I read the review on Engadget for the One X.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
Scroll down to the performance chart to see that even though this uses Tegra 3, it significantly outperforms the prime. Is there a reason for this? Is the processor really the same?
Yes, those were interesting results. I tried to run Quadrant to see what's up, and it crashes during the 3D graphics portion. So, yeah. I have a feeling there are some issues with this build (and perhaps .15), because I pretty much can't play ANY games without crashing.
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I read the review on Engadget for the One X.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
Scroll down to the performance chart to see that even though this uses Tegra 3, it significantly outperforms the prime. Is there a reason for this? Is the processor really the same?
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Not just the processor has influence in the score you know, the prime is known for having really poor sdcard performance something to do with the scheduling. Also the newer batches of tegra 3 are made from a different small process or something like that which makes them for efficient at lower clock speeds and such.
I like to see someone do i/o performance benchmarks on non Prime Tegra 3s.
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Not just the processor has influence in the score you know, the prime is known for having really poor sdcard performance something to do with the scheduling. Also the newer batches of tegra 3 are made from a different small process or something like that which makes them for efficient at lower clock speeds and such.
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That does not explain why the TFP suck so badly in LinPack. It's like ASUS have disabled 2 of the 4 cores in Android.
Just FYI, I ran Vellamo on mine and got 1439. Still not as good as the One X, but better than the results in the spreadsheet. Oh, and 1797 on SunSpider, also closer to the One X.
Okay, just ran Linpack, and the highest score was 134.92. Interestingly, scores were all over the place, from a low around 54 to that high score. Looks like the Tegra 3 is being pretty selective in how it applies the cores when put under the kind of load that Linpack exerts.
another flawed benchmark testing. engadget even explained it. for starters Vellamo benchmark is b.s. you want to know why? because qualcomm themselves make it so it will always favor qualcomm chips. Engadget and Anandtech said that themselves. OK. now that's out the way lets get to the rest. In the other benchmarks, you have to remember that the u.s. verson of the HTC one has alot lower screen resolution than the international One X version with tegra3 clocked @ 1.5Ghz. So anytime you try to run a same benchmark on 2 devices with different resolutions, the lower one will usually outperform, as far as in benchmarks, the other(as long as it has a decent processor). Because it has less work to do. it doesn't have to push as high of a resolution. In other words it wasn't an equal playing field doing the benchmarks. Now if the One X had the lower resolution the same as the One S, results would be very different favoring the Tegra3 version. Simple as that, plus the HTC One X is considered by HTC themselves to be the top model. then comes the one S in second. The One X has the superior screen resolution, quality and size than the one S. the X version has like a 4.7in. floated to one S 4.3 in. The One X has the Super LCD2 screen compared to One S SuperAmoled and yes the SuperLCD2 was considered superior to the suoeramoled screen. colors are more natural and whites are whiter on Superlcd2 screen. read the tech reviews if you think otherwise. Then the One X has alot higher resolution also.
Don't get me wrong, both versions are great. Both chips are great also. But those 2 phones benchmarking against each other is seriously flawed. not an equal playing field. Screen resolution seriously affects the scoring. only one I believe not affected as much by those two things will be browsing or sunspider results. Anything graphics wise or anything else is seriously affected negatively by the device with higher screen resolution and larger screen. Its chip has to work harder to push those specs.
Now you want a real head to head battle of the 2 chips that will be a real even playing field, wait till both versions of the Infinity Pad aka tf-700 comes out. one is wifi version and other is LTE version. Both versions will have exact same screen resolution. So each version having a different chip and benchmarked against each other will tell the REAL story of who performs better and gives better battery life. ill wait till then, any other benchmarks comparing the 2 chips will be flawed until tf-700 arrives.
plus here's another reason not to always believe those tech sites benchmarks. They show the HTC One S, with S4 snapdragon chip scoring 5,053 in Quadrant. Well here is my QuAdrant score not even after a fresh reboot. I scored alot higher scoring over 5,200. here's the kicker, that's with my prime having higher resolution. I could easily run those other tests also and beat the one S scores but you should see the point with this one: TEGRA3 IN DA HOUSE! then we have others who even scored higher than me(the ones with 1.8Ghz overclock). plus I have a sunspider one also that blows that One S one away by a large margin. I can pull that up also if needed
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demandarin, you beat me to it, well said! People have to remember the other factors involved when comparing two devices using the same chipset. Also, benchmakrs are now coming to the point of being rather usless, they are either biased towards one type of CPU, they don't stress a certain cpu as much (dual core versus quad core) etc. I base the ability of a chip on its real world performace.
Screen size does not affect performance. Screen resolution, yes; size, no.
It takes the same amount of CPU/GPU power to drive a 5in screen as it does a 3.5in if they both had, say, a 640x480 resolution.
The battery on the other hand...
Pretty much what else you said applies.
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Screen size does not affect performance. Screen resolution, yes; size, no.
It takes the same amount of CPU/GPU power to drive a 5in screen as it does a 3.5in if they both had, say, a 640x480 resolution.
The battery on the other hand...
Pretty much what else you said applies.
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OK, screen resolution. its makes a HUGE difference in scoring. ill edit post to remove screen size. but check out my quadrant score and that's with alot higher resolution. still beating out the One S S4 snapdragon chip.
The question here isn't around the processor in the One S vs. the Tegra 3, but rather the difference in results between the Tegra 3 in the One X and the Tegra 3 in the Prime. The results in the article make one question why our Primes are performing so poorly in comparison.
My own testing, however, shows that the results in the story are off (although I can't run Quadrant to compare), and if the Tegra 3 in the One X is 1.5GHz, then that might explain the difference from my results.
I did find my Linpack scores interesting because they're so inconsistent...
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In the other benchmarks, you have to remember that the u.s. verson of the HTC one has alot lower screen resolution than the international One X version with tegra3 clocked @ 1.5Ghz. So anytime you try to run a same benchmark on 2 devices with different resolutions, the lower one will usually outperform, as far as in benchmarks, the other(as long as it has a decent processor). Because it has less work to do.
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The Linpack benchmark has nothing at all to do with screen resolution so the graphics excuse does not apply there. The Linpack benchmarks are a measure of a system's floating point computing power. In that test the dual core One-S was over twice as fast as the quad core One-X, and almost 50% faster on the multithreaded benchmark, where one would normally expect the quad core to outperform.
I dont know what engadget did with the prime test?
- forgot to put it on performance mode?
- only 1 test instead of multpiple tests (and calculating the average)?
- background tasks in progress?
- test on honeycomb?
my results (i did 3 to 5 runs per application), still somewhat lower than the one x, but not as bad as in the engadget tests...
Linpack single thread: 50-55
Linpack multi thread: 100-150
Quadrant: 4500-5300
Nenamark2: 50-55
Vellamo: 1450-1700
Sunspider: 1800-1900
and well, the one-s, it was expected to be a beast, the a15 architecture blows the a9 away, also on 2 cores. simple as that.
my Quadrant beating out the One S chip. my score 5,201 to One S 5,053
My sunspider killing One S results by a large margin. remember lower is better. One S 1742.5ms to my Tegra3 1338.4ms.
my nenamark1 score 60.3 to one S 60.8 ..minute difference
I couldn't do linpack because it kept saying inconsistent results and inaccurate data. uninstalled that b.s.
didn't have time to do other benches.
Differences --
1) The TF Prime is stock clocked at 1.3/1.4 Ghz and the HTC One X Global is stock clocked at 1.5Ghz (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_One_X ; http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-x/#specs )
2) There is a slight handicap in resolution (to the extent a test is constrained by that), though it is marginal:
1280 x 720 = 921,600
1280x800 = 1,024,000
Difference = 11%
3) Kernel/clock stepping/core switching/power gating differences?
Maybe the One X is running a different version of the nVidia code responsible maintaining how aggressive or conservative the stepping/core switching, etc. is. One thing I've noticed from the One X reviews is that the battery life didn't really impress reviewers.
On the contrary, reviewers praised the battery life on the TF Prime, and test even showed that it was competitive with the iPad2 and notably better than the original Transformer.
The fact that battery life is a bigger issue on the One X may reveal that in addition to the clock speed, maybe the processor is more aggressive about maxing out the clock and more conservative with switching to the smaller core.
demandarin said:
my Quadrant beating out the One S chip. my score 5,201 to One S 5,053
My sunspider killing One S results by a large margin. remember lower is better. One S 1742.5ms to my Tegra3 1338.4ms.
I couldn't do linpack because it kept saying inconsistent results and inaccurate data. uninstalled that b.s.
ill add the other benches in this post shortly
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In your previous post you wrote that you can't compare device with different screen resolution and other difference.. And now you are doing the same thing.
Use stock browser when running Sunspider not Opera.. Pretty sure that they were using the stock browsers in Engadet tests.
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Andreas527 said:
In your previous post you wrote that you can't compare device with different screen resolution and other difference.. And now you are doing the same thing.
Use stock browser when running Sunspider not Opera.. Pretty sure that they were using the stock browsers in Engadet tests.
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yes, but just did them anyway to show those One S scores can be beat. so imagine if we were at the same resolution my scores would be alot higher.
stock browser sux BTW..lol. I can do one with that also n beat it out. maybe later
Im waiting for my HTC one X to arrive this week
But seriously its tuned to 1.5 Ghz and also.... its a phone! MUCH SMALLER less power to spend, isn't it just physics and logic?
Have a good night everyone!
This is BS. I remember that my TFP gave around 5000 in quadrant on 9.4.2.15. On .21 it is crashing. However, you should worry about the Q4 snapdragon processor which claims to beat tegra 3 being a dual core processor!!!!
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Cue the benchmark pissing contests. Have fun with your waterworks!
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Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
Some have raised points along the lines of Samsung Galaxy S2 phones already having a smoother UI and indicating that they are doing something different vs. the Galaxy Nexus. When comparing individual devices though you really need to look at all of the factors. For example, the S2's screen is 480x800 vs. the Galaxy Nexus at 720x1280. If the Nexus S could already do 60fps for simple UIs on its 480x800, the CPU in the S2's is even better off.
The real important difference between these two screens is just that the Galaxy Nexus has 2.4x as many pixels that need to be drawn as the S2. This means that to achieve the same efficiency at drawing the screen, you need a CPU that can run a single core at 2.4x the speed (and rendering a UI for a single app is essentially not parallelizable, so multiple cores isn't going to save you).
This is where hardware accelerated rendering really becomes important: as the number of pixels goes up, GPUs can generally scale much better to handle them, since they are more specialized at their task. In fact this was the primary incentive for implementing hardware accelerated drawing in Android -- at 720x1280 we are well beyond the point where current ARM CPUs can provide 60fps. (And this is a reason to be careful about making comparisons between the Galaxy Nexus and other devices like the S2 -- if you are running third party apps, there is a good chance today that the app is not enabling hardware acceleration, so your comparison is doing CPU rendering on the Galaxy Nexus which means you almost certainly aren't going to get 60fps out of it, because it needs to hit 2.4x as many pixels as the S2 does.)
To be complete, there is another big advantage that the GPU gives you -- many more drawing effects become feasible. For example, if you are drawing a bitmap in software, you basically can't do anything to it except apply an offset. Just trying to scale it is going to make rendering significantly slower. On a GPU, applying transformations well beyond simple scales is basically free. This is why in the new default Holo themes in Android we have background images -- with hardware accelerated drawing, we can afford to draw (and scale) them. In fact, if the hardware path is not enabled by the app, these background images will be turned off.
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This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
I agree. It's the same with a gaming computer. Just because ur monitor has 1080p doesn't mean u can play all games in that rez. U will need a much more powerful gpu. I am certain though the tegra3 can support 1080p but it won't be smooth as 720p like our device. Unless u lower the rez but how would u on an android. Furthermore how ugly games would look who aren't optimize for 1080p.
Nvidia always!
The question isn't whether there's going to be a performance hit, it's what the performance hit looks like. If it's invisible in everything but gaming, I'd bet a lot of people will go for the HD display and gamers will stick to the lower res. If it's obvious in UI performance and transitions, it makes the benefit of the HD screen a little more questionable. The new chip in the iPad3 and Samsung's new Exynos chip won't make you choose (on paper). Benchmarks are useless except for bragging rights.
I have been saying this since people were trying to compare the new acer and samsung back in Dec. The higher the resolution, the more power and resources it takes. Also you have to look at the app market right now. What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now. Once they (1080p tablets) are released, it will be a few months before most apps will adapt to the new higher displays.
I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
For what it's worth, ICS is supposed to be fully hardware accelerated, so the Tegra 3 could be enough to power the higher resolution for everything but games.
Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5348/...-with-asus-1920-x-1200-tablet-running-ics-403
That said, there are still questions as to the benefit of such a high resolution on a 10" form factor designed to be held only 1-2' away from your face. They didn't bump up to 1920 x 1200 resolution monitors until 24" LCDs and up.
The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at. Almost all run at the full Res of the screen, which means slideshow on a 1080p Prime.
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I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display- there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish. Just bumping up the resolution while not working on improving the true render process (in case of games or animations) does not make any sense to me.
A retina display just for the heck of it is not a great idea, at least to me.
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I agree, there is just no point..... there is more important things to improve than pixel count....
Thanks, at least I am not alone on this idea. It seems like when the news came that the iPad 3 is going to have a retina desiplay all the manufacturers didn't care anymore and just were thinking "We also need that!". I am comparision the text from thread with my HTC Sensation which should have a better DPI:
Transformer Prime: 149
The new Prime: 218
HTC Sensation: 260
and from NORMAL viewing distance both look great. However, when i come closer the pixels on the Transformer Prime are a little visible where the Sensation stays sharp. However the phone has a better DPI then the new res. panel so I'm not sure how that is.
I'm sure it will look some better, but I am not sure if it is worth the wait (again) and also the possibilty of the new Prime itself can't keep up with its own resolution..
Oh, again not trying to defend the Prime here.. I have to return it anyway because of backlight bleeding and am not sure if I want a new one or my money back, however if I see this result I think the resolution is just pure marketing.. I mean who is going to sit with its prime 5 cm from their heads.. lol.
http://androidandme.com/2012/01/news/hands-on-with-the-acer-iconia-tab-a510-and-zte-7-tablets/
Watch the video on Acer Iconia a510 (unannounced tablet). 1080p that comes with this tablet... does look a bit sluggish.
Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
Seems to run pretty good since it is still a pre-production model, however not as smooth as the Prime with ICS yes..
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Just to add my galaxy nexus is 316 dpi..... unless your 2in from the screen...there really isn't much difference.
Also, I love how laptop and desktop DPI is half what most phone/tabs are and people are having a fit......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#ASUS
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Yeah, exactly what I mean.. you can see it if your very close to the screen, but why would you do that, lol.
Oh, btw.. for the iPad 1&2 it still is 132, which is much lower then our Transformers (149,5), never heard real complaints about that.
>What app's are out that will use that 1080p display...NONE as of now
eBooks & PDFs. Sharper texts. More texts. One can conceivably view 2 pages side-by-side (16:10 / 2 = 8:10, or close to the 8.5:11 printed page).
With display mirroring, you get 1:1 pixel ratio when plugged into a HDTV via HDMI. This makes above use-case (high-density text consumption) much more feasible. Ditto for remote access.
Gaming perf will take a hit. Then again, gaming isn't exactly an Android forte right now, or for mobiles in general. The bulk of games are casual stuff, geared for handset resolution.
One can argue that hardcore Android gaming will prosper over time, and FPS perf will matter more. There are problems with this line of thought. First, is simply the assumption that Android will prosper on tablets, which given current sales is hardly a forgone conclusion. Second, are the fast advances in hardware and their correspondingly short lifespan. GPU-wise, the Teg3 isn't the fastest even now. By the time we get to see enough hardcore games, we'd be on Teg 5 or 6, or their equivalent. Teg3 will be old news.
But sure, if shooters and frame count are your thing, then 720p sounds like a plan, at least for the Teg3.
>I continue to question the need for having a 1080p 10 inch display
Some don't see the need for GPS in tabs either. Some don't use the cams. Different people have different uses. You shouldn't generalize your use to be everyone else's.
Rest assured that when it comes to marketing, toys with lo-res display will be viewed as inferior. Bigger is better. It's the same thing with quadcore vs dualcore vs single-core. Do you actually need a quadcore?
>there has to be a limit as to high a ppi count the human eye can reasonably distinguish
This argument has been bouncing around ever since Apple's Retina Display. Per this PPI calculator, 1920x1200 is 224ppi on a 10.1". Reportedly, people can discern 300ppi at 12" distance, given 20/20 vision. The real test is simpler and much less theoretical: walk into a store and compare the TF201 and TF700 side-by-side, and see if you can discern the difference.
>Anandtech (who I probably trust the most when it comes to hardware evaluations) seemed to suggest in an early preview that the higher resolution *may* perform ok:
Anandtech is good for chip-level analysis. For (mobile) system hardware and use-case analysis, he's just as green as many other tech blogs. Note the gaffs on the Prime testing wrt GPS and BT/wifi coexistence. I do see signs of improvement, however. They came out with a new Mobile Benchmark suite, whatever that means.
>The real issue is that games on Android don't let you pick a resolution for them to run at.
The real issue is that Android is still a nascent OS for tablets. HC was a beta which never took off. ICS was just released. The bulk of Android apps & games are still for handsets.
I have been concerned about this as well. Tegra 3's GPU is fine enough for a 1200x800 tablet, but it's going to be stretched at 1080p (this is nearly the resolution that my desktop runs at!).
I'd love a higher-resolution display, but it's a luxury (well, a tablet itself kinda is already, but even more so). It's not as if 1280x800 is cramped and blocky. I'm happy to wait a bit longer for 1080p tablets to mature and come down in price.
(I'd rather have 2GB RAM, actually.)
Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
JoeyLe said:
Hi all,
I know this article has been floating around here for some time, but this I found rather interesting:
This is kinda the same as with the Prime and the T700/other high-resolution tablets, isn't it? I'm not sure, but it sounds pretty obviously since the Tegra3 GPU isn't very good (yes, it is fine but I'm not sure for those high-res screens?). However I could be completely wrong..
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Don't underestimate.
Let's wait a review or test.
Probably the Tegra 3 is more than capable of handling this kind of resolution in terms of playing HD movie, high profile compression, etc.
I saw several tests on current prime, and it has no problem with HD videos.
My only concern is battery life ... that's all.
I expect the 1920x1200 will result worse battery life, unless ASUS pump up the battery capacity or any other improvement.
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Asus has already stated that battery life will be pretty much the same as the current Prime...So that should equal shorter battery life.I'll stick with my Prime for now.No Need in buying another tablet right now IMO.I'm waiting to see what Samsung brings to the table.
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Well, perhaps this new release will coincide with a bump in the specs of Tegra 3. By the time the new tablet comes out, I would assume that's been almost half a year.... That's usually about the time span that nvidia would come out with a refresh of a chip design (well, they do this with their desktop GPUs, so not a great comparison, but it's possible?). So in the end perhaps the question of performance will be moot because there will be a faster Tegra 3 and more RAM in the new higher resolution tablets.
Just a thought.
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I don't think they can bump the specs within the generation of a chip. The only thing that can happen till then is that Asus finds an economical way to add 2GB memory to the device, Nvidia improves the production capabilities of Tegra 3 and we get a better yield of the chips. The spec increase can only happen from one generation to the next.
I think the performance will be fine. Even the battery life.
Most of the battery usage screen-wise is from the backlight, which will be the same.
Also, not much more power may be used necessarily either, especially if it doesn't end up taxing the Tegra 3 as much as we think it will. As far as we know, our 1200x800 displays may not even be taxing the Tegra 3 that much. If anything, the article shows that the Tegra 3 may be more qualified to handle that high a resolution with little to no performance degradation. There are demos on youtube of a tegra 3 device playing 1440p movies just fine, all while driving a second screen at the same time.
Of course I too don't feel the need for something that high of a resolution on a 10 inch screen, but I'll never really know until I see one in person.
So I was at CES Thursday and Friday and tried to visit most of the tablet boots and have played with several tablets with qualcomm snapdragon s4, Intel atom, Omap and I few other chinese branded ones. And by far the smoothest and fastest out of all of them was the tegra 3 devices. In particular the Acer a510. TFP IMO comes in 2nd. Acer is super smooth did not lag nor stutter. TFP I do see some stutter from time to time and flicking through home screen is faster and but not as butter smooth as the a510. I'm not sure how to explain it better. It seems to be better hardware accelerated.
Iconia A510 (charges though some micro usb I havent seen before that you can plug the regular charger or micro usb. The charging adapter had a rating of 12v output.
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They were demoing a game at the qualcomm booth running snapdragon s4 and I was surprised at how it stuttered and was not very smooth via HDMI. I recorded this since this was the processor I was looking forward to being one of the best out there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jhiyYIfu7Y&list=UUHqepxR6_suYYKySqKxymDg&index=2&feature=plcp
I didnt record the TFP showing Shadowgun via HDMI since most of us know how super smooth that is. I'll see if I have a video of the a510 though. I did record however this ZTE 7 (7inch tablet) by ZTE with Tegra 3. I assume this is how the 7 inch prime is going to be as far as performance (I never found the asus 7 prime anywhere).
ZTE 7
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIFnjHkGCY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The Fujitsu tablets were water proof but wow it is laggy as heck. I didn't spend a lot of time there and kinda made fun of a staff who didn't even know what OS it was running. lol. She was damn hot though. Didnt get a pic of her unfortunately.
Also checked out the Archos tablets. I was a fan of archos before and had own an a70t. But even with ICS their new tablets are really awful slow IMO.
So anyway just thought I'd share this with you guys and be happy that we have tegra 3 devices.
I've always said 2012 will be the year of The Prime & Tegra3. That new Acer looks kinda bulky. not as sexy looking as the prime. Thanks for the info. I wish you would've pulled the apk for that BladeSlinger demo..lol. what was the name of that fighting game that was playing on Snapdragon devices? Qualcimm trying to copy Nvidia Tegrazone and coming with a gaming site app for their chips also.
So if you said the snapdragons were laggy, then new 7 in. Memo from Asus may not be a good buy. its going tl have the same snapdragon chips in them I believe. it will be dual core in the memo. plus memo will only have a regular Tft Ips screen. not Super IPS + like in the prime. plus memo will be 3g.
edit: your video links aren't working. it goes to YouTube then says sorry Malformed video ID or something
The acer is slightly thicker but not by much. it only looks like it cause of the edges is not as tapered as the Prime. But center thickness is almost the same to me. I do like that it was more comfortable to hold since the edges didnt feel sharp on your palms. But yea definitely prime is slicker looking. As far as the Demo game it crashed on me a lot and wasnt playable after the video intro. So prob wasnt worth grabbing.
I'm not sure what that game was on the snapdragon device. The also had mc3 on the other side via HDMI and it was laggy too. With the Asus 7 inch prime I'm pretty sure its tegra 3 (every Nvidia rep told me that anyway) so we dont have to worry about it being laggy. If its anything like that zte 7 then it should be pretty fast.
Ill recheck the videos...
There are two memo models coming. One with Tegra3
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Well thinner isn't always better. For me anyways. I kinda like a little meat
on the tab. Feels solid. For that size though you would think they would have
a full size USB port?? Or did they do away with that? I seen they had the
A700 out as well. Looks like some nice hardware.
Specs on the 7in. Asus Memo pad that has Dual Core 1.2Ghz Snapdragon
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2938&c=asus_eee_pad_memo_3d_me370t_32gb
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Specs on the 7in. Asus Memo pad that has Dual Core 1.2Ghz Snapdragon
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2938&c=asus_eee_pad_memo_3d_me370t_32gb
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I shouldve been more clear with my post. I was referring to this one.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/asus-eee-pad-memo-370t/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398672,00.asp
I"m on the market for a tablet and am definitely considering the Transformer as I can take the keyboard to school and use it to take notes easier.
However, I do like the look, and price of the transformer prime and would prefer a smoother UI than the 1080p screen of the Prime 700t (unless the HD screen look THAT amazing)
Did tegra 3 run smoothly on the 1080p tablets? And also are the wireless issues THAT bad on the tf201 that would encourage me to buy the 700t?
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Did tegra 3 run smoothly on the 1080p tablets? And also are the wireless issues THAT bad on the tf201 that would encourage me to buy the 700t?
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I'm not so sure about the 1080p ones as they didn't have any of them out for display. It mightve been in one of the rooms but didn't get a chance to find them. I was really looking for the asus 7 inch 370t with tegra 3. My first time at CES so I really didnt know where to go.
Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO. Its gonna be mostly bragging rights and to the naked eye its probably gonna be hard to dicern the difference. And its most likely going to use more processing hence use more battery power. Then you have to worry about app compatibility and either wait for app to catch up or some cases apps might not ever be updated. There are already several threads about prime vs t700 so maybe you may want to give those threads a visit if you want others opinions between the 2 devices.
Re: Acer Iconia A510 - Did you check with an Acer rep and find out why they only showed it in the Nvidia booth? Don't Acer have their own booth?
Re: Asus 370T - Ditto. Should've buttonholed an Asus rep and get the low-down on it.
Anyway, both should be out in Q2 as announced, unless something happens.
>Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO.
One can say the same thing about the Tegra 3. Should you need a quadcore just to have a smooth UI?
I mainly read texts in portrait mode on a 1024x600 7". ePubs are OK, but PDFs suck, as is web browsing. Resolution (169 dpi) is too low for the size. Was gonna give up on 7", but the upcoming 1280x800 (215 dpi) should make 7" viable again for my use.
I think that's what it boils down to. For text, 1080p on 10.1" (also 215 dpi) is better. For graphics/games, 720p is better. Regardless, 1080p will become the standard res once supply ramps up, one, because everybody needs to keep up with the iPad, and two, like you said, it's "nice to have" even though you don't actually need it (like you don't actually need a quadcore).
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Re: Acer Iconia A510 - Did you check with an Acer rep and find out why they only showed it in the Nvidia booth? Don't Acer have their own booth?
Re: Asus 370T - Ditto. Should've buttonholed an Asus rep and get the low-down on it.
Anyway, both should be out in Q2 as announced, unless something happens.
>Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO.
One can say the same thing about the Tegra 3. Should you need a quadcore just to have a smooth UI?
I mainly read texts in portrait mode on a 1024x600 7". ePubs are OK, but PDFs suck, as is web browsing. Resolution (169 dpi) is too low for the size. Was gonna give up on 7", but the upcoming 1280x800 (215 dpi) should make 7" viable again for my use.
I think that's what it boils down to. For text, 1080p on 10.1" (also 215 dpi) is better. For graphics/games, 720p is better. Regardless, 1080p will become the standard res once supply ramps up, one, because everybody needs to keep up with the iPad, and two, like you said, it's "nice to have" even though you don't actually need it (like you don't actually need a quadcore).
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I didn't really check with Acer (not sure if they had a booth). All the Halls were so massive that it got very cumbersome trying to walk back and forth. So whatever I remembered I visited. Didn't dawn on me to look for Acer.
Asus 370t - went back on friday to hunt Acer booth down. They had a very tiny booth but no one was in it. Just display of a prime, processors, and forgot what else (no 370t for sure) but whatever they had were behind glass. I was new to CES so I didn't know where to go from there. I really wanted to see this thing in person too. After CES was over then I thought maybe theyre in one of the rooms. But it was too late...CES was over....
Nvidia reps had no ETA on when Acer a510 nor the 370t will be released. Makes sense since theyre just the processor manufacturer.
Screen res IMO only matters with screen 32 inches and up. How clear do you really need a text to be. My laptop is 15 inch and is 1280x800 and its perfect for when I surf or play some games on it. But I remember when I used to have a celeron processor and hated it. I couldnt run alot of games and it was slow. I'm a gamer so for me Id rather have faster processor than higher res screen unless ofcouse were talking tvs that are 40" and up. Also advantage of quadcore is HDMI out to your TV. I have a Tegra2 acer a100 and its choppy on my TV. It's like watching a low frame rate movie. Compared the prime which barely lags at all. Not only when scrolling and such but opening/closing apps and even watching movies over HDMI. Everything just runs as it should with quad core. Now the real question is, do we really need anything higher than quadcore?
First, thanks for the report and the pics & vids.
>Screen res IMO only matters with screen 32 inches and up.
Discernible resolution depends on viewing distance. TVs' are 6-10' typical; desktop monitors about 2-3'; laptops probably 18-24"; tablets 12-18"; phones 12" or less.
It also depends on what's displayed. TVs display movies--moving graphics--and the eyes have a harder time discerning fine details, as comparing to, say, static black text on white background.
As said, 1080p-on-10" matters more for readers than gamers. But if display is migrated (via HDMI) to a large-screen TV, then 1080p is desirable for everyone. Low-framerate concern should be resolved with faster SoCs--and they're progressing at a pretty fast pace, thanks to competition.
One can say HDMI-connection is a small part of tablet use, which is true for now. But there are upcoming techs that will allow wireless connections to TVs (Intel WiDi, or even 802.11ac), so TV connections will be much more convenient, therefore more popular in the near future. (The TF700 will not have high-speed wireless, so this argument is more about "future tablets" than the TF700 specifically.)
Really, there is no dispute that a higher res is desirable for everyone. While you may not see a use for higher res currently, we're only scratching the surface of the tablet's potential functionality. Recall Gate's "640K ought to be enough for anybody" quote. If there's a point to argue, it'll be how much a 1080p tab is worth. Asus says it's +$100. I think the final say will lie with the iPad 3. It will determine pricing for the rest of the market.
>My laptop is 15 inch and is 1280x800
This brings up another point, which is that all of the above is about functionality. But whether a product gets feature X is more about increased SELLABILITY, rather than about increased functionality. Increased resolution is a very good selling point for tablets, as it's simple to understand. Most all TVs now are 1080p, even on small sets where one can't see the difference. Vendors can't sell 720p sets any more.
Laptops could have better res. One reason that they don't is that screen res was never a selling point, for whatever reason. It's mainly CPU.
It's different for tablets, because Apple is the standard bearer. Other vendors are trying to beat it on specs, since they can't (yet) compete on ecosystem. Once iPad goes to QXGA as expected, every vendor will have to follow, or risk being perceived as inferior (even more than they are now). This is regardless of whatever functionality the higher res offers. In short, Apple sets the standard.
To reiterate, there is a real functionality benefit for 1080p-on-10" now--for reading. Sharper text = less eye strain. (BTW, one casualty of the increased res will be e-ink, which is already suffering in sales relative to color Nooks and Kindle Fire.) I think e-reading will be an increasingly more popular use, given the ongoing migration to e-books. Apple's e-textbook announcement today underlines this sea change.
smoothness > resolution. Thats how it is for me.
High dpi surely is nice for text, but one of the biggest advantages over paper is that you can adjust the size of the text to you liking. And i like big letters. Smaller text profits much more from higher resolutions than when you zoom in anyway. Another point where i dont need 1080p on 10.1".
I played 320x240 software rendered games on my PC with a 17" CRT back in the days. I can take 1280x800 on 10.1" anytime
Retina display is just a marketing thing imho. Yeah you can hold the thing directly in front of your eye and dont see pixels. But you will never do that while actually using the device.
Smoothness is something that you notice everytime as soon as you start the device. But in my opinion smoothness has much more to do with good software optimization than with hardware. I have used a lot of different roms on my DesireHD with 1ghz singlecore cpu. I used some roms that were very minimalistic and still totally laggy. Right now i have a bloated sense 3.5 port on it and its iphone-ish smooth all the time. Only because of tweaks and software optimization from the rom chefs.
Prime will have bootloader unlock tool -> it will have custom roms -> win.
I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does. Snapdragon SoC's are the only reason why I'm not pulling the trigger on any LTE phones.
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I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does. Snapdragon SoC's are the only reason why I'm not pulling the trigger on any LTE phones.
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That's a good move. If you haven't heard the government actually trying to shut down LTE/4g networks. It interferes too much with other frequencies. It really interferes with BT. The companies were supposed to come up with a solution but all of the so called solutions have been disapproved so far by government.
>I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does.
What current games or apps are there that can't be run acceptably on a Krait, as versus, say, a Tegra 3? When you say underperform, are you talking about strictly benchmark differences?
>smoothness > resolution
With current Android, smoothness isn't so much a function of resolution as it is a function of the OS maturity. Many of the things you mentioned are UI-related, and it shouldn't take a quadcore to get a smooth UI.
>you can adjust the size of the text to you liking. And i like big letters.
By reading, I'm referring to long-form reading, eg books & periodicals. If you adjust font size for larger, many hard-layout texts will need larger than the display size, which in turn would need panning. You can't do the zoom/pan thing for every page of a book, as opposed to a web page.
As you said, that's where higher res has the most benefit in allowing smaller texts to still be legible, and not requiring panning.
In thinking about it, Apple's push into e-textbooks makes more sense, in that confirms the iPad3's higher resolution. E-textbooks with hard layouts would be a poor experience with the iPad's current 1024x768 res.
>Retina display is just a marketing thing imho.
Many aspects are marketing influenced, and have little to do with functionality--eg the Prime's aluminum shell. It looks and feels "more quality" than plastic, hence marketing dictates it will sell better. But it functions worse than plastic. In that sense, arguing about functionality is somewhat academic and not reflective of how product decisions are made.
Whenever I run the cpu at these speeds it seems to become unstable. It works much faster for about five minutes then the lagging begins. The temp gets rather high too. I have programs crash on me a lot regardless but it gets so bad when running at these clocking speeds that I must reboot. I also use system turner and will go from interactive to performance to having all cores locked on 1.6GHz. All these come to the same result, a deep freeze. Although, it is more likely to happen when all cores are at 1.6GHz. I feel like it should not do this as the prime was designed to run like this(not really even overclocking imo). Maybe it is overheating and trying to save itself.
Is there something i have done to cause this or is this a common occurrence? Maybe my tp has another defect to tally up.
Maybe this is why 1.5 and 1.6 are not stock modes? Poking about in /sys, i saw what looked like thermal backoff - looks like there is a table of CPU temp and throttle speed. so if it gets over 90C, it cuts the clock to 1GHz (guessing with the numbers)
You can't count this as a defect necessarily, different individual chips behave differently when overclocked even when they are in spec. Then again, maybe your device has voltage regulator issues.
MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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This is simply not true. Graphics processing is fully capable right now on the tablet at higher resolutions than the screen shows. Simply plug your tablet into a TV via the HDMI connection and you'll see it display just fine.
My question is if anyone else experiencing this.
I know the cpu is not meant to run all cores at a constant 1.6GHz but i don't think it should be causing problems in the first minute or so. From my understanding the only ill effects reported from doing this is a drained battery. I have not heard of anyone else experiencing this.
This Friday specs were leaked about the new ASUS tablets and guess what... the TF300 has:
- 1.2 Ghz Tegra 3
- Same RAM as Prime (1gb)
- Same res but no Super IPS
- Same camera's
According to the website Asus will call this their budget tablet... I think they just did these minor changes so they can call it a new product and not a replacement of Prime...
Link (Dutch, but also with a spec sheet picture): http://www.tabletsmagazine.nl/2012/02/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tf300t-en-tf700t-alle-specificaties/
That plastic body must be pretty heavy, less battery and heavier. Else most the same.
Edit: Seeing the TF700 specs.
Interesting the use of Qualcomm dual core.
Also I would prefer the LCD slightly larger (read less bevel) than 10 inches.
I wonder how much this tablet will cost. The specs don't seem that low for a "budget" tab and aside from losing super IPS I doubt people would notice a difference between the Prime and the tf300.
It would be very interesting if the tf300 worked with the Primes keyboard dock as well since the keyboard is a selling point for a lot of people. Of course we prolly won't know if they are compatible until the tf300 hits retail.
That last column is the TF700 right? So it won't have a tegra 3 processor? Isn't that pretty big news? I have to assume most people expected it to be the same as the TF201 with a better resolution and other minor changes.
The TF300's memory on the chart shows "1G DDR3L" in red which seems to indicate differences. I thought the Tegra3 data bus could only support DDR2 memory.
Here is an explanation of DDR3L (low-voltage):
"Two low voltage DDR3 standards have been introduced by JEDEC. The DDR3L standard operates with a default voltage of 1.35V, using at least 15% less power than standard voltage (1.5V) DDR3. Modules with DDR3L are labeled ’’PC3L’’, and examples include DDR3L‐800, DDR3L‐1066, DDR3L‐1333, and DDR3L‐1600. The DDR3U standard operates with a default voltage of 1.25V, and modules are labelled ’’PC3U’’."
Assuming that the TF300 is less expensive than the TFP and does not have the issues with WiFi or any new major issues. This unit hits the sweet spot for me, but of course it will be a long while before that can be assessed.
Already a thread out discussing this. Tf-300 is just a replacement to OG transformer. A dumbed down spec compared to prime. Less battery life, less powerful, screen display not as good, less storage, made of plastic, no Flash for cam.
This a great choice for those who can't afford the high end premium Prime. Still good. Just no where as good as Prime.
Pretty much expected. The Prime for now is the flagship, which means it gets the spiffy unibody aluminum shell. The iPad look is a major sales hook, but costs more to make, and Asus needs something at the $400 price point for its midrange model. That's where the TF300T fits. It's not replacing the TF201, but the TF101 which is now obsolete.
From the weight spec, TF300T looks typical for a plastic shell at 600-ish. Asus shaved 40g from the TF101, but it still weighs 58g more than the TF201. It'll have its own proprietary dock. Those thinking of using their old dock, don't get your hopes up. As has been admitted by Asus itself, the dock is where it makes the bucks.
The apparent SoC change from the Teg3 isn't a major surprise. Processor specs moves on, and apparently the Teg3 won't be good enough for flagship status for the latter half of 2012. The surprise is that the T suffix, which was thought to denote a Tegra model, is not.
If the Teg3 moves down to mid-range status, then it would make more sense for the MeMo 370T to get a Teg3 given its announced $250 pricing.
>Less battery life
From these specs at least, battery life is only one hour less for the unit itself. The big hit is in the dock, which apparently will add only 50% to total battery life instead of doubling it. This means a much smaller battery for the dock, which should also means a lower cost (probably $100). I always thought that the $150 price for the dock was a bit too rich. Apparently Asus agrees for the midrange model. Price for 300T for US should be $400 + $100 dock = $500 total.
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Pretty much expected. The Prime for now is the flagship, which means it gets the spiffy unibody aluminum shell. The iPad look is a major sales hook, but costs more to make, and Asus needs something at the $400 price point for its midrange model. That's where the TF300T fits. It's not replacing the TF201, but the TF101 which is now obsolete.
From the weight spec, TF300T looks typical for a plastic shell at 600-ish. Asus shaved 40g from the TF101, but it still weighs 58g more than the TF201. It'll have its own proprietary dock. Those thinking of using their old dock, don't get your hopes up. As has been admitted by Asus itself, the dock is where it makes the bucks.
The apparent SoC change from the Teg3 isn't a major surprise. Processor specs moves on, and apparently the Teg3 won't be good enough for flagship status for the latter half of 2012. The surprise is that the T suffix, which was thought to denote a Tegra model, is not.
If the Teg3 moves down to mid-range status, then it would make more sense for the MeMo 370T to get a Teg3 given its announced $250 pricing.
>Less battery life
From these specs at least, battery life is only one hour less for the unit itself. The big hit is in the dock, which apparently will add only 50% to total battery life instead of doubling it. This means a much smaller battery for the dock, which should also means a lower cost (probably $100). I always thought that the $150 price for the dock was a bit too rich. Apparently Asus agrees for the midrange model. Price for 300T for US should be $400 + $100 dock = $500 total.
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The article that included that table said that the new chip in tf-700 might be more of a test chip. There are several videos from Asus themselves from CES n such saying the tf-700 will clearly have tegra3 in it. If table holds true to specs, then it contradicts what they said in the various videos of them demoing their tablet. Once release time comes, we will know for sure.
So, if this is taking over the tf101's spot and price point in their lineup, will the tf101 be dropped completely I wonder, or still be offered with an even further reduced price point. If the latter, it could seriously compete with the price of low budget tablets like the Kindle Fire.
I always get confused with Qualcomm SoCs because they don't have names that you remember. Anyway, a quickie look-up for the APQ8060A part shows that it is the modem-less variant of the Snapdragon S4 family (graphic below). Purported clock speed for TF700T is 1.5GHz. 1080p is of course standard.
http://androidtabletupdate.com/tag/apq8060a/
The change, per this site, is because "ASUS needed 2.4GB/s of video bandwidth and Tegra 3 was unable to provide that much, since the T30 SOC still comes with a single-channel memory controller. Qualcomm APQ8060A is an S4 series processor based of two Krait cores clocked between 1.5 and 1.7GHz, has a dual-channel memory controller for 500MHz LPDDR2 memory, and most importantly for a tablet with such high resolution - Adreno 225 graphics processor."
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As some others have noted, at first glance the specs look similar but clock speed is reduced, ddr3l is used (cheaper and less power efficient than lpddr2... Might partially explain some of the battery life difference), bulkier, lower quality ips panel, no flash, less storage, heavier, and less battery life. Gps is not mentioned, and although the prime's gps isn't great, may be non existent on 300t. (Speculation)
Still looks to me like a decent tablet, but definitely not a direct replacement for prime.
intresting guys
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I have to say, this makes me feel much more secure with my purchase of the tf201.
I was going hold off with my tf101 until the tf700, but looking at those specs I'm glad I made the decision to buy now.
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ddr3l is used (cheaper and less power efficient than lpddr2...
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DDR3 has twice the b/w of DDR2. Why would low power equivalents of both not still make DDR3 superior?
The primary benefit of DDR3 SDRAM over its immediate predecessor, DDR2 SDRAM, is its ability to transfer data at twice the rate (eight times the speed of its internal memory arrays), enabling higher bandwidth or peak data rates. With two transfers per cycle of a quadrupled clock, a 64-bit wide DDR3 module may achieve a transfer rate of up to 64 times the memory clock speed in megabytes per second (MB/s). With data being transferred 64 bits at a time per memory module, DDR3 SDRAM gives a transfer rate of (memory clock rate) × 4 (for bus clock multiplier) × 2 (for data rate) × 64 (number of bits transferred) / 8 (number of bits/byte). Thus with a memory clock frequency of 100 MHz, DDR3 SDRAM gives a maximum transfer rate of 6400 MB/s. In addition, the DDR3 standard permits chip capacities of up to 8 gigabytes.
Improvements in silicon production processes have enabled a reduction in the core and I/O voltage for an incremental improvement in DDR3. Called “DDR3L” for Low Voltage, the new devices will operate from a single 1.35V rail, compared to the 1.5V of existing devices, resulting in a power savings of 20% in many mainstream applications. As many computing systems work to meet growing demand for green technologies, this savings is a breath of fresh air.
The Prime is on it's own league, the 300 can be considered an "upgrade" of the OT, and the 700 just a higher resolution offer, the Prime stands firm as the flagship IMO.
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The S4 seems to be very fast!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2813735/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-benchmarks
I play Test Drive Unlimited 2, the Veyron is insanely fast, yet nobody can control that thing besides in straight line and under 200 kmh. We will see this later on when actually mounted and operating, on paper, looks brutal indeed.
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Hello everybody,
Sorry for my poor english.
I created the Wikipedia article on the TF300T (since I am a new member on XDA, I can't link to the page but you will find it on Wikipedia English typing "TF300T"), if you want to contribute.
Thanks.
I am very interested by this tablet for many reasons:
- my budget is limited, I can't afford the Transformer Prime;
- I prefer tablets made of plastic/ABS rather than metal/aluminium (which I feel cold);
- I had the Prime in my hands and it was too thin for me, I would be afraid to break it or to twist/bend it. I press the keyboard of my netbook pretty hard already, especially the place to put my wrist.
I really look forward the release of this TF300T in France.
I hope I won't wait too long. I wanted a tablet since the iPad1 announced in january 2010 if I remember well. It is more than 2 years now. But I prefer an Android rather than an iOS device.
>The S4 seems to be very fast!
Looking at the Anandtech bench numbers of the S4 Krait vs the Teg3:
Qualcomm S4 Krait benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/1
Nvidia Tegra 3 benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/2
CPU
. Linpack single-threaded (higher=better): Krait 106.8, Teg3 47.2
. Linpack multi-threaded (higher=better): Krait 218.2, Teg3 135.9
. SunSpider Javascript (lower=better): Krait 1532, Teg3 1695
. Rightware BrowserMark (higher=better): Krait 110345, Teg3 103768
GPU
. GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Offscreen 720p (higher=better): Krait 52.2, Teg3 64.4
. GLBenchmark 2.1 Pro Offscreen 720p (higher=better): Krait 62.2, Teg3 78.4
. RightWare Basemark ES 2.0 Hoverjet (higher=better): Krait 43.8, Teg3 28.6
. RightWare Basemark ES 2.0 Taiji (higher=better): Krait 27.6, Teg3 15.8
For CPU, Krait @ 1.5GHz is better than Teg3 across the board.
GPU comparison is mixed. Both GL Benchmark and Rightware Basemark ES 2.0 test for OpenGL ES 2.0 performance. Not sure why the discrepancy where Krait does better on the Basemark, but worse on the GLBench. Note that for Basemark numbers, Krait uses 1024x600 while Teg3 uses 1024x768, so the Teg3 is driving a 28% larger screen size.
Yeah dang that s4 is fast! I wouldn't worry about that screen resolution most can be accounted for by the bar on the bottom thats is very stationary
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Stock clocks on CM 10.1 M1 build. Impressed!
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Wow, i hope they can make games that use this! It looks amazing on the N10 and has great performance too.
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The most impressive thing besides the visuals on the N10 at that awesome resolution is how well the game scales.. Even on my aging Nexus S 4G it's averaging 32FPS @ 800x480 HQ.. It's obvious some shaders aren't being used and the textures are lower quality to compensate for the lower spec hardware.. But still impressive as heck.
Comparisons at the same HQ / 100% performance settings.
Nexus 10 (resized to match Nexus S resolution)
Nexus S 4G
So what kind of numbers are y'all getting?
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51.5
I got 52.3 on max settings, running the latest CM 10.1 Nightly and the latest KTManta kernel. Color me impressed.
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Ditto.
Did this on 4chan yesterday.
42FPS on the HOX
nice graphics!
i must test this
but thats only 2560x1440 res
get rid of the bottom bar and run it in 2560x1600
Edit: so sharp graphics!
its just like you can touch it
here is my results (just Stock Rom with Ktmanta kernel)
So just in theory could the appearance of Epic Citadel in PlayStore mean that some day in future infinity blade will come to android ? I mean the same happened on iOS , maybe they want to collect testing data to find out which android devices are able to run IBlade smoothly
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=23656801
This shows the gaming potential of the N10 , devs please respond
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So just in theory could the appearance of Epic Citadel in PlayStore mean that some day in future infinity blade will come to android ? I mean the same happened on iOS , maybe they want to collect testing data to find out which android devices are able to run IBlade smoothly
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Infinity Blade is not coming to android ever. Epic has stated that already.
Looks like there's a need for me to flash ktmanta kernel and see if it provides me a boost. My performance is a bit low. Could also be that I'm on M1 instead of a bleeding edge nightly ROM.
Never doubted the horsepower this tab has. Will only get better as devs from Google get used to the A15 architecture.
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This demo is a perfect "demo" for the thermal throttling that is going on with my device.
When I start up the benchmark with a cold device, it gets 51 fps average with no drop below 30 fps the entire go.
But if I continue to run the benchmark, I slowly lose frames. After 2 or 3 more runs through my device is hot on the back and my framerates are bottoming out at times in the teens and single digits. After the 5th benchmark I was down to a 41 fps average with stuttering the whole way through.
I'm running stock. Can anyone try this on CM 10.1? Do you guys lose framerate as the device heats up? Its it actually software related or did I get crappy silicon?
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This demo is a perfect "demo" for the thermal throttling that is going on with my device.
When I start up the benchmark with a cold device, it gets 51 fps average with no drop below 30 fps the entire go.
But if I continue to run the benchmark, I slowly lose frames. After 2 or 3 more runs through my device is hot on the back and my framerates are bottoming out at times in the teens and single digits. After the 5th benchmark I was down to a 41 fps average with stuttering the whole way through.
I'm running stock. Can anyone try this on CM 10.1? Do you guys lose framerate as the device heats up? Its it actually software related or did I get crappy silicon?
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It'll be the same exact case under CM 10.1, with the included kernel. There's a few custom kernels that have different means of handling the throttling though (franco.Kernel drops the memory downclock, and only makes the CPU go down straight to 1GHz (and then down to 700Mhz if it's still hot) instead of the 100MHz increment drops of stock)
I ran the benchmark from my N10 while it was hooked to a HDTV and also got 41 FPS average.
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It'll be the same exact case under CM 10.1, with the included kernel. There's a few custom kernels that have different means of handling the throttling though (franco.Kernel drops the memory downclock, and only makes the CPU go down straight to 1GHz (and then down to 700Mhz if it's still hot) instead of the 100MHz increment drops of stock)
I ran the benchmark from my N10 while it was hooked to a HDTV and also got 41 FPS average.
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Is the device just not capable of pushing its pixels to the max for long periods of time without overheating?
I do realize that this is a heavy benchmark. Maybe I'm being unrealistic in my expectations? I hate to ask but would an Ipad 4 have the same troubles?
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Is the device just not capable of pushing its pixels to the max for long periods of time without overheating?
I do realize that this is a heavy benchmark. Maybe I'm being unrealistic in my expectations? I hate to ask but would an Ipad 4 have the same troubles?
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Hmm, the GPU by itself can push the pixels, but I believe it's mainly the CPU that is causing the temperature throttling (although, both the CPU and GPU are on the same chip).
Technically, a hardware-accelerated 1440p movie should play fine, but a software (CPU) accelerated 1440p video should cause the throttling after a while (but I have not tested this), given that it's the CPU causing most of the heat.
StabilityTest (Classic CPU benchmark) will also cause throttling after a while, so it doesn't seem to be specific to the GPU.
Throttling isn't specific to benchmarks or stress tests either. Need for Speed: Most Wanted is a pretty well known game to cause the trottling (while racing, framerate will just slow down, for some to almost slide-show speeds and then jump back to normal).
I just benched multiple times and I get 50.9 fps. I am running CM 10.1 M1.
throttling?
lol
just set it to start throttle at 200 degrees and that **** will never bother you.
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cb3ck said:
without overheating?
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its not overheating
its heating up but thats normal
Patrik G said:
its not overheating
its heating up but thats normal
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I realize it's not overheating, but in my mind something is borked when the tablet software is gimping the performance of the device because of the crappy way it cycles down to keep the cpu/gpu temperature at a certain level.
Patrik G said:
throttling?
lol
just set it to start throttle at 200 degrees and that **** will never bother you.
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Pretty sure the back plastic melting might bother me after a while
(Possible) joking aside, the current limit is like 85C I think on the CPU side. I have a feeling there's a wide margin for... some kind of physical damage between 85C and however much hotter the tablet gets, up to 200C.
It is pretty cheap that the device was sold with such throttling. Would be like me selling a GPU that can have an amazing 2GHz core clock, but only for 2 seconds before it "throttles" down to an average 1GHz Throttling should not be something one encounters with general usage
55.0 FPS with KTManta @612 MHz on Rasbeanjelly, at stock frequencies I get 53.something.