I'm really disappointed to know that this is a new phone and with just a few programs install that I'm not. All I'm left with is around 320mb out of 700.. Android is complete fail!!!!!!!! This is no better than my OLD ASS HD2 with 512mb Ram running Android at least I was left with around 200mb with 4 screen full of widgets and icons compared to one screen I have running on my note!
Obvious troll is obvious.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA
Obviously. Go back to your hd2, we don't want you.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA
if you had a captivate at 320mb you'd be about max'd out of ram (338mb)...and its linux system based kernel so keeping a certain % of ram active is good thing. you know that right? when you say install you meant running right?
How da hell I'm trolling for telling da dam truth. Your da troll for denying... You explain how does a new phone with few apps only is widget is time and folder widget . Keep in mind that everything is off like Bluetooth and data. So what happens when those turn on 250mb left....
I totally understand when you say that install mean running, thats my issue with Android. But I can't stand when fanboys deny it instead of complain in hopes of developers fixing the issue.. I normally hear da same darn excuse the system know when to stop the application, but guess what that does not work else their would be no reason for people downloading an app to stop the programs constantly running on da phone.
I don't know what's wrong with your setup but I have 400mb free ram out of 732mb, and I have widgets in 5 screens and apps open right now, and I can relate with the hd2 which I have 2 of them that I love and they're awesome devices but you can't compare it to this phone.
RoloRacer on Galaxy Note!
jpeg42 said:
Obvious troll is obvious.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hows he a troll?? that's a very legit concern he has and he is not the only one. if you are one of those blind people who feel offended if they hear something bad about their device then that's your problem. yes truth is that out of 1gb ram, only 700mb is available and that does SUCK! and it is not android to be blamed, becuase htc phones they have sense which we all know takes lots of ram space but at least we know that it is sense taking ram space, while this phone has touchwiz which is supposed to be "light" but apparently it is not that light afterall, since there is 300mb ram missing
Underground_XI said:
hows he a troll?? that's a very legit concern he has and he is not the only one. if you are one of those blind people who feel offended if they hear something bad about their device then that's your problem. yes truth is that out of 1gb ram, only 700mb is available and that does SUCK! and it is not android to be blamed, becuase htc phones they have sense which we all know takes lots of ram space but at least we know that it is sense taking ram space, while this phone has touchwiz which is supposed to be "light" but apparently it is not that light afterall, since there is 300mb ram missing
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Coming to an xda forum saying "andriod is complete fail!!!!!!!!" is trolling. if I did the same at macrumors and said that about iOS, it would be trolling.
I am not blind, I am informed. I understand where the 300MB RAM you claim is "missing" goes to, and I understand how Android handles memory management. Is there something you can't run because you are out of RAM? No? Then quit worrying about it.
jpeg42 said:
Coming to an xda forum saying "andriod is complete fail!!!!!!!!" is trolling. if I did the same at macrumors and said that about iOS, it would be trolling.
I am not blind, I am informed. I understand where the 300MB RAM you claim is "missing" goes to, and I understand how Android handles memory management. Is there something you can't run because you are out of RAM? No? Then quit worrying about it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So wat do you call 320 out of 700mb running... Should I say complete success?? It is was it is, I love the idea of Android because it gives me options compared to other OS, but I'm sorry but we need the option to be able to completely close running apps.. Hate to say it, I got a playbook with at least 50 apps and guess wat no ram issues, you know why? Cause when you close a damn app the darn thing closes... Honestly can you do that with Android, let me answer dat for you hell no without your device bugging out. So wat point is having a memory management that apparently is not working good?
Underground_XI said:
hows he a troll?? that's a very legit concern he has and he is not the only one. if you are one of those blind people who feel offended if they hear something bad about their device then that's your problem. yes truth is that out of 1gb ram, only 700mb is available and that does SUCK! and it is not android to be blamed, becuase htc phones they have sense which we all know takes lots of ram space but at least we know that it is sense taking ram space, while this phone has touchwiz which is supposed to be "light" but apparently it is not that light afterall, since there is 300mb ram missing
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tl;dr, just wanted to point out the troll only defends a troll, and trolls the legits.
jpeg42 said:
I am not blind, I am informed. I understand where the 300MB RAM you claim is "missing" goes to, and I understand how Android handles memory management. Is there something you can't run because you are out of RAM? No? Then quit worrying about it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed, these forums are to improve our phones, to get information, and to assist others in doing so. You have 30 days to try your phone, if you don't like it, try a windows or an iPhone. Otherwise, look around the forums or ask nicely for a solution in the Q & A.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda premium
Seriously, You might want to research and learn how memory management works with Android and other operating systems.
Also, the kill apps programs exist to stop runaway apps that were not written properly.
Sent from my Samsung Note via Tapatalk.
Truaim said:
Tl;dr, just wanted to point out the troll only defends a troll, and trolls the legits.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
just shut up and go talk to yourself how amazing the note u got is u know **** about ram.
Dude wat is Ur point is memory management working? No, if you say it is Ur a lier, download 50 apps and then test a playbook with 50 apps and you will notice how different the playbook handles app. Don't get me wrong I'm not bragging about playbook because they have its faults but I cant stand when fanboys act as if theirs no issue...
SeenNotScene said:
Agreed, these forums are to improve our phones, to get information, and to assist others in doing so. You have 30 days to try your phone, if you don't like it, try a windows or an iPhone. Otherwise, look around the forums or ask nicely for a solution in the Q & A.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How do you improve our phones when you act like the problems don't exist? Exactly they will never be improved!!!
klee2000 said:
How do you improve our phones when you act like the problems don't exist? Exactly they will never be improved!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They're improving all the time. I guess I don't know what exactly you expect out of a PHONE that has some tech capabilities. And, obviously, this phone does not suit your needs if you need to be running a ton of apps at the same time.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda premium
To the OP - no concern is invalid. These forums exist to handle questions and problems, you have a concern. Yes something is a memory hog out of the box. No, Android isn't perfect - you are right. Could you have said something other than "Android sux". Sure, but we've all said things that were over the top when we were mad or frustrated.
As for your concern, first thing to consider is how much memory is reserved for that high-def screen (slightly better resolution than 720 HD). Then how much is reserved for AT&T bloatware that runs all the time, like Mark the Spot which I didn't know about until yesterday... thanks to this forum. Wait for ICS, see how it performs, if you still don't like the situation then root and try a cooked rom.
To those calling him a troll. Stop being Android fanboys, you can act better than the iPhone sheep. The OP has a legitimate concern, whether you want to hear it or not.
techntrek said:
To those calling him a troll. Stop being Android fanboys, you can act better than the iPhone sheep. The OP has a legitimate concern, whether you want to hear it or not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He has a concern. It's nonsense, but sure, he's obviously concerned. Can't argue that.
If you have memory left, then yes, to Android that's a win. Android keeps your most recently used applications in memory so that next time you start them, they load up instantaneously instead of having to read from NAND. I'm not doubting that your phone may be a bit laggy, but it's not the RAM. It may be the TW overlay with it's hooks so deep into the system thats causingit, but it's nto a shortage of RAM. My phone flies with 50 apps installed, try a ROM from the dev section if you're not satisfied with your performance.
Threads like these we should just give an answer to, downvote, and walk away, like I'm doing right now.
Related
Just check other phone's forum and you'll see how hasn't are dying to port the sense ui on their optimus 3g or their galaxy s2. It's funny but then it's sad looking at this forum and reading people hating the ui. imo I think it's fantastic. And I think other phone model owners think so too.
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA App
akiradavis said:
Just check other phone's forum and you'll see how hasn't are dying to port the sense ui on their optimus 3g or their galaxy s2. It's funny but then it's sad looking at this forum and reading people hating the ui. imo I think it's fantastic. And I think other phone model owners think so too.
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...what I think is sad are people who get phones with vanilla android trying to port sense, what I think is even more sad is people doing it completely different phones that have barely anything in common. read that as meaning: most **** is broken. and they are willing to put up with that, whereas I can't stand sense and that definitely played into my decision to return it.
To each his own. Something happened, slowly. The consensus used to be originally on the E4G forum that "we" liked AOSP more. Then I'd say a few months in up until a few months ago it was a pretty even split. Now it seems that the vast majority of "us" prefer sense.
<troll>Someone should ask cyanogen to make a sense version</troll>
grass is always greener on the other side
I like most of the Sense UI. In fact, I didn't even change the default weather widget based one. I also like the lock screen dock thing which is cool and saves me some steps.
I *think* the hate comes from two things. One, it is kind of a resource pig. Two, you are forced to use it as opposed to it being an option. Some people just doing like to have things forced on them. At least that's what my dates used to tell me !self-zing!
I must admit now that I have a device capable of running Sense properly, it is much better. With that said, it's still a bloated pig that eats up too much space and resources.
-----
Android: It will make you a sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me.
IMHO i dont like Vanilla very much... Sure its lighter and faster, but why? Its a stripped version of android, looks very bland and boring when using core apps. Sense on the other hand gives it a much needed polish and adds tons of features and much better integration to services. Its not as fast as Vanilla but it offers so much like better integrated contacts and gallery, better copy paste, easy access settings and recent apps in the notification bar, very polished UI and core apps, in a nutshell anything the common user might need and im sure that the devs will close the speed gap when custom roms hit
Just my .02
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)
The best part of android is if you have a good dev community you can have whatever you want on your phone. Hell I'd try touch wiz for awhile if someone made a good port.
mike21pr said:
IMHO i dont like Vanilla very much... Sure its lighter and faster, but why? Its a stripped version of android, looks very bland and boring when using core apps. Sense on the other hand gives it a much needed polish and adds tons of features and much better integration to services. Its not as fast as Vanilla but it offers so much like better integrated contacts and gallery, better copy paste, easy access settings and recent apps in the notification bar, very polished UI and core apps, in a nutshell anything the common user might need and im sure that the devs will close the speed gap when custom roms hit
Just my .02
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can see that point of view...and I'll admit, it has a few slick features. Mostly contact integration...that's pretty much it. Hold down 'home' in any version of Android to see the recent apps...no need to pull down.
But when I use an OS interface I use it to navigate around to applications. The applications being what I actually want to use. I don't care how sexy the operating system looks, it is a means to an end. I don't use OSX just to play with the dock, I don't use Windows XP just to **** around with Luna... hell, I didn't use DOS just to type 'dir' over and over again. I certainly never used Solaris solely to be tormented by CDE...nor OS/2 for WPS....
To each their own, of course. I'm more of a utilitarian anyway...and something that is slick looking, has superfluous features and a couple handy features that I could still live without is just fine...but when it consumes half of your goddamned ram that is double what it used to be....well...I just can't abide by that.
To me that's like getting a new car that has a fuel tank twice the size of last years model and gets less than half the miles per gallon too. wtf!?
It just offends my sensibilities. Once again, to each their own.
daneurysm said:
<troll>Someone should ask cyanogen to make a sense version</troll>
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
See you are about to get people in trouble. Lol.
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA App
I am loving Sense 3.0. What I cannot believe though is even after all the version upgrades, they still have a settings button in the launcher and not something that might be useful!
What is even harder to believe is they still won't let us choose what apps we want in our launcher. You would think before they developed any other part of Sense that would be the first thing they addressed.
Maybe Steve Jobs created the launcher for HTC and that is what he wanted in it?
I love sense now. It has wonderful battery life and a pretty UI. If only I could hook the Wii remote to it. That would be hot. I don't care about speed test. It's fast enough.
I'd wish they made it possible to alphabetize shortcuts in folders. I love Sense 3.0!
As far as functionality, Vanilla takes the cake. However, Sense 3.0 isn't bad. In fact, it's quite usable.
As far as look/feel, Sense is beatiful...especially the widgets. I absolutely HATE those bland white menus though. However, AOSP ROMs are theme central (especially MIUI) and can be customized to perfection.
I prefer AOSP ROMs. Not because they contain no Sense, but because they are more customizable and take up less space.
My NS4G came with stock Android (which I prefer), but the dev support is not even a quarter of what the Evo has. That's why I bought an Evo 3D, and that's why I'm going to flash an AOSP ROM on it as soon as perm root is to be had.
So out of pure stubbornness... someone said sense takes up half your ram on your phone now are speaking of ram that your phone has avail for program usage or for storage becuase my phone seems to only be using 200 megs of ram with everything i have running on the phone and still has like 600 megs free for other stuff i never seem to run out of ram so i dont understand where your getting off saying this.... now if i am wrong please point me in the right direction to look and see sense taking up half my ram? also i used to have a HERO and let me tell you sense ran like old crusty dog dookie so it was gone as soon as i got my phone rooted... this phone i am totally happy with sense other than the fact that i cant seem to change some settings i would like to change. But thats to be expected and hopefully devs can add some new settings into this phone to make it more user freindly. but HTC you did a good job i am happy with this phone now unlock the damn thing already =)
Like they say, you never know what you had until its gon or something like dat lol
Bussin Caps n 3D
I don't terribly mind Sense, but I'm definitely jumping ship for vanilla as soon as it's an option.
wcooper0077 said:
So out of pure stubbornness... someone said sense takes up half your ram on your phone now are speaking of ram that your phone has avail for program usage or for storage becuase my phone seems to only be using 200 megs of ram with everything i have running on the phone and still has like 600 megs free for other stuff i never seem to run out of ram so i dont understand where your getting off saying this.... now if i am wrong please point me in the right direction to look and see sense taking up half my ram? also i used to have a HERO and let me tell you sense ran like old crusty dog dookie so it was gone as soon as i got my phone rooted... this phone i am totally happy with sense other than the fact that i cant seem to change some settings i would like to change. But thats to be expected and hopefully devs can add some new settings into this phone to make it more user freindly. but HTC you did a good job i am happy with this phone now unlock the damn thing already =)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Coming from a HERO stock e3D is a steller mind blowing experience I'm sure...coming from a highly tuned Evo4G it was 'okay, a little faster' at best. most of the time i didn't even notice a differene...not that there wasn't one, but it wasn't staggering enough to notice.
bitslizer said:
grass is always greener on the other side
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
false ! lol
sense 3.0 is nice !! now that i can disable most of the bloatware its even faster
I'm enjoying sense 3.0 thus far. I only have 2 gripes. 1- I wish the notification drop down was accessible from the lock screen. I loved widget locker for this reason alone. 2- after opening the app drawer, selecting an app, then hitting home or back when done, I wish it would go back to the home screen rather than back to the app drawer.
I read this this morning and found it interesting.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ag_occurs_more_often_in_android_than_ios.html
Makes sense why no matter how powerful our phones get they will still lag
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
triton302 said:
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 not a credible source
jbis said:
+1 not a credible source
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
punman said:
The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The point he makes where you can test it yourself is brilliant.
Despite the source of the article, it did seem like a pretty good read to me and offered some decent insight as to why my Rezound, despite being essentially a flagship device, still can't match the feel of iOS. Not that I care too much, I've become accustomed to it, and it would only be frosting on the cake if they could make it so Android had that 1-to-1 feel that was mentioned.
Androids UI threads do not run at high priority like iOS and windows phone. You can read about this almost anywhere. Touching the screen on an iphone immediately halts all processing and only the display get's access to do work, so the experience is -always- fluid, at the cost of stopping all 'actual' work being done.
ICS will be better with multi-core support, but will still attempt to do work in parallel with screen updates.
But honestly, I never see any of this 'stuttering', or at least, It doesn't bother me very much if it is happening because I don't notice it.
Apple has always focused on the visuals of their products more than the actual functionality. Doesn't make it better or worse, just different. If ultra smooth transitions between things are a critical point for you, then you want an Apple device. If you prefer to focus on functionality then you probably want an android device. Just because a UI doesn't flow 100% smooth doesn't ruin the experience for me. For others it might. Google is not blind to the issue, they will eventually work it out, but for now we have what we have.
I really appreciate you posting this article as it easily explains the one big problem I've had with Android. Don't get me wrong though I have and always will continue to have an Android phone. Customization trumps fluidity. Google will correct the issue eventually as mentioned above.
Sent from my Vigor (S-on)
Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Serinety said:
Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You just compared apples to oranges. Windows 8 will be MS first cross platform attempt. Which would be like comparing Chrome to Android.
Sadly even ICS doesn't solve this issue at all. Seems the route they're taking are huge hardware bumps in hopes that it will solve the issue. Good hardware cannot cover up faulty coding. I hope Google fixes it soon.
faulty coding? it's faulty because it runs differently from iOS? please, dude. it doesn't prioritize UI because it can ACTUALLY multitask, unlike iOS. that's the point. if you want a super smooth phone, leave android.
Dude we all love android here.. but if something is screwey then its screwey..no need to go Apple fanboi on us LOL
Are you talking to me? Lol.its not faulty. it's how the phone and operating system were created. If you don't like it, that doesn't mean it's faulty. Seriously?
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
Sent from my HTC Rezound
Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
sent from my mom's basement
nev310 said:
I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
Sent from my HTC Rezound
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 same here
fernando sor said:
Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
sent from my mom's basement
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Serinety said:
I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Of course they are. But I wouldn't take a part time employees word as gospel on a company as large as Google.
I certainly haven't had a lag issue. This just smacks of apple fanboy
Sent from my PG86100 using xda premium
I have always been a little confused by some people that by and HTC phone. You see it in every HTC phone forum. People by the latest and greatest HTC phone just to get rid of Sense. You know going into buying an HTC phone it has Sense but you don't like it. Why not just wait for the GNEX? I had an ERIS. I understand trying to get every inch of speed out of your phone. This phone doesn't need that. With the Eris I even ran a Sense based ROM because it just seemed to actually be the smoothest thing to run on it. This phone was built for Sense. It just needs to be optimized and tweaked a little. On my ERIS I flashed pretty much every ROM made for that guy. Always went back to Sense. Just felt right. But if I didn't like Sense, I would have never bought this phone. I am just trying to get some feedback from the rest of you guys/girls to get a better understanding of this trend.
Well in my case I got the sensation because it was dual core. Solid screen size and it was out about 6 months before the gs2. I never had much of a problem with sense other than the fact that it's a ram hog. I would imagine people buy HTC products because of the hardware.
Sent from my Sensation 4g using XDA App
So that you have less programs taking resources from other programs.
HTC makes good hardware. Up until they started being strict about locking the bootloader, you get the phone for the hardware, design (prefer theirs over Samsung), you could buy the phone and put other roms on there that are faster. Nexus phones are good only because of the software, but hardware wise its usually a little behind. So if you could put the same software on better hardware, its a better option.
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Gary13579 said:
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
jim_0068 said:
Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have run different launchers. I actually did before I my OP. I personally didn't feel like that phone was super "snappier" or that battery changed much. Battery has been more of a screen/radios issue. I have been averaging 16 hours with normal use on the regular battery.
dpiddy14 said:
What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
squidder said:
Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's like buying a new car for the the power train only. There is going to be something comparable to the rezound in no time. If you hate HTC's twist on android why support them by buying there phone? Business see numbers, if they are selling their phones like hot cakes they think you pretty much like the overall phone. They are gonna just keep expanding and refining sense.
HTC isn't suddenly going to stop using Sense because I didn't buy their phones (which, btw, I've already stopped doing, samsung > *), and if we think that sense is total **** (which it is), why shouldn't we remove it? We're not paying for the OS, we're paying for the phone.
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Gary13579 said:
I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I understand the whole being able to fully customize to your liking. That's why I am asking, iF you have such a hate for Sense why would you financially support what they are putting out? I also understand your a dev so you love linux and the more pure android experience. Would you buy and iPhone if you like the specs on it? I hate apple products personally, if their specs on somthing was awesome and I could change their OS to my liking I still would not but and apple product!
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda premium
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
danutzz said:
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL, sorry for bringing apple into it! I totally agree for the most part HTC makes solid phones. Thats the main reason I buy them also. I have sammy tv's but I have had nothing but problems with their phones.
ozzyager said:
I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I see that. I just wanted to know why all the hate for sense. If it is so bad, why is their pretty much and app for everything that sense has?
Also I am laid off right now, so I have nothing better to do than start a thread about this. I knew there was going to be a bunch of hate directed blindly towards me for starting this but I honestly want to know why the hatred for sense.
dpiddy14 said:
I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what did!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
dpiddy14 said:
I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did I use troll right? I don't usually use the little kid, tattle tell, words like noob, or troll.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you have never had a sense phone I could understand trying it. Thanks for posting what you don't like about it too. I am not against switching ROM's customizing to your liking. I am totally for it. Like you said if we are here we are tweakers at minimum. I was more questioning the people the first day it was out wanting s-off to get ride of sense. Then recently the desense utility came out. It just sparked my interest. Who knows when ICS comes out if I will still want sense myself.
Why are their sooooooo many people having problems with their S3?? I've had mine since launch day and cannot see any flaws what so ever. "my screens flickering" "pink tint on my screen" "laggy" you obviously done something wrong to have these problems....i don't mean to sound a knob but all I ever see is people having problems and possibly nit picking at stuff that isn't important
Sent from my S3 overclocked to 1.6ghz with HyperGalaxy Rom
Well said!
I'm **** sick of seeing people complaining about stupid things. Non-problems 99% of the time.
Look at the latest one, some guy complaining about icon spacing. Wtf.
If the s3 forum is gonna be like this then I'm not gonna involve myself in it and stick to just the galaxy nexus forum.
This video says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
nodstuff said:
Well said!
I'm **** sick of seeing people complaining about stupid things. Non-problems 99% of the time.
Look at the latest one, some guy complaining about icon spacing. Wtf.
If the s3 forum is gonna be like this then I'm not gonna involve myself in it and stick to just the galaxy nexus forum.
This video says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its just ridiculous mate....they've obviously done something to have all these problems. My wifi works just fine, I have no issues with my display, the RAM usage is fine, and I couldn't give a **** about the icon spacing lol
Sent from my S3 overclocked to 1.6ghz with HyperGalaxy Rom
You guys have to remember that these type of forums seem to amplify the size of problems.
Also, the phone is not completely free of bugs and defects CAN and WILL happen. It's a normal part of the manufacturing process for some things to have less than stellar quality. Don't call bluff on everything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA
Come on guys play nice here. Not everyone's a tech head and simple problems to some can be like rocket science to others, and insulting a new member cos you don't like the question is just wrong.
bigb252 said:
You guys have to remember that these type of forums seem to amplify the size of problems.
Also, the phone is not completely free of bugs and defects CAN and WILL happen. It's a normal part of the manufacturing process for some things to have less than stellar quality. Don't call bluff on everything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, this.
On a forum like this, people are more likely to post about problems that they are experiencing with their device.
Imagine a forum full of posts like: OMG I have 23 apps open at the same time while watching a 1080p YouTube video and it's so smooth wow lol I love this phone it's so much faster than my girlfriends iPhone lol
If you're having a problem with your new phone, you make a post about it, hoping that someone more knowledgeable will help you out. If you are enjoying the phone in your everyday life and it's working well, nobody really makes random posts about that, do they?
Some people do have problems. Just because YOUR phone isn't laggy doesn't mean that there is no lag in any Galaxy S III device out there. Just because YOUR camera works doesn't mean that some people might have problems with camera force closing. And so on...
Of course, some people just are never happy - there are those as well!
So forgive me if this is obvious and I am missing something, I have been out of the Tech loop for 2 years now. This phone caught my eye as I want to get back into a phone I can mess around with OSs on and such, plus a KEYBOARD!! But anyhow, my question is what is the difference between the Pro1 and the Prox1X? I am really struggling to see anything. I see there is an 6 and 8gb ram version of the pro1x but only a 6 gig pro1 it seems? But otherwise it seems things are about the same, can someone help me see what I am missing before I buy?
There is almost no difference, only more RAM, storage, the ability to pick between having Ubuntu or Lineage preinstalled, and of course the color
dcwiker05 said:
So forgive me if this is obvious and I am missing something, I have been out of the Tech loop for 2 years now. This phone caught my eye as I want to get back into a phone I can mess around with OSs on and such, plus a KEYBOARD!! But anyhow, my question is what is the difference between the Pro1 and the Prox1X? I am really struggling to see anything. I see there is an 6 and 8gb ram version of the pro1x but only a 6 gig pro1 it seems? But otherwise it seems things are about the same, can someone help me see what I am missing before I buy?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I really hope you didn't piss your money away on this... These guys are terrible..
I'll bet by July, they have downgraded to a used Moto RAZR to give it's backers...
Or at very least a PinePhone..
Scarbelli said:
Or at very least a PinePhone..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly, the PinePhone Pro is a seriously BETTER contender.
The OG PinePhone was a solid Linux phone for the price. Specially considering it was their first run at a phone.
FxTec?
With their "diverse portfolio" on mobile security and blah blah blah...
It's honestly a joke now.
I stand behind my statement previously made: I feel very bad for XDA exec's.
Clearly they had a metric **** tone of sunshine blown up their ass, and I don't think FxTec's ass can cash the cheques it's mouth has written.
XDA has always stood for right to repair, FULL device ownership, and honest reporting, all the while offering a stellar community of (mostly) helpful like-mindeds, and access the largest repo of android development in the solar system!
I truly do hope, in the not too distant future, XDA partners with a outfit that can get just ONE product from design, to release without enormous, unexplained delays, and actually DOWNGRADING what the us early birds had already paid for, and where promised.
Anyone else hoping for the same thing from XDA??