Well I have been using My data manager it has been very accurate, but this one produce so many wakelocks that drain a bit faster the battery.. So which other you will recommend. ??
That is almost as accurate, and the most important thing is that keep record for various sims.. I switch sims (3) very often.. My data manager, always detect which sim is used, and never loose the previous use.
Have you tried Onavo?
I literally JUST installed Onavo before seeing this thread. Gonna try it out to make sure I don't go over my 3 GB LIMIT ON MY UNLIMITED DATA PLAN
I wouldn't use the 3G watchdog or whatever. That was way off for me. I had used about twice what it said. :/ I even tried the option it had for a different way of counting and it got worse. I don't use anything now, I just periodically check that usd code thing.
SHOStock + ICS theme + ICS themed gb keyboard = the flashaholic cure!
I've run 3G watchdog for a while - doesn't seem to be a significant battery hit, but as previously posted, not as accurate as the other options.
More recently ran MDM for a while - very accurate, but mild additional battery drain, though it didn't seem to show up heavily in BBS.
Running Onavo for a second time now, seems to also be a mild battery drain, thinking I'm probably not gonna keep it.
For non-continuous but quite accurate data, I also have my ATT account set up in PageOnce. It does roughly 24 hour updates (I think, haven't paid too much attention). It can also be manually updated. Has a very nice interface to see a bunch of info regarding my account (so I can keep an eye on how many texts my mother-in-law uses on her pay-per-use text plan ) With this, I can get a pretty close rough idea where I am data use wise at a glance, and update manually if I need to know exactly. Will also throw alerts when getting close to maxing out airtime minutes and data usage. I haven't seen any negative battery impact from this app, and is my fallback when I get sick of the other options...
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Have you tried Onavo?
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The problem I have with Onavo is that if you install it on say the 15th, there is no way to tell it how much data you have ALREADY used that month.
Same thing if you flash a new ROM. It starts from zero (as far as I can tell) when you install it. No way to tell it "I have already used xxxMB" etc.
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The problem I have with Onavo is that if you install it on say the 15th, there is no way to tell it how much data you have ALREADY used that month.
Same thing if you flash a new ROM. It starts from zero (as far as I can tell) when you install it. No way to tell it "I have already used xxxMB" etc.
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yeah, you can. In Onavo, menu>settings>set data plan>set previously used data.
Thanks.. I installed Onavo and this one doesn´t detect which sim is used !! If in sim 1, have used 300mb and then install sim 2, the data used in sim 2 is added to the overall usage !!
Tha same happen with data counter widget. 3G watchdog as everyone say is not accurate enough..
Guess will not be able to leave My data manager.
Are all 3 Sims at&t? If so why not use the AT&T Communication Manager Widget?
It will show data used & remaining for whatever sim card is inserted.
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Are all 3 Sims at&t? If so why not use the AT&T Communication Manager Widget?
It will show data used & remaining for whatever sim card is inserted.
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Noup 1 is from at&t and the others are from different carriers..
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I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in the Thunderbolt forums but I did a search and could only find posts in other phone specific forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940190
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943171
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937925&highlight=throttle
I have LTE turned on in my area and when I use my wireless tether for root users I get awesome speeds between 2-3MBps but after about 150-200MB downloaded those speeds immediately drop off to just 10-20k or so. Now I rarely go over the 5GB soft cap and even when I do it's only by a few hundred MBs. Is there some sort of throttling going on and any way to stop it?
It has been discussed actually (and with that application), but anyways, at least you tried
Assuming your speeds are bad due to one application isnt exactly a very good test (more so since you did not say what version of the application you are running since that could matter). If you want to be certain, try internet connection mode via usb and download a test file from a location around you, such as from one of these data centers http://www.linode.com/speedtest/ and watch the speed. Doing that, you can eliminate plenty of variables, like the wifi connection on either end acting up for whatever reason and the application.
If it stays constant, then it's the app. If it doesn't, well that's not a 100% indication either. LTE is unstable speeds will fluctuate. If you're only testing from one location, that's not a very good conclusion either.
Whenever you have a problem, try to go through the total process of elimination only focusing on one variable at a time and try to keep everything else the same. Most likely it's you or the current setup on your phone or the application, not verizon. How do I know this? Because many have downloaded way more than you have and haven't been throttled (just from people I know locally with an LTE enabled phone).
Exusting all possible outcomes is a much better conclusion than wildly guessing you are being throttled though.
Another way you can test directly on your phone:
1) open up the terminal
2) type the 3 lines below: (downloads a file, gets the time it took and then removes it after)
cd /mnt/sdcard
time wget http://207.192.68.6/100MB-newark.bin
rm 100MB-newark.bin
*if the above doesn't work, then you need busybox, but nearly every rom/kernel has it that's not stock, so you should by default, have it. If not, search in the market for busybox installer. The reason you see an ip there is wget doesnt play well with hostnames on the android due to the way it resolves domains and busybox generally being statically linked. If you want to try another url, you have to get the ip like above (you can do that by pinging the hostname on your phone).
3)Note "real" the time it took in seconds and divide 100 by that to get Megabytes per second (MBps not Mbps) or by 102400 to get Kilobytes per second (I suppose you could get Megabits, but that's a pretty pointless measurement other than making your connection look fast compared to saying bytes, since your files all appear in bytes and browser downloads show in bytes). If you really care about mbps, multiple what you did above already by 8.
4) when it finishes you have an answer totally on your phone alone.
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I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in the Thunderbolt forums but I did a search and could only find posts in other phone specific forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940190
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943171
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937925&highlight=throttle
I have LTE turned on in my area and when I use my wireless tether for root users I get awesome speeds between 2-3MBps but after about 150-200MB downloaded those speeds immediately drop off to just 10-20k or so. Now I rarely go over the 5GB soft cap and even when I do it's only by a few hundred MBs. Is there some sort of throttling going on and any way to stop it?
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I believe there is a problem with the "Wireless Tether" app. I don't think it plays well with the 4G, this could be a reason for it. Have you tried used the "Mobile Hotspot" app, that comes with the phone? Do you get the same results?
I have also used the stock mobile hotspot app as well as tether via usb and get the same result. For clarification... I am downloading large files (500mb or larger) from a work server so I know that it's a problem on my phone end and not a problem on the server end. I can be on my home computer and download the files and never drop below 5MBps download the whole time... usually never drop below 10MBps to be honest.
Android police says that the way wireless tether works.. there is no way to tell if you're tethering or not without digging deep into packets.. deep enough that it would be invasion of privacy
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/04/27/psa-take-it-easy-att-isnt-targeting-unauthorized-android-tethering-and-may-never/
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Android police says that the way wireless tether works.. there is no way to tell if you're tethering or not without digging deep into packets.. deep enough that it would be invasion of privacy
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...unauthorized-android-tethering-and-may-never/
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That's all good and well but there is definitely something going on here. I've run the same test same file all 3 ways once every 4 hours since my first post and at about 150-200mb downloaded my speeds drop to almost non existent and the same goes for files downloaded from Microsoft and Google among others. Downloading the same file from my home internet does not see this slow down at all. I've even tried letting it run for over an hour like that to see if it was something temporary. It seems to stay throttled down till I've let the phone sit for a few hours without using any data then kicks back up to normal speeds until I restart another large download.
Is there any way to do a more controlled experiment to see if I'm crazy, unique or what?
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That's all good and well but there is definitely something going on here. I've run the same test same file all 3 ways once every 4 hours since my first post and at about 150-200mb downloaded my speeds drop to almost non existent and the same goes for files downloaded from Microsoft and Google among others. Downloading the same file from my home internet does not see this slow down at all. I've even tried letting it run for over an hour like that to see if it was something temporary. It seems to stay throttled down till I've let the phone sit for a few hours without using any data then kicks back up to normal speeds until I restart another large download.
Is there any way to do a more controlled experiment to see if I'm crazy, unique or what?
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yeah...backup your current rom, flash and restore your phone back to near stock (still rooted) and try without any meddling (custom stuff) http://www.multiupload.com/26WG1UZCXR http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009423
you also never mentioned what android version and rom you are currently using. if it's anything other than froyo, that could be your problem since nothing else is anywhere as stable (by stable, i dont mean "oh it works" i mean as in tested throughly and was put out for non testing release).
Though the above suggestions stated above likely are the culprit, and will help you...there is also a chance that you are indeed being throttled occasionally. Infact, I'm sure we all have been. Verizon has several manned data centers throughout the state who monitor all the traffic happening, and can, and will, activately manupulate the speeds, thoroughput, etc depending on how conjestion things are. And yes, they can even pinpoint it on an individual level...though they rarely do that, tending to focus on what's happening on a more macro level.
I actually wasn't even aware of this until recently, but some guy who worked at Verizon who was also in school for that sort of thing let it slip when we started chatting for a second, to which he received a scathing look from the ***** manager, so that ended the conversation.
I was running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and I did return to stock without root this morning to try it out that way as well and I'm still seeing the same results.
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I was running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and I did return to stock without root this morning to try it out that way as well and I'm still seeing the same results.
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Find someone else with a 4g device and have them download next to you at the same time. Only other option I can think of doing.
I'll try that.
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I got with a few friends and tried a few different things. 3 people with Thunderbolts and 2 with Droid Charge. 2 in Seattle and 3 in Spokane. The Thunderbolts rooted and running DasBAMF 1.6.3 and the Charges fully stock. We tried the download using 3 methods for the TBolt's (wireless tether for root, mobile hotspot and USB tether) and the Charges used the mobile hotspot.
We all downloaded the same files. A 512mb video file, 400mb zipped picture file and a 300mb document file.
My Seattle friends who have had the "official" 4G LTE launch had no issues downloading at all... 1 TBolt and 1 Charge. Download went smoothly and never throttled down at all.
All 3 of us here in Spokane saw the same throttling going on. Could this be more an effect of LTE not being "officially" deployed in Spokane yet? It's not supposed to be officially launched till June 19th but we've been able to access it for several weeks now.
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All 3 of us here in Spokane saw the same throttling going on. Could this be more an effect of LTE not being "officially" deployed in Spokane yet? It's not supposed to be officially launched till June 19th but we've been able to access it for several weeks now.
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I would say that's a possibility. I get around 130 kbit/sec down, and LTE was officially launched here in december but only at our airport. I've been checking for nearly two weeks now and it's stayed the same. the upload is normal, was 3.5mbit/sec today.
This is all good to know. I'll be in Seattle next week for work. Can't wait to have 4G for a week
hey guys ive been really really trying really super hard to figure out why my android os is always at 80-90 percent cuz after 10 hours my battery is almost dead (in the red) so i got os monitor, cpu spy, and betterbatterystats to try to hunt the prob down and i have spent countless days since i got the phone to figure out what it is thats draining my battery so im on stock with codeworks kernal for cwm and rooted with superoneclick i froze a lot of apps and what not but still had the prob so i left my house one day to hit the beach and i said well i dont need wifi or gps so i turned it off for the 1st time and at the end of the day when i get home and pull out my phone from my bag it said it was on for 10 hours and i was only at 80 percent!!!! so i tested it some more and it seems that my android os is not high at all when wifi and gps are off plus i get awsome battery so my guess would be wifi drain i just want other ppl to try it also and see if that fixes there probs too idk just thought i would share my story sorry its so long but plz dont bash me if ive said noob stuff thx
Ya because when I'm right next to my router which is awesome I don't even get full signal so I think its the wifi.signal.
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You should always turn off WiFi and Bluetooth when not connected to something. WiFi has been a thorn in my side too. I don't use it very often, and sometimes when I use it at home I forget to turn it off.
One of the things I miss most from my WinMo phone was the constant LED and notification indication WiFi is on. With Android and iOS if you are not connected you don't have any icon showing its on. There should be a WiFi with an X, like when you have no signal, to indicate: Hey you! Yeah, you ... you left WiFi on, you dope! Or, an option built into the OS that will let you turn it off automatically when disconnected for so long. I know there are apps to do this (juice defender is a popular one), but this such a core common sense thing that should be built in. At least with Bluetooth you see the logo staring at you when you leave it on.
Sorry to rant, that's been bugging me for 3 years.
GPS on the other hand only activates and uses battery when needed. However all sort of apps can call the need. Again, this warns you when its in use, so its not a surprise later.
I get much batter battery life than with my captivate, but I keep on top of WiFi and BT when not using them.
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and this is why people use apps like JuiceDefender and Tasker or Locale
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and this is why people use apps like JuiceDefender and Tasker or Locale
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For wifi you can just set the policy to When screen turns off.
So far, not a single person has been able to actually find a wifi bug.
Every time someone thinks they've found it, things have been working as intended.
If you have an app that causes lots of network traffic, it'll inhibit deep sleep, but since most of the time spent handling the network traffic is in excessive suspending/resuming, Android OS gets the blame and not the responsible app.
Useful references:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290020 - the first 15-20 pages are garbage, but the last 15-20 has some excellent data collection
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030 - My list of known identified battery drainers
Let me guess - you are running Skype or another IM application that does not use Google C2DM? (As far as I know, only Google Talk and Tango use C2DM)
I'm surprised that turning off wifi didn't make things worse, unless in your case the app responsible behaves differently when on a cellular network, or you have packet data disabled.
BetterBatteryStats is almost useless for hunting Android OS drain, as it does not show kernel wakelocks. The only way to get the truth is to get the contents of /proc/wakelocks
thank you entropy for that info but yes im stuck at the fact that even on mobile network it dont drain like it does with wifi which im not a pro or anything but im just assuming that it cant be an app cuz if it was i would think it would use the same amount of data whether it was wifi or mobile cuz internet is internet but for me i dont know about other ppl everytime i turn off wifi my battery dramatically increases by alot and my android os is never the highest anymore when its off so i dont know if this will do anything but i will do a factory reset and try my testing again like that and see what happens.... plz correct me if i say anything wrong im just trying to help but i only know so much im not a dev lol
p.s. *edit* oh and to answer your question no i am not using any type of im like skype or what not the only thing i have on the phone is the talk thats on it but ive never even clicked it before so it has never been run yet or set up or w/e not sure of that matters but yea... but thank you entropy for that info it really helped me think a little bit more
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You should always turn off WiFi and Bluetooth when not connected to something. WiFi has been a thorn in my side too. I don't use it very often, and sometimes when I use it at home I forget to turn it off.
One of the things I miss most from my WinMo phone was the constant LED and notification indication WiFi is on. With Android and iOS if you are not connected you don't have any icon showing its on. There should be a WiFi with an X, like when you have no signal, to indicate: Hey you! Yeah, you ... you left WiFi on, you dope! Or, an option built into the OS that will let you turn it off automatically when disconnected for so long. I know there are apps to do this (juice defender is a popular one), but this such a core common sense thing that should be built in. At least with Bluetooth you see the logo staring at you when you leave it on.
Sorry to rant, that's been bugging me for 3 years.
GPS on the other hand only activates and uses battery when needed. However all sort of apps can call the need. Again, this warns you when its in use, so its not a surprise later.
I get much batter battery life than with my captivate, but I keep on top of WiFi and BT when not using them.
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I agree on Bluetooth. I disagree on wifi - Even for background data, wifi is FAR more efficient than cellular data in terms of power usage. There is no longer any reason to turn off wifi, unless you have a misbehaving app that consumes lare amounts of data when on wifi.
Unlike previous devices, the standby drain of the BCM4330 chipset in our phones is EXTREMELY low.
If Samsung's power_profile.xml numbers are correct, the wifi standby drain current of the BCM4330 on the Galaxy S2 is less than 1/10 that of the chipset used in the I9000/Captivate.
However, radio data is far less power efficient than it was on the I9000/Captivate - A change in the architecture of our phone's radio interface means that any radio data transfers, even for a single packet, incur a minimum 6 second wakelock penalty. (Compare to an average of 1 second for small wifi packets.) This doesn't even count the power penalties involved in transmitting to the tower vs. transmitting to a wifi access point.
In fact, when taking these two things together (high wakelock penalties for radio data, and wifi standby drain 1/10 that of previous devices), you should actually not only avoid turning off wifi, you should set the sleep policy to "never" so that it prefers wifi to the cell radio.
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thank you entropy for that info but yes im stuck at the fact that even on mobile network it dont drain like it does with wifi which im not a pro or anything but im just assuming that it cant be an app cuz if it was i would think it would use the same amount of data whether it was wifi or mobile cuz internet is internet but for me i dont know about other ppl everytime i turn off wifi my battery dramatically increases by alot and my android os is never the highest anymore when its off so i dont know if this will do anything but i will do a factory reset and try my testing again like that and see what happens.... plz correct me if i say anything wrong im just trying to help but i only know so much im not a dev lol
p.s. *edit* oh and to answer your question no i am not using any type of im like skype or what not the only thing i have on the phone is the talk thats on it but ive never even clicked it before so it has never been run yet or set up or w/e not sure of that matters but yea... but thank you entropy for that info it really helped me think a little bit more
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You are incorrect. Some apps specifically check whether they are on wifi or on cellular data and change their behavior accordingly. "Internet is Internet" is not true - cell data is fundamentally slower and more expensive in nearly all situations, and as a result, many apps behave differently on wifi.
For example, normally Google Talk will not allow video chat on cellular data, only on wifi, unless it has been hacked to change that behavior.
Some apps specifically have "use this feature only when on wifi" checkboxes, such as Amazon MP3.
I am 90% certain you have such an app somewhere driving data transfers.
Turn on wifi, reproduce the drain, and pull /proc/wakelocks as documented in the threads I linked above.
There has, to this day, not been a single documented case of the wifi chipset just randomly "wigging out" and keeping the device out of deep sleep - in EVERY single case, root cause was eventually traced back to network traffic, which could then be traced to an app. (For example, Skype in AndreLux's case.)
You might also want to install something like My Data Manager to see what is generating your network traffic.
When I first got my GS2, I was getting rapid battery drain and high heat. Turns out, I had put a SD card in that used to be in my old phone, and Google+ was uploading all the old pictures and videos that were on the card. My Data Manager showed me that this had used almost 800M of mobile data.
My data manager will show you what your usage is on mobile and on wifi, and which specific apps are using how much.
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Let me guess - you are running Skype or another IM application that does not use Google C2DM? (As far as I know, only Google Talk and Tango use C2DM)
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Trillian does as well.
jetarpon said:
You might also want to install something like My Data Manager to see what is generating your network traffic.
When I first got my GS2, I was getting rapid battery drain and high heat. Turns out, I had put a SD card in that used to be in my old phone, and Google+ was uploading all the old pictures and videos that were on the card. My Data Manager showed me that this had used almost 800M of mobile data.
My data manager will show you what your usage is on mobile and on wifi, and which specific apps are using how much.
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you guys are such a great help thank you but where can i find your data manager?
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I agree on Bluetooth. I disagree on wifi - Even for background data, wifi is FAR more efficient than cellular data in terms of power usage. There is no longer any reason to turn off wifi, unless you have a misbehaving app that consumes lare amounts of data when on wifi.
Unlike previous devices, the standby drain of the BCM4330 chipset in our phones is EXTREMELY low.
If Samsung's power_profile.xml numbers are correct, the wifi standby drain current of the BCM4330 on the Galaxy S2 is less than 1/10 that of the chipset used in the I9000/Captivate.
However, radio data is far less power efficient than it was on the I9000/Captivate - A change in the architecture of our phone's radio interface means that any radio data transfers, even for a single packet, incur a minimum 6 second wakelock penalty. (Compare to an average of 1 second for small wifi packets.) This doesn't even count the power penalties involved in transmitting to the tower vs. transmitting to a wifi access point.
In fact, when taking these two things together (high wakelock penalties for radio data, and wifi standby drain 1/10 that of previous devices), you should actually not only avoid turning off wifi, you should set the sleep policy to "never" so that it prefers wifi to the cell radio.
You are incorrect. Some apps specifically check whether they are on wifi or on cellular data and change their behavior accordingly. "Internet is Internet" is not true - cell data is fundamentally slower and more expensive in nearly all situations, and as a result, many apps behave differently on wifi.
For example, normally Google Talk will not allow video chat on cellular data, only on wifi, unless it has been hacked to change that behavior.
Some apps specifically have "use this feature only when on wifi" checkboxes, such as Amazon MP3.
I am 90% certain you have such an app somewhere driving data transfers.
Turn on wifi, reproduce the drain, and pull /proc/wakelocks as documented in the threads I linked above.
There has, to this day, not been a single documented case of the wifi chipset just randomly "wigging out" and keeping the device out of deep sleep - in EVERY single case, root cause was eventually traced back to network traffic, which could then be traced to an app. (For example, Skype in AndreLux's case.)
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thank you im learning every day because of ppl like you who like to share information like that i would love to reproduce the drain and pull the wakelocks but honestly i have no idea how to and i havent really searched for it either but i think i might just have to learn how to use adb and what not hopefully i can find out what app is draining my battery and causing android os to be super super high thx
I gave the ADB commands necessary for pulling the wakelocks file in one of the threads I linked on the first page.
For getting ADB set up, if you're on Windows you may want to look for Droid Explorer (Google it) - it's a pretty nifty frontend to ADB and I believe it helps you install ADB.
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you guys are such a great help thank you but where can i find your data manager?
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The name of it is "My Data Manager." It's in the market.
It's not mine, I just use it.
Okay..u guys should try out a app called "WIFI STATUS". It gives u a notification when your wifi is on but not connected. Really a awesome app.
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I gave the ADB commands necessary for pulling the wakelocks file in one of the threads I linked on the first page.
For getting ADB set up, if you're on Windows you may want to look for Droid Explorer (Google it) - it's a pretty nifty frontend to ADB and I believe it helps you install ADB.
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thank you i will def look into that im actually installing right now.....
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The name of it is "My Data Manager." It's in the market.
It's not mine, I just use it.
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thx i will try this out
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Okay..u guys should try out a app called "WIFI STATUS". It gives u a notification when your wifi is on but not connected. Really a awesome app.
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On but not connected shouldn't be a problem for our devices - see my previous posts about the fact that our standby drain is supposedly VERY low.
On but transferring lots of background data when connected will go killtacular on your battery.
PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD TO GENERAL MY APOLOGIES
I know battery life issues have been talked to death but...Here's a new perspective:
so I have been doing some experimenting with my amaze in terms of battery life and asking my friend who works at T-mobile regarding his SGS2...He says his battery life seems to be pretty crappy too, marginally better than the amaze....so, I hard reset my phone and I did not sign into google, left my phone on airplain mode, basically I did not set up anything...I turned off wifi, and data everything was truned off...I went for 10 hours with only 2 percent battery drainage...then I signed into google....and in a matter of 10 minutes I went from 98 percent to 92... Watever is eating the battery up is not the phones hardware fault or the screens fault... I turned off background data sync and it seemed to make little difference...It seems the google programs or any program that needs internet connect regardless of syncing or not will have significant effect on your battery life...between 4g and wifi I saw little difference in battery life drainage...my phone signal is completely green so I cannot blame the signal... I cannot possibly kill gmail, market, maps etc...these are programs I use constantly...lets hope with the ICS update some of these sofware issues will resolve...
google needs to start managing applications better and not leave a bunch of applications running in the forground and background...
I've heard different theories regarding task killers...some say it actually worsens battery life since programs keep wanting to restart and some say it saves battery life...can anyone elaborate on this? I have juice defender ultimate, it seems to make minute difference in battery life as well.
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Display is the biggest factor obviously and then its data transfer or anything that has to do with transmitting signal.
like every other phone the 100% lasts for a long time then after it drops it drops quickly. So your analyses is flawed since it already dropped from 100% and then you switched data on. There are apps that are constantly sending data and the sense UI kills the battery a lot too. Thats why AOSP roms are better for battery life.
Juicedefender helps
setcpu helps
managing your apps helps
changing your background to black helps
I've tried juice defender, um... I would suggest you read about instructions on flashing a custom ROM I'm on quiksense and when 2.0 comes out I heard xboarder's got some really nice improvements with the 1.4.1 version I almost doubled my battery life. My phone used to go down to 50~60 idle over night, now it's about 90~ idle over night.
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Display is the biggest factor obviously and then its data transfer or anything that has to do with transmitting signal.
like every other phone the 100% lasts for a long time then after it drops it drops quickly. So your analyses is flawed since it already dropped from 100% and then you switched data on. There are apps that are constantly sending data and the sense UI kills the battery a lot too. Thats why AOSP roms are better for battery life.
Juicedefender helps
setcpu helps
managing your apps helps
changing your background to black helps
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Juicedefender did help but then I was missing all my google talk messages, google voice messages, google voice voicemails and a bunch of stuff...ever going through the settings and setting it up to recheck background data every 5 minutes did not work with J/D...so I stopped using it...I need my data to come through...whats the point of having a phone if you can't get notification and use the features meant to.... I used to be a strickly no bloatware simplistic out of the box google experience guy...thus my nexus one...I LOVED IT...then dropped it and not worth fixing. nexus S was dissapointing, so is the galaxy nexus...I hate all the bloatware, and all the customizations t-mobile makes to the phone...like t-mobile inscription on the phone, t-mobile startup screen...etc...yes I know I could root and change all that stuff...honestly I just don't feel like going through all that crap!!! and also void my warranty...I don't undestand howcome the iphone is never branded!!!???/ wtf....I buy a phone and it's mine why does it have to come with a logo of the company....IT'S MY PHONE. THEY SHOULD INSCRIBE MY NAME ON IT. as for the bloatware I figured out how to temproot and freeze programs... I don't think you can change the startup screen to the original HTC one with temp root...damn T-mobile...you used to be so much better...
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Juicedefender did help but then I was missing all my google talk messages, google voice messages, google voice voicemails and a bunch of stuff...ever going through the settings and setting it up to recheck background data every 5 minutes did not work with J/D...so I stopped using it...I need my data to come through...whats the point of having a phone if you can't get notification and use the features meant to.... I used to be a strickly no bloatware simplistic out of the box google experience guy...thus my nexus one...I LOVED IT...then dropped it and not worth fixing. nexus S was dissapointing, so is the galaxy nexus...I hate all the bloatware, and all the customizations t-mobile makes to the phone...like t-mobile inscription on the phone, t-mobile startup screen...etc...yes I know I could root and change all that stuff...honestly I just don't feel like going through all that crap!!! and also void my warranty...I don't undestand howcome the iphone is never branded!!!???/ wtf....I buy a phone and it's mine why does it have to come with a logo of the company....IT'S MY PHONE. THEY SHOULD INSCRIBE MY NAME ON IT. as for the bloatware I figured out how to temproot and freeze programs... I don't think you can change the startup screen to the original HTC one with temp root...damn T-mobile...you used to be so much better...
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use JD ultimate and set the apps to work with screen off.
you can get a telus or wind model without the tmobile branding
i think you can change the bootanimation with temp root because it's just a file? I'm not exactly sure about that one though.
apple sells their iphone to ATT
as htc sells their phone tmobile
tmobile probably request a branding on it with a higher cost.
att probably reject the higher cost because they're already losing money when buying the iphone from apple (i think i remember i read it awhile ago) and make money off data plans.
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use JD ultimate and set the apps to work with screen off.
you can get a telus or wind model without the tmobile branding
i think you can change the bootanimation with temp root because it's just a file? I'm not exactly sure about that one though.
apple sells their iphone to ATT
as htc sells their phone tmobile
tmobile probably request a branding on it with a higher cost.
att probably reject the higher cost because they're already losing money when buying the iphone from apple (i think i remember i read it awhile ago) and make money off data plans.
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I did use JD ultimate with those apps enable, NO GO, MAYBE I SHOULD RESTART AND GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY...its only when that program requests it that it can initiate the data line, otherwise if someone sends you a text i will not get it since both wifi and data line are cut off permenantly during screen off that is how it saves battery....enabling programs are good for things such as pandora etc...once they end a playlist or something it automatically turns off....this is what I understood from the explaination...i temp rooted and removed some bloatware...hopefully I can change the startup screen as well, perhaps through adb push
P.S. where do I download the original HTC boot animation and sound and what folder is it in to push into? thanks
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I did use JD ultimate with those apps enable, NO GO, MAYBE I SHOULD RESTART AND GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY...its only when that program requests it that it can initiate the data line, otherwise if someone sends you a text i will not get it since both wifi and data line are cut off permenantly during screen off that is how it saves battery....enabling programs are good for things such as pandora etc...once they end a playlist or something it automatically turns off....this is what I understood from the explaination...i temp rooted and removed some bloatware...hopefully I can change the startup screen as well, perhaps through adb push
P.S. where do I download the original HTC boot animation and sound and what folder is it in to push into? thanks
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for JD you want to click on the app thing twice so it goes to enable/screen off not just enabled. But yeah i noticed that sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
not sure where the bootanimation and sounds is it at, i never played with it. You should check out the themes section, you can download the zip and browse through where it goes.... other than that there might be other threads with the instructions on where it's at.
You may want to try an AOSP based rom, (if you rooted)
I was getting 18 hours of use with 36% left, Medium usage (ie browsing, texting)
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for JD you want to click on the app thing twice so it goes to enable/screen off not just enabled. But yeah i noticed that sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
not sure where the bootanimation and sounds is it at, i never played with it. You should check out the themes section, you can download the zip and browse through where it goes.... other than that there might be other threads with the instructions on where it's at.
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ya i clicked twice enable/screen off...still no go for those particular programs i tested and tested it....oh well..my batterly life is not bad at all...besides I have a car kit which charges it in the car. once i started using the thing tho, battery drains fast...its no mystery its got a big screen bigger than my old N1 which used to be amoled and this is lcd...also this uses 4g which consumes significantly greater battery...faster processor etc....its not a mystery!!! they need to come up with a new battery technology soon!!!!
My phone started dieing overnight and I was really confused because I could've sworn I had a lot of like left when I went to bed. So I did a test tonight...
Charged to 100% at 10:30pm
All background application closed, ram cleared
Wifi and GPS off
Results: after 8.5 hours of doing nothing, I lost over 75% battery.
Screenshots are below...WTF is happening with my phone?
Looks like something is keeping it from deep sleep. Download cpuspy and see if that is the case. When you click on phone stand by what does it say?
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Like this?
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Looks like something is keeping it from deep sleep. Download cpuspy and see if that is the case. When you click on phone stand by what does it say?
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It just says Time on 8h XXm XXs
Looks like Google talk is keeping it awake. Never used GT before so not sure if that is normal. I am having similar (but not as drastic) with ms exchange keeping mine in awake state. I am using ics alpha 2 Rom and did not have this issue on stock GB. What Rom are you using?
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It also looks like your cell signal isn't all that great so it's constantly pinging. Not sure about that though. Do you need data all the time? I use 2x battery so it severs data. Saves a **** ton of battery life.
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I noticed the Google Talk but I never use it, and it's installed on my phone, but I can find a way to uninstall it anywhere. It also doesn't give me an option to log out either.
Oh and I'm running the ICS alpha 2 ROM. I don't recall having this problem with GB.
I use the ICS -1 Click Odin leak (In progress of getting a better ICS loaded) but I have noticed that I run into a lot of Battery life problems when I am sleeping... If I leave my phone unplugged overnight it always dies, I have to charge it. It's weird... Because I can be on it all day with amazing Battery life, then it just dies over night with a full charge of not even being in use...
I probably need to run some analytics to see what is killing it in the first place... I always force close my apps though...
This happens on any OS, GB, or ICS...
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I noticed the Google Talk but I never use it, and it's installed on my phone, but I can find a way to uninstall it anywhere. It also doesn't give me an option to log out either.
Oh and I'm running the ICS alpha 2 ROM. I don't recall having this problem with GB.
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I had the same problem which is why I went back to GB. Remember this is an ATT leak of an unfinished ROM. they have all sorts of unfinished code and debugging running that it's bound to cause these issues.
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It also looks like your cell signal isn't all that great so it's constantly pinging. Not sure about that though. Do you need data all the time? I use 2x battery so it severs data. Saves a **** ton of battery life.
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BINGO!!! Just checked some screen capture from battery stats from GB and my cell strength was no ways near as bad as it is on ICS. Need to see if any fixes are out there. It almost all tan for signal strength on ICS vs all green in GB. Same locales for both samples.
by the way, i was getting between 1 day to 1.5 days on rooted GB oc'd to 1.84 with 4 hours screen time. Did not ever see exchange using any noticeable % of battery. Now getting 15 hours with 2 hours screen time and exchange using 6% of the battery. Not going back yet because the pro's out weigh the con's.
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Well that would suck if the ICS radio is a step backwards over the GB radio....
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Yep, it seems like the partial wakelocks are getting you.
It will go into deep sleep but then go up to 384 off and on.
Gtalk looks like the biggest culprit.
Like I said if data is off it shouldn't have wakelocks.
Another test you could do tonight is the exact same but put it in airplane mode.
It shouldn't budge much.....
I managed to find a way to log out of google talk, so I'll test it under the same conditions tonight to see if that changes anything.
Airplane mode overnight is not an option for me since I need cell service in case of emergency calls. Generally, I do notice slightly worse reception of the previous GB ROM, so the modem might be questionable.
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I managed to find a way to log out of google talk, so I'll test it under the same conditions tonight to see if that changes anything.
Airplane mode overnight is not an option for me since I need cell service in case of emergency calls. Generally, I do notice slightly worse reception of the previous GB ROM, so the modem might be questionable.
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Understood about the calls. You can get calls and texts without data though. That's why I was recommending 2x battery which is like juice defender I think. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.aDataOnOff&hl=en
I realized I really don't need data unless I 'want' data. I do push my emails but they won't push until I turn on data. Saves a lot of battery, especially when on LTE.....
It works well for me because you can set a delay for the data. So you can turn on your screen (not unlock) and see if you got any new texts. If not, put it back in my pocket. All without data coming on. I do these quick checks all time...
Then there is a delay time you can set after you unlock.
I have mine set to 3 min. If I do get a text, I will unlock, read it and maybe respond quickly, then put it back in my pocket. As long as its not mms that's all done without data.
If I need to get data prior to the 3min there is a notification to connect the data.
I'm coming from the thunderbolt and we had to REALLY find all the tricks to save battery life. As it given to us by HTC and Verizon it was unacceptable.
At any rate, sorry for the wind there. If you're wondering, I have no association with 2X battery. I just like to spread the word when I find an app that is useful and has helped me out.
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Understood about the calls. You can get calls and texts without data though. That's why I was recommending 2x battery which is like juice defender I think. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.aDataOnOff&hl=en
I realized I really don't need data unless I 'want' data. I do push my emails but they won't push until I turn on data. Saves a lot of battery, especially when on LTE.....
It works well for me because you can set a delay for the data. So you can turn on your screen (not unlock) and see if you got any new texts. If not, put it back in my pocket. All without data coming on. I do these quick checks all time...
Then there is a delay time you can set after you unlock.
I have mine set to 3 min. If I do get a text, I will unlock, read it and maybe respond quickly, then put it back in my pocket. As long as its not mms that's all done without data.
If I need to get data prior to the 3min there is a notification to connect the data.
I'm coming from the thunderbolt and we had to REALLY find all the tricks to save battery life. As it given to us by HTC and Verizon it was unacceptable.
At any rate, sorry for the wind there. If you're wondering, I have no association with 2X battery. I just like to spread the word when I find an app that is useful and has helped me out.
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I used to use juice defender but a couple things were a deal breaker for me:
1) First was that it rendered Cerberus almost completely useless. I could not get the phone to connect using the web interface at cerberusapp.com since the phone had no data with the screen off. Sure I could have used the SMS method of activation, but I don't have another phone to text from and it just isn't as flexible as the website.
2) Every time I unlocked the phone, I had to wait 10+ seconds for data to fully reconnect before I can start using stuff. When I unlock the phone, it's usually to check something very quick, and if I'm stuck waiting, I'd rather suffer the battery loss than to wait a bunch of times.
I suspect every battery saver app has this issue, and they can probably be configured to work to my needs, but I just don't have the time and patience to be tinkering with stuff like that.
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I used to use juice defender but a couple things were a deal breaker for me:
1) First was that it rendered Cerberus almost completely useless. I could not get the phone to connect using the web interface at cerberusapp.com since the phone had no data with the screen off. Sure I could have used the SMS method of activation, but I don't have another phone to text from and it just isn't as flexible as the website.
2) Every time I unlocked the phone, I had to wait 10+ seconds for data to fully reconnect before I can start using stuff. When I unlock the phone, it's usually to check something very quick, and if I'm stuck waiting, I'd rather suffer the battery loss than to wait a bunch of times.
I suspect every battery saver app has this issue, and they can probably be configured to work to my needs, but I just don't have the time and patience to be tinkering with stuff like that.
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JD Ultimate has an option that allows foreground apps to force enable/disable data, which is an easy thing to set. Also, my experience with JD is that data reconnects as soon as I unlock the phone and before I can launch an app. Battery saver apps are definitely frustrating, but I find that the correct settings fix 95% of the annoyances.
I hear ya on the time thing. Just thought I'd over up that tidbit. I don't seem to have much of a delay. 2x does allow for whitelisting apps you want to run like Pandora.
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Google Talk is like any other VoiP service, it will have a heartbeat that needs to talk back to the mothership every so many seconds.
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Google Talk is like any other VoiP service, it will have a heartbeat that needs to talk back to the mothership every so many seconds.
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Yup, that's exactly why I don't want it. If I rarely/never use the app, I don't want it constantly connected wasting my battery and data. I wish there was an easy way to turn that off. I've been reading on Google and there were posts from 1-2 years ago that said signing out of gtalk doesn't help with the wakelock, so we shall see tonight when I test it again.
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Yup, that's exactly why I don't want it. If I rarely/never use the app, I don't want it constantly connected wasting my battery and data. I wish there was an easy way to turn that off. I've been reading on Google and there were posts from 1-2 years ago that said signing out of gtalk doesn't help with the wakelock, so we shall see tonight when I test it again.
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Actually, there is (sort of). Purchase an app called Autostarts on the market. Open it, wait for it to finish loading, hit the menu button, then tap the 'group by application' option.
Then, scroll thru the list to Google Talk and tap it. This will expand a bunch of different conditions that Google Talk automatically starts under. Disabling every condition will cause the app to never automatically start in the background (but the app will still launch if you manually launch it). Since I dont currently have root, I cant see what the conditions are, but you might need to leave one or two enabled if you need to receive incoming calls.
Reboot your phone after making any changes.
I should also mention that if you manually launch the app, you need to remember to manually close the app if this is what you assume is causing the battery drain.
If nothing else, you can use Autostarts to help determine if Gtalk is what is causing the issue by just disabling everything for it and watching battery drain rate.
I also use another app called Battery Widget Pro by 3c which will tell you everything about the battery and what exactly is causing it to drain.
What I would do is disable everything unless it looks like its something for receiving calls (if you need to receive calls that is) and reboot the phone, then test it by using another phone to call your Google # and make sure it works.
The point is tho to disable everything you can. I personally use Autostarts to disable every user app that doesnt either have a widget or a scheduled process that needs to run in the background to perform its task. Helps a crap ton with battery life.
So looks like signing out of google talk did not help anything looking at more detail in the better battery stats it might be google maps that's causing all the wakeups
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anybody else notice an increase in their data usage when on a jb rom?
i have a 2gb data plan and when i'm on an ics rom (currently padawan 5 or 9),
i don't come near to using the 2gb monthly limit.
when i switch to any jb rom, i get a message from at&t warning me i'm at 65%
usage after the first two weeks of the month.
yes, i've checked the synch setting and i don't do anything differently between either rom.
weird.
beenkenobee said:
anybody else notice an increase in their data usage when on a jb rom?
i have a 2gb data plan and when i'm on an ics rom (currently padawan 5 or 9),
i don't come near to using the 2gb monthly limit.
when i switch to any jb rom, i get a message from at&t warning me i'm at 65%
usage after the first two weeks of the month.
yes, i've checked the synch setting and i don't do anything differently between either rom.
weird.
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Under settings the third item is "data". It tells you what's using data and how much it's using. If you're on a strict data diet I HIGHLY recommend checking it often. You can even set limits and usage warnings. I have unlimited and thank God because I use at least 1 gig a week. I'm constantly streaming music. I noticed that "Google now" and "maps" is sucking up more data than it use too.
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Under settings the third item is "data". It tells you what's using data and how much it's using. If you're on a strict data diet I HIGHLY recommend checking it often. You can even set limits and usage warnings. I have unlimited and thank God because I use at least 1 gig a week. I'm constantly streaming music. I noticed that "Google now" and "maps" is sucking up more data than it use too.
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Time for Droid Wall.
Greenify worked a lot in my case.