First let me introduce myself, my name is Jason. I just got my Note 3 (kinda late, i know). My phone is rooted, i know the basics of flashing. I want a fast de-bloted rom but still keeping the S-pen function, i love those functions.
Sent from my SM-N900P using XDA Free mobile app
J.Meadows said:
First let me introduce myself, my name is Jason. I just got my Note 3 (kinda late, i know). My phone is rooted, i know the basics of flashing. I want a fast de-bloted rom but still keeping the S-pen function, i love those functions.
Sent from my SM-N900P using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Welcome to XDA Developers, Jason!
I just wanted to let you know that it's kind of bad form to ask which ROM is the "best." A number of similar posts have been removed or locked. There are a myriad of reasons for this, I'll try to point out a few of them:
Varying Preferences of Users
There are so many ROM developers because they all have various priorities. While some focus primarily on debloated ROMs, others might want to fully "bling" their ROMs and bake-in as many features as they can. While most try to maximize battery life, some do so by sacrificing some functionality, while others use different methods (using aggressive CPU scaling, for instance).
ROMs are Updated Frequently
Most of these threads become outdated within a week or two, because ROMs update frequently. Sometimes they get better, sometimes they get worse.
Advertising ROMs can create in-fighting within the community
This is a community of people who like modifying their phones. Creating posts like this invariably pit people against each other. "This ROM I use is better than others." "No way! This one I like is better because of X, Y, and Z." These types of conversations can be productive to a community, but I've seen too many that end up becoming flame wars (I don't know why, either).
At the End of the Day, most ROMs are fairly close to each other in terms of quality
While some ROMs may be more stable than others, the members do a good job of reporting bugs and the Devs typically do a really good job of updating their ROMs for stability. So when it comes to picking a ROM, it comes down to more of your personal preferences (see note 1).
All that being said, I'd recommend looking through the Sprint Note 3 Developer Section, as it has all of the ROMs listed. Look for ROMs that are based on either NC5 or NH7, since those are the most-updated versions of TW. Within the first couple of posts, you'll typically find out some of their major features and whether or not they support S-Pen.
Hope this helps!
-Topher
I understand it a fighting question.
Sent from my SM-N900P using XDA Free mobile app
Related
[Discussion][Poll] Do you think we need "ROM Categories" for Gingerbread releases ?
Hi all, building upon a conversation started on this thread regarding the different Gingerbread ROMs that are being currently tested/released by our much appreciated developers, I'd like to start a discussion and poll to get your opinion about the need for "ROM Categories", that is, a small group (probably 3 or 4) of "Guidelines" so developers could focus their ROMs to target specific group of users or usage of the ROM, something like:
- Performance: Getting the most juice out of your phone and getting the best score for benchmarks, but perhaps with the sacrifice of stability and/or certain functions of the handset and battery life.
- Gamer: Focused on the best graphics and GPU performance for best results in games and graphics apps, but perhaps with the sacrifice of battery life.
- Stability: Stock-like ROMs that covers ALL the functions of the handset with the best battery life and stability, but with the added value of certain tweaks that gives you that "something extra" to justify rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM so you can enjoy those (I pretty much fall into this category)
(Those are just the few that comes to my mind, I think that if this proposal actually goes through the actual categories should be agreed on by the community)
I base this proposal on the following:
1.-) I've been testing many ROMs over the last few days and I've noticed that even though there's been many developers that have released custom ROMs over the last few months, only handful of them (those guys that we all know and love) have kept working on refining their work as the different Android versions had passed by, so at this point (with the official release of Gingerbread for the P500) I think it would be possible that developers could work together and focus their work with specific goals, like having a well polished ROM for each category and keep developing those. The idea is not to pretend that developers wouldn't have freedom to do their work exactly as they want to, essentially because they are doing this because they enjoy it, not because we're hiring them to do it. What I mean is that if developers "categorize" their ROMs then either themselves (or new developers) could easily spot what categories are being underdeveloped, and make the decision like "hey... nobody is doing anything for "X" category, so I'm going to do something about it". At this point they could agree to either work together for specific goals, or work individually knowing that one of them is working on fulfilling the need on a specific category.
2.-) As far as I can tell Gingerbread 2.3 is the last official version that LG is going to release for the P500 line, so I believe that once developers get to stabilize their custom versions of it (ROMs and Kernel) the P500 community will start to fade away as we all (developers and users) start to move on the newer handsets, so I guess that probably the best legacy that we can all leave for this community would be a handful of custom ROMs that we could keep using on our phones depending on the type of use that we give to it, until it's time to move on to another handset.
3.-) Having specific categories could help a lot when it comes to testing (and gathering results of those tests), essentially because most of us on the "user side" would surely focus their testing upon the way that they use their handsets, and that would translate on more people doing the testing for a handful of ROMs, instead of everyone testing everything (which usually translates into nobody testing anything).
Well I guess that's enough to make my point, the rest is up to you all to either vote and give some comments here or just say: "Hey n00b, what the #(=$/# your're talking about dude!!!" LOL, don't worry I can live with that
We should definitely have this.
Sent from my LG-P509 (Optimus T) with Void Gear using XDA App
Well actually we do have a thread like this. The repository sticky on dev subforum. It has all the roms, kernels, guides, mods etc sorted nicely with short and informative descriptions ( Repository ) and since ciaox started to maintain the thread it is always up to date with the latest stuff. If you got any suggestions or something for repository to become better you could just post it there.
We dont allow "whats the best rom?" or "tell me what to run next" threads as it becomes a popularity contest because every phone is different, so you need to try them all and see what you like and what runs best for you.
There are already several threads about which roms and kernels people are running, perhaps that may give you a clue... but you need to try them out on your phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I get that, and wasn't intending to do something that wasn't allowed...
So, allow me to take it in a new direction, please -
With plenty of AT&T i777's out there, why do people seem to get different results by seemingly doing the same thing? You say try it on my phone, and I'd hazard a guess that many have done what I did, yet I saw very few people with the same problems. What are the possible variances?
This is general not question and answer...
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
Thanks... I'm still feeling my way around here... obviously. Guess I gotta figure out how the forums work before I can learn how to make my phone work better.
Apology accepted.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using premium space-age technology and tiny invisible lasers
mdaudioguy said:
Yeah, I get that, and wasn't intending to do something that wasn't allowed...
So, allow me to take it in a new direction, please -
With plenty of AT&T i777's out there, why do people seem to get different results by seemingly doing the same thing? You say try it on my phone, and I'd hazard a guess that many have done what I did, yet I saw very few people with the same problems. What are the possible variances?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's about 20 different things that can vary, not counting user's perspective.
ryude said:
There's about 20 different things that can vary, not counting user's perspective.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For instance, whether you're in space, or underwater really determines which kernel or ROM works for you. Some people around here say the real place everything varies is on an isolated island with no food or water, just ice skates and a volleyball and your phone with whatever ROM + kernel combo you're using.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using smoke signals
Wiilllssooonnn!!!!
Sent from my SGH-I777 using xda premium
Lol
Many things differ. Im far too intoxicated to go in depth, but download a few roms yourself and inspect them. Compare them together and read their logs. You'll really learn a lot by researching in depth.
Different ROMS run differently on every phone. you've gotta find the one that just 'feels' right.
Hope that somewhat answered your question lol
Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk
I suppose there might be differences depending on what batch your phone was made in. If you look in certain threads, a majority of users might have no problems while a couple have major problems. One time, everyone was having issues with a certain patch, but I found it to run absolutely perfect on my phone.
It's like the battery threads where everyone compares their stock battery. Some people get better batteries than the average, and some get worse batteries.
I try ROMs until I find one that works well for me; I then stick with it until I get bored again.
You will also find that some modem/radios work better in different parts of the country. Also, different kennels may be set up to handle different loads & tasks, meaning that the apps you like to run may play better with kernel "A", but with my setup I might get better performance with kernel "B". People use their phones in vastly different ways, hence, the different user experience.
Example, my wife and I both have this phone but with different ROMS. I put the same kernel on both phones though because i was getting great battery life with it. However, she's not getting near the screen-on time I am because she uses it much differently than i do...she's a chick...Facebook is the devil. Hope this helps some. Just have fun, that's part of the Android experience.
Jank4AU said:
You will also find that some modem/radios work better in different parts of the country. Also, different kennels may be set up to handle different loads & tasks, meaning that the apps you like to run may play better with kernel "A", but with my setup I might get better performance with kernel "B". People use their phones in vastly different ways, hence, the different user experience.
Example, my wife and I both have this phone but with different ROMS. I put the same kernel on both phones though because i was getting great battery life with it. However, she's not getting near the screen-on time I am because she uses it much differently than i do...she's a chick...Facebook is the devil. Hope this helps some. Just have fun, that's part of the Android experience.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DITTO! That's hit the nail on the head. All ROMs are different from each other. Even the ones that the same team make (persay) with 2 different versions of the ROM (based on my experience with other phone ROMs). What you will use will depends on which ROM you will select in the long run. For the best performance, battery life, etc... You'll have to decide what you wants out of the ROM then select the one that can handle the tasks that you do.
Just like a personal computer, you could take two identical PCs and depending on the user apps installed and the customizations made by the users they will not perform identically. They will still look the same, but one may not be configured the way the other user prefers it. As the PCs get more use they will change based on user input and configuration. These phones are much the same. A ROM is a very personal choice and while it may look the same on two phones, the way it works is highly dependant upon how the user sets it up, how the use interacts with it, and what apps the user installs. That's why there really is no best ROM, only the ROM that best suits you. Finding it, unfortunately, rquires some personal trial and error to see what works best. No one can tell you what will work best for you.
As it says in the title. I want to use an aftermarket ROM like Cyanogen or even just an AOSP, but I don't want to lose support for the S-Pen. Can anyone recommend a good ROM? I keep getting the OTA notice from Verizon, but since my phone is rooted and I have a TWRP boot loader I can't update.
There are apps in the market that add spen support to all ROMs. I personally have tried a few non TW ROMs and found them lacking. But thats just me.
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium HD app
Got any recommendations? I would like something that's quick and not bloated with excess apps. With my previous phones, mostly moto droids, I was a fan of the AOSP ROMs because of their simplicity and speed.
Please let's not turn this into a best rom thread.
Recommendations of roms end up in arguments. Thanks
Naddict said:
Please let's not turn this into a best rom thread.
Recommendations of roms end up in arguments. Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow so you're telling me that the people on this forum can't even handle a simple recommendation request without turning into 5 year olds on the play ground? That's pretty pathtic. So how would you recommend I go about getting a relative idea of which ROMs are worth looking at without spending time I don't have flashing every one of them to my phone? Let's at least give people the benefit of the doubt before treating them like kindergarteners.
naviathan said:
Wow so you're telling me that the people on this forum can't even handle a simple recommendation request without turning into 5 year olds on the play ground? That's pretty pathtic. So how would you recommend I go about getting a relative idea of which ROMs are worth looking at without spending time I don't have flashing every one of them to my phone? Let's at least give people the benefit of the doubt before treating them like kindergarteners.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Read threads instead of creating new ones
Sent from my SCH-I605 using xda app-developers app
I'm remembering what made me stop coming to XDA in the first place. You people are assholes. Don't you think I did search? I found one thread related to ROMs and the S-Pen and it was unclear whether it was working in all ROMs or just certain ones. I still have no clue what apps enable the pen and thanks to the over the top moderators that act like the gestapo I can't even get a recommendation on what ROM to try. Forums are suppose to be here to help people. If you're tired of answering the same questions, don't. Just ignore them and move on. Someone who's more willing to be helpful will eventually answer it. We don't need your unhelpful snarky remarks to remind us how a forum works.
I notice quite a lot of rom threads are being closed...
only a few are being updates while lots were lasted update near the beginning of the month...
Lol.. There are too many roms already and almost all of them are very stable. So why do we need nightly/weekly updates if we have something like pure nexus or chroma running solid? Custom roms will live forever especially for nexus devices.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
Another one was added today. I'm patiently waiting to see if pure nexus appears with cmte. Its in the works.I hear
No end in sight! This is XDA ftw!
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
Soulfly3 said:
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
Ref
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/42v96a/cataclysm_threads_closed_by_mods/
The community legit doesn't deserve for him to continue.
His threads would literally make me sick the way ppl treated him. The way they DEMANDED alterations as opposed to asking. The way they asked over and over, despite his firm NO.
I'm gonna miss the hell out of his ROMs. The best. If some major changes happen, maybe Ill move to Pure Nexus, but for now... and a long while... I think the latest Cata mod will be on my phone.
This community truly sucks, sometimes
This has definitely been true for non-Nexus phones. I was big into LG phones, I had the G2, G3, and G4 (all on Verizon). The G2 had tons of development, both stock and AOSP ROMs, and the G3 was similar but noticeably less. The G4 has been non-existent. I remember the days when virtually all phones were rooted and unlocked by devs, with lots of custom ROMs, but this seems to be going away very quickly. Now it's likely if you buy a non-Nexus device, it won't get root at all, let alone custom ROMs.
Looking at the 6P development, I see what you're talking about. Lots of ROMs that started when the phone came out have ceased getting updates, and you only have a handful of solid ROMs to choose from.
I wouldn't be surprised if custom roms are a dying breed. IMHO part of it is that Android is slowly moving towards getting the basic feature set and UI tweaks that people want, and more manufacturers are trimming down their bloated UI's (some exceptions obv, unnamed). But also --- this may sound cynical, but just from my own observation: Many of these enthusiast-worked/powered/funded projects are far too often met with self-entitled users (in the very literal sense of the word) who think their use of the rom/software/art/w/e entitles them to complain endlessly about every little thing and every minute lack of an update (or desired/demanded feature) for what is usually a free or donationware product. Not to mention the people who are too careless/hasty to follow instructions and end up bricking their devices, only to blame the devs and spew a bunch of vitriol. I don't blame anyone who quits at all.
republicano said:
You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
Ref
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/42v96a/cataclysm_threads_closed_by_mods/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's one breathe taking letter! Wish him the best and this Developer will be missed by XDA...
I love custom ROMs!!! I remember when I unlocked my first smart phone the first evo and I found the perfect stable ROM for it...now every time I get a new phone I find myself searching for a ROM I think it makes whatever handset you're using perfect. Thank you to everyone that takes the time to develop
the past roms I used, have not closed down.. Cataclysm was the second rom I used and liked...
I try not to use any roms that are CM based.. lol.. not sure why... I like the AOSP based roms better...
XDA has been going downhill for years now. Seen some amazing devs and funny members just up and leave over the years for this very reason.
Sent from my LG-H815 using XDA Free mobile app
Every ROM will meet its end some time... Beanstalk disappeared. Avatar halted. AOKP is no longer active. ParanoidAndroid and PACman had gone big in form but small in functionality and usefulness. Even CM, with Google incorporating more and more changes into each new Android version and limiting features these ROMs can touch, might die out someday.
Sent from Google Nexus 6P @ CM13
[WARNING: XDA One have not implemented "mark forum as read" - do not use]
Yeah some people here do not understand devs do this in there free time, for fun theycowe you nothing and you are very privileged to be getting such incredible free software. This upsets a lot if devs and makes them leave the community.
I stopped publishing my own approach of a ROM after I got rid of my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and moved on to Nexus devices. I'm happy with a customised Stock based ROM which suits me well. I'm not sure if anybody else would be interested in it since the Nexus forums offer a great number of custom ROMs, some of which are filled with extra stuff. I can somehow understand the guys who stop publishing their work. I never asked for donations, in fact I don't have a PayPal account linked to my profile Maintaining a ROM is a huge effort, especially if you're on your own and not part of a team.
ROMs are no longer needed plain and simple. Back in the hay days of ROMs, Galaxy S2 and 3, HTC EVO, ROMs were a necessity considering how badly optimized phones were back then.. running great software with horrible specs. Developers made the phone a lot better... I still remember the days of running Viper ROM on my samsung epic on the Sprint network.. those were the days.
Fast forward today I'm going on two years without flashing a ROM and reality is I see no need for it.
I pose a question to the great Nexus community, what's the purpose of flashing ROMs when the device runs perfect out the box?
Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk
Root is a must for me since it allows you to get rid of some unwanted Google Apps (eg Google+, Google Play Games etc), use a Adblocker and special Apps like eg Titanium Backup or LMT
Custom roms, with the exception of a select few, have always been highly overrated imo. Most of them take software that is already created, debloat it (which we can do ourselves) and add some features that anyone can get through xposed, etc.
I used to always laugh when people would jump in a rom thread with outrageous claims like their battery life doubled, it's 100x smoother than stock, etc. Placebo effect runs high on custom roms imo.
With that being said, I've flashed just as many roms as most of you. I still see the value in some of them.
But as other people have said, it's just not as necessary anymore. As long as you can root, you can debloat, add xposed if you wanted, etc.
Doesn't seem to make as big of a difference as before.
Yeah it's not how it used to be and that probably for the better, most anything you could want can be done through Xposed and a custom kernel. While most custom roms are more stable than they were in the early days(seems to have more to do with a more stable aosp), there isn't much incentive and there are often still bugs. It's not because devs are bad at what they do, but building a stable rom requires a team of people and testing environments that people just don't have at home. Early in the days of windows mobile and Android roms were very poorly optimised out of the box, but it'd not really like that anymore.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
Ps; If mods think it needs to be moved in another section I would be grateful. Thanks again.
Omicron Technics
You've posted in the wrong section.
I think it's a good idea! Thought of something like that myself a few days ago. So far I've tried pure unofficial CM13 and Temaseks Custom CM13, apart from stock OOS, of course. Liked the pure one a little better due to better stability and lesser, but also less incremental updates. That's my two cents. What's your experience?
sniper20 said:
We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
Ps; If mods think it needs to be moved in another section I would be grateful. Thanks again.
Omicron Technics
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was thinking about Candy 6, maybe I'll roll it back!
@sniper20 You are right. But Please PM Mike Channon to move this thread to the Gernal Section.
Sent from my Moto G 2014 using Tapatalk
rohitporoli said:
I was thinking about Candy 6, maybe I'll roll it back!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DON'T ROLL BACK!!
This is ONLY OP's opinion.
Majority are WAITING for custom ROMs as far as I know.
sniper20 said:
We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, there are many custom roms with issues, but they are basically all based on the same custom CM rom - which means that once we solve an issue there, it will also be fixed on the custom roms.
For now I think: more custom roms = more users = more feedback = less issues in the long term.
Having a feature database would be great, but people have way too different requests/expectations from roms, that would not really work.
We need to have more custom roms so that we stick to this lovely service for a long time.. It's a nature of human being too desire more rather than sticking for one thing
I agree, the claim of "too many roms" might be exaggerated. The underlying notion of a database listing all the ROMs at our disposal with their objective feature sets plus maybe things like current versions, links, bugs and quirks and benchmark scores plus personal experience with them concerning day-to-day performance and battery life would be a great thing, wouldn't it? New users would get a hub with essential information to get into finding and flashing the ROM most suited for them quickly, while senior users would have the overview of new developments of their favorite ROMs. For me, that sounds great. I hope the OP did not want to imply limitations of ROMs would be the way to go. Competition makes for some nice developments.
I had the same problem choosing a ROM. features are all described in their own threads. but it's a lot to read and hard to decide which one is right for you.
maybe something like categories could be made. like: Resurrection ROM is feature heavy and only for power users, CrDroid is in the middle and CM is just basic without extra features....
someone would have to make a list like that.
Agreed.
Quality>quantity.
All the ROMs have a very minor bug, but most of them were cleared and being cleared. But now the ROM I really miss in OnePlus X is MIUI. But yes We have CM13 which is awesome in every aspect.
I myself tried porting miui to opx but stuck with mi logo and have no idea how to Clear this. I hope Our beloved OnePlus X devs are trying to make one.
Biggest issue is you have a solid Rom working for you and you feel the need to flash every update. I was that guy for a while. If your Rom is working great don't update unless it's next month's security patch or some major feature added in you must try.
as for me: choose rom with ota stable & feel free
What intrigues me the most is not the many custom roms available, but the same devs compiling/maintaining 3 or 4 roms at the same time. That ends up in not getting enough time to deal with bugs imo...i never saw such thing (the same dev having 3 or 4 roms at the same time) with any other device I had previously, only the opx. Sometimes the same dev maintains a rom for other devices(like sultans cm13 for our opx and another device that dev has for example), but not different roms. At least I never saw it happen on my previous devices