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I have noticed that most kernels are overclockable to 1863mhz and higher. Are some phones actually stable at these clock speeds? I ask because mine will only stay stable at 1736mhz. This is with any ROM/kernel combination. Are all phones a little different in the aspect of what they can handle?
What are you guys stable at?
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Yeah each cot core is a little different as to how much it can be overclocked. I was only stable at 1.7 something.
I always have it at max. 1836 (highest possible with my kernel) with scaling ondemand. No unstability so far....
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Definitely changes from phone to phone, I've had 4 ThreeVOs and each one had its own tolerance. My latest can only get up to 1.7 before becoming unstable, the first one I got could only go up to 1.5(!) and the last one I had got to 2.0 before it crashed altogether (wish I still had it D: ).
Unfortunately because of a less than perfect manufacturing process and a few different revision numbers each phone is different. So far I haven't been able to go past stock and never get a crash. Even one crash a week is unacceptable to me.
It also will depend on a few other factors though, like kernel, firmware, OS, voltage and temperature, so I personally haven't had the time to play around with the variables you can manipulate to increase stability. It can be done though, without getting a new phone.
i have a valid question for you guys. every ice cream rom ive tried has given me significant lag/choppiness and heats up my rezound. now today i played with both a gnexus at verizon and a htc one x at at&t and it was smooth as butter. is our issues because of no ota or kernel source? just curious as to what you guys think?
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i have a valid question for you guys. every ice cream rom ive tried has given me significant lag/choppiness and heats up my rezound. now today i played with both a gnexus at verizon and a htc one x at at&t and it was smooth as butter. is our issues because of no ota or kernel source? just curious as to what you guys think?
thanks!
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Both I would take a very educated guess in saying. no OTA means it is a work in progress and no kernel source means that the kernels aren't really tweaked out for the ROMs they are running....
my guess is sense bogs us down a good bit. also ics is coded for the gnex.
Without kernel source, we're stuck with what the leak has. From what I've read, that is not good.
I'm sticking with GB until we have source...GB flies for me!
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my guess is sense bogs us down a good bit. also ics is coded for the gnex.
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Yeah, Sense 3.5/.6 are steaming piles of laggy crap, but 4.0 seems really nice.
I have official ics on my unrooted galaxy tab 2. It has the touchwiz overlay but is still superfast. I was worried too that ICS was slow until I got this. I think the omap processor is a better performer on average than a qualcomm too, but not by much.
If you are running the gb kernel and firmware it is hit or miss with ics roms for the rezound. GB will always be faster if running gb firmware and kernel. I hope that the ics kernel is fixed when we get the official ics update and that sense doesnt bog things down. We really need htc to release kernel source and firmware in order to have a solid base for ics roms imo. I love Rez Rom Sense 3.6 ICS though, runs pretty good even on old firmware.
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LunaticSerenade said:
I'm sticking with GB until we have source...GB flies for me!
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GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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Yeah, Sense 3.5/.6 are steaming piles of laggy crap, but 4.0 seems really nice.
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Actually for me all of the sense 4.0 ports were super laggy. I can say gb seems more fluid but the battery life still stinks on my rezound. That one x is really a nice device but im thinking this may be my last htc. I havent had good luck with the brand.
Thanks for the responses guys.
ICS doesn't lag for me ever, but I dig the Senseless roms for the looks, and indeed, Sense 4.0 isn't optimized for us yet.
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GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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when i went from a sense rom to an aosp rom on my inc2 i noticed a big difference in speed. sense definitely affects things.
ics runs great for me on 3.5/3.6 and on 4.0 its great as well... i have no problems at all
I don't get all these people who have all the battery and heating problems. I think it is user error. I have better battery and better signal since I upgraded to ICS CleanROM.
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I don't get all these people who have all the battery and heating problems. I think it is user error. I have better battery and better signal since I upgraded to ICS CleanROM.
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Agreed, if there were such a range in hardware that some overheated while others were great, I'd expect that HTC's quality control was so bad that half the units that were produced wouldn't even power up. Always get a kick out reading about someone who has warrantied a couple of phones then in the next breath says "I'm running "xyz" kernel and OC'd...
Anyway, would you mind sharing your setup Gray? It might help others to know what a working ICS setup is. What Kernel, Radios and other specifics are you running.
What I find is interesting is that with my first rezound I had a horrible experience when I flashed the ICS leak. Extreme overheating, even worse battery life, but it was nothing that I could have done. It was the radios on some hardware that cause this issue. I sent it back, got another, and reran the leak. Haven't looked back since. It's also worth noting that I have a way better experience with ICS then I did with GB. GB scrolling was always choppy and just overall sluggish. ICS fixed all that along with giving me a battery life ranging from 11-17 hours depending on usage.
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What I find is interesting is that with my first rezound I had a horrible experience when I flashed the ICS leak. Extreme overheating, even worse battery life, but it was nothing that I could have done. It was the radios on some hardware that cause this issue. I sent it back, got another, and reran the leak. Haven't looked back since. It's also worth noting that I have a way better experience with ICS then I did with GB. GB scrolling was always choppy and just overall sluggish. ICS fixed all that along with giving me a battery life ranging from 11-17 hours depending on usage.
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I also have a better user experience, as in runs faster, smoother, and less lag along with better battery life on ice cream sandwich than I did on gingerbread. I think a lot of it has to do with how it's set up and configured. And I understand that some people have genuine hardware problems but it seems that it's causing a lot of people to quickly attribute their issues to hardware and not spend the time to chase down the problem and solve it. Regardless another leaked kernel or an official OTA base will definitely be welcomed and help this beast run even better.
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Agreed, if there were such a range in hardware that some overheated while others were great, I'd expect that HTC's quality control was so bad that half the units that were produced wouldn't even power up. Always get a kick out reading about someone who has warrantied a couple of phones then in the next breath says "I'm running "xyz" kernel and OC'd...
Anyway, would you mind sharing your setup Gray? It might help others to know what a working ICS setup is. What Kernel, Radios and other specifics are you running.
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CleanROM Developer 1.2, overclocked 1.8ghz kernel, AmonRa recovery, new ICS radio, juopuntbear boot, S-Off.
Extremely smooth and no problems at all.
Ill put it in my sig too.
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GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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I don't get any "lag" persay with any Rom I've used. What drives me a little nuts is the stuttery and choppy scrolling in a LOT of apps I use daily. The text and the pictures chop, even though the scrolling motion is smooth. Facebook, zynga apps, internet (if its more than text) messaging app, contacts, reddit news... There are some that don't stutter though. Twicca, tapatalk, menu scrolling, root explorer...
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I don't get any "lag" persay with any Rom I've used. What drives me a little nuts is the stuttery and choppy scrolling in a LOT of apps I use daily. The text and the pictures chop, even though the scrolling motion is smooth. Facebook, zynga apps, internet (if its more than text) messaging app, contacts, reddit news... There are some that don't stutter though. Twicca, tapatalk, menu scrolling, root explorer...
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That annoyed me about GB (stock and CleanROM 1.7.5). Even on ICS, Facebook scrolling is choppy, unless you enable Force GPU rendering. Running ICS with Force GPU rendering is an incredibly smooth experience, and I haven't run into any bugs. I'm surprised it's not enabled by default in all ROMs.
I think that people having a better experience on a hacked(nicely mind you), sense 4.0 rom must have set up Gingerbread wrong. See how easy it is to make a statement like that. I have experienced both ics, and gb, and have always had a smoother experience on gb. I hated how ics scrolling in the browser, xda app, tapatalk, and others was jittery at best. I love some of the elements of ics, but the trade off was too much for me. My phone ran about 11 degrees different between ics, and gb. Also, if you go back to around Christmas, overheating was an issue then. On stock. So apparently, this phone can have heat issues. Don't get me wrong, I love this phone, and I appreciate all the work that goes into making roms. I have been following these developers for quite a while. They are all really good. We are blessed to have them.
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That annoyed me about GB (stock and CleanROM 1.7.5). Even on ICS, Facebook scrolling is choppy, unless you enable Force GPU rendering. Running ICS with Force GPU rendering is an incredibly smooth experience, and I haven't run into any bugs. I'm surprised it's not enabled by default in all ROMs.
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So it is the GPU that's the problem as I thought.... But thankfully it isnt because its not good enough. Lol. It's just because its more limited c
I have tried every ICS rom that has been released thus far for the Evo 3d, but I've decided to go back to GB roms for now due to game performance being sub par on ICS in comparison. A very good example of the performance disparity is X–Men which isn't even a 3d game. The game is unplayable on every ICS rom, but it flies on most gingerbread roms depending on the kernel.
Has anyone else experienced this, or hopefully knows a kernel or mod to help this issue? I love sense 3.6/4.0, but I can't bring myself to sacrifice performance for the sake of a little extra polish.
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I have tried every ICS rom that has been released thus far for the Evo 3d, but I've decided to go back to GB roms for now due to game performance being sub par on ICS in comparison. A very good example of the performance disparity is X–Men which isn't even a 3d game. The game is unplayable on every ICS rom, but it flies on most gingerbread roms depending on the kernel.
Has anyone else experienced this, or hopefully knows a kernel or mod to help this issue? I love sense 3.6/4.0, but I can't bring myself to sacrifice performance for the sake of a little extra polish.
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I'm happy to give you your first Thanks. You 100% correct.
I am going to get severely flamed for what I'm about to say but I'm going to say it anyway.
GingerBread roms on Evo 3D blow ICS out of the water.
Ok I said it. having said that, I do really appreciate all the effort of the devs put into development of the ICS base. I hope to one day actually use an ICS rom as my final daily rom. However, I am stuck on having everything working and not just working but working superbly.
GB has been around for awhile. We had very good kernel developments and stock is not bad either. 3D is important to me. Amaze Camera was a huge upgrade to the Evo 3D camera. Pdroid is awesome. Battery fast charge is cool.
Everyone seems to be waiting for the "Official release of ICS" as though it will be the second coming of Christ, but I have a wait and see attitude towards that.
Kernel devs have moved on and so have some rom devs and lots of peeps moving onto the EVO LTE. Not sure who will stick around and how much development ICS will actually get on this device.
I say if ICS were released first, then they came out with Gingerbread with all the **** it can do, HTC Evo 3D owners would be dancing in the streets.
let the flaming begin...........
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zcink said:
I'm happy to give you your first Thanks. You 100% correct.
let the flaming begin...........
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You won't get any flaming from me. You have to remember that the leak has been out for a month and GB has been out for a year. Like the original stock ROM was, the original ICS leak is very raw. I almost think that HTC released it early for Virgin Mobile so that the VM customers (and us rooted users with the leak) can beta test it for them.
Having said that, the devs have been able to work magic with GB even with the stock kernel (ex: ZR3d 4.1GT absolutely flies with the stock kernel). I know some devs are either staying with the 3d for a while (like MikeyXDA with MeanROM ICS) or have promised to perfect their ICS ROM before leaving for good (like Vin and viperboy with ViperROM). Hopefully they will be able to work their magic and get the ICS ROM on par with the GB ROMs.
ICS does have some phenomenal plusses though, like screen off battery life that barely touches the battery and better sounding audio out of the box.
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You won't get any flaming from me.
I almost think that HTC released it early for Virgin Mobile so that the VM customers (and us rooted users with the leak) can beta test it for them.
ICS does have some phenomenal plusses though, like screen off battery life that barely touches the battery and better sounding audio out of the box.
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Very good comment.
Interesting theory on the leak. Yes, perhaps HTC leaked it on purpose to get a feel for what XDA devs would do with it.
I know from reading alot that the #1 advantage to ICS so far has been battery life. I have mixed feelings on this. If you play games and use the phone heavy, your battery life will suck no matter what. There are apps and tweaks you can do on GB that will improve your battery life tremendously. I guess it all depends on how much you use your phone.
Just sitting on standby with screen off, yeah I suppose ICS blows away GB on battery life. I like to put the screen at full brightness and I have a long delay before screen turns off because I find it irritating to have the screen of in 30 seconds.
I have a small stack of batteries, and keep em fully charged. Its a pain but not a big deal really to rotate the charge and swap em out when using the phone heavily. The one thing I would hate about the new EVO 4G LTE is it does NOT have a removable battery. So, if your playing a game or watching movies and the battery dies, you are dead in the water until you can get it back on a charger and then you'd have to wait a long time to bring it back up to a full charge.
The sound on ICS is better. Perhaps, but I don't think the EVO 3D comes with a great speaker. The sound is adequate for me. I didn't find Beats to be a huge improvement although I see that many on here do. I've tried different EQ settings and apps and its limited what you can with the sound.
The X-Loud patch that was done to GB greatly improved the volume problem that plagued the EVO 3D out of the box. One problem I've noted that ICS has with sound is the headphone jack. The ICS leaks sends too much voltage to it. Causes skipping and in some phones causes the phone to dial out the last number dialed. Those who don't use the headphones probably don't experience this. I don't know if this has been tackled and solved or not.
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Probably depends if your CDMA or GSM, GSM gingerbread performance blew donkey balls if you needed a full rom with everything working..ie sense enabled.
Truly is ICS better than Gingerbread in real life [on the EVO 3D]? I find myself flashing multiple ICS roms hoping to gain the smoothness of GB but I just can't find it.
I know the features ICS brings are great:
- Chrome support
- Better sleep management
- Better system/data management (cant confirm this)
- 32 bit color by default (cant confirm this)
** http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/
But one thing GB has that ICS doesn't is complete capability with our phones. We were able to make GB fly and I feel since Sprint is dragging their feet to release the update, we will have some time before ICS flies like GB. By then Jelly Bean will be running. It's a vicious cycle.
I am all for trying out new software, I love being on the bleeding edge of technology. However, for example, when playing Max Payne on ICS, the joystick would stop responding or the framerate will drop dramatically. That never happened on GB.
So my question is, whats your reason for running ICS on your EVO 3D? It is because its the latest and greatest or is there a certain feature I am missing? Because I am starting not to see a benefit.
**Disclamer: I read a couple of threads related to this but this subject was never expanded on. Mods feel free to close if you think this is redundant.**
I run it because I'm yet to have 1 problem that's not a known ics general issue.
Sent from my Evo 3D on Sprint's blazing fast 3G network with 4G coverage everywhere
For cdma phones yes, the 2.17 base was an excelent base for GB roms. Us poor GSM users had a crap base which when even overclocked was probably still slower than the current ICS.. for example low 2000 quadrants and 24fps nenamark
I just wish there was a way to use the 2.17 base roms on GSM, I would certainly use it. :good:
ICS runs fine on my phone. And I'm easily getting at least 24 hours per battery, as opposed to 12 hours with GB.
ICS definitely has better battery management. However, for me personally, I don't mind having less battery with more performance since I have multiple batteries I can just swap out. A perfect balance is what I look to achieve. ICS beats GB in terms of battery life but I have to give the best performance title to GB.
Wait until HTC release the kernel sources and we get custom overclocked kernels, will speed it up a little
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Wait until HTC release the kernel sources and we get custom overclocked kernels, will speed it up a little
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Considering they haven't yet, what makes you think they will?
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Considering they haven't yet, what makes you think they will?
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There hasn't been an official ICS release? (For CDMA at least). Generally its been a 90 day or so time frame for source release. We should see GSM source in the next couple of months. While HTC isn't the fastest at releasing they haven't ever failed to release source that I'm aware of.
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Disagree with this post 100%.
Even though im running a GSM version, i can tell you right now that the phone is 100% different then the GB version. Its faster, smoother, and runs far more efficient. (ive only got 200 mb used of ram, when my GB version was running around 400-450, and i still have to remove junk from my ICS version once i root it.)
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Disagree with this post 100%.
Even though im running a GSM version, i can tell you right now that the phone is 100% different then the GB version. Its faster, smoother, and runs far more efficient. (ive only got 200 mb used of ram, when my GB version was running around 400-450, and i still have to remove junk from my ICS version once i root it.)
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Again this is for the GSM version, it may not be true for CDMA phones as i doubt you have one to compare...
I myself believe the fact that their phones run worse on ICS then ours because the same thing was happening to us on GB...
I think for me gb gave me problems with youtube....always skipping in the middle. But going to ics has fixed that. Everything is smoother. Battery life to me isn't much of a problem since I have about two extra batteries.
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ICS runs way better than GB did. side by side comparisons of Eternity 1.4.2 vs inbREDed 5.2 verify that for me in an instant.
apps load faster, menus react quicker, etc. I'll never go back to GB and can't wait for an Anthrax kernel for this.
I do wish that the Sense 4 ROM's had 3D and 4G though, because those things run really, really nice.. *sigh*
Interesting feedback, thank you everyone. This is definitely "food for thought".
Whats your feedback on game performance? I usually find myself playing one of the Rockstar or Gameloft games I have purchased and I feel ICS framerates drops much more than GBs.
I feel that since GB's kernel source has been released, devs were able to tweak it for maximum performance under heavy load vs a stock kernel which would be somewhat conservative on performance.
And yes I do have a CDMA version but input from GSM users are welcomed.
Hate to be the one to say it but the second our devices are graced with JB performance and battery life will not just reach the best balance yet, but take both to new levels.
Were in developmental limbo right now, and shortly enough new JB roms will start pumping out, keeping users happy for quite a while
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Hate to be the one to say it but the second our devices are graced with JB performance and battery life will not just reach the best balance yet, but take both to new levels.
Were in developmental limbo right now, and shortly enough new JB roms will start pumping out, keeping users happy for quite a while
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Not everyone will jump on JB. I know I won't. I have good 4G coverage and want to keep that, especially since my speeds have been going up. and I want to keep 3D. So if those aren't present I'm staying on ICS
I really wish we had a stable build of CM7 for CDMA to play with, htc holding the source on ICS kernels has made the ICS dev basically come to a crawl and it saddens me lol... My old Evo4G had a new ROM out everyday it seemed and IMO CM9 was more stable there than on the 3D. Nothing against the wonderful devs here as it's not their fault htc is being stingy with source.
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Not everyone will jump on JB. I know I won't. I have good 4G coverage and want to keep that, especially since my speeds have been going up. and I want to keep 3D. So if those aren't present I'm staying on ICS
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Many who use cm9 will lol
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Do not compair roms just on benchmarks... ICS is waaaayy better than gb even without overclocking. Solo many more features in ICS made it impossible for me to go back to GB
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I don't actually have an evo, but I've been using an HTC hd2 for a long time, until yesterday.
I was running the latest ics version mostly just to be on the bleeding edge of technology. Their were a few things I really liked more and reasons I wanted to run it because of, but mostly i wanted ics because it was new.
We also had gingerbread roms that were blazing fast and worked almost perfectly. In all honesty they were amazing.
Then ics came along. Many of the drivers were not there for our device and the devs start working like crazy to fix them or write them, just whatever needed to be done.
However even to this day ics does not run as well as gb did. It is very stable, not a lot of fc's but it still has some. In reality its just not yet the same quality gb was.
I think that until HTC releases the kernal source like for the evo and other phones that ics will not run as good as gb. In no way is this in offense to the devs. I just know that its hard to match a companies time and man power when your doing something for free.
In short, unless their is a lot of official support I do not think ics runs as well as gb either.
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How do you all find the new Jellybean update's battery life? Better or worse than ICS? I'm guessing worse because of Google Now, but just wondering...(I don't have phone yet)
seems worse to me i was gettinf better battery life on ICS.. my battery drops from 100% to 50% way to fast..
Battery life on the new JB update is amazing!
Even MeanROM never was this good with battery life!.
After a couple of days and restarts its looking good
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seems worse to me i was gettinf better battery life on ICS.. my battery drops from 100% to 50% way to fast..
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If you were not such a FLASHAHOLIC just sayin
There is actually a logical and technical reason as to why JB have worse battery life than ics.
As many people probably know, JB focuses on project butter which aims to make the android experience smoother.
Unfortunately, Google's philosophy is about brute forcing into the problem by relying on raw cpu and gpu power instead of fixing their shaddy code.
The most noticeable difference on JB is UI becomes smoother but that smoothness came at a price, the cpu and gpu has to work harder to maintain 60fps with added vsync triple buffering on top of it.
I also noticed that HTC has boosted the.default 3d gpu clock of adreno 225 on their latest kernel to compensate for the additional workload to maintain smoothness. Some people that is familiar to overclocking knows that if the clocks are increased, the power consumption also increases. It is also not help by the fact that EVO 4g LTE can't always maintain 60fps so it has to work extra hard.
Probably not a lot of people know this but android has abysmal input lag and Google tried to address the issue(in which imo they horribly failed) by boosting the cpu clocks everytime you touched the screen. Obviously, raising the clocks would have negative impact on battery life so if you type a lot or Swype a lot or scroll alot, the cpu would get raised everytime. You could see it yourself by installing a program called micro cpu monitor.
The most obvious way to see the input lag in action is try playing a music then replicate the beats on apps like real drums. The lumia 900 which has single core or even the iPhone 4 which has single core 800mhz cortex a8 does not suffer from horrible input lag.
I was really disappointed with Google and it seems like they have no plans to really fix the core problems in the near future.
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If you were not such a FLASHAHOLIC just sayin
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hahahah!! u are so rite!! i do have a problem with flashing