Someone benchmarked the new ipad vs TFP here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdbtiNnZzE
The new ipad blows away TFP on 3D graphics benchmark. Nvidia better go back to the drawing board. On Browsermark and Sunspider benchmarks, the stock TFP fair OK against the new ipad. But my TFP running Virtuous Prime at 1.6Ghz beats the new ipad on Browsermark and Sunspider:
Browsermarks Benchmark (higher score is better)
new ipad: 99561
stock TFP: 100849
my TFP: 130000+ (I don't have my TFP me at work, so roughly that)
Sunspider Benchmark (less time is better)
new ipad: 1825 ms
stock TFP: 2344 ms
my TFP: ~1700 ms
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!
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stock prime running 1.6ghz overclock can score even higher than that. it was already known the CPU from Tegra3 smokes the A5x. The A5x edges out the gpu from prime. A5x gpu used mostly to power the screen though. most of ghost graphics benchmarks is with screen off. Anyways they both on the gpu front. we still have optimized games for tegra3, therefore our games look better and has more effects.
the a5x seems indeed to be faster,but the tegra3 has some special effects that the a5x is unable to process. unfortunally the games have to be 'tegra optimzed', and apple is has more content atm, but more and more developers take android seriously, future of android gaming will be sweet.
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stock prime running 1.6ghz overclock can score even higher than that. it was already known the CPU from Tegra3 smokes the A5x. The A5x edges out the gpu from prime. A5x gpu used mostly to power the screen though. most of ghost graphics benchmarks is with screen off. Anyways they both on the gpu front. we still have optimized games for tegra3, therefore our games look better and has more effects.
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"We" have a 2048x1536 screen and a better GPU therefore our games look better when optimized. Yes, I do own the new iPad now.
Yeah I know this horse has been beat to death by now but the new IPAD has to push 4x the pixels so to keep up with the prime it needs to be a Minimum of 4x faster. Honestly until we hit the sub 22nm, this kind of gpu will be a HUGE drain on battery for mobile usage.
I say lets go to 1080p then put a huge emphasis on lighting effects. 720p for 7inch.
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JoeyLe said:
"We" have a 2048x1536 screen and a better GPU therefore our games look better when optimized. Yes, I do own the new iPad now.
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Don't you have "your" own forums?
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Don't you have "your" own forums?
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Sure, but I love how you people keep talking like your Prime doesn't have any problems. And how the thing is sooo much better then the iPad. U mad?
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"We" have a 2048x1536 screen and a better GPU therefore our games look better when optimized. Yes, I do own the new iPad now.
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you funny...good for you then. well you not making much use of that powerful gpu hanging around prime forums so much.
a key word you mentioned was "when" optimized. even ipad2 had only less than a handful of games optimized for it. there won't hardly be any. reason why? because apple developers make most of their content to be played on any generation device. plus my ipad1 Infinity Blade2 still looks just as good as the new Ipad one. aside from better screen and little bit more detailed. but side by side they basically look the same. that's why I never upgraded to ipad2. cause my original Ipad still played all the same content flawlessly.
on another note, what games do you have that they updated for the new resolution? I know there isn't any new Ipad optimized games yet. that won't come until that RPG infinity blade dungeons Come out.
do you have that new Mass effect game? its coming to android also and will be tegra3 optimized. that game does look cool. not sure if i want to buy it for my Ipad or just wait for android version, which will be better
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you funny...good for you then. well you not making much use of that powerful gpu hanging around prime forums so much.
a key word you mentioned was "when" optimized. even ipad2 had only less than a handful of games optimized for it. there won't hardly be any. reason why? because apple developers make most of their content to be played on any generation device. plus my ipad1 Infinity Blade2 still looks just as good as the new Ipad one. aside from better screen and little bit more detailed. but side by side they basically look the same. that's why I never upgraded to ipad2. cause my original Ipad still played all the same content flawlessly.
on another note, what games do you have that they updated for the new resolution? I know there isn't any new Ipad optimized games yet. that won't come until that RPG infinity blade dungeons Come out.
do you have that new Mass effect game? its coming to android also and will be tegra3 optimized. that game does look cool. not sure if i want to buy it for my Ipad or just wait for android version, which will be better
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Are you kidding me? The device is out for 1 day in my country and a week in others, do you think every dev magicly transforms it in a high res app? It will take some time just as with the iPhone 4.
I don't have Mass Effect yet, I will check it out tomorrow.
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Sure, but I love how you people keep talking like your Prime doesn't have any problems. And how the thing is sooo much better then the iPad. U mad?
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please, you don't even want to go there. new Ipad had more issues than prime now...lmfao. its all over the national news channels. overheating, wifi issues(wifi can't connect at all or super slow wifi speeds), LTE issues, Ipad not charging, screen tearing /graphical glitches, screen bleeding and more don't make me post all the links to those threads. I am a member of ipadforums.net also, which is the largest Ipad forum. its filled with complaint threads now. plus official apple forum is also. be grateful you got a good working one, if you did.
even the moderator on ipadforums came out and confirmed new Ipad has a bunch of issues or at least alot of bad batches out there. nothing is sweet and perfect over in apple land also.
let's leave it at that
JoeyLe said:
"We" have a 2048x1536 screen and a better GPU therefore our games look better when optimized. Yes, I do own the new iPad now.
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Your probably happy that your I pads killing your sperm too lolzz
JoeyLe said:
Are you kidding me? The device is out for 1 day in my country and a week in others, do you think every dev magicly transforms it in a high res app? It will take some time just as with the iPhone 4.
I don't have Mass Effect yet, I will check it out tomorrow.
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that's the point. only been out a week and has already had issues plastered all over every major tech site and consumer reports. plus all the television news stations here in U.S. are broadcasting the issues also. new Ipad is good but don't act like it doesn't have its share of issues also. its like I said before, no device is perfect. even the best selling tablet, Ipad, has major issues also. but instead Ipad issues are in far greater numbers than prime. then apple came out and publicly denied the issues despite proof of them.
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Your probably happy that your I pads killing your sperm too lolzz
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good one..lmfao
demandarin said:
you funny...good for you then. well you not making much use of that powerful gpu hanging around prime forums so much.
a key word you mentioned was "when" optimized. even ipad2 had only less than a handful of games optimized for it. there won't hardly be any. reason why? because apple developers make most of their content to be played on any generation device. plus my ipad1 Infinity Blade2 still looks just as good as the new Ipad one. aside from better screen and little bit more detailed. but side by side they basically look the same. that's why I never upgraded to ipad2. cause my original Ipad still played all the same content flawlessly.
on another note, what games do you have that they updated for the new resolution? I know there isn't any new Ipad optimized games yet. that won't come until that RPG infinity blade dungeons Come out.
do you have that new Mass effect game? its coming to android also and will be tegra3 optimized. that game does look cool. not sure if i want to buy it for my Ipad or just wait for android version, which will be better
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please, you don't even want to go there. new Ipad had more issues than prime now...lmfao. its all over the national news channels. overheating, wifi issues(wifi can't connect at all or super slow wifi speeds), LTE issues, Ipad not charging, screen tearing /graphical glitches, screen bleeding and more don't make me post all the links to those threads. I am a member of ipadforums.net also, which is the largest Ipad forum. its filled with complaint threads now. plus official apple forum is also. be grateful you got a good working one, if you did.
even the moderator on ipadforums came out and confirmed new Ipad has a bunch of issues or at least alot of bad batches out there. nothing is sweet and perfect over in apple land also.
let's leave it at that
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I have noticed it is getting a little warm when gaming, but nothing serious for me at least.
WiFi:
Next to router
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 20mbps
1 floor down
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 8mbps
2 floors down
iPad: 20mbps (3/4 bars)
Prime: lost signal
Yeah, really unhappy with my iPads WiFi.
Personally, I find the Prime to be plenty fast, with the only area needing significant improvement being browsing. However, I'm also of the opinion that browsing isn't being held back by the processor (or its performance in any benchmarks), but just that the ICS browser needs to be optimized. Chrome is better, but I've found it too unstable for production use.
Once the browser speed is improved, the Prime will be an overall exceptional performer. Enough so that I'm rethinking my reluctance to consider the high-res screen on the TF700--I think the Tegra 3 will be just fine there as well (although the impact on the highest-end games perhaps remains a question mark).
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I have noticed it is getting a little warm when gaming, but nothing serious for me at least.
WiFi:
Next to router
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 20mbps
1 floor down
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 8mbps
2 floors down
iPad: 20mbps (3/4 bars)
Prime: lost signal
Yeah, really unhappy with my iPads WiFi.
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Dude why waste your time, SERIOUSLY. All I know is my android devices sure is collecting alot of dust lately.
Phone I'll stick with android but tablet (after trying out two prime and still owning a xoom) the new Ipad gets most of my attention.
I returned the prime in favor of the new iPad...it's such a shame, but the prime was just..not ready for release. I waited a week via preorder, and received about half the left side full of light bleeding, and when docked, opening and closing didn't feel right..you could tell something was going to give, so back it went.
I noticed a side of the dock was higher than the other, it created uneven flex when opening and closing,..so I completely understand the screen cracking issue. Another preorder would of been another week of waiting, and hoping the new unit wouldn't have the same issues...it just wasn't worth it.
While I had it I also bought the new iPad, and did numerous side by side tests of different websites I actually use...I kept the one that was faster. Another benefit is the stock keyboard is actually very easy to type on, better than stock android and thumb keyboard.
I could also finally take notes via stylus much quicker than I could with the prime, and have a great app for it.
Based on what I read here, I didn't think I could send or open email attachments and download files for offline, but that's untrue. Many of the things I heard on this forum actually turned out to be untrue regarding the new iPad, or have work arounds..at least for stuff I actually use.
Anyway, very disappointed with the prime and asus for releasing it as they did. I'd love to order one again, but I won't in the quality I received it.
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I have noticed it is getting a little warm when gaming, but nothing serious for me at least.
WiFi:
Next to router
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 20mbps
1 floor down
iPad: 20mbps
Prime: 8mbps
2 floors down
iPad: 20mbps (3/4 bars)
Prime: lost signal
Yeah, really unhappy with my iPads WiFi.
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Why don't you run a flash benchmark and get back to us....k thanks.
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Why the FOCK all these comparison threads or discussions about Ipad ?
I personally brought the Prime because of total dislike of Ios & Apple, so I don't give a flying fig what Ipad can do or what it cant, this Prime general section has more Apple/Ipad comparisons, hardware talk etc than anything Prime/Android.
I come here to read about Prime not Ios/Apple , come on chaps let it go, the majority I think have had enough of this , Take your Apple talk to an Apple forum
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Sure, but I love how you people keep talking like your Prime doesn't have any problems. And how the thing is sooo much better then the iPad. U mad?
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Funny, I didn't say anything about my prime not having problems.
Some people just have too much time to troll these forums. Usually means unemployed or unmarried. Quite frankley I could care less. If I wanted an IPAD I could buy one, in fact I could have bought about 9 with my last pay check but I much prefer my crappy useless transformer prime. Either way this thread will be shut down by tomorrow.
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I own a transformer 101, galaxy tab 10.1, xoom fe and a ipad 2.
Portable gaming has become very big! Alot of people like to game on the go... With that being said the GPU of future tablets should have some impressive portable gaming on the way.
You can find benchmark tests online that show that the SGX543MP2 is more capable than tegra 3s gpu. But how well does the tegra 3 really stack up against it? I would really like to know and compare which will be better for portable gaming.
What are your opinions on this? Does it matter to you that the next gen of andorid tablets seems to have a weaker GPU than a year old tablet? Or do you think the GPU in the prime will be great for tablet gaming for the next year?
Sure I game on my PC when im at home but when I am on the go I like to have a nice tablet device that can also play some killer games!
ILl be the first. WHO CARES! plus this is a redundant/repeat thread. Just because you put it in question form doesn't make it any different from the other thread. Members here already see you as trolling. Always talking about how this or that not better than ipad2. You the only one who sole reason for a tablet is gaming. Gaming is fine on the prime and can do way more than just play games. I play them also but not my main concern. Plus this new chipset is overall better than ipad2. The reviews showed it and several other members think so also.
So if you think you can convince members here to believe apple/ipad2 is better than Android, you lost. Talk about something intelligent for once other then friggn gaming. Most people have lives, work jobs. Gaming is only a hobby/pastime. You make it seem like all you do is gaming. Such focus on gaming must mean you are young or probably a teenager.
Project IRON FIST initiated . You are just so obvious at trolling about apple in an Android forum. At least be discreet about it.
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I knew your name looked familiar.
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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you gave me a thank for calling you a troll... uh.. mmk. ur just contradicting yourself. but fyi the processor makes a different in the gpu load and performance, everything put together does, ram included
Come on, give it a break already. There are already benchmarks out there. iPad 2 has faster GPU, while the Prime has a faster CPU.
I'm glad you are enjoying your iPad games, but most gamers are too busy playing Skyrim to care.
Oh? zedklind I thought you posted because you wanted a cookie...
You sure didnt have anything informative to say so I figured you just wanted a pat on the back or something, my bad...
Gaming on the Prime still looks very impressive
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-trans...games-bladeslinger-glowball-chidori-06200431/
I see in games that they offer more details in tegra 3 games than in ipad games. So developers of games think that tegra is faster and more capable.
Sent from me...
Thats is what I am hoping for, but i just hope that the android platform doesnt scare alot of developers away...
Being so easy to just download any .apk file and intall it (expecially when any android device can do this right out of the box stock) without having to pay anything for it isnt really going to bring in many top developers. I really hope ICS addresses this issue.
If they do fix the issue i see a birght future for tegra 3 and android, and it will mean lots of new great apps and games for us!
i was the first to make a thread about this but i still think graphics doesn't matter at all on tablets, theres only 1! game on the ipad2 that has graphics worthy of there GPU, and it doesnt sell nearly as well as any of the little crap games.
I hate any game on my ipad that had good graphics, they always figured a pretty picture was good enough. I had a jailbroken ipad so i played all the games, and the best and funnest games are always the well drawn games, the cartoony little games.
unless im missing the point here.
I think the point for me is that I am excited to get this device and I will probably casually play whatever games are developed for it. If those games are developed for this tablet in particular I assume they will work well with the hardware. If they don't, I won't buy them. This tablet will game. That much has been proven. Now let's see if anybody will develop anything for it.
On a lighter note, I personally don't need my tablet to be able to whip out its di..ahem...GPU and be bigger than everybody else's in the room. That said I don't want it to attempt that feat and end up with the tiniest little button peni...um GPU... in the room either. But we already know that isn't going to happen.
All that said I will just be happy to get a firm..ahem...solid...um..definite release date.
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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Like I said in the OP, at home i play on my gaming PC or gaming console but while I am at work or out of town I like to play games on my tablet, I would never expect my tablet to be on par with my gaming PC or 360... And lugging around a 360 or gaming PC everywhere I go would be a pain.
I'm talking about portable gaming devices... you know, psp,dsi,vita.
Most people (i assume) are getting the prime because it has the latest Nvidia tegra 3 GPU which is made for gaming, any other tablet can browse the web, watch movies or play music.
So far I am hearing good things about tegra 3 and its future that nvidia is working hard on. Now we just need more game developers and app developers. Nvidia did their part and now its up to google and ICS to make a good home for developers in the future.
And i dont want to show off that my tablet has a bigger dong than someone elses but rather I would like to know it has the latest and most future proof dong currently available. That way i dont have to go out and buy a new dong every year... :x
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
Synthetic benchmarks will never be useful to compare anything... Especially not on different OS platforms...
People need to get away from all this benchmark thing...
Btw I really doubt that there is a single game out there that maxes the Tegra 2. It's not about Tegra's lack of performance but about missing developers...
The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
The iPad 2 is more "futur proof" when it comes to games not because of performance but because of the plateform. There hardly won't be any game worthwhile that will be on Android but not on iOS. But there will be some games only on iOS.
The Tegra 3 is overall at the same level of performance than the A5 in the ipad2 but it doesn't means you can compare the two devices.
Tegra 3 is the most future proof you'll get for Android, nvidia is pushing games for it, you'll have exclusivity and games specifically design for it.
The real question is do you want iOS or Android ?
If your choice is base on games and games only (wich is weird because, honestly, games on mobile plateform aren't worth buying an expensive device only for them) then go for iOS, right now, that's where you'll get the best games.
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The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
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You can't compare Sense device to something else It's not their drivers or what it's just Sense overall...
Sense is the biggest piece of crap code i've ever seen And yet it's so beautiful and I don't want to miss it...
Just have a look at the smali code of for example Rosie... It's absolutely horrible There is not a single reason why this thing shouldn't be slow.
Even with a Tegra 3 (-->HTC Edge) Sense will be laggy
But yes, your point of view is correct. It all comes down to optimisation of the OS...
I hope ASUS put a lot more develoment time in ICS than they did with HC
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In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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I tried to make the same point before. There are hardly any ipad 2 optimized games only. They are all identical except for a few. Those few only have very minor upgrades. Nothing night and day different although ipad2 supposed to be 9x faster/more powerful.
I just hope developement for tegra3 picks up alot of support all across the board. We need more tablet only apps and games optimized for tegra3. I just heard ipad is getting microsoft office in feb. 2012. I really hope this comes to android also asap. Tegra3 has tons of potential. I really hope the developers take advantage of it and we see some high grade topnotch software.
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This is a normal usage test I was doing on both the tablets I got for early xmas gifts
Since I don't need two, I was trying to decide which one to keep.
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Transformer Prime is running on normal mode, full brightness (super ips mode off).
Both tablets are running the same version of GO Launcher EX and the same live wallpaper.
The Prime shipped with non-working GPS, a piece of dust inside the screen right above the docking port. It also has screen bleed that is very noticeable during boot screen and is some-what noticeable during normal use (its right above dock port on the status bar.).
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I recorded my experience on video.
http://youtu.be/-DGnI4Lx91M
Good show. Looks like $99 was a better deal so far... I'm sure once seven get their hands on the prime, she will sing. But HP isn't doing too bad for non native android running on it...
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think long term potential on the prime v. the touchpad especially when ICS and custom roms come out for the Prime..the Beast will be unleashed (quadcore to its full potential)
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Good luck finding a touchpad for 99 dollars :/
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Good luck finding a touchpad for 99 dollars :/
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That's the thing, the price comparison is rather disingenuous. If you managed to get one for that, it was an amazing deal and it'll be a long time before anything will beat it on value. But you can't go out to a store now and buy one, and that was never the intended price - a deal like that isn't likely to be coming around again any time soon.
It looks pretty competitive with the Prime on those tasks you showed, although there has to be some advantage running CM7 compared to the Prime's almost brand-new Honeycomb firmware; we'll have to see how the Prime develops with ICS and, hopefully, custom ROMs, as it surely has more power under the hood if it can bring that to bear.
Specific issues aside, I think a lot of the disappointment around this tablet is coming from those who already have a decent dual-core tablet (especially if it was bought at an unbelievably good price..!) and were expecting the Prime to be dramatically faster out of the box. It remains to be seen whether quad-core tablets will "age" slower than dual-core ones, as I've experienced on the desktop, but I consider the quad-core an investment in the future more than anything else. Quad-core SoCs will surely start to take over at the high-end in time, and then more optimisations will be made for them when they do. I wouldn't upgrade from this year's dual-cores to Tegra 3, though - those devices are still decent, and if you already have a good tablet it makes more sense to hang on to that at the moment and see what comes around next year.
Apples to Oranges. You're comparing an overclocked custom kernel, on a custom ROM (CM7...that is unmatched in speed by any and all stock ROMs out there), on a tablet bought at fire-sale prices...to the Prime purchased at full retail price, running a stock kernel/ROM, running an aftermarket launcher that's slower than pond water on the Prime (stock HC is light-years faster) and say the Prime doesn't measure up.
There is a serious issues of validity in your "experiment".
Edit: please don't try to take this as me blindingly defending the Prime. I'm just trying to keep invalid misinformation to be taken as "word of god" as it often happens on the internet.
seriously man, at this point im getting really sick of you, every thread you go in all you talk about is your damn touchpad and how crappy the prime is, if thats the case fine, sell the prime and keep your touchpad...but leave these forums and go troll in the touchpad one
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seriously man, at this point im getting really sick of you, every thread you go in all you talk about is your damn touchpad and how crappy the prime is, if thats the case fine, sell the prime and keep your touchpad...but leave these forums and go troll in the touchpad one
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i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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Just sell it and go to the Touchpad forums?
Look, I've got issues with my prime too. But we all know this comparison is a little bit sneaky. It's like taking an underpowered econo car that the dealership is trying to get rid of and throwing twin turbos on it - yup, it'll probably beat some high-powered coupes off the show room floor, and most of us might be happy with that. But deep down inside you know it's a pretty stupid comparison.
Just give the prime some time.
lol at this!
come on this is a blatant touchpad fan boy post.
having a CM7 custom ROM vs stock first revision of ROM on a tablet that's been out since last week.
lmao, so many people get butt hurt over it... (calm down, its just a side by side comparison of the two devices I have)
The bottom line is that the prime has 5 cores, the touchpad has 2 cores but according to setcpu its only using 1 of its cores.
And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
I decided to keep both devices. Touchpad for development and the prime for gaming (although right now it cannot play too many games, but im sure it will change in the future.).
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And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
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How do you know the Touchpad had very little issues? you bought it at $99, way late in the game. Ask the people who paid $499 for the 32GB when it first came out. Most of the original issues have been resolved over time. Search the web and see, the touchpad had many issues in its infancy. The Prime is in it's infancy but will grow up to be a great BIG BOY!
My Touchpad has many issues in both webOS and CM7.. CM7 alpha 3.5 was working fine but now it stutters and force closes a lot.. for the webOS.. the damn thing just keeps disconnecting from the my router at random times and the only way for me to get it working again is to reboot the Touchpad.. I got it for my son to play with but he's gotten frustrated with it and steals my Transformer to play with.
There are some issues and quirks I can live with. My son can do so as well. The Touchpad has issues that gets him too frustrated though and he's usually one to tell me anything can be fixed
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lmao, so many people get butt hurt over it... (calm down, its just a side by side comparison of the two devices I have)
The bottom line is that the prime has 5 cores, the touchpad has 2 cores but according to setcpu its only using 1 of its cores.
And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
I decided to keep both devices. Touchpad for development and the prime for gaming (although right now it cannot play too many games, but im sure it will change in the future.).
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Congratualtions, you successfully gimped the prime with go launcher.
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@OP how come my stock browser on prime is running fluid with just a settings mod and your touchcrap needs CM 7 with overclocked processor to achieve the same.
people are not but hurt you infantile.
your showing a highly custom ROM well into the devices launch when they had time to work on it verses a brand new tablet which has had zero time for devs to work on it.
Just sell your TP and then go with your touchpad....It's that plain and simple! Have a nice day and please stay out of the TP section
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Apples to Oranges. You're comparing an overclocked custom kernel, on a custom ROM (CM7...that is unmatched in speed by any and all stock ROMs out there), on a tablet bought at fire-sale prices...to the Prime purchased at full retail price, running a stock kernel/ROM, running an aftermarket launcher that's slower than pond water on the Prime (stock HC is light-years faster) and say the Prime doesn't measure up.
There is a serious issues of validity in your "experiment".
Edit: please don't try to take this as me blindingly defending the Prime. I'm just trying to keep invalid misinformation to be taken as "word of god" as it often happens on the internet.
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good points. plus I stopped watching his video after the opera mobile comparison. I counted down how long it took for each to first show something on page and then finish completely loading the page. his touchpad clearly showed it was the loser in that comparison. took almost double the time of prime to fully load that web page on his touchpad. prime was also faster on showing something from page on screen first. same with his Netflix comparison. I loved how he gave his touchpad a few seconds to load and start scrolling vs. the prime which he started scrolling immediately..lol. touchpad failed in that comparison also. even with him giving the touchpad a lil more time to load, prime still showed more on screen first and loaded movies up faster. the touchpad had a bunch of gray squares when first loaded and took longer to fully load all the movies on-screen. as far as his UI scrolling goes, looks to me that prime performed just fine. there where even instances on his touchoad where his taps or scrolls didn't immediately register and looked laggy. touchpad for 99 is a great deal, hands down. but its in no way competition to the prime, on any front.
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Prime touchpad blah blah blah... As far I can use the touchpad for all my task I want from a tablet and smooth. Who care about 5 core. I bet the ipad is best, because of the more than 10 cores lol.
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How do you know the Touchpad had very little issues? you bought it at $99, way late in the game. Ask the people who paid $499 for the 32GB when it first came out. Most of the original issues have been resolved over time. Search the web and see, the touchpad had many issues in its infancy. The Prime is in it's infancy but will grow up to be a great BIG BOY!
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Congratualtions, you successfully gimped the prime with go launcher.
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@OP how come my stock browser on prime is running fluid with just a settings mod and your touchcrap needs CM 7 with overclocked processor to achieve the same.
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people are not but hurt you infantile.
your showing a highly custom ROM well into the devices launch when they had time to work on it verses a brand new tablet which has had zero time for devs to work on it.
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Just sell your TP and then go with your touchpad....It's that plain and simple! Have a nice day and please stay out of the TP section
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all this is too funny. I will admit for only 99 that touchoad is a good device, it looks like. the comparisons to Prime though falls very short for several reasons.
Interesting article. ASUS is coming out with a TF700T with a higher resolution screen and it looks like they fixed the wireless issues by no longer hiding the antennas behind the aluminum case.
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-transformer-prime-tf700t-revealed-with-1080p-display-09207646/
The article says it uses the same dock as the TF201. It is also built on the same Tegra 3 quadcore 1.3GHz processor.
People are going to get mad that you posted this again.
But we've all seen it.
Stupid resolution for a tablet, they only did it to compete with the others. The battery will suck so hard.
For Example, Galaxy Nexus has one of the worse battery life due to its resolution, it isn't a good thing. The 1280x800 is good enough or perfect for a 10.1", if you want to watch a full hd movie or whatever you use bigger screens.
thats crazy i had no idea that this was even coming out, its only been posted on here 5,000+ times..
Stupid thread.
Get XDA to make a thread for the new TF700.. then you kids can play there..
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People are going to get mad that you posted this again.
But we've all seen it.
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Oh... didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I searched and didn't see any reference to it. Sorry for the dup post then.
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Oh... didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I searched and didn't see any reference to it. Sorry for the dup post then.
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haaa there are about 3-4 already and one is HUGE
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Stupid resolution for a tablet, they only did it to compete with the others. The battery will suck so hard.
For Example, Galaxy Nexus has one of the worse battery life due to its resolution, it isn't a good thing. The 1280x800 is good enough or perfect for a 10.1", if you want to watch a full hd movie or whatever you use bigger screens.
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The high PPI on the Galaxy Nexus makes it very comfortable to read small text. The lower PPI on the Prime was something I noticed immediately when I got it last week. I welcome the higher resolution.
Let me know how much you like it in 7 or so months, in which you've already bought a tablet that will be obsolete in a few more months later when Tegra 4 is released.
I hate they're not giving these other devices different names. If someone tells me they own a Asus Transformer Prime they could be talking about one of like 3 or 4 different devices. It's almost as bad as saying you own a Galaxy S2, which could refer to like 8-10 different phones, some with drastically different specs.
Will people stop freaking saying 'obsolete'? This new tablet doesn't make the TF201 obsolete, and even the TF101 isn't obsolete. All these tablets still perform magnificently, and just because people feel butthurt for dumb reasons doesn't magically turn a fantastic tablet into a crappy one.
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Same as the other thread....DPI
Gnexus : 316
Macbook : 132
Ipad2 : 132
Prime : 149
Why in the hell would you want more.... when the PC monitor your typing on is less.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density
Keep dreaming. Prime will easily kick the 700 a##. we will perform better. that device running higher resolution on same exact chipset n speed. only common since that at the Prime resolution performance will be alot faster n smoother and score higher on benches. with that higher resolution, the chipset has to work twice as hard.
WTF! Luckily I still have the receipt and is only one week old. I haven't even enjoyed it as I was busy catching up on work after the holidays.
I paid $600 for my 32gb and the new one will probably be priced along those lines with better specs. I'm returning mine. These companies are really stupid, no wonder they can't compete with Apple products. They just think sh#t up and dump them into the market, as many as they can make. Forget support or quality just dump it must be their new motto. Revenues is all they care about, to make their earnings report look good for stock holders.
They are just shooting themselves in the foot. Why would I want to pay more for their brand or product when I know they have very little regard for their own product, brand, quality and better yet their customers.
Sooner or later tablets will just be another appliance, so cheap that you can simply dispose of them when your're done with it. But, at current prices I'm not splurging just for a 3-4 month enjoyment tick. I need it for work and for at least 2 years.
Well I guess, Best Buy can take my sale out of their revenues this quarter
Love the hysteria guys.
Yep, a device that won't come out for 3-6 months makes the Prime OBSOLETE!
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Love the hysteria guys.
Yep, a device that won't come out for 3-6 months makes the Prime OBSOLETE!
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Especially since about the only difference is that stupid high resolution which I see as a disadvantage in this circumstance (same chipset). Oh and what sucks the most battery juice on these devices? The display. And double the pixels need double the power.
But i guess higher numbers are always better
At least the Transformer Prime is bullet proof with it's gun metal casing.
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Especially since about the only difference is that stupid high resolution which I see as a disadvantage in this circumstance (same chipset). Oh and what sucks the most battery juice on these devices? The display. And double the pixels need double the power.
But i guess higher numbers are always better
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Huh? That's only for OLED screens. Both the TF201 and the TF700 have the same backlight tech. Controller transistor count will be higher for the 700, but it won't take any more power.
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Huh? That's only for OLED screens. Both the TF201 and the TF700 have the same backlight tech. Controller transistor count will be higher for the 700, but it won't take any more power.
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are you 100% sure that ips monitors dont need any power for the pixels only for the backlight? Seems curious to me^^ Do you have a link to a tech site or something where i can read up on that?
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Love the hysteria guys.
Yep, a device that won't come out for 3-6 months makes the Prime OBSOLETE!
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For me its not the time frame that bus me, as I am trying my best to choose the best possible device for my hard earned bucks. And then keep it for 2 years or till it dies.
As the specs goes, there are very little difference performance wise.
1. 1080p viewing kind of useless unless android starts natively reading ntfs and ext4 formatted sdcards in order to load those large 4 Gig up movie files and play them without lag. Otherwise, you would have to apply hacks and just view your own recorded 1080p video clips.
2. Fixes for wifi and gps issues are pretty strong arguments for someone to wait or choose another brand.
As I mentioned in my previous post, its all about revenues for these tech companies. They don't even bother fixing the problems of POS products they put out. They just build a new model and ask you to pay for it again. Or you can return it now and be willing to wait for 6 months till the new model comes out because you really love their brand. By then, the new model will have new problems as well for sure.
at a higher price n much later into the year first release, its not worth it. by the time theism finally comes out, the New official nvidia tegra chipset will be out. Asus will have a new tablet already with this new nvidia chipset St same time or days after A700 release. you will even be more pissed off cuz u payed more for it than we did for prime. plus prime will be way ahead developement wise. you can have the a700. My Prime is Sick!
I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. EDIT: Just talked with Amazon, they won't extend my return period. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it. And I was hoping for a fix for WiFi before I had to return it.)
My WiFi throughput is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Why go back to an older model?
Though I suffer a random reboot maybe once a day, I plan to keep my prime to see what the Asus team says.
However, I do plan on buying my wife *cough* more for me prob *cough* the Toshiba Excite X10 when that comes out later in the month. That one looks real interesting as well IMO.
Prime or nothing.
I would not buy another Tegra 2 today. Prime is much better.
Why go back to an older model?
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Because it works?
Why go back to an older model?
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Because it works?
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Exactly!
Ride525 said:
I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it.)
My WiFi is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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Prime or nothing.
I would not buy another Tegra 2 today. Prime is much better.
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Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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People are always fixated on what is on the paper so since the Prime has better specs, people just bow down to it and try and look past its widely discussed flaws. How well did that work for the Philadelphia Eagles this past football season?
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No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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That is COMPLETELY wrong. Completely. There are Tegra 3 optimized games.
First of all there is Glowball, something NO Tegra 2 tablet can run.
Secondly, when you play games like Shawdowrun HD, Riptide, and Shinerunner the quality of graphics is improved on Tegra 3 devices.
Even better, in the Tegra Zone there is a pile of stereoscopic 3D games that will play in 3D on a 3D TV if you hook up your Prime. Just last night I was playing Riptide in 3D on my Samsung 3D plasma, something NO Tegra 2 device can do.
Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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Bull. The Tegra 2 sucks. Outright sucks.
First of all, the GPU is too weak for the resolution of Android tablets. Even with Tegra 2 games the Prime plays the games MUCH smoother. Tegra 2's GPU was meant for WVGA resolutions not 720p+. The Tegra 2 is SPANKED by not only the Tegra 3 but also the Mali in the SGS2 and the iPad 2' GPU.
Simply put, if you want smooth gameplay, Tegra 2 is simply not a good option.
Then there are the other problems with Tegra 2- NO high profile h264 support (so FORGET playing mkvs in hardware mode), NO NEON support (when MANY apps optimize for NEON because quite simply every other major SoC- including Tegra 3- has NEON support), and a lower per-core clockspeed.
I can understand someone not wanting the Prime because of issues, but lets not pretend the original is something it is not.
Buying a TF101 today is like buying a freaking brand new Pentium D desktop- it was fine in its day but nowadays the alternatives are MAGNITUDES faster. In particular, the Prime is at least three times faster than the TF101.
The better solution is to wait for other Tegra 3 tablets. Pretending Tegra 2 is still a good value in 2012 doesn't help anyone. There is a reason Tegra 2 ended up being the low-end of the last generation of dual-core SoCs.
its that aluminum case thats messing it up they should of just made it out of plastic and stop trying to be to damn flashy
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the older prime is TRASH check these out http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-tablets-2012-49160/
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I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. EDIT: Just talked with Amazon, they won't extend my return period. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it. And I was hoping for a fix for WiFi before I had to return it.)
My WiFi throughput is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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If anyone feels so strongly that they should get an original Transformer, then I'm ready to sell mine (along with its dock). It's in good shape and works fine (for a Tegra 2-based tablet). Personally, I much prefer using my Prime, and so if you're set on buying an OG Transformer and want to save a few bucks, then PM me and let me know how much you're willing to pay for the privilege.
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If anyone feels so strongly that they should get an original Transformer, then I'm ready to sell mine (along with its dock). It's in good shape and works fine (for a Tegra 2-based tablet). Personally, I much prefer using my Prime, and so if you're set on buying an OG Transformer and want to save a few bucks, then PM me and let me know how much you're willing to pay for the privilege.
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Nice infomercial.
If people are looking for alternates or something to hold them over until something different comes out there are two deals going on now...
1) Staples is discontinuing the OG Zoom and selling them for $249. Accessories are 75% off too. It has ICS. It's only available in store and they're hard to find.
2) Costco has the 16GB G-Tab w/rebate in-store only for $389. That includes the OEM Samsung case.
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the older prime is TRASH check these out http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-tablets-2012-49160/
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Oh, my, the yet-to-be-released Transformer Prime TF700T is the "Best Overall" tablet of 2012? A bit premature, I would say....
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If people are looking for alternates or something to hold them over until something different comes out there are two deals going on now...
1) Staples is discontinuing the OG Zoom and selling them for $249. Accessories are 75% off too. It has ICS. It's only available in store and they're hard to find.
2) Costco has the 16GB G-Tab w/rebate in-store only for $389. That includes the OEM Samsung case.
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Amazon has the 16GB OG Transformer for $349. Best Buy has the 32 GB version for $399.
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No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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The Prime is WAY better for video decoding as it supports NEON instructions
I like my prime a lot better then my tf101... Like pretty much every new android device I have ever had phones including the first 3 to 8 months of its life is buggy until the developers work it all out, they are slow. The original tf101 was also plagued with issues when it first released and honestly still has some. I sold mine to a friend for 200 a couple weeks ago. It should be getting ICS this month so it should get better...should...
But even my phones that are android based have all had their problems. The best ones are the ones that got a good open source developer making custom roms that work great. I am running a vibrant and a mytouch with custom roms and they are awesome. I cant wait till Asus releases the bootloader unlocked.
There is sooo much you can do with software man. I'm amazed how good the prime runs right now. Its the first tegra3 quad core device (drivers will get much better) and its one of the first ICS devices, which also isnt perfect yet. The bootloader will be unlocked soon...
Yes the aluminum case isnt optimal for radio signals. But in my case all radio related stuff works just fine (even GPS when i'm outside - i get a fix in under 1min). What i want to say there are some hardware limitations but overall i'm sure in 6months EVERY aspect of the Prime will be much improved.
I witnessed that on my past 2 phones. You should compare my DHD from when I first bought it with stock&branded Froyo/Sense 2.0 firmware, to now with a Custom rom and Gingerbread 2.3.5/Sense 3.5. Its like a completely new phone. Battery life is almost doubled for example.
But the OP is right. If you want a device with good software you should not buy a completely new device. But does that justify buying an older phone/tablet? For me i dont think so. I think its much better to look for popular devices that will likely have a big community and many devs. And of course are unlockable. Thats why i know the Prime is an awesome device. I'm sure devs will do great things with it
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That is COMPLETELY wrong. Completely. There are Tegra 3 optimized games.
First of all there is Glowball, something NO Tegra 2 tablet can run.
Secondly, when you play games like Shawdowrun HD, Riptide, and Shinerunner the quality of graphics is improved on Tegra 3 devices.
Even better, in the Tegra Zone there is a pile of stereoscopic 3D games that will play in 3D on a 3D TV if you hook up your Prime. Just last night I was playing Riptide in 3D on my Samsung 3D plasma, something NO Tegra 2 device can do.
Bull. The Tegra 2 sucks. Outright sucks.
First of all, the GPU is too weak for the resolution of Android tablets. Even with Tegra 2 games the Prime plays the games MUCH smoother. Tegra 2's GPU was meant for WVGA resolutions not 720p+. The Tegra 2 is SPANKED by not only the Tegra 3 but also the Mali in the SGS2 and the iPad 2' GPU.
Simply put, if you want smooth gameplay, Tegra 2 is simply not a good option.
Then there are the other problems with Tegra 2- NO high profile h264 support (so FORGET playing mkvs in hardware mode), NO NEON support (when MANY apps optimize for NEON because quite simply every other major SoC- including Tegra 3- has NEON support), and a lower per-core clockspeed.
I can understand someone not wanting the Prime because of issues, but lets not pretend the original is something it is not.
Buying a TF101 today is like buying a freaking brand new Pentium D desktop- it was fine in its day but nowadays the alternatives are MAGNITUDES faster. In particular, the Prime is at least three times faster than the TF101.
The better solution is to wait for other Tegra 3 tablets. Pretending Tegra 2 is still a good value in 2012 doesn't help anyone. There is a reason Tegra 2 ended up being the low-end of the last generation of dual-core SoCs.
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Tegra 2 really is pathetic. My Galaxy Note has the 1.4ghz Exynos which simply wrecks the Tegra 2 in terms of SoC performance.
Ride525 said:
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Why would you want to support Asus by getting the TF101 when they refuse to admit there is a problem with the Prime? Until they fix the issue with the Prime, we all should stop purchasing Asus products (at least their tablets) and send them a message.
sirnice said:
Why would you want to support Asus by getting the TF101 when they refuse to admit there is a problem with the Prime? Until they fix the issue with the Prime, we all should stop purchasing Asus products (at least their tablets) and send them a message.
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Well, I know what Asus knows there is a WiFi problem. And that Asus is working to fix it.
I'm just looking to get the best tablet for me. I thought that might be the Prime, but the WiFi is definitely weaker than other tablets I've checked.
xceebeex said:
People are always fixated on what is on the paper so since the Prime has better specs, people just bow down to it and try and look past its widely discussed flaws. How well did that work for the Philadelphia Eagles this past football season?
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Hey, yo, why you have to take a shot at my Eagles in a thread about a tablet??
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
With that said, the TP has been out for about seven months now, and the SIII has only been out for a couple of weeks. The logical progression of things like this is that new top-end devices will always be faster than old top-end devices. The TP hasn't stopped being an excellent device that shines in its own right, but it will be considered an antique in a couple of years.
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Never followed up to say thanks for your opinion. I just wish Asus would put the effort into their hardware as apple does.
Anyway, I love my Prime but rarely use it anymore, now that I have my Galaxy s2, and an i3 Dell laptop to tether to my phone.
Besides my white s2 looks majestic compared to.....whatever they want to call that s3 design
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cragains said:
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
almightywhacko said:
New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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Word!
Also minor changes are made to the interface of Android. Companies should focus on making their devices more unique than powerful. I used to make fun of iphone owners by saying that the interface (which seems to be designed by a 5-year-old) has not changed since the first iphone. But now I guess the same can be said about android phones. If google is not willing to make bold changes, mobile makers should take the first steps and do it.
You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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So... can I say that iOS is crap too because of fake multitasking, lack of homescreen, ripping off the notification centre, lack of customisability and only dual-core CPU? Similarly, can I also say the iPad is crap because it's overpriced, evolutionary rather than revolutionary jump from iPad 2 to iPad 3, only a 5MP camera, heavier than the Prime, thicker than the Prime, no 600nit display, no official keyboard dock, no storage expansion options and overpriced accessories?
Really? We have to revert back to another ipad vs. Transfner Prime thread? I thought these silly arguments were over with.
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I was going to write a long post about how the prime is over a doubling period old and its still one of the top contenders but i realized its useless.
Why complain that a device thats over 6 months old isnt the best on the market? Especially when it was overrated and still has lots of problems
Also consider samsung's reputation in making high end devices. Their quad core tablet will, i expect, out perform the prime or the 700 with ease, mind you without the fancy accessories.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother...
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Here's a direct link to the forum with fotos http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056677034 . How they can claim it's a fault of the carmount and heater I don't know, must be very heat sensitive.
Looks like it fried near where the 3g/4g antennas are, perhaps a poor connection? Aparently samsung took the phone for testing, will be watching this topic closely since im interested in geting a SGS3 when the prices come down.
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The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Snapdragon S2 and S3 use the Scorpion core, which takes some of the best features of both Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 ARM core designs and brings them into a single ARM core....
Snapdragon S4 uses the Krait core, which takes the best features of the Cortex-A9 and the Cortex-A15 ARM core designs with a much better manufacturing process to produce smaller chips that are far more power efficient and deliver amazing amounts of performance compared to its competitors (which are Cortex-A9 based). This is why dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices can go toe to toe with the quad-core Tegra 3 and Exynos 4 on the CPU front.
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This is a quote from http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/ . It kind of stings a little to see the dual core s4 beating my Prime in benchmarks with half the cores, but that is technology and I'm still happy with my prime.
As far as comparing the speed of the S2 to the S3, the S3 should be a very noticeable difference. A15 is much better than A9 AND Qualcomm has a license to develop their own ARM CPU cores. Also, the S2 will have half the RAM of the S3. I don't feel like that is "slightly less"
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
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Really? Tell me more about it, I'm using Transformer Prime and Galaxy S3 international version.
fordwolden said:
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
It doesn't matter what scores benchmarking apps like Antutu shows, my Prime scores a 13k while my S3 scores 11.9k. It's more to being able to do what it's suppose to do, not crashing and more Force Crashes or having Severe lag while transfering files within the system.
S3 didn't kill the TF201, ASUS just failed to deliver what TF201 is meant to be.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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I don't think I can really draw a comparison between these two at all. It's different then apples and oranges, it's like an avocado and a rump roast.
The exploding GS3 doesn't tell me much, it's an extreme case and I don't know what other variables are thrown in the mix. Regardless of benchmark scores, I'm very happy with my prime. Is the quality better than that of the ipad? No, not at all in my opinion. But I didn't buy it to compare to my ipad, I bought it to play with and I have A LOT of fun with it building and modding and tweaking.