope, the battery is fine. It's working well in replacement phone.
I didn't see a thread about this yet so I thought I'd make one for us to relay our experiences with different micro USB 3.0 B cables, our Galaxy Note 3 phones, and the various cases we may have tried them with.
First off, the stock Samsung cable is the smallest and lowest-profile microUSB 3.0 B cable I've seen yet, which is important because the bulkier ones are just more prominent protrusions begging to get bents or broken, damaging the connected device with it. The problem is that all the Note 3 cases act like it's a proprietary cable and they only need to design around it instead of aiming to fit a wide variety of standard cables. So far mine has not received any excessive force from any cable, but it's a concern I always have with many USB devices (USB drive in a notebook, for example). I have found that even with the stock cable the port in the phone itself frequently needs to be blown out. At least three times I have found my phone plugged in and not charging with a connection being very hard to achieve and maintain (momentarily connects when tweaked) until I blow in the port (then it's rock-solid for another week+). My port has never been forced or damaged and it does it with every cable I try until I blow, so I know that we are dealing with contamination or oxidation. The first time was before it had ever had any other cable used with it.
Next up: the Amazon Basics Premium cable.
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...8&qid=1386737410&sr=8-4&keywords=USB3.0+Micro
My first one was DOA and didn't work at all unless you held it at a strange angle. The replacement worked as reliably as the original but it is too thick and bulky. I often have trouble finding a place and orientation to lay my phone when using it that doesn't put too much stress on the cable/connectors. It is NOT the kind of cable you want to carry around in your pocket or use in the car. I don't even like using it with my laptop so it's going to be my desktop charge and transfer cable exclusively. Even the connectors are bulky. Luckily, the rubber-like material around the port in my Slim Armor case flexes enough that it fits fine. Same for the Unicorn Beetle Sup Case. I still need to try my Bear Motion/Poetic bumper case and the slim Caseology case.
Even when not using USB3's faster transfer and charging features, I still prefer using it over a microUSB 2.0 B cable because it seems safer to spread the load over a bigger connector if it gets accidentally tweaked. I've repaired enough traditional microUSB 2.0 B connectors on phone PCBs and I do not want to risk damaging an MHL 3.0 version! It seems to me that a right-angle connector would be safer as it would not protrude away from the device and the cable has the chance to run along the device's exterior structure until it is far enough away to absorb and relieve most tension that would move it independently from the device. For this reason I intend to get a right-angle mUSB3 cablemy notebook that I often use in bed. So far the only one I have found is here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141133546501?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I missed the auction but I'm prowling for another and I will report my experience here.
I also wonder if this cable can charge faster from a typical dual-port car charger:
http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-dual...&qid=1386737410&sr=8-13&keywords=USB3.0+Micro
I've also ordered a couple TYLT Vu wireless charging stands and the official Samsung wireless charging back to minimize my use of the port, so it looks like I'm switching to the bumper case (only one that fits the official cover). I should get a dust cover/plug for the port so that I won't have to blow it out when I do finally use it.
Another strange issue I had even with the stock cable was that it would disconnect and reconnect in USB 2.0 mode almost as soon as I enabled USB 3.0 mode and started transferring. Possibly important circumstances: I was trying to rip some 1080p video samples to check out on my first 1080p phone so I started ripping a couple BD movies to my Alienware M11x r3 (AnyDVD + Handbrake). 1080p files are large, so I figured it was as good a time as any to try to get slightly faster transfer speeds with USB3. This notebook has no optical drive so I made the rips using an external USB-powered BD drive plugged into the other USB3.0 port. It was a slimline EIDE drive in a USB2.0 enclosure, so there was a mix of USB2.0 and 3.0 devices connected to the two USB3.0 ports. When the first rip finished I started the second rip and then enabled USB3.0 on the phone to start transferring the first rip. After the problem repeated itself I tried changing cables and the problem remained. It worked fine when I tried again with only the phone connected. If that's expected behavior with a mix of 2.0 and 3.0 devices then I would have expected it to happen immediately instead of waiting until after I started a file transfer. Edit: It happened again this morning but I now know it happens even in USB2.0 mode. The BD drive was ripping while connected to the PC's native USB2.0 port and the phone was connected to one of the two USB 3.0 ports. It disconnected as soon as I started the transfer in USB3.0 mode so I restarted in 2.0 mode and it did the same thing. I had to wait for the encode to finish, so it looks like it has something to do with the MTP connection not being stable while the CPU is busy. Stupid.
I finally tried the Amazon Basics Premium micro USB 3.0 cable with the Bear Motion / Poetic bumper case and it can be made to fit. Unlike the others, you can't just push it in and expect the materials to flex enough to allow it. You have to work it in or else the material gets between the plug and the phone and prevents full insertion. I don't think it matters but I am using the official Samsung wireless charge cover battery door, which is why I switched back to the bumper case.