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I am not familiar with android os, so i wanted to ask people who have some knowledge behind it a question.
What do you see improving with the thunderbolt when gingerbread gets released?
Do you think the thunderbolt will be able to improve its chances to still stand out against the dual-core phones with the help of 2.3?
I love my thunderbolt, it is my very first Android OS device and i am glad to be an early adopter of the 4g LTE network, i do personally feel that i put myself in a rough position because i chose a phone with a single core. Should i feel this way?
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No, single core is great.
1. Apps must be written to utilize dual core (the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, which is much faster than needed)
2. Any phone you buy will be outdated in terms of current technology within 6 months. (Don't compare to other technology. Compare to apps you want to run. There are no foreseeable apps the thunderbolt can't run well)
Imho, dual core is currently just a gimmick to attract buyers and I don't think it will be necessary to own one for about 2 years.
I've used the attic, compared to thunderbolt you can't even notice a speed difference.
As for the usual bionic/thunderbolt debate. I believe the Ram is more important then dual core ATM. And if the bionic really only has 512, the thunderbolt will do perfectly fine stacked against it.
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gregdalfonso said:
the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, aka the same speed as 1ghz dual core
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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i've played with an Atrix before the TB came out. The dual core did nothing for it. My TB is noticeably faster than the Atrix was. Plus ATT 4G service is a joke.
As far as differences between 22 and 23, check this out:
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-android-2-2-froyo-and-android-2-3-gingerbread/
Probably not alot to to write home about, but i def like the gingerbread keyboard over the froyo keyboard.
Ive never seen a dual core referred to as the speed of the 2 cores added. Every dual core I've heard of refers to the speed of the individual processors. ie, all the new ones (tegra 2, exynos, evo 3d snapdragon) have 2 cores each at 1 ghz
Leading to the equation:
2 x 1 ghz cores != 1 x 2 ghz core != 2 x 500 mhz cores
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Lol, no he meant the quad cores processors coming out like the Tegra 3.
He said quad core not quadrant scores.
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You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
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Totally agree Roger. The real problem with dual core is Android software is not written to take full advantage of both cores. This was evident when I had a chance to play with my friends LG Optimus 2X. FPS was fantastic on nenamark averaging just below 80. All games in the Tegra zone played great. However, when it came to day to day stuff it lagged. For example, sometimes it took two swipes for the screen to register a touch. Web pages with heavy flash had awful load times.
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
and As for Quad Cores and Dual Cores, Im Loving the Battery life they are gonna bring to us. The Point isn't just performance but also low Energy Usage.
papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Win indeed sir. I'm a VZW employee and can upgrade every 9 months
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Can you imagine the epic tears that will flow for quad core battery issues?
... just sayin'
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
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And while applications might not be specifically written for dual core, the OS is. That alone provides some improvement.
But whatever. Our processor will be fine for quite some time.
And correct, a 1GHz dual core runs at 2x1GHz, not 2x500Mhz
Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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As for the OP, I don't think enough improvements from 2.2-2.3 are going to be done to make it the same as an optimized dual core. Also, I don't think stock HTC Sense 2.3 will have much of a visual difference than stock 2.2 Sense. Once the 2.3 update comes out, I'll probably still stick with a custom ROM that is 2.2 until the 2.3 custom ROM's come out.
What I hope that HTC fixes is the GPS issues. The "fix" that is in the development forum (turning off Google Location Services) has worked wonders for me, but I'm hoping HTC just fixes it in a firmware or software update sometime in the future.
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Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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Gb is reportedly hitting thunderbolt in q2!
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for better dual core support now shows both cores
Thanks for the heads up, and but is it optimize for gingerbread now?
I just noticed my first core is just running at 740 mhz and the first seems off, I remember the OG evo always would run at 800mhz plus
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
SystemPanel Lite was not updated however
I don't use it enough to justify buying it, so I guess I'll wait and see if they update the free version.
Thanks
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Will have to load up and check it out. I bought it when I had my OG Evo but stopped using it, it was kind of a hog so I switched to Watchdog. (*Watchdog doesn't show nearly the detail as CP) We have plenty of headroom on the 3VO so I will give it a whirl again.
Thanks for the headsup!
It show the second core dead for the most part anyone else see this? It will move the second core when I wake the phone but thats about it.
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On my Xoom it shows both cores playing together.
zone23 said:
It show the second core dead for the most part anyone else see this? It will move the second core when I wake the phone but thats about it.
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On my Xoom it shows both cores playing together.
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Xoom doesn't have asynchronous cores. The cores on the 3D only activate when needed. They operate independently, so the second core will only be running when it needs to be.
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Xoom doesn't have asynchronous cores. The cores on the 3D only activate when needed. They operate independently, so the second core will only be running when it needs to be.
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Lame...
LOL
zone23 said:
Lame...
LOL
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Hey zone23 i know the you develop roms coming from the OG evo myself, you think it will be a way to make both run side by side, and I mean that phone is speedy but just wondering
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
System Panel Lite just updated for me and now shows the second core.
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Hey zone23 i know the you develop roms coming from the OG evo myself, you think it will be a way to make both run side by side, and I mean that phone is speedy but just wondering
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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That is something that I want an answer to as well..imagine the speed this thing would have if we could.open up both cores..then we could show the gs2 what's what ..
http://sourceforge.net/projects/photon4g.motorola/files/PHOTON-4G/4.5.1A-1_SUN-154/
Time to do work.
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I have never been more happier for any kernel source release than I am right now, this is freakin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's show those 3vo guys just how badass this phone really is!!
Time to kick some ass fellas!!
-DJ
Woot woot. And this does have to do with development Now for some undervolting and overclocking!
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Nice!
This is going to be freakin awesome !!!
Holy Crap I am so glad I signed on before bed!
Thats wat up now Motorola can get back to how they were before now they let samsung and htc steal the shine im a moto-guy since droid 1 hell the razor but now its on
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Lets just see what kind overclocks you guys can get. I'm thinking 1.4-1.6
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I'm more excited about battery savings from underclocking
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I'm more excited about battery savings from underclocking
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That's good I underclock my nexus or run oxygen rom if Im going to have a busy day out where I won't be near a charger but everybody knows the real competition comes from the overclock and test scores
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Think I've seen the asus transformer to 1.5 ghz. Thats tegra 2 also.
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I'm more interested in undervolting, and other tweaks, in order to keep performance at same clock speed.
However, once in Webtop mode, I'll take any overclocking and nitro my phone can withstand for relatively longer, continuous sessions.
Before we bust a nut, is it confirmed the package includes kernel source ?
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I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
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I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
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My nexus is at 1.4 steady min and Max. Lol I want pure performance. I'm hitting 3800 quadrant 34 mflops
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Nerorising said:
I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
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Im pretty sure it can
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My Iconia tab has the same processor and can overclock to 1,646,000. I run it at 1,400,000 and it's completely stable.
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My Iconia tab has the same processor and can overclock to 1,646,000. I run it at 1,400,000 and it's completely stable.
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So its safe to say it should 99.9% sure hit at least 1.6 ghz not bad, not bad at all
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Jorge330823 said:
So its safe to say it should 99.9% sure hit at least 1.6 ghz not bad, not bad at all
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But isn't the ATRIX a tegra 2? They have yet to get it stable at 1.2 ghz from what I can see. But I see the XOOM at 1.5....strange
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phyba said:
But isn't the ATRIX a tegra 2? They have yet to get it stable at 1.2 ghz from what I can see. But I see the XOOM at 1.5....strange
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And that dude a post up from mine had his at 1.4 stable. I think its just an atrix issue. Not the processor.
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Jorge330823 said:
And that dude a post up from mine had his at 1.4 stable. I think its just an atrix issue. Not the processor.
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Yea. Its just weird because the g2x is at 1.5 as well. I wonder if its safe to say that the photon will be able to match it
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Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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because moto blur takes up more processing power ALSO the the photon has a 1ghz dual core and teh e4gt has a 1.2 ghz dual core. same ram i believe... but honestly until internet speeds are crazy increaded and battery life is maximized idc they all run around the same speed imo.
I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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I think it's software Optimization.
Its almost the same spec,and maybe our photon dont use its full power to conserve battery? Like shut down one core or something?
another viewpoint its the drivers.
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Motorola has qHD resolution, so the gpu has to push 25% more pixels.
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Isn't g2x stock vanilla android? That makes a world of difference
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I thought it used hummingbird processor
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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The MoPho runs circles around the POS!
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Gh0zt718 said:
Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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One of the things that throws of the result is the nonstandard resolution of the Photon. This odd screen size requires scaling be used to run most benchmarks full screen. On an unscaled Smartbench run the scores are much higher than scaled and are fairly close to the GSII NVidia.
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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There are three different CPU's used in the GSII (NVidia, Samsung, Qualcomm). The benchmarks vary with the Qualcomm being the bottom of the list.
Anyone know when nova 3 comes out for android already out on os
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may 17
Just an educated guess, but I seriously doubt you would be able to run it smoothly on the galaxy player, as mc3 pushes it, and Nova 3 looks alot more demanding than even that. It doesn't really run on the iPod touch 4g, though, so it would be nice to rub it in their faces
I am personally wanting to get asphalt 7. Can't wait for either!
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It will probably arrive roughly at the end of the month
Mc3 runs perfect on mine and never knew there was an asphalt 7.
It should run good with a bit lags though
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j21098 said:
Mc3 runs perfect on mine and never knew there was an asphalt 7.
It should run good with a bit lags though
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Asphalt 7: heat is supposedly coming out this month. Mc3 runs pretty smooth on mine, but I am used to ps3 gaming, so even slight drops in framerate annoy me! I am what they call a "frameratephile" (actually just coined that word)!
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iJimaniac said:
Asphalt 7: heat is supposedly coming out this month. Mc3 runs pretty smooth on mine, but I am used to ps3 gaming, so even slight drops in framerate annoy me! I am what they call a "frameratephile" (actually just coined that word)!
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It doesn't really doesn't matter to me
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I was gonna say exactly the same... all gameloft games runs perfect on my gp5 so i'm expecting nova 3 this friday and max payne mobile someday...
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It doesn't really doesn't matter to me
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So what your saying is it "does" matter to you? lol
I highly doubt that it will run smoothly on the player, the newer are probably optimized for Tegra 3, Adreo 22x, and Mali 400. I was playing Zenonia 4 and that lags on Gingerbread, so I would assume that Nova 3 would be even more laggier than that.
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I highly doubt that it will run smoothly on the player, the newer are probably optimized for Tegra 3, Adreo 22x, and Mali 400. I was playing Zenonia 4 and that lags on Gingerbread, so I would assume that Nova 3 would be even more laggier than that.
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Agreed.
I'm currently experimenting with overclocking the gpu in the kernel. The powervr sgx540 is clocked at 200mhz, but the same chip is clocked at a higher speed in the galaxy nexus. (I think 400mhz?)
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klin1344 said:
Agreed.
I'm currently experimenting with overclocking the gpu in the kernel. The powervr sgx540 is clocked at 200mhz, but the same chip is clocked at a higher speed in the galaxy nexus. (I think 400mhz?)
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Google clocked it to 307MHz in the GN(according to posters over there), I would love to have 307MHz or 384MHz if possible...I know ICS will really benefit since they made everything HW accelerated. And I suspect that over players will need newer drivers, because I doubt the Nexus S & i9k use the same drivers currently.
klin1344 said:
Agreed.
I'm currently experimenting with overclocking the gpu in the kernel. The powervr sgx540 is clocked at 200mhz, but the same chip is clocked at a higher speed in the galaxy nexus. (I think 400mhz?)
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How are you going to overclock the GPU? Manually? Or is there an app for that?
ZaIINN said:
How are you going to overclock the GPU? Manually? Or is there an app for that?
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By modifying the kernel source.
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ZaIINN said:
So what your saying is it "does" matter to you? lol
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lol I didn't notice when I typed that I meant to say it doesn't matter
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rafa6571 said:
I was gonna say exactly the same... all gameloft games runs perfect on my gp5 so i'm expecting nova 3 this friday and max payne mobile someday...
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Max Payne should be out by this month it came out for os in April
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Look at this
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Look at this
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It's laggy on a SGSII, so it would be like half of that on our device...
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It's laggy on a SGSII, so it would be like half of that on our device...
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Maybe is an early build of the game...
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Maybe is an early build of the game...
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I think the lag is from the bloom, and DOF(depth of field) effects, I would recommend a game like that be played on an iPad3 or Tegra 3.