We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
Ps; If mods think it needs to be moved in another section I would be grateful. Thanks again.
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You've posted in the wrong section.
I think it's a good idea! Thought of something like that myself a few days ago. So far I've tried pure unofficial CM13 and Temaseks Custom CM13, apart from stock OOS, of course. Liked the pure one a little better due to better stability and lesser, but also less incremental updates. That's my two cents. What's your experience?
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We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
Ps; If mods think it needs to be moved in another section I would be grateful. Thanks again.
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I was thinking about Candy 6, maybe I'll roll it back!
@sniper20 You are right. But Please PM Mike Channon to move this thread to the Gernal Section.
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I was thinking about Candy 6, maybe I'll roll it back!
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DON'T ROLL BACK!!
This is ONLY OP's opinion.
Majority are WAITING for custom ROMs as far as I know.
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We have too many custom roms for onyx. That's a good and bad thing the same time. It's a good thing because we have many good developers who create special roms from there personal time giving us great diversity but at the same time we have many buggy or constantly updating roms in very small incremental steps. I think it would be a good idea if we users could create some kind of feature database with all the various roms and the most important, how they stack up to each other from features /steadiness, battery stamina point of view. I don't know if it's a good idea koritsi even doable) but it is a thought I had for a long time because I encountered the same problem when I wanted to choose between various roms. What do we think about that?? Thanks for taking the time and reading / contributing in the topic.
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Yes, there are many custom roms with issues, but they are basically all based on the same custom CM rom - which means that once we solve an issue there, it will also be fixed on the custom roms.
For now I think: more custom roms = more users = more feedback = less issues in the long term.
Having a feature database would be great, but people have way too different requests/expectations from roms, that would not really work.
We need to have more custom roms so that we stick to this lovely service for a long time.. It's a nature of human being too desire more rather than sticking for one thing
I agree, the claim of "too many roms" might be exaggerated. The underlying notion of a database listing all the ROMs at our disposal with their objective feature sets plus maybe things like current versions, links, bugs and quirks and benchmark scores plus personal experience with them concerning day-to-day performance and battery life would be a great thing, wouldn't it? New users would get a hub with essential information to get into finding and flashing the ROM most suited for them quickly, while senior users would have the overview of new developments of their favorite ROMs. For me, that sounds great. I hope the OP did not want to imply limitations of ROMs would be the way to go. Competition makes for some nice developments.
I had the same problem choosing a ROM. features are all described in their own threads. but it's a lot to read and hard to decide which one is right for you.
maybe something like categories could be made. like: Resurrection ROM is feature heavy and only for power users, CrDroid is in the middle and CM is just basic without extra features....
someone would have to make a list like that.
Agreed.
Quality>quantity.
All the ROMs have a very minor bug, but most of them were cleared and being cleared. But now the ROM I really miss in OnePlus X is MIUI. But yes We have CM13 which is awesome in every aspect.
I myself tried porting miui to opx but stuck with mi logo and have no idea how to Clear this. I hope Our beloved OnePlus X devs are trying to make one.
Biggest issue is you have a solid Rom working for you and you feel the need to flash every update. I was that guy for a while. If your Rom is working great don't update unless it's next month's security patch or some major feature added in you must try.
as for me: choose rom with ota stable & feel free
What intrigues me the most is not the many custom roms available, but the same devs compiling/maintaining 3 or 4 roms at the same time. That ends up in not getting enough time to deal with bugs imo...i never saw such thing (the same dev having 3 or 4 roms at the same time) with any other device I had previously, only the opx. Sometimes the same dev maintains a rom for other devices(like sultans cm13 for our opx and another device that dev has for example), but not different roms. At least I never saw it happen on my previous devices
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I am a long time ROMer, mainly sticking to MIUI, as I like the interface. I like to try and test many ROMs, as I'm sure many people here do.
I am finding it very frustrating that every release seems to have some critical flaw. I tell myself not to worry, that the next release will fix it, and usually it does. And brings in a new bug. Every release seems to fix something and break something else. Things that are most often broken:
- Call recording only records one side of the conversation
- WiFi tethering
- Camera issues
- Theme handling
I used to use Galnet for a while, as he paid a lot of attention to stability and bug fixing rather than inclusion of bleeding edge kernels or untested mod packages. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find another ROM cook like that since he left the scene. MIUI.us is my current ROM of choice, but they seem to be more a loosely knit group some of whom care about stability, others care more about givning you an AROMA installer that allows you to choose between half a dozen 0-day kernels, none of which have much field testing.
Is it really that hard to fix all of these things all at once? Is ROM cooking really that much of a totally random game of whack-a-mole? Are there any ROM devs out there that actually pay attention to basic functionality and stability of the system rather than switching to some new, bleeding edge kernel package that came out 27 seconds ago and therefore must be included right now?
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Is it really that hard to fix all of these things all at once? Is ROM cooking really that much of a totally random game of whack-a-mole?
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NOPE. It is easy. and you have my personal permission (I think that most devs would agree with me) to cook the ROM with the properties you want, as well as fixes.
No one wants to argue with you, and anyone is accepting your position that it is so easy.
Therefore - do it for yourself:fingers-crossed:
Samsung doesn't release all source codes for the hardware. To develop the whole thing from scratch, you'd probably have to write codes again for these, as the original code would only work with other Sammy-based codes. It's kinda difficult expecting it to work first time round when you're building from scratch.. At least this is my guess.
MIUI is based in CM, so would include any bugs that CM has. If you want stability, use one of the Sammy custom roms.
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NOPE. It is easy. and you have my personal permission (I think that most devs would agree with me) to cook the ROM with the properties you want, as well as fixes.
No one wants to argue with you, and anyone is accepting your position that it is so easy.
Therefore - do it for yourself:fingers-crossed:
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So what you're saying is that it is easy, but nobody has done it because I'm the only one that wants a working, stable phone.
Are you serious, or on drugs?
Dude devs put a lot of hours and hard work into making custom ROMS, they don't get paid (apart from donations) and when someone comes along and says these things it is very disrespectful.
I'm sure these bugs annoy the devs a lot more than they annoy you!
If you want a perfect, stable, super ROM then make one.
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So what you're saying is that it is easy, but nobody has done it because I'm the only one that wants a working, stable phone.
Are you serious, or on drugs?
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YOU have stated that it is EASY. YOU need the changes you mentioned.
So, if it is so easy, but you do not want to do it - using your friendly wording:
are you too stupid or too lazy?
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Fingerprint sensor and laser auto focus , can you please add those?
Yes thats only stopping me from flashing roms
I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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Nevermind,I updated the first post with the bug list so the users can take a look at the bugs in the original CM12.1 thread.
I agree to what @LiquidSolstice said.It's not a big deal to build a bunch of ROMs and post them over the development forum.Maintaining them are difficult. It would've been much better if you maintain a single ROM and work with it.Now you have like 3-4 WIP ROMs without proper testing and it seems like you doesn't own the device
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Sorry if I'm being a douchebag
I maintain all of my ROMs thoroughly.I still say,maintaining is NOT an issue for me.I give out the ROMs to the testers,they test the ROM and report me back with their issues/bugs (if any).I've been building ROMs since 5 months and I like sharing my work with all the people.Yeah,sure thing,anyone can take a look at the ROM building guides out there and make builds and post here,just like me.I've been working on other development projects too (other than building ROMs) but they're not ready yet.You see,interacting with other developers and tech people increases your morale and confidence to do pull yourself deep into the core of the stuff you're working on.For some other guys,I'm just a douchebag who got a good PC with some decent specs and builds all day.Yeah,hell yeah I'm a noob with little development skills,but I'm learning stuff day by day,incorporating and applying that knowledge into my development.I try to maintain all my projects so the users don't get disappointed.I don't have enough money to buy a server so I got a decent PC and start building on it.My only motive is to spread my projects all across the XDA,sharing stuff with people makes me happy.It's just a start,I'm reaching out to the most valuable and efficient developers here in XDA so that I can gain more knowledge.Ofcourse,I am not the greatest dev here but I want to become like one of them.Even though I might be the sh*ttiest maintainer in this whole XDA,but I try to maintain all of my ROMs so that the users don't get disappointed.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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I respect your opinion but I'd still consider it my way,expanding my base and providing more support of ROMs to the community.I just wanna make sure that nobody makes a buzz about me maintaining multiple ROMs while I build on my little machine.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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Sooo.. hold on... OP is a copycat and the HW features of the phone are not working ?
Thanks for being supportive to everyone who used my ROMs.Appreciate it!
Thread closed per OP request.
I notice quite a lot of rom threads are being closed...
only a few are being updates while lots were lasted update near the beginning of the month...
Lol.. There are too many roms already and almost all of them are very stable. So why do we need nightly/weekly updates if we have something like pure nexus or chroma running solid? Custom roms will live forever especially for nexus devices.
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Another one was added today. I'm patiently waiting to see if pure nexus appears with cmte. Its in the works.I hear
No end in sight! This is XDA ftw!
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
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Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/42v96a/cataclysm_threads_closed_by_mods/
The community legit doesn't deserve for him to continue.
His threads would literally make me sick the way ppl treated him. The way they DEMANDED alterations as opposed to asking. The way they asked over and over, despite his firm NO.
I'm gonna miss the hell out of his ROMs. The best. If some major changes happen, maybe Ill move to Pure Nexus, but for now... and a long while... I think the latest Cata mod will be on my phone.
This community truly sucks, sometimes
This has definitely been true for non-Nexus phones. I was big into LG phones, I had the G2, G3, and G4 (all on Verizon). The G2 had tons of development, both stock and AOSP ROMs, and the G3 was similar but noticeably less. The G4 has been non-existent. I remember the days when virtually all phones were rooted and unlocked by devs, with lots of custom ROMs, but this seems to be going away very quickly. Now it's likely if you buy a non-Nexus device, it won't get root at all, let alone custom ROMs.
Looking at the 6P development, I see what you're talking about. Lots of ROMs that started when the phone came out have ceased getting updates, and you only have a handful of solid ROMs to choose from.
I wouldn't be surprised if custom roms are a dying breed. IMHO part of it is that Android is slowly moving towards getting the basic feature set and UI tweaks that people want, and more manufacturers are trimming down their bloated UI's (some exceptions obv, unnamed). But also --- this may sound cynical, but just from my own observation: Many of these enthusiast-worked/powered/funded projects are far too often met with self-entitled users (in the very literal sense of the word) who think their use of the rom/software/art/w/e entitles them to complain endlessly about every little thing and every minute lack of an update (or desired/demanded feature) for what is usually a free or donationware product. Not to mention the people who are too careless/hasty to follow instructions and end up bricking their devices, only to blame the devs and spew a bunch of vitriol. I don't blame anyone who quits at all.
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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That's one breathe taking letter! Wish him the best and this Developer will be missed by XDA...
I love custom ROMs!!! I remember when I unlocked my first smart phone the first evo and I found the perfect stable ROM for it...now every time I get a new phone I find myself searching for a ROM I think it makes whatever handset you're using perfect. Thank you to everyone that takes the time to develop
the past roms I used, have not closed down.. Cataclysm was the second rom I used and liked...
I try not to use any roms that are CM based.. lol.. not sure why... I like the AOSP based roms better...
XDA has been going downhill for years now. Seen some amazing devs and funny members just up and leave over the years for this very reason.
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Every ROM will meet its end some time... Beanstalk disappeared. Avatar halted. AOKP is no longer active. ParanoidAndroid and PACman had gone big in form but small in functionality and usefulness. Even CM, with Google incorporating more and more changes into each new Android version and limiting features these ROMs can touch, might die out someday.
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Yeah some people here do not understand devs do this in there free time, for fun theycowe you nothing and you are very privileged to be getting such incredible free software. This upsets a lot if devs and makes them leave the community.
I stopped publishing my own approach of a ROM after I got rid of my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and moved on to Nexus devices. I'm happy with a customised Stock based ROM which suits me well. I'm not sure if anybody else would be interested in it since the Nexus forums offer a great number of custom ROMs, some of which are filled with extra stuff. I can somehow understand the guys who stop publishing their work. I never asked for donations, in fact I don't have a PayPal account linked to my profile Maintaining a ROM is a huge effort, especially if you're on your own and not part of a team.
ROMs are no longer needed plain and simple. Back in the hay days of ROMs, Galaxy S2 and 3, HTC EVO, ROMs were a necessity considering how badly optimized phones were back then.. running great software with horrible specs. Developers made the phone a lot better... I still remember the days of running Viper ROM on my samsung epic on the Sprint network.. those were the days.
Fast forward today I'm going on two years without flashing a ROM and reality is I see no need for it.
I pose a question to the great Nexus community, what's the purpose of flashing ROMs when the device runs perfect out the box?
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Root is a must for me since it allows you to get rid of some unwanted Google Apps (eg Google+, Google Play Games etc), use a Adblocker and special Apps like eg Titanium Backup or LMT
Custom roms, with the exception of a select few, have always been highly overrated imo. Most of them take software that is already created, debloat it (which we can do ourselves) and add some features that anyone can get through xposed, etc.
I used to always laugh when people would jump in a rom thread with outrageous claims like their battery life doubled, it's 100x smoother than stock, etc. Placebo effect runs high on custom roms imo.
With that being said, I've flashed just as many roms as most of you. I still see the value in some of them.
But as other people have said, it's just not as necessary anymore. As long as you can root, you can debloat, add xposed if you wanted, etc.
Doesn't seem to make as big of a difference as before.
Yeah it's not how it used to be and that probably for the better, most anything you could want can be done through Xposed and a custom kernel. While most custom roms are more stable than they were in the early days(seems to have more to do with a more stable aosp), there isn't much incentive and there are often still bugs. It's not because devs are bad at what they do, but building a stable rom requires a team of people and testing environments that people just don't have at home. Early in the days of windows mobile and Android roms were very poorly optimised out of the box, but it'd not really like that anymore.
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Release kernel source so we can update here status about development
Without Source Code, it's almost Impossible to Make Stable Custom ROMS, And Thus Santoni is getting a Delay in every aspect.
I am new to Xiaomi community. But the thing is I love exploring new tech stuff. I find this community in xda very helpful for the likes of me. I love exploring android stuff, like flashing custom roms, kernels, and stuff. It is also a challenge to me because I am new to MIUI environment. Wish me luck. Happy flashing.
Official source code is released now, coming from a Galaxy S3 and a HTC 10 is a bit disappointing seeing the development scene, Galaxy S3 had a kernel being maintained 5 years (Boeffla Kernel) yet I've seen too many developers ending their project very fast here, yet again the Galaxy S3 community is (or was) way bigger.. I'd love to use a plain and stable AOSP ROM that's maintained often but unfortunately I don't see that on Redmi 4X, so I'm just using a tweaked MIUI and Gabriel kernel which subjectively for me is the best; responsive developer, most customizeable (it has its own Stweaks!), and overall still maintained although slow recently
(No paid shill)
I am looking forward to trying some of the Lineage OS cooked ROMs. The MIUI Stock is kind of sluggish.
I've tried several AOSP based ROMs for about 6 months on this device and I can give my two cents about the development scene.
Mind that, of course, it's all volunteer work and I'm not bashing anyone. I'm just telling my experience as an end user.
1) Lately, most Santoni developers migrated their ROMs to Treble only. This means a couple of things.
- Instead of continuing to use official TWRP and plain Magisk, you'll now have to use an unofficial recovery (because TWRP official doesn't support treble for our device) and a modded version of Magisk.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather put something signed by a recognized developer on my phone, such as the people from TWRP and the Magisk dev, than a random "modded" ZIP from the web. Not only for security, but because it is less prone to bugs. Agree with me?
Yet, the former is now the installation process for most Santoni ROMs.
- If you were lucky enough to use one of those ROMs before the Treble migration, you now have to nuke everything on your phone just to update your system to the Treble version. Fun, right?
You found THE ROM for your phone, and now you're nuking everything again.
- Despite the above mess, I can't say any advantage of using Treble on this device, besides being able to flash GSIs. But flashing GSI means you didn't bother with the original ROM anyway. So why are most ROMs Treble only? It seems just a trendy thing with more inconveniences than benefits for our device.
- Also, some people report the treble ROMs are more buggy. Lose-lose situation?
2) Right now we have many ROMs for Santoni. But when you go choose, you see that many are abandoned and most of the rest are Treble, with the "hacky" installation method.
3) On that mess, you may still find a ROM that suits you and your Santoni. You'll settle, adapt to its bugs or even find some workarounds. Great, right? But after a couple of months the developer can (and most will) completely abandon it, leaving you having to find another ROM to keep updated.
Or he won't abandon it, but he'll decide to switch to Treble only. Oh boy.
So there you go, nuke your whole phone again and start from zero.
Both situations happened even to ROMs with official status.
4) Many ROMs updates will come with the suggestion of "clean flashing". Now, I know this isn't strictly necessary, but in some situations dirty flashing can really cause bugs.
So, good luck reinstalling everything just to update your system. Even with some tool such as TitaniumBackup, it's a tedious process. Even more when you're expected to do it every few weeks.
5) Many ROMs have an erratic update schedule. On Monday the dev ships an update, and you flash it. But on Tuesday he sees he screwed everything because of not testing properly before shipping, and there you are, having to flash a new update. (I hope you didn't do a clean flash yesterday!)
Even when the updates aren't so close to each other, most ROMs have an almost random release schedule.
6) Now this I think is not exclusive to this device, but most ROMs won't notify you when there is an update. You'll have to keep an eye on a Telegram channel or here in the forum, as if you didn't have a life.
Even when they notify you, the update process is manual.
7) There are some bugs I always find on most Santoni Oreo ROMs and after half a year they are still there.
For example, I found video recording to be terrible in every custom ROM I've tried (I've tried most). Bad auto-focus, bad audio, etc. It doesn't matter which camera app you use. Yet it is still there.
Also, voice recording can be extremely quiet on some ROMs (luckly I've found a way to fix it).
Not to mention the battery drain, present everywhere (for which I only found a workaround - not a solution).
So the impression is that the effort is going to the trendy things (Treble) instead of fixing the existing bugs. The months pass and we have the same bugs, or even new ones.
8) Feedback about bug reporting can be non-existent or dismissive.
You report the problem and some developers won't bother. Others will say the problem doesn't even exist.
In a nutshell, there are many AOSP based ROMs for Santoni, but the development isn't as reliable as it could be. The general feeling is that it's too erratic and amateurish. Old bugs are not solved; new ones are introduced; the installation process is made worse for no apparent reason; you are forced to lose many hours reconfiguring your device just to keep it up to date. Also, I have seen no intention to mimic/pre-load some features we have on MIUI.
However, despite all the negatives points I offered, I can't compare the dev scene to other devices. Does Santoni has a better dev scene than some other phones? Probably.
For me, right now, I don't find those ROMs to be worth it. Life is short, and I'm back to MIUI. I'm using Xiaomi.eu, and I'm very pleased in comparison.
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Every single ROM contains bugs, and/or different kinds of bugs, newer or older or same. Or if there are no bugs, there are issues. Someone posted up, also included.
Giving major features example: about battery backup, most/all custom ROMs has cutoff voltage(poweroff at set mV, aprox.) set to 3200mV, but in MIUI it's set to 3400mV. This makes huge differences in battery backup and health,(though it's changeable) and one of the reasons why custom ROMs are known to have much better battery life. Many many ROMs, but in stability, none. There were few errors running all the time in logs, while I tested. ROMs using effects, total stability, and months testing whole other things I can't explain easily here, I found none of the ROMs fully configured to keep pace with MIUI. Stable doesn't mean optimized. What daily users need, they are happy, need not to find out. What power users need, they can go through hard testing and debugging. Our custom ROMs are still in halfway to have real stability and other effects, comparison to stock MIUI. Though they have much newer and upgraded features, they lacks as well.
Stock MIUI, and all based on it, are the best ROMs for our R4X, believe it or not. I've wasted months testing and reporting. And now I'm back to MIUI(xiaomi.eu). Now I'm modifying it for my own needs.
shohabmsk said:
Every single ROM contains bugs, and/or different kinds of bugs, newer or older or same. Or if there are no bugs, there are issues. Someone posted up, also included. Many many ROMs, but in stability, none. Stock MIUI, and all based on it, are the best ROMs for our R4X, believe it or not. I've wasted months testing and reporting. And now I'm back to MIUI(xiaomi.eu). Now I'm modifying it for my own needs.
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I am actually very happy with Havoc OS based on Oreo.
DoctorRzepa said:
I am actually very happy with Havoc OS based on Oreo.
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Good for you.
Pretty good support and all considering it's pretty unpopular phone
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First of all your post's title is very misleading, edit it.
Look brother, it's inappropriate to make posts like this. Developers do all the hard work for free, but they have a life too. It takes time, skill & a lot of trouble shooting to develop a ROM. So just give them some time, okay?
If we keep nagging them, the devs might feel annoyed & lose their interest in developing for our device completely. Tell me, is that what you want? The problem is we only want to take everything for free, giving nothing in return - not even a little bit of patience!! That's not how the world works.
Android 10 isn't out for this device yet, but we already have 4 Android Q based custom ROMs for A3. You can try those in the meanwhile.
No hard feelings bro, just wanted to share my thoughts with you. Thank you.
evanB70 said:
First of all your post's title is very misleading, edit it.
Look brother, it's inappropriate to make posts like this. Developers do all the hard work for free, but they have a life too. It takes time, skill & a lot of trouble shooting to develop a ROM. So just give them some time, okay?
If we keep nagging them, the devs might feel annoyed & lose their interest in developing for our device completely. Tell me, is that what you want? The problem is we only want to take everything for free, giving nothing in return - not even a little bit of patience!! That's not how the world works.
Android 10 isn't out for this device yet, but we already have 4 Android Q based custom ROMs for A3. You can try those in the meanwhile.
No hard feelings bro, just wanted to share my thoughts with you. Thank you.
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i used miui before & bored of stock rom limited features.. used two custom rom they aslo limited features.
that's why want miui or Oxygen os. nobody give any attention if i ask for this two rom
sorry.. i give up ?
soliman.sohan said:
i used miui before & bored of stock rom limited features.. used two custom rom they aslo limited features.
that's why want miui or Oxygen os. nobody give any attention if i ask for this two rom
sorry.. i give up ?
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I see. Stock android is not everyone's cup of tea. You see, this phone runs on stock android, so every custom rom for this device is going to be based on stock/AOSP. You probably won't get that cartoonish MIUI for this device. GSIs? May be. But those things are always riddled with bugs. Talking of Oxygen OS, there isn't a whole lot of deference between Android One & OOS. Besides, you'll lose the ability to use your cameras to their full potential - a common problem with custom roms in general.
You really should have gone with CC9e instead of A3.
I, for one, enjoy clean, fluid & bloat-free Android. Every feature you get on MIUI can be duplicated on stock rom with the help of some useful apps & a bit of creativity
Basically, stock android is like soft clay. You can customize it to any shape you like (granted, it does require some effort); you can't say the same for 3rd party skins like MIUI.
I thought that after more than 2 years since Mi A1, people finally learned that if they want MIUI, they need to buy a phone with MIUI and not Android One. What puzzles me even more, Xiaomi offers EXACTLY the same device with/without MIUI, yet people jump on the Android One train and complain.. Sorry for being off-topic, but I'm amazed by this behavior since the beginning of Xiamoi's Android One line
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I see. Stock android is not everyone's cup of tea. You see, this phone runs on stock android, so every custom rom for this device is going to be based on stock/AOSP. You probably won't get that cartoonish MIUI for this device. GSIs? May be. But those things are always riddled with bugs. Talking of Oxygen OS, there isn't a whole lot of deference between Android One & OOS. Besides, you'll lose the ability to use your cameras to their full potential - a common problem with custom roms in general.
You really should have gone with CC9e instead of A3.
I, for one, enjoy clean, fluid & bloat-free Android. Every feature you get on MIUI can be duplicated on stock rom with the help of some useful apps & a bit of creativity
Basically, stock android is like soft clay. You can customize it to any shape you like (granted, it does require some effort); you can't say the same for 3rd party skins like MIUI.
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sorry to say you don't realy know indeep about miui.. use oos or miui 1year with using then full feature then you will get your own ansr.. stock is simple & powerful
& one thing if you use telegram you can understand between what's & telegram..just think miui is telegram & stock is like whatsapp
and sorry guys.. if you think i am not respecting dev
i will sell a3. & next time will not post like this
(for new law in our country i can't buy mi cc9e or better version for money)
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