I read this this morning and found it interesting.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ag_occurs_more_often_in_android_than_ios.html
Makes sense why no matter how powerful our phones get they will still lag
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
triton302 said:
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
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+1 not a credible source
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+1 not a credible source
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The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
punman said:
The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
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The point he makes where you can test it yourself is brilliant.
Despite the source of the article, it did seem like a pretty good read to me and offered some decent insight as to why my Rezound, despite being essentially a flagship device, still can't match the feel of iOS. Not that I care too much, I've become accustomed to it, and it would only be frosting on the cake if they could make it so Android had that 1-to-1 feel that was mentioned.
Androids UI threads do not run at high priority like iOS and windows phone. You can read about this almost anywhere. Touching the screen on an iphone immediately halts all processing and only the display get's access to do work, so the experience is -always- fluid, at the cost of stopping all 'actual' work being done.
ICS will be better with multi-core support, but will still attempt to do work in parallel with screen updates.
But honestly, I never see any of this 'stuttering', or at least, It doesn't bother me very much if it is happening because I don't notice it.
Apple has always focused on the visuals of their products more than the actual functionality. Doesn't make it better or worse, just different. If ultra smooth transitions between things are a critical point for you, then you want an Apple device. If you prefer to focus on functionality then you probably want an android device. Just because a UI doesn't flow 100% smooth doesn't ruin the experience for me. For others it might. Google is not blind to the issue, they will eventually work it out, but for now we have what we have.
I really appreciate you posting this article as it easily explains the one big problem I've had with Android. Don't get me wrong though I have and always will continue to have an Android phone. Customization trumps fluidity. Google will correct the issue eventually as mentioned above.
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Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
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Serinety said:
Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
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You just compared apples to oranges. Windows 8 will be MS first cross platform attempt. Which would be like comparing Chrome to Android.
Sadly even ICS doesn't solve this issue at all. Seems the route they're taking are huge hardware bumps in hopes that it will solve the issue. Good hardware cannot cover up faulty coding. I hope Google fixes it soon.
faulty coding? it's faulty because it runs differently from iOS? please, dude. it doesn't prioritize UI because it can ACTUALLY multitask, unlike iOS. that's the point. if you want a super smooth phone, leave android.
Dude we all love android here.. but if something is screwey then its screwey..no need to go Apple fanboi on us LOL
Are you talking to me? Lol.its not faulty. it's how the phone and operating system were created. If you don't like it, that doesn't mean it's faulty. Seriously?
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I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
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Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
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nev310 said:
I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
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Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
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I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
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I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
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Of course they are. But I wouldn't take a part time employees word as gospel on a company as large as Google.
I certainly haven't had a lag issue. This just smacks of apple fanboy
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http://www.slashgear.com/htc-bypasses-apple-patent-ire-for-2012-android-range-27167647/
Whether HTC shares this or not someone should get a patent on the new way found to avoid a run up of this. As much as I like the apple products they are becoming a bully which is just sad.
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Whether HTC shares this or not someone should get a patent on the new way found to avoid a run up of this. As much as I like the apple products they are becoming a bully which is just sad.
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Becoming? They have quite the long track record of bully status and general douchebaggery.
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Becoming? They have quite the long track record of bully status and general douchebaggery.
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This. It's just that up until recently they were neither big enough nor relevant enough to matter. Jobs is just being jobs as always... Unfortunately now he has the money and influence to be more than a just a sideshow to the technology industry... A zany footnote in computer history..... Now he's just acting like an extremely selfish only child.
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This. It's just that up until recently they were neither big enough nor relevant enough to matter. Jobs is just being jobs as always... Unfortunately now he has the money and influence to be more than a just a sideshow to the technology industry... A zany footnote in computer history..... Now he's just acting like an extremely selfish only child.
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Considering Apple, Inc. was on the verge of folding just a few short years ago, I'm really surprised by the turn that Apple's made.
/sarcasm
Every company forgets where they were and how far they've come. Take HTC as an example; they just about did it. They went from a company that embraced the developers and then, in a few short years, turned around and locked down their bootloaders.
Without social media outlets such as facebook, I highly doubt they would have reversed their decision to maintain locked bootloaders.
Apple needs the same kind of treatment to be reminded that the mass majority of users out there do not support their products (Android phones are outselling the iPhone, Android tablets have eaten into almost a third of the iPad market, and Macs still don't have nearly the same level of market penetration into the desktop/laptop sectors).
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Apple needs the same kind of treatment to be reminded that the mass majority of users out there do not support their products .
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Uhh, yeah. Good luck with that. While I agree whole heartedly apple fans are nowhere near as brand agnostic as, well, anyone else. Drank the koolaide, etc etc etc.
In a recent poll of 4000 consumers 35% said they wanted an iphone 5, even knowing nothing about it.
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Every company forgets where they were and how far they've come. Take HTC as an example; they just about did it. They went from a company that embraced the developers and then, in a few short years, turned around and locked down their bootloaders.
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What do you mean, "just about did it." A-holes still haven't unlocked jack sh....
I have always been a little confused by some people that by and HTC phone. You see it in every HTC phone forum. People by the latest and greatest HTC phone just to get rid of Sense. You know going into buying an HTC phone it has Sense but you don't like it. Why not just wait for the GNEX? I had an ERIS. I understand trying to get every inch of speed out of your phone. This phone doesn't need that. With the Eris I even ran a Sense based ROM because it just seemed to actually be the smoothest thing to run on it. This phone was built for Sense. It just needs to be optimized and tweaked a little. On my ERIS I flashed pretty much every ROM made for that guy. Always went back to Sense. Just felt right. But if I didn't like Sense, I would have never bought this phone. I am just trying to get some feedback from the rest of you guys/girls to get a better understanding of this trend.
Well in my case I got the sensation because it was dual core. Solid screen size and it was out about 6 months before the gs2. I never had much of a problem with sense other than the fact that it's a ram hog. I would imagine people buy HTC products because of the hardware.
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So that you have less programs taking resources from other programs.
HTC makes good hardware. Up until they started being strict about locking the bootloader, you get the phone for the hardware, design (prefer theirs over Samsung), you could buy the phone and put other roms on there that are faster. Nexus phones are good only because of the software, but hardware wise its usually a little behind. So if you could put the same software on better hardware, its a better option.
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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I have run different launchers. I actually did before I my OP. I personally didn't feel like that phone was super "snappier" or that battery changed much. Battery has been more of a screen/radios issue. I have been averaging 16 hours with normal use on the regular battery.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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That's like buying a new car for the the power train only. There is going to be something comparable to the rezound in no time. If you hate HTC's twist on android why support them by buying there phone? Business see numbers, if they are selling their phones like hot cakes they think you pretty much like the overall phone. They are gonna just keep expanding and refining sense.
HTC isn't suddenly going to stop using Sense because I didn't buy their phones (which, btw, I've already stopped doing, samsung > *), and if we think that sense is total **** (which it is), why shouldn't we remove it? We're not paying for the OS, we're paying for the phone.
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I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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I understand the whole being able to fully customize to your liking. That's why I am asking, iF you have such a hate for Sense why would you financially support what they are putting out? I also understand your a dev so you love linux and the more pure android experience. Would you buy and iPhone if you like the specs on it? I hate apple products personally, if their specs on somthing was awesome and I could change their OS to my liking I still would not but and apple product!
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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LOL, sorry for bringing apple into it! I totally agree for the most part HTC makes solid phones. Thats the main reason I buy them also. I have sammy tv's but I have had nothing but problems with their phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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I see that. I just wanted to know why all the hate for sense. If it is so bad, why is their pretty much and app for everything that sense has?
Also I am laid off right now, so I have nothing better to do than start a thread about this. I knew there was going to be a bunch of hate directed blindly towards me for starting this but I honestly want to know why the hatred for sense.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what did!
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Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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Did I use troll right? I don't usually use the little kid, tattle tell, words like noob, or troll.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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If you have never had a sense phone I could understand trying it. Thanks for posting what you don't like about it too. I am not against switching ROM's customizing to your liking. I am totally for it. Like you said if we are here we are tweakers at minimum. I was more questioning the people the first day it was out wanting s-off to get ride of sense. Then recently the desense utility came out. It just sparked my interest. Who knows when ICS comes out if I will still want sense myself.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/06/14/cher-wang-htc-patents/?icid=eng_latest_art
HTC finally decided to play the same game apple is. I dunno but imo, to little to late. Chit shoulda been done a whole hell of a lot of time ago. But, nevertheless, they're doing something in the right direction.
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I have been wondering... coulnd't Google file a suit over the drop down notification bar, which Apple is using and was on Android first....?
Google wouldn't and won't do that. It's like the two world heavy weights goin at it. Plus one suit would only open a door for more. And the drop down notification bar is part of android, which is open source. In all honesty, android being open is a good and bad thing. Without android continuously advancing, then snags will become more frequent do to other oems hogging up patents (crapple). Being open though allows any oem to personalize their own version of the os. Android should go closed, and include a small cost to use, just to be able to use the patent system. F crapple up the tail pipe.
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Jeez, that really made me think. So apple can get a feature that is in vanilla android, copy it and patent it as its own?
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Jeez, that really made me think. So apple can get a feature that is in vanilla android, copy it and patent it as its own?
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Android should go closed, and include a small cost to use, just to be able to use the patent system.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there, the main reason it is so successful (can freely used by any phone maker).
Open source is about having the option to change the product to fit your needs. As a Linux user I value this and I hate how rigid Apple's products are in this regard - they make all the decisions and the user has no say in any of it because, as Apple sees it, the user is too dumb to know what is best for him or her.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there
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Didn't stop Windows Mobile 6.x ROMs, and it is a closed source/proprietary OS.
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Didn't stop Windows Mobile 6.x ROMs, and it is a closed source/proprietary OS.
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To a certain degree it did. Because Windows Mobile is closed source, most of the ROM mods and tools to modify the OS were basically hacks. With open source, we can compile and properly modify source code to fit any platform. You couldn't do that with Windows Mobile.
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Actually, it is under open source, and if Apple is going to use it, they need to be open sourced also, which they aren't.
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Also, with Android being developed by millions of people in forums like XDA and apple only being developed by the "applet minors", I see Android advancing faster than Apple-I hope!
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Also, with Android being developed by millions of people in forums like XDA and apple only being developed by the "applet minors", I see Android advancing faster than Apple-I hope!
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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Like the idea. But patents cost way to much. Last I heard was over $1,100. But that's for sn actual product. Dunno if it differs for software. Or hardware I guess
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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Where does "prior art" come into play? If Android had it first and it wasn't able to be patented due to open source, Apple could come up with their own version but I would think they wouldn't be able to patent it (or at least not be able to use it against anyone) due to the "prior art" clause.
typhoonikan said:
I have been wondering... coulnd't Google file a suit over the drop down notification bar, which Apple is using and was on Android first....?
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The patent is still pending. I'm sure Google will go after apple once the patent is awarded.
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Correct. Also Android features would also be covered under prior art patent discovery rules.
Edit: sorry I missed the post related to prior art above, is correct. Apple could not patent open source Android based features due to the prior art clause.
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Actually, it is under open source, and if Apple is going to use it, they need to be open sourced also, which they aren't.
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Apple doesn't need the source code to copy an idea.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there, the main reason it is so successful (can freely used by any phone maker).
Open source is about having the option to change the product to fit your needs. As a Linux user I value this and I hate how rigid Apple's products are in this regard - they make all the decisions and the user has no say in any of it because, as Apple sees it, the user is too dumb to know what is best for him or her.
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Steve Jobs actually said the reason for a one button mouse was so consumers wouldn't be confused as to why there is a second mouse button that doesn't really do anything, that tells you all you need to know about how Apple sees their customers
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Steve Jobs actually said the reason for a one button mouse was so consumers wouldn't be confused as to why there is a second mouse button that doesn't really do anything, that tells you all you need to know about how Apple sees their customers
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He was right. I've known a lot of people that don't ever use the right mouse button and don't know what it does. When you tell them how to do something they get confused between the left and right button and keep hitting the wrong one. I love it, I do almost everything with my mouse but I'm not the average computer user, my mom is. One button is simpler, that's why the iPhone and iPad only have 1 button. I've shown people how to do things on their Android phones and I get "I've never touched that button before" to that I ask "why not?" and the response "I didn't know what it did". My landlord had an Epic 4G for almost a year and one day I was commenting on the fact I wished my EVO had a camera button and she said "what camera button". I have a feeling that's why the iPhone doesn't have a dedicated camera button, it would confuse people.
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He was right. I've known a lot of people that don't ever use the right mouse button and don't know what it does. When you tell them how to do something they get confused between the left and right button and keep hitting the wrong one. I love it, I do almost everything with my mouse but I'm not the average computer user, my mom is. One button is simpler, that's why the iPhone and iPad only have 1 button. I've shown people how to do things on their Android phones and I get "I've never touched that button before" to that I ask "why not?" and the response "I didn't know what it did". My landlord had an Epic 4G for almost a year and one day I was commenting on the fact I wished my EVO had a camera button and she said "what camera button". I have a feeling that's why the iPhone doesn't have a dedicated camera button, it would confuse people.
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While this is true they give you instructions with your devices. The it boils down to two things people being lazy and not reading. And two people being to scared to adventure to new things. There is zero reason for no one to understand the basics of the tech they own. It is their fault. Tech isn't hard on any level.
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While this is true they give you instructions with your devices. The it boils down to two things people being lazy and not reading. And two people being to scared to adventure to new things. There is zero reason for no one to understand the basics of the tech they own. It is their fault. Tech isn't hard on any level.
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While I don't disagree with you, some people are more technologically inclined than others. I do agree that people are lazy. Although I seldom read them, everything comes with a manual. It's not like the early days of command line interfaces, everything is very simple now. Apple caters to the "I don't want to read, I just want to turn it on and use it" crowd.
Some people speculate samsung will be leaving android. Would htc develop its own software also?http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57455054-94/would-samsung-ever-leave-android-new-ceo-drops-hints/
If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
I am sticking with samsung. My galaxy s and galaxy s ii were simply too damn good. Even more when tizen os is android compatible
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If samsung does leave as the article speculates, i would guess google would then buy htc. It would probably allow them to have a real hands on relationship with motorola and htc. We could benefit from that.
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If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
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Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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If you mean profits from apps, I'm not sure there are a lot from android, and if anyone was big enough to pull it off it would be samsung. Worlds largest cell phone maker I believe. I did see this article about amazon making a fair amount off of apps, so it can be done.http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play
After reading the article i think this is speculation based off words taken out of context. If you remember when Sammy announced the SGS3 they were emphasizing the software and the overall experience rather than the hardware and the power. I'm willing to be that they will start making a stronger push with Bada, but too much money is being made from the millions of galaxy devices.
The reason why HTC is as popular of a company as they are now is because of Android. They certainly weren't going to go anywhere if they invested heavily in their Windows Mobile 6.5 line. And even if they put all their eggs into the Windows Phone 7 basket, it's still not going to get them anywhere. There are more Android phones in circulation than any other phone OS on the market, it would be stupid to leave Android.
It would be a huge mistake even on Samsung's part to develop their own OS and leave android. Samsung just has to decide if they're powerful enough to accomplish it (and hey if anyone can it's probably them). Android already has many loyal users and a huge developer base, only way a new OS would be successful is to accomplish this same thing and that would not be an easy task. I don't really believe Samsung will abandon Android, maybe experiment with but that's it. I don't think HTC will either.
What the effect be on android\google if samsung did leave? It would leave them only with motorola and htc as major players correct? People always talk about fragmentation, maybe that would help solve that problem. If htc then sold a ton more phones we could then maybe end up with a better product and lets be honest htc's future is a little bit cloudy at best. (forgot about lg, do they count?)
leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
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leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
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If you are speaking of samsung, it would be to create their own OS\interface. The article was quite interesting. They are big enough and have enough money to do it, but would it be accepted is the question. I don't know if htc would have the money to do that.
htc is in dire straits financially, they already sacked their CFO, tried changing their business tactics a few times and got worse and worse results so they could get desperate enough to do something really drastic.
the problem is, what? making their own OS and forcing the market to adopt it is WAY out of their reach, they could have got on board of microsoft boat with nokia but now that microsoft is building their own hardware it has become a really, really bad move (Zune, anyone?), maybe there's sony with a viable alternative but dont look like a really profitable option.
btw, Samsung ditching Android? what? the only group that is actually making money - a lot of money - without any investment? that's just crazy.
CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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But where does the profit come from? If it from apps it doesn't appear android is actually doing all that well, in fact amazon is doing a better job at it according to this article..http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play. If samsung leaves thats a huge chunk of phones developers wont have to make money from. Android will be hurting if the developers leave also.
Samsung won't leave Android. This whole article is a huge speculation at an attempt at getting views. For one, the WSJ article it links to says a stronger look at proprietary software for smartphones, not operating system. That can be anything from touchwiz to apps for controlling their SmartTV's. The author jumps to the conclusion of a Samsung OS.
Think about it logically. Remember why Google actually bought Motorola. And look at the Author's intent.... Which is obviously to get hits.
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Yeah, just like Nokia......They made a big mistake because they decided to follow windows. Nokia just launched a new winphone (lumia 900) with win7 os but yesterday microsoft launched win8 os and announced that any winphone with win7 os are unable to upgrade to win8. So I dont think Nokia will get through their bad time.
Windows 8 is terrible I don't see anybody going from android to windows.. I think people would rather jump the dark side
Kind of a slap in the face to apple which is always worth a smile:
http://m.engadget.com/2012/07/20/go...-focused-email-app-maker/?icid=eng_latest_art
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Awesome!
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. Ok, so to make this seem like it is actually an important piece of news can anybody actually give any statistics showing that this was an item widely used and loved by people? I'm a clown, I know nothing about it. If you say google hired tim cook away from apple that means something to me. Google only paid 25 million for this outfit does that mean it sucks or will any of us android users benefit from this? Sorry to come off stupid but i am. Give me a little knowledge please and thank you.
Sparrow is loved by many people because although it can be used for multiple email services, it specializes and really shines with GMail. In fact, having used it, I can say it's almost better looking and more functional than our own Android GMail app. The desktop app for OS X (which I played with on my brother's Air) is fantastic, and I sorely wish we had something similar on Windows. Thunderbird just isn't what I want.
That being said, I don't know how this is a "slap in the face to Apple". The Sparrow team specifically said they're not dropping the app at all, and it will continue to receive support. If this makes you giggle, I guess you laugh very easily then...
True that they'll still support Apple, but would it be safe to say that Google won't want them supporting it as much as usual? I would think their attention will be elsewhere typically.
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Sparrow is loved by many people because although it can be used for multiple email services, it specializes and really shines with GMail. In fact, having used it, I can say it's almost better looking and more functional than our own Android GMail app. The desktop app for OS X (which I played with on my brother's Air) is fantastic, and I sorely wish we had something similar on Windows. Thunderbird just isn't what I want.
That being said, I don't know how this is a "slap in the face to Apple". The Sparrow team specifically said they're not dropping the app at all, and it will continue to receive support. If this makes you giggle, I guess you laugh very easily then...
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Anything that directly or indirectly affects apple in their gloat train does make me laugh. For google to purchase a company that up until today only supported apple, makes it a good day. True they'll still support apple as google already does, but it takes yet another item away that apple can say is 'theirs' per say.
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Anything that directly or indirectly affects apple in their gloat train does make me laugh. For google to purchase a company that up until today only supported apple, makes it a good day. True they'll still support apple as google already does, but it takes yet another item away that apple can say is 'theirs' per say.
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I am unsure what you mean by "gloat train", and I'm not sure I agree with your opinion about "taking away an item", but that of course is your opinion.
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Anything that directly or indirectly affects apple in their gloat train does make me laugh. For google to purchase a company that up until today only supported apple, makes it a good day. True they'll still support apple as google already does, but it takes yet another item away that apple can say is 'theirs' per say.
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lol I can hear the same iOS fanboys that groaned about android getting instagram groaning again.
And in a few a mod comes & shuts down another perfectly good thread. That stuff is getting really annoying
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And in a few a mod comes & shuts down another perfectly good thread. That stuff is getting really annoying
LT. EVO reporting sir!!!
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Sorry you feel that way. Threads get shut down when they get out of hand, you know, flaming, trolling, etc. So if this one can stay civil, then it will remain open.
"Google has struggled with its Gmail app for iOS. The company likely brought the Sparrow team in to help improve its Gmail experience on iOS and Mac, as well as potentially Android and PCs" This is a quote from mashable. So in reality It seems they are trying to make google and mac work better together. There could be no better outcome than that.
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Sorry you feel that way. Threads get shut down when they get out of hand, you know, flaming, trolling, etc. So if this one can stay civil, then it will remain open.
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Most of the debates I'm the Apple threads are entertaining & educational. I learn a lot from reading threads & replies here, but every time a mod shuts down all the fun. A heated debate won't kill nobody
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So our Gmail app is getting a face lift. Sounds good! Hopefully in the long run they will stop supporting apple. Long shot though.
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So our Gmail app is getting a face lift. Sounds good! Hopefully in the long run they will stop supporting apple. Long shot though.
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So this program will work better or have more features when they stop supporting apple? Please explain?
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So this program will work better or have more features when they stop supporting apple? Please explain?
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Naw man. I just don't like apple lol. I know that you and liquidsolistice don't have a problem with apple and that's cool. You guys make it known every thread that has anything to do with apple.
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Naw man. I just don't like apple lol. I know that you and liquidsolistice don't have a problem with apple and that's cool. You guys make it known every thread that has anything to do with apple.
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I know, i cant' help myself. I keep seeing people panicking over things that will probably mean nothing and it drives me nuts. Mark my words all this patent crap, etc will turn out to be nothing when it's over. One side will win for a while, and the other, it's the old unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
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I know, i cant' help myself. I keep seeing people panicking over things that will probably mean nothing and it drives me nuts. Mark my words all this patent crap, etc will turn out to be nothing when it's over. One side will win for a while, and the other, it's the old unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
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Yeah. I will continue to panick
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Most of the debates I'm the Apple threads are entertaining & educational. I learn a lot from reading threads & replies here, but every time a mod shuts down all the fun. A heated debate won't kill nobody
LT. EVO reporting sir!!!
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While true, like V said, if the threads didnt have flamming/trolling and profanity going back and forth, they would stay open every time, no question...
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LiquidSolstice said:
Sparrow is loved by many people because although it can be used for multiple email services, it specializes and really shines with GMail. In fact, having used it, I can say it's almost better looking and more functional than our own Android GMail app. The desktop app for OS X (which I played with on my brother's Air) is fantastic, and I sorely wish we had something similar on Windows. Thunderbird just isn't what I want.
That being said, I don't know how this is a "slap in the face to Apple". The Sparrow team specifically said they're not dropping the app at all, and it will continue to receive support. If this makes you giggle, I guess you laugh very easily then...
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I was on Appadvice today and they were basically having a "wake" for the Sparrow iOS app. The question that comes to mind is... "What about Chomp?" It was an app that help you when shopping for an app in the overcrowded Google Play Store but once Apple bought it...Poof! Gone!
Google's mobile branch makes most of its money thru Apple and Mac users. So, unless there is a google boycott from Apple causing a dip in the red, why would google stop supporting them?
Maybe got a little too ahead of myself. Just makes little sense for google to acquire Sparrow and have them continue to support Apple. That is until u know the details of what Sparrow makes and why Google acquired them. Not sure why Apple would mind Google sponsoring development of the gmail app for Mac.
If there is something I'm missing please let me know before calling me names, but shouldn't Apple be giggling?
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