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Hey guys i have a question here, when the evo 3d was announced by htc they say it has 3d camera which will be awesome to play with. 1080p 24fps and 720p 3d 30fps but the sensation has 1080p with 30fps. Why? will there be any major difference while recording 1080p between 24fps and 30fps??
adrian_nene16 said:
will there be any major difference while recording 1080p between 24fps and 30fps??
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The difference will be 6fps
Only thing coming to mind is NTSC video plays at 24 frames a second and PAL video at high 29 fps... The Sensation a non usa phone, right?
Correct. As long as its smooth, doesn't shutter/skip, I'm happy.
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Lol yeah, what i tried to ask was if sensation could play smoother video than evo 3d since it has slightly more fps.
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Only thing coming to mind is NTSC video plays at 24 frames a second and PAL video at high 29 fps... The Sensation a non usa phone, right?
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The Sensation will be launch on june in the states by T-Mobile.
Rydah805 said:
Correct. As long as its smooth, doesn't shutter/skip, I'm happy.
I know! HTC has improved the lenses they use for the cameras, thunderbolt is one of them for example
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Only thing coming to mind is NTSC video plays at 24 frames a second and PAL video at high 29 fps... The Sensation a non usa phone, right?
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You got those backwards. Plus I thought it was said at first that the Evo would shoot 1080/30p. I don't think anybody, even HTC, knows the finalized specs yet.
I 1080p on my phone.... wont it drain the battery?
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Lots of misinformation in this thread.. NTSC is displayed at 29.97 frames/second, PAL is 25, and neither of them have anything to do with the recording framerates mentioned here (30 vs 24).
30 (interlaced or progressive) will basically give you the "soap opera" look, it's the reason video looks like video, where film looks like film-- film is traditionally recorded at 23.97 fps PROGRESSIVE, which is largely responsible for that hard to quantify difference between the look of a show on television and the look of something you shot with your handycam.
The two framerates here are a product of these conventions, and a bit of a gimmick for a phone IMO but hey, more features are more features.
drbadass said:
Lots of misinformation in this thread.. NTSC is displayed at 29.97 frames/second, PAL is 25, and neither of them have anything to do with the recording framerates mentioned here (30 vs 24).
30 (interlaced or progressive) will basically give you the "soap opera" look, it's the reason video looks like video, where film looks like film-- film is traditionally recorded at 23.97 fps PROGRESSIVE, which is largely responsible for that hard to quantify difference between the look of a show on television and the look of something you shot with your handycam.
The two framerates here are a product of these conventions, and a bit of a gimmick for a phone IMO but hey, more features are more features.
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So the Evo should have a better 1080 vid capture?
Thanks for the info BTW... will definitely watch for this when purchasing a phone now.
Maedhros said:
So the Evo should have a better 1080 vid capture?
Thanks for the info BTW... will definitely watch for this when purchasing a phone now.
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Happy to help. Generally speaking, yes, based on the fact that the 23.97 framerate (Commonly referred to as 24p) is preferable so by extension it would be better to have the option and use it if you can.
Do i hear tweaks?
The stats on this phone are amazing but we all know HTC likes to give us something to do
In other words, theres a chance it can be 1080p 30fps. I only own a HTC Fuze, but someone got this camera working alot better then HTC gave it to us.
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Happy to help. Generally speaking, yes, based on the fact that the 23.97 framerate (Commonly referred to as 24p) is preferable so by extension it would be better to have the option and use it if you can.
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Yeah, if it's only an option, and not limited to it. I'd much prefer 30 fps over 24.
adrian_nene16 said:
Hey guys i have a question here, when the evo 3d was announced by htc they say it has 3d camera which will be awesome to play with. 1080p 24fps and 720p 3d 30fps but the sensation has 1080p with 30fps. Why? will there be any major difference while recording 1080p between 24fps and 30fps??
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Sprint confirmed there's no 1080p on the Evo 3D
Dark Mage66 said:
Sprint confirmed there's no 1080p on the Evo 3D
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Wow thanks for.that..I've been waiting on that answer for the two months since this.thread started
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Wow thanks for.that..I've been waiting on that answer for the two months since this.thread started
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HA! You sir, have made my day.
@Dark Mage66
Did you really revive an old thread like this to say that? I mean, you had to DIG for this thing, right?
He must of been on page 59 or so..need a backhoe to dig that deep..
Hey guys, simple question really...
since it was proved that the sensation and evo hardware are mostly similar
so whats keeping us from shooting 1080p video ?
I THINK it has to do with having two cameras. I'm not 100% sure.
BUT that's not very important. Recording 1080p on your cellphone is just foolish. File sizes would be through the roof and the difference in quality is not THAT big from what I've seen. It's just more pixels.
I think it was just a tradeoff, 3D for 1080p. I believe the Gnex can do 1080p with its 5MP shooter, so I doubt the 5MP cameras we have are to blame.
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Even when it can do 720p, it's not even that good...
Sensation's camera looks much better than ours.
I dont think its the dual sensor thingy..
cuz all camera applications work with no problems so far..
Yeah lots of phones are able to do that with a 5mp cam.. thats what made me wonder in the first place
and I know its 1080p is too much
as for me I dont even use 720p
but I just want to know why we cant ...
It could be done EVO 3d camera takes better pics then Samsung epic can. All about the lighting and clean lens.
Just need a kernel and code for it..
i dont want to be the debbie downer(wommpppp woooooommpp) here but I have never understood shooting 1080p with such a small/crap sensor anyway. The quality would still suck. I believe this applies to all phones. Maybe when new sensor tech comes out but now, its just a marketing number.
camera driverers are kernel related. you would need to write a new driver, new app, pretty much rebuild the camera functions from scratch. it is possible, but an ass load of work and like somebody else mentioned, its a phone, and few phones, including this one, have the hardware quality (because it is much more than just size of sensors) to make it worth while. not like it will have gopro quality ever...
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It could be done EVO 3d camera takes better pics then Samsung epic can. All about the lighting and clean lens.
Just need a kernel and code for it..
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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Oh just playing with the epic 4g in sprint I could see the camera absolutely raped my evo 3d
just hate the fact they lied about it at first ya know . Just saw 720p on a friends et4g WOW!!!
I would settle for that 720p any day lol
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Having owned both, I have to strongly disagree with that statement.
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I'm protesting flashing until CM9 drops for the Evo 3D!!!
again having owned both. epic touch camera did in fact rape my Evo 3D. owned them both side by side. shot the same scene with each phone and viewed the results on my laptop.
that bring said. that was about the only thing I liked over the e3d. the et4g still wreaked of Samsung and their lack of overall build quality. the earpiece was terrible, the screen was not as responsive, the screen was low resolution, just utterly **** overall.
only other thing I thought was decent was the battery life. I got a solid day out of it.
The video quality is limited by how fast the memory card can save data. To save 1080p on a low end memory card would require a huge amount of data to be compressed in real time, which would both be difficult to do resource wise and also significantly lower the video quality.
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The video quality is limited by how fast the memory card can save data. To save 1080p on a low end memory card would require a huge amount of data to be compressed in real time, which would both be difficult to do resource wise and also significantly lower the video quality.
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yes, and to ad to what Haus is saying, and he knows this already, so it's for the OP, the disk write speed is only one factor out of the several that go into making this possible.
There are image processing limits that are hardware related to the EVO 3D, and let's be serious just about anything that is a cell phone, that would make shooting in true HD simply a waste of space and dev time. that fact of it is that you cannot make the light sensors, image sensors, and glass, in the camera any better. Sure, like i said you could built new drivers, basically engineer/re-engineer the firmware to make 1080p happen, but just would do you any good. you are still limited by the device's hardware.
it would still look like **** compared to a go pro or REAL camera. lol
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cobraboy85 said:
it would still look like **** compared to a go pro or REAL camera. lol
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WHAT!? My EVO 3D pwns the GO PRO _any day_ !!!!
Hi guys,
I'd love to have read some users' impressions about SGS3 video recording quality, specially if there is any stutter, or focus bump. Is its technology so good that it can be compared to a camcorder or video-reflex in some way? Thanks a lot
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Hi guys,
I'd love to have read some users' impressions about SGS3 video recording quality, specially if there is any stutter, or focus bump. Is its technology so good that it can be compared to a camcorder or video-reflex in some way? Thanks a lot
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it is just amazing. I was playing around with video today and in day light is just perfect and in indoor lighting out is really good too. The picture quality is so so so good.
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it is just amazing...
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Thanks for the feedback!
Really useable vid camera, seems a lot crisper than my s2 was, plus whilst videoing
u can snap great pictures at the same time
i am very happy with it.
on the whole the camera seems to blur the crossover between dedicated point and shoots and phones. if i really need a good shot then i'll bring an DSLR but for all other stuff this will do fine.
It works great, but the video is very compressed. Could be better if compressed less I guess. Pictures are very good, when it is bright enough. The flash (LED) is very powerfull!
Does anyone with s3 also have a one series I was thinking about getting the one s but might just wait for white s3
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tarzanug said:
It works great, but the video is very compressed. Could be better if compressed less I guess. Pictures are very good, when it is bright enough. The flash (LED) is very powerfull!
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Uhm... anyway i believe it can resolve a lot of detail (i compared video stills from gsmarene video comparison tool).
The only thing I'm a little concerned about now is dropped framerate or focus hunting...
I may seem nagging but I have a video project in mind with smartphones and so need some information .
Thanks!
I recorded a few videos this weekend and I'm severely disappointed. The hyper-active auto focus makes the videos almost unwatchable plus there was some strange freezing/macroblocking going on also. Everyone else having the same issues?
yep. recording video is god awful on this phone.
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I've had a few focus issues but nothing to bad. Just a bit of a delay till focus. Other than that, it's the best I've had. Comparing to my S4.
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slide83 said:
I recorded a few videos this weekend and I'm severely disappointed. The hyper-active auto focus makes the videos almost unwatchable plus there was some strange freezing/macroblocking going on also. Everyone else having the same issues?
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I have to agree from what my samples have shown at 1080p 60fps. Blurry, focusing seems inconsistent, and requires very good conditions to record to even closely resemble 1080p. But my still photos seem good so not sure why there's inconsistency.
slide83 said:
The hyper-active auto focus makes the videos almost unwatchable
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The breathing issue was also present with the G Pro. LG fixed it in a firmware update, meaning that at least that issue may have a remedy. I noticed the issue in Anandtech's videos in their mini review.
Can you use another camera app like lgcamera and tap to focus during video?
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Does if happen if you lower the resolution?. Just wondering if lowing the res would help at all????.
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Does if happen if you lower the resolution?. Just wondering if lowing the res would help at all????.
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tried it. problem still there.
Hi to all
Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
isko01 said:
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Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Thx for you answer, but I don't know why are you angry on me? I know you have V30, i don't have yet. But im planing to buy soon as possible. I like V30 so much but I would like to know much more about camera and will LG fix somethings in future updates.?
Why I put all this questions? Because the competition who have the same hardware have something much better then this phone. I want to know what im buying. I will put some examples:
1. LG V30 and OnePlus 5 have EIS. If you compare this two phones V30 video is like they didn't have EIS. This Is just software implementation. OP5 is not video phone, V30 is video phone. What is problem with V30?
2. The same comparison between LG V30 and OP5, when you focus on something and took the photo with OP5 you will never get "White sky" Instead of the blue sky like LG V30. This is not because camera sensor it is because camera software. The Google camera fix this problem on V30...
3. About slow motion, this is comparison between LG V30 vs Samsung S8, go on 6:10 -
You can see how much mire is better S8. And they are much more video examples on Youtube.
Is LG able to make an even better camera in new updates? YES! Do they want it, we do not know that...
Yes you can change the bitrate. Try Open Camera from the playstore. you should be able to change bitrate with that app. It would just depend on the phone whether it can handle it or not.
I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutly georgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck dont try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutely gorgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck don't try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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Not sure if you're aware , but by now Bokeh effect already works great with the V30. Both on the selfie camera and on the rear main camera.
Also, HDR+ works on all 3 lens and it is amazing.
Last, the quality of the selfie is pretty good now! Even in low light.
(Just get the cstark27 google cam apps - two APK - one for wide and one for the rest).
This makes ****load of difference, making it probably the best camera phone out there.
Just make sure "HDR+ Enhanced" is chosen.