We dont allow "whats the best rom?" or "tell me what to run next" threads as it becomes a popularity contest because every phone is different, so you need to try them all and see what you like and what runs best for you.
There are already several threads about which roms and kernels people are running, perhaps that may give you a clue... but you need to try them out on your phone.
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Yeah, I get that, and wasn't intending to do something that wasn't allowed...
So, allow me to take it in a new direction, please -
With plenty of AT&T i777's out there, why do people seem to get different results by seemingly doing the same thing? You say try it on my phone, and I'd hazard a guess that many have done what I did, yet I saw very few people with the same problems. What are the possible variances?
This is general not question and answer...
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Thanks... I'm still feeling my way around here... obviously. Guess I gotta figure out how the forums work before I can learn how to make my phone work better.
Apology accepted.
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Yeah, I get that, and wasn't intending to do something that wasn't allowed...
So, allow me to take it in a new direction, please -
With plenty of AT&T i777's out there, why do people seem to get different results by seemingly doing the same thing? You say try it on my phone, and I'd hazard a guess that many have done what I did, yet I saw very few people with the same problems. What are the possible variances?
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There's about 20 different things that can vary, not counting user's perspective.
ryude said:
There's about 20 different things that can vary, not counting user's perspective.
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For instance, whether you're in space, or underwater really determines which kernel or ROM works for you. Some people around here say the real place everything varies is on an isolated island with no food or water, just ice skates and a volleyball and your phone with whatever ROM + kernel combo you're using.
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Many things differ. Im far too intoxicated to go in depth, but download a few roms yourself and inspect them. Compare them together and read their logs. You'll really learn a lot by researching in depth.
Different ROMS run differently on every phone. you've gotta find the one that just 'feels' right.
Hope that somewhat answered your question lol
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I suppose there might be differences depending on what batch your phone was made in. If you look in certain threads, a majority of users might have no problems while a couple have major problems. One time, everyone was having issues with a certain patch, but I found it to run absolutely perfect on my phone.
It's like the battery threads where everyone compares their stock battery. Some people get better batteries than the average, and some get worse batteries.
I try ROMs until I find one that works well for me; I then stick with it until I get bored again.
You will also find that some modem/radios work better in different parts of the country. Also, different kennels may be set up to handle different loads & tasks, meaning that the apps you like to run may play better with kernel "A", but with my setup I might get better performance with kernel "B". People use their phones in vastly different ways, hence, the different user experience.
Example, my wife and I both have this phone but with different ROMS. I put the same kernel on both phones though because i was getting great battery life with it. However, she's not getting near the screen-on time I am because she uses it much differently than i do...she's a chick...Facebook is the devil. Hope this helps some. Just have fun, that's part of the Android experience.
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You will also find that some modem/radios work better in different parts of the country. Also, different kennels may be set up to handle different loads & tasks, meaning that the apps you like to run may play better with kernel "A", but with my setup I might get better performance with kernel "B". People use their phones in vastly different ways, hence, the different user experience.
Example, my wife and I both have this phone but with different ROMS. I put the same kernel on both phones though because i was getting great battery life with it. However, she's not getting near the screen-on time I am because she uses it much differently than i do...she's a chick...Facebook is the devil. Hope this helps some. Just have fun, that's part of the Android experience.
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DITTO! That's hit the nail on the head. All ROMs are different from each other. Even the ones that the same team make (persay) with 2 different versions of the ROM (based on my experience with other phone ROMs). What you will use will depends on which ROM you will select in the long run. For the best performance, battery life, etc... You'll have to decide what you wants out of the ROM then select the one that can handle the tasks that you do.
Just like a personal computer, you could take two identical PCs and depending on the user apps installed and the customizations made by the users they will not perform identically. They will still look the same, but one may not be configured the way the other user prefers it. As the PCs get more use they will change based on user input and configuration. These phones are much the same. A ROM is a very personal choice and while it may look the same on two phones, the way it works is highly dependant upon how the user sets it up, how the use interacts with it, and what apps the user installs. That's why there really is no best ROM, only the ROM that best suits you. Finding it, unfortunately, rquires some personal trial and error to see what works best. No one can tell you what will work best for you.
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I know I am a new poster and fairly new member to XDA but that is mainly because I can read and have never really had the need to post anything. One thing that I have noticed is that ROMs are very sporadically placed throughout the forum and I think a lot of the mundane "What ROM should I use if I..." threads could be eliminated if a repository of sorts was created for them with feature list, performance eval, and battery eval.
Now I am not an expert by any means. I have played with a few ROMs trying to find one that has everything I want (yet to find) and I know I would love such a resource.
For now I am only looking at developing this for the Galaxy SII SGH-I777. I would need input from users of other devices/ROMs to supply information to expand it beyond that.
So my questions are: Would this be worthwhile? Does one already exist that I just haven't been able to find? Given the first two answers are yes and no, what specific features would you like to see in it? ROM suggestions would also be welcome as I know I don't know them all. I will gladly test them for the data myself but any extra help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
IMO, i dont think this is necessary. Most roms (at least right now) dont vary much with features. I think devs hit a ceiling with GB roms. You can create a matrix that illustrates battery life between all the roms but even thats a bit useless because battery life differs for everyone.
this is just my thought on this subject.
now that i think of it, someone did this for the captivate section and I dont believe it was used much.
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IMO, i dont think this is necessary. Most roms (at least right now) dont vary much with features. I think devs hit a ceiling with GB roms. You can create a matrix that illustrates battery life between all the roms but even thats a bit useless because battery life differs for everyone.
this is just my thought on this subject.
now that i think of it, someone did this for the captivate section and I dont believe it was used much.
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The lack of variety was something I noticed between a few of the ROMs I tested. I am still in the process though as I haven't had my SII for long. I was really hoping that there was more than what I've seen. I am a programmer but basically a web, iOS (only because my job trained me and paid for me to learn it for them), and database programmer. I know that I never recreate the wheel and always make sure that my programs have something that makes it unique.
I'm not saying that the devs around here aren't doing a good job. It is great that people put in the effort whether it be for their own use and they have just shared it or if they did it for the sole purpose of spreading their talents I think its great.
That said, I appreciate your input and $0.02! I would hate to start working on it and find that it was a waste of time! I do have to admit though that I was really hoping to be able to do something to help with the "Which ROM..." posts
Ok, so im looking at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278 specifically in the Frankenstein firmwares section because, seriously, if your going to put bits and peices together they gotta be the good bits n peices right?
Im mostly confused tho, whats the difference between LP2, LP3, LPS, LP4, LP7, LPD, etc.?
I know many of them were released in different regions, branding is going to be slightly different, apps i dont care about i usually strip out the crappy apps anyways.
I flash my modem because its what works best for me. Kernel i use Siyah. What differences, if any, will i see with the different roms? Or are they all pretty much the same?
If they are all pretty much the same then that begs the question why all the different versions? Which is widely accepted as "the best" or "One of the best" ?
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That last sentance was more directed as a "stay away from JPKI1 its rather buggy, ____ Is pretty much the same but without the bugs". On my prime its the same firmware pretty much worldwide, just translation is different for each region. Its easy to tell which version is better, usually the higher number is newer and has the previous versions bugs worked out. Samsung had to go weird and make regional updates so every region has a different version. THAT is where my confusion is.
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Ok, so im looking at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278 specifically in the Frankenstein firmwares section because, seriously, if your going to put bits and peices together they gotta be the good bits n peices right?
Im mostly confused tho, whats the difference between LP2, LP3, LPS, LP4, LP7, LPD, etc.?
I know many of them were released in different regions, branding is going to be slightly different, apps i dont care about i usually strip out the crappy apps anyways.
I flash my modem because its what works best for me. Kernel i use Siyah. What differences, if any, will i see with the different roms? Or are they all pretty much the same?
If they are all pretty much the same then that begs the question why all the different versions? Which is widely accepted as "the best" or "One of the best" ?
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And you were doing so well up until that last sentence.
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And you were doing so well up until that last sentence.
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Lol, in reguards to that i HAVE been trying out as many roms as i can and frankly im starting to forget which ones i tried and which ones i didnt try. I have found that some are just bad and people say to avoid them because most people have problems, thats more what i was hoping for with that statment.
I dont expect to have people do the work for me or try all the roms for me, and i know whats good for one person may not be good for another, im just... Overwhelmed by the abundance of options that are all apparently the same. Thats all.
To reiterate: THIS IS NOT A WHICH IS BEST thread, its a whats the difference thread, and im hoping to be pointed in the direction of which i might stay away from due to poor performance and which generally are the more accepted. But if even such generalities are pushing the rules too much we can omit that bit.
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Lol, in reguards to that i HAVE been trying out as many roms as i can and frankly im starting to forget which ones i tried and which ones i didnt try. I have found that some are just bad and people say to avoid them because most people have problems, thats more what i was hoping for with that statment.
I dont expect to have people do the work for me or try all the roms for me, and i know whats good for one person may not be good for another, im just... Overwhelmed by the abundance of options that are all apparently the same. Thats all.
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I've found changing your kernel makes more of a difference for me, since I tend to do most modding on my own anyway.
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I've found changing your kernel makes more of a difference for me, since I tend to do most modding on my own anyway.
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Where can i learn about modding roms? Usually i find im doing the same things to the roms i download, remove bloatware, install apex, install my own calendar and other widgets... If im already removing the differences then why bother changing roms since they are the same?
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Lol, in reguards to that i HAVE been trying out as many roms as i can and frankly im starting to forget which ones i tried and which ones i didnt try. I have found that some are just bad and people say to avoid them because most people have problems, thats more what i was hoping for with that statment.
I dont expect to have people do the work for me or try all the roms for me, and i know whats good for one person may not be good for another, im just... Overwhelmed by the abundance of options that are all apparently the same. Thats all.
To reiterate: THIS IS NOT A WHICH IS BEST thread, its a whats the difference thread, and im hoping to be pointed in the direction of which i might stay away from due to poor performance and which generally are the more accepted. But if even such generalities are pushing the rules too much we can omit that bit.
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Where in Canada are you located?
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Where in Canada are you located?
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Alberta, why?
pileot said:
Where can i learn about modding roms? Usually i find im doing the same things to the roms i download, remove bloatware, install apex, install my own calendar and other widgets... If im already removing the differences then why bother changing roms since they are the same?
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Just searching the forums, dude. I had to do all my own legwork learning how to decompile .apk files, how to then tweak/edit them, then recompile them... Along with how to use smali/baksmali. There are a bunch of tutorials out there in the Theme/App section, as well as the development sections.
Just start somewhat small; do some searches for "APK Edit" or "APK Manager". That should give you something to start with. Once you have a grasp of that, you'll find other stuff just ends up in your lap as a result.
Edit to add: as a result of what I've picked up, I've found I prefer Samsung stock firmwares that I tweak to my own liking over other ROMs.
Well back to the root question: Main difference between the many, many different versions of stock ICS. What kind of stuff do they change? Whats so different between WXLP7 and LPDFG, for instance?
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Alberta, why?
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I'm on the same device and live in bc and i'm on mugld3 modem, and it's pretty good for me
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Well back to the root question: Main difference between the many, many different versions of stock ICS. What kind of stuff do they change? Whats so different between WXLP7 and LPDFG, for instance?
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Unfortunately, Samsung doesn't publish changelogs. So the only way to know is to try them both out yourself...
Or I guess you could wait until someone who already has tried them both out and noted all the changes reads this post and responds.
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I'm on the same device and live in bc and i'm on mugld3 modem, and it's pretty good for me
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I think he was asking about the overall firmwares, and not specifically the modem.
I was kinda hoping for the latter since my unexperienced eye didnt notice anything doing the former.
Didnt know sammy didnt provide changelogs, that kind of sucks. Oh well, was worth a shot i guess.
Guess this thread wont go anywhere since theres no tangeable proof one way or the other of any differences. Thanks for the patience with me anyways XD
I know that generally speaking, opinion-threads aren't highly looked upon here.
That said, I am not asking, "What ROM is your favorite?" I am looking here to find a ROM that meets a certain set of criteria, and am finding it difficult to do so with the way that things are organized here.
These criteria, in order, are:
Stable
Quick
Good Battery Life
Featureful
So in other words, while I would love for it to have the most modern, high-end KitKat features available, I would not want to make big sacrifices to battery life for their sake. I would not want to make big sacrifices to the fluidity for battery life, and I would not want to make big sacrifices to the stability for speed.
So my question is: what ROMs meet these criteria best? Not what roms are the best -- what ROMs best meet these criteria?
De-bloated stock.
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De-bloated stock.
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Debloated stock what?
Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jellybean. Probably JB to have the latest drivers and memory management.
This is solely my personal opinion, I would recommend that you try out a couple ROMs and decide for yourself, but the two that I immediately was reminded of when I read your "criteria" is
Padawan JB V4
Sons of Android
I hope you find what you're looking for.
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Debloated stock what?
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In addition rooted of course, F-Droid and a framework to install various modules to add even more features.
P/S
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This is solely my personal opinion, I would recommend that you try out a couple ROMs and decide for yourself..
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See, this is the thing that I don't get: when I try to install a new ROM, it is a lengthy process with lots of bugs and quirks along the way, usually, and lots of time invested to actually get the ROM fully running. Transferring old apps, SMS, contacts, call logs, working out the bugs that you encounter along the way and then fine tuning the settings of the ROM... it takes many, many hours for me.
Hence usually once I go through all of that effort, the thought of throwing it all away and trying something else seems bafflingly overwhelming to me.
Am I missing something?
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See, this is the thing that I don't get: when I try to install a new ROM, it is a lengthy process with lots of bugs and quirks along the way, usually, and lots of time invested to actually get the ROM fully running. Transferring old apps, SMS, contacts, call logs, working out the bugs that you encounter along the way and then fine tuning the settings of the ROM... it takes many, many hours for me.
Hence usually once I go through all of that effort, the thought of throwing it all away and trying something else seems bafflingly overwhelming to me.
Am I missing something?
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Most of that is done for me once I put in my gmail account. Except for sms. As far as bugs, are you flashing clean, cause there really arent that many bugs, or at least nothing that sohould be a suprise.
When I try a new rom, I go to the last post and start reading backwards. This makes you aware of the most recent problems and if there is a fix. If its more than I want to deal with, I dont bother.
But I do understand, it can seem like such a chore......sometimes
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In my personal opinion the most stable, battery life for use dialy is the NOVENA and PADAWAN v8 using ICS
Sot this is not a "favorite rom?" or "which rom is best?" thread. I know those are frowned upon, because people are investing their energy into developing these ROMs here and we aren't here to judge their work.
Rather, I am looking to see which ROMs are best oriented towards a certain criteria - both in their goals and execution. That's not a subjective judgement; I am looking for objective design focuses, which I think is a valid question to ask.
My Note is my sole mobile device, and as such I am looking for:
Stability
Battery Life
Speed
UI Tweeks To Enhance Efficency (mulitasking, toggles, etc.)
Modern features (kit kat > jellybean > etc.)
Considering those priorities in that order, what ROM would you recommend?
Beanstalk
Liquidsmooth
PAC-Man
AOKP
CandyKat
Dirty Unicorns
Padawan
Something else?
Thanks!
I recommend you try them all, and see what works best on your device the way you like it setup!
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I recommend you try them all, and see what works best on your device the way you like it setup!
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The problem with that approach is that setting things up on my phone is never a simple or easy process. I always have a hellish time getting everything backed up, restored and setup again the way I want it... that is why I am asking for some guidance as to what ROM may best fit my needs as opposed to blindly flashing everything that moves.
My friend, you may not have any choice. Every device is going to run differently, and it sounds as if you already know that. The troubles and hassles we all face in setting up our phones is the burden we all bear, being flashaholics.
Truthfully, you cant have good without evil and this is not Burger King. You will have to sacrifice something. We just shoot for as many on our list as we can get. If that is the priority of your list, you may want to consider ICS. That would probably handle 4 of your 5.
You cant be in a hurry to satisfy your list. 440bro is correct, only you know what you can tolerate. Unfortunately you will have to tolerate setting up. Install and run for a week. You are not going to know how a rom is going to run in a couple hours.
Just suggestions......start with ICS.
So you dont set everything up???
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My friend, you may not have any choice. Every device is going to run differently, and it sounds as if you already know that. The troubles and hassles we all face in setting up our phones is the burden we all bear, being flashaholics.
Truthfully, you cant have good without evil and this is not Burger King. You will have to sacrifice something. We just shoot for as many on our list as we can get. If that is the priority of your list, you may want to consider ICS. That would probably handle 4 of your 5.
You cant be in a hurry to satisfy your list. 440bro is correct, only you know what you can tolerate. Unfortunately you will have to tolerate setting up. Install and run for a week. You are not going to know how a rom is going to run in a couple hours.
Just suggestions......start with ICS.
So you dont set everything up???
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Question: why go for ICS? Isn't that pretty dated at this point? Are the KK and even the JB builds all so buggy or power hungry that I need to reach back that far to get something stable & efficient?
Just going off your list....
KK seems to use more battery. Never found it buggy myself
The 2 Touchwiz based 4.1.2 are solid and dependable. Most complain about lag, but set up right my phone ran orgasmic.
ICS is going to give you best battery, rock solid , but may not have all the bells and whistles you want.
4.2.2 is just a random reboot nightmare for most.
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If you use speakerphone, I wouldn't use any rom above 4.1.2 (CM 10.0.0). Any other ROM has the speakerphone echo bug.
First let me introduce myself, my name is Jason. I just got my Note 3 (kinda late, i know). My phone is rooted, i know the basics of flashing. I want a fast de-bloted rom but still keeping the S-pen function, i love those functions.
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First let me introduce myself, my name is Jason. I just got my Note 3 (kinda late, i know). My phone is rooted, i know the basics of flashing. I want a fast de-bloted rom but still keeping the S-pen function, i love those functions.
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Welcome to XDA Developers, Jason!
I just wanted to let you know that it's kind of bad form to ask which ROM is the "best." A number of similar posts have been removed or locked. There are a myriad of reasons for this, I'll try to point out a few of them:
Varying Preferences of Users
There are so many ROM developers because they all have various priorities. While some focus primarily on debloated ROMs, others might want to fully "bling" their ROMs and bake-in as many features as they can. While most try to maximize battery life, some do so by sacrificing some functionality, while others use different methods (using aggressive CPU scaling, for instance).
ROMs are Updated Frequently
Most of these threads become outdated within a week or two, because ROMs update frequently. Sometimes they get better, sometimes they get worse.
Advertising ROMs can create in-fighting within the community
This is a community of people who like modifying their phones. Creating posts like this invariably pit people against each other. "This ROM I use is better than others." "No way! This one I like is better because of X, Y, and Z." These types of conversations can be productive to a community, but I've seen too many that end up becoming flame wars (I don't know why, either).
At the End of the Day, most ROMs are fairly close to each other in terms of quality
While some ROMs may be more stable than others, the members do a good job of reporting bugs and the Devs typically do a really good job of updating their ROMs for stability. So when it comes to picking a ROM, it comes down to more of your personal preferences (see note 1).
All that being said, I'd recommend looking through the Sprint Note 3 Developer Section, as it has all of the ROMs listed. Look for ROMs that are based on either NC5 or NH7, since those are the most-updated versions of TW. Within the first couple of posts, you'll typically find out some of their major features and whether or not they support S-Pen.
Hope this helps!
-Topher
I understand it a fighting question.
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