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Nobody should be surprised.
iPhone > *
Oh well better late then don't getting it at all. If you really want ICS already then just run an custom rom with ICS.
Just pointing out, the OP is in Moscow...the email from HTC was directed at a Moscow user. Europe's rollout will be on a different schedule, and America's will be on yet a different schedule. Rollout will not be on the same date worldwide.
and i think the device list gets them first, in order
so EVO3d is like, second last ?
It's insane to me that the custom ROM community can produce multiple ICS ROMs without access to any of HTCs resources well before HTC can release a single ROM.
I can only think of 3 possibilities:
They have less than one person (per device) working full-time on the updates.
HTC employs the worst developers on the planet.
They wont let release ICS updates until they've sold new phones with ICS for a couple months.
oldjackbob said:
Just pointing out, the OP is in Moscow...the email from HTC was directed at a Moscow user. Europe's rollout will be on a different schedule, and America's will be on yet a different schedule. Rollout will not be on the same date worldwide.
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Don't GSM users usually get ICS first? I think the Sensation and SGS2 GSM users got ICS first.
Mine and Knowledge's team will win! Take that to bank
On another note, I was hoping Slaughter's team would win
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It's insane to me that the custom ROM community can produce multiple ICS ROMs without access to any of HTCs resources well before HTC can release a single ROM.
I can only think of 3 possibilities:
They have less than one person (per device) working full-time on the updates.
HTC employs the worst developers on the planet.
They wont let release ICS updates until they've sold new phones with ICS for a couple months.
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Custom roms are still not feature complete.
Think most people here have given up hope to get ICS before Jellybean drops. ICS been out over six months already, HTC suk; never again.
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They wont let release ICS updates until they've sold new phones with ICS for a couple months.
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This is the obvious and relevant reason for me
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Custom roms are still not feature complete.
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The only reason they aren't feature complete is because of closed source HTC drivers.
Anyway, I really don't think that takes away from my argument. HTC will release ICS once they are sure it will not hurt sales of new devices. It's also the reason we wont see Sense 4.0.
It can't be time or cost effective to build ICS with Sense 3.6 and ICS with Sense 4.0. There is little in Sense that is hardware dependent. It's ICS that needs to support the hardware. It would make more sense to have one code base with slight variations for each device.
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This is the obvious and relevant reason for me
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So what about the Vivid getting ICS before the OneXL is released on ATT???....
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So what about the Vivid getting ICS before the OneXL is released on ATT???....
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I don't know. Maybe AT&T made them do it, so they could have a flagship ICS phone like Verizon. If that's not the reason, what possible incompetence would cause it to take this long. Maybe they just don't give a ****...
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I don't know. Maybe AT&T made them do it, so they could have a flagship ICS phone like Verizon. If that's not the reason, what possible incompetence would cause it to take this long. Maybe they just don't give a ****...
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maybe its not so easy upgrading all these different devices to ICS as some make it out to be?....Not to even mention the ones that have to go through carrier approval too...
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It's insane to me that the custom ROM community can produce multiple ICS ROMs without access to any of HTCs resources well before HTC can release a single ROM.
I can only think of 3 possibilities:
They have less than one person (per device) working full-time on the updates.
HTC employs the worst developers on the planet.
They wont let release ICS updates until they've sold new phones with ICS for a couple months.
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If one of our devs release a buggy rom we tell them and they can fix it because we're understanding.
But if a carrier releases a buggy rom they get sued and lose customers, and also give the particular device a bad name
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I ended up giving my girlfriend my Evo3D and switching back to my old Samsung Epic 4G (the slider one) - it's slower, bulkier and has less memory but damn ICS runs smooth on it and everything works. 4G, Cam, etc... I have yet to have a single issue after 2 weeks of heavy use.
Even still, I miss my Evo3D but not enough to go back to using gingerbread.
Whatever. I'll be getting the evo 4g lte soon anyway. I'll get by with mikrunny until then.
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I'm still happy with Sense 3.5. I honestly don't get why many people are so desperate in having ICS.
If it's ready for our device then we will get the update, but I can not think off many things that need ICS. And if you willing to lose the 3D feature and camera then I suggest flash Virtuous S4V Beta2.
Biggest bugs are: 3D not working and camera, rest everything works. But I'm not willing to lose features just for having already ICS.
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But if a carrier releases a buggy rom they get sued
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Really?? I think you are wrong. Sprint 6 months ago released the GB rom for the OPTIMUS S. That "update" borked the charging, ear piece volume and other things. Sprint had to PULL THE UPDATE and have customers DOWNGRADE their phones back to Froyo. Sprint didn't get sued considering that rom was buggy as hell. They actually JUST re-released the update starting yesterday.
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Here is the list of the first wave of Bell smartphones which will get ICS update.
As you can see, update for Sensation is going to be released in February, and Sensation got a similar hardware as Evo 3D (Evo 3D has more RAM and 3D stuff).
So what do you think guys?
Early March
I think its bs how these updates come out. Can't wait for less fragmentation, every phone needs to be like a nexus.
I don't think fragmentation will ever be less. Android being so open and OEMS like HTC, LG, Samsung and Motorola creating new software to bloat and drastically change the way android looks/feels...coupled with individual carrier bloat...it may get worse but not better. Sad
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Regardless of when, I want to see a single HTC device with Android 4.0 just so my expectations are set. Disappointment? Stocky goodness? We'll see.
I'm going to be honest, I'm starting to see less and less financial motivation for HTC to drop ICS on the 3D. If I were to throw a bet on it I think I would bet a very late release or none at all.
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I'm going to be honest, I'm starting to see less and less financial motivation for HTC to drop ICS on the 3D. If I were to throw a bet on it I think I would bet a very late release or none at all.
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Pretty sure they have to.
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I'm going to be honest, I'm starting to see less and less financial motivation for HTC to drop ICS on the 3D. If I were to throw a bet on it I think I would bet a very late release or none at all.
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they have to since they signed up to be supporting the devices for 18months giving them updates during that time period at the least. Was announced at google's IO long ago.
And if Sprint Exec is right about no LTE phone till later 3rd qtr next yr, you'd think HTC would want to push ICS sooner than later to 3D's in order to keep selling them during the first half of the year next year. I am assuming that the LTE phone will in fact be an HTC device as it would only make sense to do such since they have always been the flagship device for sprint lately. Given that they would push their normal release of "super phones" from june/july like with evo's to late 3rd qtr to match the sprint exec's comments. This creates a larger gap for them to fill and one that they would likely fill by ICS on the 3D.
I would like to be optimistic, and say Feb will be the month, but HTC will release 5 new phones, all with ICS, before they upgrade the first existing phone with an ICS rom. I say mid/late March. And my prediction is the unlocked GSM version will get the update first.
tokuzumi said:
I would like to be optimistic, and say Feb will be the month, but HTC will release 5 new phones, all with ICS, before they upgrade the first existing phone with an ICS rom. I say mid/late March. And my prediction is the unlocked GSM version will get the update first.
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Wrong prediction. Branded devices always have higher priority. Proof is any HTC phone. For example, Legend, a year ago 2.2 OTA was released for vodafone a week before it was released for not branded devices.
HTC is pretty quick about updates... it will very likely be in march/april. no later. maybe earlier.
just waiting for it to drop, i will be patiently waiting for it to be thrown up on here by a dev, rooted, zipped, ready to go.
bloodrain954 said:
I think its bs how these updates come out. Can't wait for less fragmentation, every phone needs to be like a nexus.
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If all phones were nexus android would be turned into iPhone, one choice one phone
Fragmentation is a fancy word people like to use to sound important, fraction is if your hardware is last generation then you won't get next Gen software upgrades ...economics really
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HTC is pretty quick about updates... it will very likely be in march/april. no later. maybe earlier.
just waiting for it to drop, i will be patiently waiting for it to be thrown up on here by a dev, rooted, zipped, ready to go.
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It's funny that we consider 5-6 months "quick". Nexus S updates have started rolling out already while we have to wait halfway to the time that Google drops another version of android. I wish Sprint would get a Nexus before it was dated :-/
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It's funny that we consider 5-6 months "quick". Nexus S updates have started rolling out already while we have to wait halfway to the time that Google drops another version of android. I wish Sprint would get a Nexus before it was dated :-/
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Get a nexus s? Oh wait you wanted something different, different takes time people
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"Quick" isn't 5 months from source drop. Half the devs on this board could cook a rom from source given drivers source in a day or two.
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Get a nexus s? Oh wait you wanted something different, different takes time people
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I mentioned I wanted a nexus before it was dated. Where did I say I wanted something "different"?
Sure it takes time...takes about half a year. Will we get an upgrade to Sense or will we get screwed like we did on the evo.
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"Quick" isn't 5 months from source drop. Half the devs on this board could cook a rom from source given drivers source in a day or two.
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Though if they are re-doing Sense itself then you have to give them a lil longer.
Vote
I say March.
Ideal future = All phones have AOSP-type ROMs OOTB; Pre-loaded "launcher" from manufacturers can easily be switched to and from.
Real future = Same as right now.
Anyway, I probably won't own the Evo 3D by the time ICS is ready for it; it's a shame but the truth.
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Ideal future = All phones have AOSP-type ROMs OOTB; Pre-loaded "launcher" from manufacturers can easily be switched to and from.
Real future = Same as right now.
Anyway, I probably won't own the Evo 3D by the time ICS is ready for it; it's a shame but the truth.
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Then enjoy what ever other carrier you are switching too as I can't see any other phone Sprint is getting b/w now and when ICS will be on the 3D worth a penny. Only thing worth waiting for is the next flagship phone which will likely be the LTE phones they release in 3rd qtr next yr.
(now for a opinion/statement... don't take this as a negative, the progress being made is great and all the Devs are doing one heck of a job)
ICS is the new hotness and everyone wants it... but it seems that getting it running properly is probably going to take a lot of work and time. (Tbolt still has no data for example)
That is why I am hopping for a GB port. (CM7 for example) In theory, it should be much easier to port that over than ICS right?
We can have some GB AOSP goodness to hold us over until all the kernel problems and other issues with ICS are worked out.
Now if we can get the major bits working on ICS then this is moot. As long as data, wifi, and the phone works, I can handle a few bugs and a few random reboots.
(Once again not trying to be negative or knock down the achievements being made these last few days. I have been following the threads every chance I get.)
So a question to you guys out there... what do you think?
Both are going to take a large amount of time to achieve. Seeing as we have maybe 1 AOSP GB kernel, and I'm not even sure if that works. Also the whole issue with CM7 was the RIL thanks to LTE and that took awhile for the Tbolt to iron out. Also our phone is likely to get an offical release for ICS sooner than the tbolt, and probably will be easier to adapt. Who knows it could take less time and effort this time around to get a functioning RIL. But in my eyes why would they want to dump time into CM7 especially when theres the chance for pure AOSP ICS/Sense ICS on our devices? It's not like our phones don't run great w/ the sense roms at the moment. Only thing irritating me are the bootlops w/ the kernels. Not sure if thats voltage or software stability.. Honestly at this point it would be more wise to put focus onto ICS development. With ALL the improvements that ICS offers would be foolish to stick on GB.
From what I just read in another kernel, data would be an issue regardless.
I was thinking that GB would be easier to get working. If not, then there is no need.
ICS is definitely the way to go.
Data is the usual issue when dealing with these kinds of ports. I'm not sure if anyone is working on a GB AOSP rom, or even if theyre bothering to port CM7. From what I've hard the RIL can be a real pain in the ass.
Figured that sort of thing would be made robust to make it easier to get on many different devices.
You'd think so but software fragmentation is a monster in it's own. But hopefully with ICS we will truly have a unified platform this time around.
Right now they are doing what they can. The real magic will happen after we get the ics update and the ics kernel source.
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I dont know about everyone else, but my phone is running just fine on GB, GingerSense to be exact (and ran fine stock). I think at this point ICS is more of a fanboy thing. All these people want to hop on the bandwagon because it's the newest thing, without even proof it's really going to make the Android experience that much better. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something?
There is proof, it is called the Galaxy Nexus.
ICS will be worth the wait just to get the second core in our dual-core phones running.
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ICS will be worth the wait just to get the second core in our dual-core phones running.
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We're only running on one core now?
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We're only running on one core now?
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It acts more like an overflow core. Honeycomb and ICS are optimized for dual core.
Just like root came, this will come too, in time. I can wait for now.
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There is proof, it is called the Galaxy Nexus.
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I have yet to hear of any ICS specific function that makes the Nexus so much better of an experience to the point that I must have ICS asap.
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That is why I am hopping for a GB port. (CM7 for example) In theory, it should be much easier to port that over than ICS right?
We can have some GB AOSP goodness to hold us over until all the kernel problems and other issues with ICS are worked out.
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+1!!
bring on cm7
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I have yet to hear of any ICS specific function that makes the Nexus so much better of an experience to the point that I must have ICS asap.
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There is nothing special about the Nexus, per se, but ICS brings further hardware acceleration and dual-core optimization. The Rezound runs rock-solid on GB, but it will be unbelievable on ICS.
Beyond that, I like the re-sizeable and scrollable widgets that are stock-ICS, which brings a great feature to people who use launchers without that ability. And ICS has some really slick widget-updates to YouTube and Gallery, among others. Not to mention finally getting an Email and Gmail widget, although they failed in not having a universal widget for all messages.
How about the fact that ics actually has a design identity and looks decent. Sense gingerbread is horrible.
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I love it on my captivate. Runs smooth as silk
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How about the fact that ics actually has a design identity and looks decent. Sense gingerbread is horrible.
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To each his own. I've always liked how sense looks
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Scroslers ICS is running pretty damn smooth including data, wifi etc
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Are there any ICS CDMA ROMs or ROM/Kernel combos that aren't having the data bug? (I know about the toggling airplane mode on/off several times workaround) I was running the CM9 alpha using stock kernel and I missed a few important phone calls one evening about a month ago. I haven't really looked around since. (Functional camera is a non-issue since my camera is busted.)
Miui V4 data was working right out of the gate and I don't remember having too many issues with signal/data with that ROM.
I'm on good 'ol CM7 for now for stability and battery life.
EDIT: the stock kernel works fine, or you can use Taimat's newest one for the EVO 3D CDMA (do a quick Google search). I was running AnthraX as well at one point.
I have been using toastcfh's new CM9 build for a couple of hours now, and I haven't seen any dropouts of 3G. I would get them all the time in other builds. Of course only time will tell, but it looks good so far. I also agree with G.Newton, MIUIv4 has not had the 3G problem that I am aware of, and I ran that for a few weeks.
Thanks guys. I guess I'll check into MIUI 4. What's Toast's newest CM9 build?
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I flashed MIUI v4, rebooted once and data was gone. Here's to Nandroid... I guess I'll just wait for the Nexus to launch.
Really? That's weird. But here is the link to toast's new build.
Edit: link removed. Sorry, not mine to give out.
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How recent is that build?
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The last time I ran CM9 was beginning of February. I may give the most recent a go. I'm starting to get a little frustrated, as I'm sure we all are.
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The last time I ran CM9 was beginning of February. I may give the most recent a go. I'm starting to get a little frustrated, as I'm sure we all are.
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Frustrated with what?
The fact that the Sensation, despite being "less of a phone" than ours, is getting more love from HTC, HTC is being doucheboxes about releasing updates or source for the updates we already have, Chad got trolled almost completely out of existance, etc. I was developmentally spoiled because I came from the OG EVO and it just seems like HTC is taking a piss on the owners of the 3D.
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The fact that the Sensation, despite being "less of a phone" than ours, is getting more love from HTC, HTC is being doucheboxes about releasing updates or source for the updates we already have, Chad got trolled almost completely out of existance, etc. I was developmentally spoiled because I came from the OG EVO and it just seems like HTC is taking a piss on the owners of the 3D.
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Are you a dev? I think those are the only people that have the right to get frustrated. We are given all roms, mods, tools, kernels, etc for FREE. If HTC is slow to release source so what, are you going to dev on the source? Sounds like you're frustrated because a new ROM isn't put out every few days. With what we have, our devs have accomplished A LOT. If you bought the 3D (or any phone) for dev support.. HA. You should buy a phone if you like it just the way it is, and any development on it is just icing on the cake. HTC will release source/update in due time. In the meantime, patience. I'm sorry that you were spoiled but please don't complain about **** we already know.
Wow. You done? You made plenty of assumptions there without asking any questions or seeking more information and then blasted me for being frustrated at a phone while also insinuating that I am ungrateful toward developers. I don't expect anything from the developers, given they're clearly working with no support from HTC, and I know they give away their ROMs/mods/kernels/etc while asking for nothing in return. I do expect, however, to not be belittled by somebody for expressing a feeling. Thanks for your insight bro.
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People are forgetting what message boards are for. It's for voicing opinions, providing information, heck anything. Who isn't frustrated with HTC right now? That's one reason why these forums exist so we can vent our frustrations with HTC and see what we can do to put pressure on them. I get so tired of people saying "keep it to yourself" because if that was the case, this site's traffic would greatly reduce and trust me, I know xda doesn't want that. Now I do agree that complaining about devs shouldn't be done period.
Now, back to the topic at hand. I can confirm that the latest toashcfh build of CM9 with the stock kernel does not appear to have the data bug I initially asked about.
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Now, back to the topic at hand. I can confirm that the latest toashcfh build of CM9 with the stock kernel does not appear to have the data bug I initially asked about.
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Lot of good things said about that build. Sorry man, but you said the keywords "developmentally spoiled" and proceeded with a frustrated comparison to the Evo 3G. That sounds like complaining, but no need for me to have gone there with ya brah. Yes, we, especially the devs are all frustrated.
We as the consumer want the update free and fast, while HTC needs to make money therefore they like it slow. A good business relationship is a middle ground between HTC and the end-consumer.
If data and signal cuts out ever, and toggling doesn't work, *#*#4636#*#* > Phone info > change radio and you should have signal. Then toggling brings back data.
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Really? That's weird. But here is the link to toast's new build.
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Remove that link or else you'll get in trouble.
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Its AT&T!
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Yep, just updated op.
Sound like good news!!!!
Hmm..... This leak business is making it harder for me to believe att is making any effort to get the official out. Come on att, get with the times.
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IM HAPPY lol
UPDATE in OP
Even if AT&T isn't making a huge effort to release it, maybe this means it will be released as 4.0.4 instead of 4.0.3 or 4.0.2 like other devices? :3
Can't wait to see this taken on by flappjaxxxx
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Even if AT&T isn't making a huge effort to release it, maybe this means it will be released as 4.0.4 instead of 4.0.3 or 4.0.2 like other devices? :3
Can't wait to see this taken on by flappjaxxxx
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Can't wait to get source so that we can have custom kernels.
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At&t Gtab 8.9 lte love? *crosses fingers
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THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I want to celebrate!!
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I wonder how long it will take before it actually leaks. I know it's not under DesignGears control (Not bashing him at all).
Last time the "It's going to leak" thread like this one got closed after a week, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Hmm..... This leak business is making it harder for me to believe att is making any effort to get the official out. Come on att, get with the times.
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You must not have been around very long. AT&T is about a year behind on updates and when/by the time they get around to it.. Leaks for 2 versions newer have been out.
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Hmm..... This leak business is making it harder for me to believe att is making any effort to get the official out. Come on att, get with the times.
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You must not have been around very long. AT&T is about a year behind on updates and when/by the time they get around to it.. Leaks for 2 versions newer have been out.
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Over and over I keep seeing everyone blaming ATT. Canadian carriers have not released it either. Maybe it is samsung and not our carriers. Maybe samsung is still working on a kernel issue and it is not ready. And now a new leak is about to be released. ATT is producing these leaks?? I don't think so, it is samsung. And no way is ATT a year behind on updates. That comment is absurd. There are many non branded European phones for samsung and HTC still waiting on the ICS update too. So much easier for some of you to just point the finger at ATT.
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Over and over I keep seeing everyone blaming ATT. Canadian carriers have not released it either. Maybe it is samsung and not our carriers. Maybe samsung is still working on a kernel issue and it is not ready.
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This.
Or, it could be that the 3rd party app devs that Ma Bell allows in are having problems getting their apps working right alongside TW or the S-Pen. Or maybe someone at the top says they want a nice S-Pen game or maybe...
LOL, point is, there may be one really stupid reason or twenty really good reasons. I just don't think that AT&T worries about it that much, it's not like they are banking on ICS being a reason for more people to buy the Note.
We only see ATT leaks. Where are the Telus, Bell, and Rogers leaks?
Snarksneeze said:
This.
Or, it could be that the 3rd party app devs that Ma Bell allows in are having problems getting their apps working right alongside TW or the S-Pen. Or maybe someone at the top says they want a nice S-Pen game or maybe...
LOL, point is, there may be one really stupid reason or twenty really good reasons. I just don't think that AT&T worries about it that much, it's not like they are banking on ICS being a reason for more people to buy the Note.
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Why would ATT be worried about this update? It is not really a factorable selling point anyways. For every one person here on XDA waiting for the update there are a 1000 others who buy and use the note as it is and could care less about an ICS update.
For what ever reason it is not officially released really doesn't matter. It will be released soon. And I would rather wait for a ROM that works flawlessly than have it brick my phone as past Samsung updates have done.
But the issue at hand is this, the note was released not long after ICS and was sold as "Update-able to ICS in first quarter 2012" and it STILL isn't. And we are just about into Q3 with no end in sight. It's the same issue that Infuse (which I bought first) users had getting Gingerbread!! So now, ATT/Samsung has the Skyrocket & Note that were to be updated Q1 and are waiting. And there seems to be no rush because both are pushing new phones with ICS and when you ask you get "Just upgrade your phone". Neither are pushing to get the update out there, because both want you to purchase new hardware out of contract so they make more money. It's a pathetic way to do business to be honest. At least with Verizon I had updates on my Droid's (Droid, Droid 2, Droid X, Droid X2) in a timely manner. So it looks more like carrier & manufacturer in bed to MAKE the users that won't root & update pay for the update to keep the coffers happy.
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But the issue at hand is this, the note was released not long after ICS and was sold as "Update-able to ICS in first quarter 2012" and it STILL isn't. And we are just about into Q3 with no end in sight. It's the same issue that Infuse (which I bought first) users had getting Gingerbread!! So now, ATT/Samsung has the Skyrocket & Note that were to be updated Q1 and are waiting. And there seems to be no rush because both are pushing new phones with ICS and when you ask you get "Just upgrade your phone". Neither are pushing to get the update out there, because both want you to purchase new hardware out of contract so they make more money. It's a pathetic way to do business to be honest. At least with Verizon I had updates on my Droid's (Droid, Droid 2, Droid X, Droid X2) in a timely manner. So it looks more like carrier & manufacturer in bed to MAKE the users that won't root & update pay for the update to keep the coffers happy.
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I would like to see proof on this "Update-able to ICS in first quarter 2012" for the AT&T Galaxy Note. The only actual direct response I saw was a yotube video from the Samsung USA marketing director, and they do not give a date:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoW7sh-FBk&t=2m40s
Droid x, Droid 2, and Droid X2 are Motorola phones. Not Samsung. Samsung and HTC also have a larger diversity of phones to update. Not sure what timely means? Like I said many other models, carriers, and manufacturers all over the world still have not released ICS on many phones. But I guess the whole world revolves around ATT. Then I remember the Galaxy S series. All US carriers had their versions. And Samsung had 1 helluva time getting Gingerbread updates out on these phones. And that just wasn't ATT? Had to send back an Epic and a Captivate that bricked from an official release.
To Samsung, ATT, or whoever is working on this update, take your time and get it right. Do this for those that root, develop custom ROMs , or use an unrooted phone.
I know it's been asked for a while. I've mostly heard never. Some tell me it is coming soon. Any thoughts on it?
No, no,no,no,no,no,no,no,nono,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no I could go on or people can stop asking questions that have been asked about a million times
(Don't ask me for help, as I don't care if your phone or tablet explodes, eh )
flashallthetime said:
No, no,no,no,no,no,no,no,nono,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no I could go on or people can stop asking questions that have been asked about a million times
(Don't ask me for help, as I don't care if your phone or tablet explodes, eh )
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LOOOL I KNOW. but everytime i hear something new . and in your opinion, is flashing AOSP without 3D better, or Sense with 3D better?
I rooted my evo almost right out of the box, I saw no reason to have 3d, felt it was far better to go with an updated ROM than have HTC evil standard over bloated ROMs, love jb akop, cm10 or parandroid ROMs, hate sense, never going back to that crap again, kiss my azz HTC
(Don't ask me for help, as I don't care if your phone or tablet explodes, eh )
Flash its ok. Just sit down and have a beer before you have another stroke lol
3d in my opinion is just a gimmick I'm sure most of us belong in. 3d won't enhance the user experience either sense or aosp. Its a matter of preference to the end user and sense I'm on my vicoden I will calmly say this: unless HTC releases the source code for stock android evo 3d (which would require a petition from at least 2000 people) I'm sure that none of the developers will waste their time trying to build the code up from scratch. I love aosp don't mind at all losing 3d just to taste the new jelly bean 4.2 goodness. If you want 3d then you have a choice. Stick with sense 3.6 or try out jellybean.
Yeah, but I think that if I bought a phone that can manage the 3D, it would be awersome if newer versions of android (and sense lol) could manage this function..and if you don't need/like it, you can choose not to use it.
In my opinion htc has been really unfair to not relasing the sources for the camera, because they allow you to unlock the bootloader to install custm roms but almost no custom rom will fully work because of this...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu D:
imo only agrabren has got the right knowledge to write the sources of the camera...he said it was working on it for jelly bean, but probably it won't happen in the immediate future because he is always busy with his work..and even if he could success in it, we don't know if only his rom will have this feautre or it would be possible to extend it to other (with or without sense) roms.
In addition, consider that htc has encrypted all the new jellybean RUU with sense 4+ available for the lastest one series, so this makes things more difficult.
All we can do is to cross our fingers..:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed: and hope for the best.
By now the only thing that you can try is this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679394 it's not AOSP but it's desensed, starting from the stock evo rom so you have all working (3D, hdmi out, wifi tether ecc ecc)
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Yeah, but I think that if I bought a phone that can manage the 3D, it would be awersome if newer versions of android (and sense lol) could manage this function..and if you don't need/like it, you can choose not to use it.
In my opinion htc has been really unfair to not relasing the sources for the camera, because they allow you to unlock the bootloader to install custm roms but almost no custom rom will fully work because of this...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu D:
imo only agrabren has got the right knowledge to write the sources of the camera...he said it was working on it for jelly bean, but probably it won't happen in the immediate future because he is always busy with his work..and even if he could success in it, we don't know if only his rom will have this feautre or it would be possible to extend it to other (with or without sense) roms.
In addition, consider that htc has encrypted all the new jellybean RUU with sense 4+ available for the lastest one series, so this makes things more difficult.
All we can do is to cross our fingers..:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed: and hope for the best.
By now the only thing that you can try is this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679394 it's not AOSP but it's desensed, starting from the stock evo rom so you have all working (3D, hdmi out, wifi tether ecc ecc)
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True true. The only thing that's an annoyance to me is the native WiFi tether has that bug where it kills the 3g when turned on. (Not sure if that got fixed. Havant been on a sense ROM in months) so the only thing is to download WiFi tether and use that instead.
Got a point about HTC though, they are sone evil little bastards. Throwing all kinds of obstacles our way just to prevent us from having freedom of customization for our phones. Their just mad because root kinda prevents people from wanting to buy their newer phones and can have the new software on our now dead evos. I could go on and on about this but I won't. Our community always manages to bypass their security encryptions. Maybe we will this time. Maybe we won't. I won't waste my money on slight hardware upgrades until the quad core phones become a common thing.
Jsparta26 said:
True true. The only thing that's an annoyance to me is the native WiFi tether has that bug where it kills the 3g when turned on. (Not sure if that got fixed. Havant been on a sense ROM in months) so the only thing is to download WiFi tether and use that instead.
Got a point about HTC though, they are sone evil little bastards. Throwing all kinds of obstacles our way just to prevent us from having freedom of customization for our phones. Their just mad because root kinda prevents people from wanting to buy their newer phones and can have the new software on our now dead evos. I could go on and on about this but I won't. Our community always manages to bypass their security encryptions. Maybe we will this time. Maybe we won't. I won't waste my money on slight hardware upgrades until the quad core phones become a common thing.
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I thought you aren't using your evo anymore
(Don't ask me for help, as I don't care if your phone or tablet explodes, eh )
TechnoHacker said:
I know it's been asked for a while. I've mostly heard never. Some tell me it is coming soon. Any thoughts on it?
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flashallthetime said:
I thought you aren't using your evo anymore
(Don't ask me for help, as I don't care if your phone or tablet explodes, eh )
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I still do. I keep up with updates on my favorite ROMs,kernels, and mods. While I'm over at the droid RAZR forums which honestly, is like the aftermath a party where everyone is passed out. I already said this is the best community out there. This wouldn't be what it is without the awesome devs and the gang of trolls to shake things up a bit.:cyclops:::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::
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I still do. I keep up with updates on my favorite ROMs,kernels, and mods. While I'm over at the droid RAZR forums which honestly, is like the aftermath a party where everyone is passed out. I already said this is the best community out there. This wouldn't be what it is without the awesome devs and the gang of trolls to shake things up a bit.:cyclops:::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::
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I mistakenly thought you bought an iPhone, bah,bah,bah,bah,bah,bah does it give you a close shave your razr
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Sure does. It helps to trim the woods on my back
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Sure does. It helps to trim the woods on my back
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Too bad it doesn't do it in 3D.
btw, you made my night/morning.
Thank god 3d isn't a option or else it would like the jungle appearance from of the backyard on honey I shrunk the kids.