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OK so question is, is having a rooted Tbolt and the hotspot rooted .apk really free? I chewed up almost ten gigs last month, but mostly through the phone. Not sure how much was actually tethering. Couldnt have been much. Got netflix running through ps3 via the root hotspot .apk today and destroyed over 800megs in an hours time. I wanted to know, had we have the ability to watch Netflix on our tbolts, would the same show I watched eat up the same amount of data? What are some of your guys data usage over the past month using root hotspot? And any billing issues? Thanks for any input because I don't wanna crush almost another gig til I get some feedback
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I'm just a noob guy.
New here and wanting to make some friends.
These guys fricking rock here.
I see no reply so I just thought I would say hi.
The topic of free hot spot and tether is kind not cool right now.
peace.
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Just came from the x, every one is freaking out about this topic right now.
I didn't even know about that offer.
Leave it to a noob.
Free hotspot and tethering is extended for another month.
Assuming when you're streaming netflix to a PC or your PS3 you're getting HD it would be less when using your phone. I would imagine anyway. The Thunderbolt's screen is 800x480. 720p is 1280x720. SD widescreen would be 854x480 (for 19:9) So, netflix on your phone would only need to be SD. Obviously, that's less data than HD. And if anything, VZW would probably say they suspect you're tethering without paying and tell you to sign up. I doubt they would just add to your bill because they can't say you're not just a heavy data user.
And legitimate WiFi tether is free for another month thanks to the Charge, VZW's second LTE device.
I would assume when using the actuall netflix app on the phone it is designed for a smaller screen so the video feed is less data intensive to save data.
dopediculous said:
OK so question is, is having a rooted Tbolt and the hotspot rooted .apk really free?
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The answer is no. Rooting the phone does not change the way the *built-in* hotspot app works. It's Verizon's app and they can see that you're using it. It's free for now because VZW has extended the free trial period, but after that ends you will be charged for using the mobile hotspot app.
However, since your phone is rooted, you can use a *different* wifi tethering app that they can't track.
Jacquestrapp said:
The answer is no. Rooting the phone does not change the way the *built-in* hotspot app works. It's Verizon's app and they can see that you're using it. It's free for now because VZW has extended the free trial period, but after that ends you will be charged for using the mobile hotspot app.
However, since your phone is rooted, you can use a *different* wifi tethering app that they can't track.
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That's the one I'm currently using. The "rooted" wifi app. So, fingures crossed!
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i dont know i used a tether app for rooted and an hour later i got a text saying the trial end 6/15... What tether app cant they track?
albotz21 said:
i dont know i used a tether app for rooted and an hour later i got a text saying the trial end 6/15... What tether app cant they track?
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Yeah, the text was sent out to almost all TB users today. It has nothing to do with the fact that you used the app.
g00s3y said:
Yeah, the text was sent out to almost all TB users today. It has nothing to do with the fact that you used the app.
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Does that mean other tether apps for rooted phones wont be free, or do they work around the charges?
albotz21 said:
Does that mean other tether apps for rooted phones wont be free, or do they work around the charges?
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They will still use the workaround. But no one knows yet if VZW will still be able to track.
just download barnacle wifi tether from the market. its totally free and verizon cant track it
dak_181 said:
just download barnacle wifi tether from the market. its totally free and verizon cant track it
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It's also not in the market anymore. Or it was taken out at one point.
the promotion expires, but what happens to us who are rooted using wireless tether or barnacle? ive read they were going to add something to prevent/be able to see that. or was that just bologna?
shawnn218 said:
the promotion expires, but what happens to us who are rooted using wireless tether or barnacle? ive read they were going to add something to prevent/be able to see that. or was that just bologna?
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I am wondering the same thing too.
I mean the app uses data like any other app, I'm fairly certain you'll be able to steal the service. We will know all too soon though. Ha
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i guess we're about to find out. lol.
i they found a way to distinguish the difference between the computer using the Internet vs the phone, we're pretty much ****ed. if it's only an app update to block the apps, then you should be find if you are rooted. like i said, we're going to find out in couple of days.
On the d2 and dx they updated the kernel to block tethering. You can bet any future update for any device on verizon will do the same thing.
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orkillakilla said:
On the d2 and dx they updated the kernel to block tethering. You can bet any future update for any device on verizon will do the same thing.
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hmm, interesting. did somebody find a way around it?
sg1dan said:
hmm, interesting. did somebody find a way around it?
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I'm not sure. I got the thunderbolt soon after that happened.
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Unless they push an update, or roll out some network side packet inspection, there's nothing they can do to stop barnacle from working. The end of the promotion is really just a problem for people using the built in Mobile Hotspot program. You'll get a popup the next time you launch it asking if you want to enroll in the tethering plan for $20/month.
Otherwise, continue tethering away via barnacle. Legally verizon cant auto-enroll you into anything, so even if they could detect it, they'd have to get your consent to change the terms of your contract, or just cancel your contract for you.
Wireless Tether still works. I didn't personally like how Barnacle functioned.
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if it's in the kernel that blocks the tethering won't a custom kernel fix that issue?
i am surprised that they somehow figured a way to distinguish between phone data and computer data via tethering...
i don't believe it.
When I was on TMO, I remember people asking the same questions about tethering.
From what I could gather, TMO was able to distinguish data by the agent being used for web browsing. Not exactly sure what or how they did it, but I remember some people saying they got a text from TMO about their data usage.
It's been a while, so I could be wrong, so don't quote me on this.
the browser user-agent won't work because you can still set the user-agent on an android phone to look like chrome or firefox, or another desktop browser...
I'm not sure what verizion did to the DX or D2 but they have the mobile hotspot app built into the settings or notification bar or something so you couldn't even remove it or freeze it.
The TBH patch, which patched the radio, helped to get around this problem. it made it so that even when you're tethering verizon sees [email protected] instead of [email protected] (which is what is used when you switch on the tethering app originally)
PhillyCheez said:
if it's in the kernel that blocks the tethering won't a custom kernel fix that issue?
i am surprised that they somehow figured a way to distinguish between phone data and computer data via tethering...
i don't believe it.
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That's true I didn't think about that. The d2 and dx bootloaders are locked down by efuse so loading a custom kernel in those phones is out of the question.
So yes a custom kernel would fix that
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So no on else read the android police article about how even with wireless tether there is no way for Verizon to tell if you're tethering without major packet snooping.. the kind which would be invasion of privacy. And I'm pretty sure p3droid was spewing **** about the "omg warning Verizon sees you tethering"
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yurdle said:
the browser user-agent won't work because you can still set the user-agent on an android phone to look like chrome or firefox, or another desktop browser...
I'm not sure what verizion did to the DX or D2 but they have the mobile hotspot app built into the settings or notification bar or something so you couldn't even remove it or freeze it.
The TBH patch, which patched the radio, helped to get around this problem. it made it so that even when you're tethering verizon sees [email protected] instead of [email protected] (which is what is used when you switch on the tethering app originally)
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That was what people were complaining about. Some had their user agent set on their phone to something other than Android and I guess they got a text message saying they were tethering or something to that affect.
Can I still use pdanet?
Dnakaman said:
That was what people were complaining about. Some had their user agent set on their phone to something other than Android and I guess they got a text message saying they were tethering or something to that affect.
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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It was talked about several months back when the G2 came out and people were using the 4G.
Nothing was ever confirmed, it was just what people were saying. It could have been that their usage just showed unusually high?
Dnakaman said:
It was talked about several months back when the G2 came out and people were using the 4G.
Nothing was ever confirmed, it was just what people were saying. It could have been that their usage just showed unusually high?
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I'm going to go with that and it was just assumed they were tethering and if the data is high enough its not too hard to guess lol but afaik the only way to see tethering on android is through packet snooping
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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The iPhone browser doesn't let you change the user agent string, while many Android browsers (Opera, Dolphin HD, and even Firefox with the phony addon) do.
i heard from someone that att has a android market download cap when on wifi? this is true? i get only like 250 kbs when on wifi. is there a fix for this if im rooted?
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i heard from someone that att has a android market download cap when on wifi? this is true? i get only like 250 kbs when on wifi. is there a fix for this if im rooted?
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No cap that I can tell.............I get decent d/l speeds. Why would they cap WiFi at a lower speed than the network provides on 3G?
Ive had no such problems. Dloaded many apps with succes and fast
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Idk I asked earlier about my wifi on a brand new atrix being really slow. At first downloads thru the internet and market on wifi was going 250kbs But now downloads thru a browsers is fast but not the market. Someone on here said att caps the market downloads at 250 I guess my wifi on this new phone is messed up but downloads thru a browser works great now.
I dunno, this is interesting..
It may be my imagination, but I swear since getting this phone market downloads are slow. At least compared to past Android phones.
Probably my imagination, I'm too lazy to do a side by side test. :0
NOPE! This is NOT your imagination!
I had the Atrix back in February for about a month. I tried 4 Atrix units in a row, and they ALL had this issue.
Is there seriously no fix for this yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974999
There's the thread I made back in March, before I gave up and returned the phone completely (had to eat a $35 restocking fee btw).
Isn't the 2.3.4 OTA update supposed to go live today? Did that happen yet? I wonder if that would fix the problem?
Never experienced this problem with my Atrix. I get 25Mbps at home, and I get 2MB/s downloads on the Market. That's since start of March.
Pay your internet bills people!
Pay your internet bills??? What are you talking about?
It was an issue I had with 4 Atrix units in a row. Every one of them had throttled speeds on the Market. It was definitely the phone, since my Captivate on the same wifi connection had no such issues.
And the weird thing is, it was ONLY a market problem; all speed tests showed that I was getting around 25 mbps. But downloading apps from the market? NOPE
MultiKoopa said:
Pay your internet bills??? What are you talking about?
It was an issue I had with 4 Atrix units in a row. Every one of them had throttled speeds on the Market. It was definitely the phone, since my Captivate on the same wifi connection had no such issues.
And the weird thing is, it was ONLY a market problem; all speed tests showed that I was getting around 25 mbps. But downloading apps from the market? NOPE
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15929764&postcount=34
I never got capped speed on wifi. I have a oc1 line coming into house and I get 5 to 10 m down on market. Downloaded a bunch of games to test this. No cap for me I am on the 2.3.4 kennethpenns build.
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So what can I do if I have this problem? What can I even attempt? Just keep exchanging until I find an Atrix without the problem?
this is a known issue that was discussed here when the atrix was first release. this problem was fixed after flashing gingerbread.
Is the official 2.3.4 update out for the phone? If it is, does that fix the problem?
MultiKoopa said:
Is the official 2.3.4 update out for the phone?
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Why don't you spend just one minute reading the forums!!!
i had the issue to, but gingerbread fixed everything. on froyo i was getting max 250kb/sec on my 18mb line. the ONLY downloads affected where market downloads... anything through the browser/etc would be fine.
CaelanT said:
Why don't you spend just one minute reading the forums!!!
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+1
Wtf?!
joeryu said:
i had the issue to, but gingerbread fixed everything. on froyo i was getting max 250kb/sec on my 18mb line. the ONLY downloads affected where market downloads... anything through the browser/etc would be fine.
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Oh wow. I might try the Atrix out again, then. Thanks.
How can i easily fix the gps on this thing. It will either never find my location and therefore wont navigate, or it is off by a couple of streets rendering it useless. I dont want to do any technical stuff like roms or what not
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239090
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239090
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OUTDATED.............................................................................
Can you describe with more details?
What ROM, kernel? Stock or custom?
Do you have internet Connection? Wi-Fi?
When it occurs? Did you ever have this problem before?
A-L31 said:
Can you describe with more details?
What ROM, kernel? Stock or custom?
Do you have internet Connection? Wi-Fi?
When it occurs? Did you ever have this problem before?
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all i have is root and it was the same story before root.
i have internet, wifi works, i dont see why that would affect gps though
99% of the time gps cannot locate a signal and when it does it hops around
i have always had trouble with gps since i got this pile of junk. in the beginning it was better though
fupamobile said:
all i have is root and it was the same story before root.
i have internet, wifi works, i dont see why that would affect gps though
99% of the time gps cannot locate a signal and when it does it hops around
i have always had trouble with gps since i got this pile of junk. in the beginning it was better though
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I have the same issues too, gps is junk right now, used to work, slow but work but now it just keeps trying to locate a signal and nothing happens. My droid incredible pulls in 9-11 sats in 10-15 seconds while in the same spots.
Really, that link I posted covers Froyo and Gingerbread, so it is not outdated. Also upgrading to ICS will fix your GPS.
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Really, that link I posted covers Froyo and Gingerbread, so it is not outdated. Also upgrading to ICS will fix your GPS.
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ya but the instructions dont work. cant get into that gps settings with the dialer function and it sounds like it was written for a different phone. i dont know what ics is
Try this one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790983
Not quite sure if this is the right area to post, but I can't seem to get any torrents to download on my phone through the network, and I was wondering if there was a trick to being able to do so?
I'm on a developer model, with root and Trickdroid rom installed, and I am in an area that gets LTE. What(if anything) can be done to enable torrenting on my phone?
Did you make sure it's not set to "WiFi only"?
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Did you make sure it's not set to "WiFi only"?
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Yes I did. That seems to give me an upload speed of a few bits/second, but no download speed.
[Edit] I found my own solution: Apparently utorrent just doesn't seem to work on this phone. By switching over to ttorent I was able to download on the network. Also: LTE is DAMN FAST!
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Yes I did. That seems to give me an upload speed of a few bits/second, but no download speed.
[Edit] I found my own solution: Apparently utorrent just doesn't seem to work on this phone. By switching over to ttorent I was able to download on the network. Also: LTE is DAMN FAST!
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Ttorent is the best torrent app!
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