Hello, i'm looking for a RAZR to replace my 4-months old Atrix 4G, i'm a Telcel GSM user, sooo... i don't need a CDMA RAZR...
I went to ebay, looking for prices, models and stuff like that, i saw that the XT912 models are cheaper than XT910 models.
After looking for both specs from PhoneArena, i came to the conclusion that XT912 is CDMA and XT910 is GSM/CDMA, am I right?
Since I don't trust some auctions in ebay, because some people lists the wrong model, etc. I'm justs asks if they RAZRs have SIM trays for GSM use, this is a answer i received:
Yes the sim tray is in there just not the sim card. It is the XT912
Soo... my question is, the XT912 model is GSM-capable???? because like everyone else, i don't like bad surprises...
What should I do? Try looking for the XT910 model?? Most auctions are for Canadian RAZRs XT910... i'm curious because i don't plan to spent +$300 for a phone that don't support GSM... Thank you and sorry for my english
Yes, 912 is CDMA, 910 is GSM. Don't get the XT912, it'll be an expensive paperweight.
Long story short, they may well have exactly the same hardware, but A. We have no concrete proof either way, and B. Getting a device in the hopes that sorta kinda maybe there's a possibility it might be of use to you in the future is an expensive gamble, especially when the bootloader is locked.
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soo... what could be the best reliable way to identify the GSM version? To say: "Hey, would you check XXXX thing to verify is GSM-capable?"
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soo... what could be the best reliable way to identify the GSM version? To say: "Hey, would you check XXXX thing to verify is GSM-capable?"
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Look for the Verizon logos. They're hard to miss.
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Hey all,
a quick question, after reading through the forum there seems to be 2 Razrs out (excluding the customs one released in China MT917 and XT928)
One is the CDMA/LTE version and the other GSM/HSDPA version.
I read this article and it says the RAZR is a world phone, containing a combined radio capable of CMDA and GSM...
So is there any roms out there thats able get the razr to work with both? or am I just reading the article wrong?
Am I dealing with a $650 paper weight?
I Live in the Phlippines. When I first started researching the specs on this phone it list CDMA/LTE and GSM with 4 bands... I assumed it would work over here. I purchased the XT912 model directly from Motorola with no plan and had it shipped directly to the Philippines. (My Bad)
Once in my hands I naturally popped in my micro-sim and turned it on. The only thing I got was that it didn't recognize the sim and my options were "Power Off" or "Emergency Dial". Not a happy camper to say the least... I now have a $650 brick!
I have since been able to get into the main menu of the phone but of course it still doesn't recognize my GSM sim. Most likely because of the fact that it has a CDMA/LTE baseband loaded which I assume has no GSM support. Hence the reason it does not recognize the sim or receive any GSM/HSDPA signal.
My question is this: How do I flash/load a new GSM/HSDPA baseband that will enable the radio and make this phone useful to me?
I'm a total noob when it comes to Android so please be patient with my ignorance... Especially if this is simply never going to work out. Should I keep the phone on the hopes that a developer will crack this nut or sell it on E-Bay and walk away... Thanks!
My apologies for adding insult to injury but it looks like you didn't research enough...
Yes, the XT912 has the hardware for GSM but it was disabled by Verizon since it only needed the LTE hardware. This was noted in the FCC docs that were leaked.
The GSM hardware can be activated in theory but there's a lot more to it than a simple flash.
So unfortunately, you have a paperweight in your hands...
pacafrat said:
I Live in the Phlippines. When I first started researching the specs on this phone it list CDMA/LTE and GSM with 4 bands... I assumed it would work over here. I purchased the XT912 model directly from Motorola with no plan and had it shipped directly to the Philippines. (My Bad)
Once in my hands I naturally popped in my micro-sim and turned it on. The only thing I got was that it didn't recognize the sim and my options were "Power Off" or "Emergency Dial". Not a happy camper to say the least... I now have a $650 brick!
I have since been able to get into the main menu of the phone but of course it still doesn't recognize my GSM sim. Most likely because of the fact that it has a CDMA/LTE baseband loaded which I assume has no GSM support. Hence the reason it does not recognize the sim or receive any GSM/HSDPA signal.
My question is this: How do I flash/load a new GSM/HSDPA baseband that will enable the radio and make this phone useful to me?
I'm a total noob when it comes to Android so please be patient with my ignorance... Especially if this is simply never going to work out. Should I keep the phone on the hopes that a developer will crack this nut or sell it on E-Bay and walk away... Thanks!
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I frequently travel to Europe, and it is frustrating to learn that Verizon has crippled the phone. It is bad enough that they don't allow me to pay for a plan while I am in Europe (and those plans are generally rip-offs) but to make me have to bring an entirely different phone when the Razr is capable is borderline absurd IMO.
I realize they want to keep it carrier specific... but I used to be a Sprint customer, and had a "world phone" which was unlocked for world GSM but locked for US GSM. This was fair and worked great for when I traveled.
Son of a! Do you mean to tell me that this phone could have been a world phone, but Verizon chose to disable this feature? That's retarded. I knew that it was CDMA/LTE-only when I bought it, but this phone would be nearly perfect if all the radios were enabled.
I read the Droid 4 will be the first LTE phone with GSM capabilities on Verizon, but could the GSM portion be disabled like it is on the Razr?
Ok thanks for the feedback everyone, so it seems the Razr has the hardware to be a world phone, but its just the software that isnt capable.
So if it has an unlocked bootloader, it might be possible to flash radios that support all basebands...correct?
pacafrat, sell me your razr I am in China
Okay I've looked for a long while and I am really confused as to which model of Razr I have. I am on Rogers, in Canada.
From what I have gathered, the Rogers version (XT910) does NOT support LTE.
But what is really baffling me is the fact that right on the back of the phone, it says 4GLTE and there is a Verizon logo beside it. And the model number displayed there is XT912. However, when I go to check the About Phone. It says the model number is XT910. I'm worried about different things (fastboot files, rooting etc) as to which to use for this phone.
I also read about possible Pre-release models of phones with build dates from Oct. 26th or before (mine is oct 25.) So I am starting to think this may be a pre-release model.
Anyway, the overall question is, which model is my Razr? XT912, as stated on the back of the phone? Or XT910, as stated in About Phone? Is there anyway to ACTUALLY confirm?
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Picture 1: As you can see, the model number says XT912. Also the whole 4GLTE + Verizon logo, as mentioned before.
Picture 2: And here, the model number says XT910. Also a bunch of other stuff you may or may not need to know.
Picture 3: I am on Rogers, meaning this phone SHOULD be the XT910...but I am still not so sure.
If you're using it on Rogers, it must be an XT910. How it ended up with the XT912 backplate is another question entirely. Pics?
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If you're using it on Rogers, it must be an XT910. How it ended up with the XT912 backplate is another question entirely. Pics?
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Also would you mind going into Moto Recovery by turning off the phone.
Turning it back on by holding both volume keys + power key. Choosing AP Fastboot and tell us the Status Code it says. Sounds like a unique phone
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Also would you mind going into Moto Recovery by turning off the phone.
Turning it back on by holding both volume keys + power key. Choosing AP Fastboot and tell us the Status Code it says. Sounds like a unique phone
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Oh, Okay. I'll be sure to upload a picture within the next hour or so.
Status Code: 0
Compare the model # of what you have and what I have. I have a U.S. xt 912
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Compare the model # of what you have and what I have. I have a U.S. xt 912
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Mine displays XT910.
You know what? I'm almost certain I have an XT910.
But...I'd like to hear some possible reasons as to why it says "XT912" at the back xD
I'd like to believe that i actually have an XT912 hardware model (with 4GLTE) with just the phone displaying XT910 by mistake. But I doubt that's actually the case.
I vote that someone was asleep on the assembly line.
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You should be proud...you have a very special phone...if I were you, I would make optimum use of the device...and also, I think its a XT912...the software can be anything....could even be Windows Mobile 6.1...doesn't mean its a Microsoft device...
Enjoy buddy...and congratulations...u have a 4G device!!
I doubt it's (entirely) an XT912, since it'd surely have the Verizon logo stamped on the front, too, and the OP would surely have mentioned that.
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You certainly have a XT910 with XT912 backplate. That is one unique device, i'd love to have that Verizon 4G backplate on my XT910,too.
Well, I certainly feel special now, knowing that I have such a unique device XD
If it REALLY is a 4G model, would I not be able to select 4G from the mobile networks settings? All I have available to me is 2G, 3G, and Automatic. Or is it simply the software displaying only those options? Is 4G actually there, but unusable? XD Or am I just getting my hopes too high?
Thanks for all your inputs so far!
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Well, I certainly feel special now, knowing that I have such a unique device XD
If it REALLY is a 4G model, would I not be able to select 4G from the mobile networks settings? All I have available to me is 2G, 3G, and Automatic. Or is it simply the software displaying only those options? Is 4G actually there, but unusable? XD Or am I just getting my hopes too high?
Thanks for all your inputs so far!
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It's an interesting scenario, to be sure, because there's speculation that the XT910 (GSM/UMTS) & XT912 (CDMA/LTE) are actually the exact same phone. Story goes that the 912 contains GSM & UMTS bands in its multipurpose radio chip as well, and they're just disabled at kernel/software level (though it's possibly disabled at hardware level too).
It's conceivable that the reverse could also be the case, and the 910 could contain Moto's separate Wrigley LTE chip as well as the all-in-one GSM/UMTS/CDMA, although it would presumably save money to leave it out as it's a separate, specialty component.
Whether any of this is true is up in the air, but one thing's for certain - the 910 contains a LOT of software references to both Verizon and CDMA, so it would not surprise me terribly much.
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Wow. Lots of stuff to keep me thinking/wondering xD
Assuming that the LTE chip is actually in there, and it is disabled at hardware level (but it probably isn't, because as you said, it would probably be cheaper for them to just leave it out), would it be possible to enable it?
I mean...I wouldn't go through the trouble of opening this thing and actually try, but for reference, and just plain curiosity, would it be possible? XD
I'll see what I can dig up re: the inclusion of the LTE processor. The Wrigley chip itself is pretty obvious if you know what to look for in a tear-down - outlined in blue here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5198/motorola-droid-razr-review-a-better-clad-bionic/6
A quick look brings up this post from Chipworks: http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic.../11/teardown-of-the-motorola-razr-smartphone/
Now, this 'seems' to be an XT910, but doesn't really specify either way, which is mighty strange for a site that's so particular about identifying each & every component. The XT910 stock image is used, and it's referred to as a Motorola RAZR rather than Droid RAZR - definitely includes the Wrigley module there. Curious.
As to whether it could actually be used... who knows. Anything's possible, but it might need hardware modification, which is further complicated by the sealed casing.
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I'll see what I can dig up re: the inclusion of the LTE processor. The Wrigley chip itself is pretty obvious if you know what to look for in a tear-down - outlined in blue here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5198/motorola-droid-razr-review-a-better-clad-bionic/6
A quick look brings up this post from Chipworks: http://www.chipworks.com/en/technic.../11/teardown-of-the-motorola-razr-smartphone/
Now, this 'seems' to be an XT910, but doesn't really specify either way, which is mighty strange for a site that's so particular about identifying each & every component. The XT910 stock image is used, and it's referred to as a Motorola RAZR rather than Droid RAZR - definitely includes the Wrigley module there. Curious.
As to whether it could actually be used... who knows. Anything's possible, but it might need hardware modification, which is further complicated by the sealed casing.
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Whoa! The breakdown of the device's internal structure is mind blowing...thank you buddy...and I think the LTE is just disabled through the software....i recollect a faint murmur of the fact that the devoces will be the same, just that thrle radios will be enabled/disabled according to the country...so what you can do, try an actual XT912 ROM...
Remember, I am just advising you to.make sure you have a XT912. No way in hell.will I be responsible for any screwup....
i want to buy a verizon droid razr in u.s that have english and espanol language support only for my cousin but i need it to be with italian language support ,so i was i asking my self can i flash the verizon razr with an unbranded Eu rom that have ita language support and if yes will it be in 100% working order after the flash or i might experience some problematics ie gsm reception, slower gps fixes or else
thanks
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Doing that will brick the phone.
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Doing that will brick the phone.
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Yep, it will.
The EU rom is for the EU phone. The Verizon phone is different in several ways, and it is not compatible. Besides that, the Verizon RAZR isn't even GSM compatible at this point. It's CDMA/LTE only right now, so you couldn't get it working natively on any network in Europe anyway.
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Yep, it will.
The EU rom is for the EU phone. The Verizon phone is different in several ways, and it is not compatible. Besides that, the Verizon RAZR isn't even GSM compatible at this point. It's CDMA/LTE only right now, so you couldn't get it working natively on any network in Europe anyway.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_xt912-4101.php
what are you talking about,in the link above they say its gsm
are you guys sure you are giving me correct information about what i am asking?
if i should brick my phone with this process can i recover and go back with the original firmware unbrcking it?
That link is wrong. If you buy an XT912 Droid RAZR, you will have a very expensive paperweight. You need an XT910. There is no GSM support on the XT912. It has the hardware for both CDMA & GSM, but the GSM portion is disabled just like on the Droid Bionic. And no, due to Motorola kernel signatures and partition sizes, the stock ROMs are not cross-compatible.
Feel free not to believe us, it's your money.
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That link is wrong. If you buy an XT912 Droid RAZR, you will have a very expensive paperweight. You need an XT910. There is no GSM support on the XT912. It has the hardware for both CDMA & GSM, but the GSM portion is disabled just like on the Droid Bionic. And no, due to Motorola kernel signatures and partition sizes, the stock ROMs are not cross-compatible.
Feel free not to believe us, it's your money.
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what about motorola pro the verizon one and photon are they also without gsm?
You will not brick it simple you cant flash it with rds due signature mistmatch unless you have a unlocket bootloader.
droid pro was hacked by TBH i think. gsm radio was hacked and then it was working with tmobile/att.
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/11/17/verizon-blocking-att-gsm-bands-on-droid-2-global/
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what about motorola pro the verizon one and photon are they also without gsm?
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Photon works just fine, it was designed to be a dual mode CDMA/GSM device from the start. No 900mhz UMTS with the Photon, though (And USSD codes don't work).
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You will not brick it simple you cant flash it with rds due signature mistmatch unless you have a unlocket bootloader.
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you are talking about xt912?so it actually have a sim slot,if yes,unlolcked bootloader is a different thing than entering a code for unlocking the phone i suppose . . .
i still havent got the xt912 ,but i found this guide,will it work for the xt912 too in your opinion?
http://droidsky.blogspot.it/2012/03/tutorial-unlock-bootloader-of-xperia-x8.html
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you are talking about xt912?so it actually have a sim slot,if yes,unlolcked bootloader is a different thing than entering a code for unlocking the phone i suppose . . .
i still havent got the xt912 ,but i found this guide,will it work for the xt912 too in your opinion?
http://droidsky.blogspot.it/2012/03/tutorial-unlock-bootloader-of-xperia-x8.html
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The SIM slot in the XT912 is for LTE, not GSM.. And 100% no to the "Will the X8 bootloader unlock work" question. Sony Ericsson are a completely different kettle of fish to Motorola. We've just spent months waiting while Kholk and the Eternity Project devs worked on a bypass, the bootloaders currently cannot be unlocked and likely never will be unless Motorola feel charitable.
I hate to say it, but you seriously need to do a lot more research before you waste your money on a CDMA phone that is no use to anyone outside the USA.
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ok then i wont buy the xt910 because its too expensive,neither the xt912 because it wont work
i am going to consider the htc vivid ,lg nitro or atrix 2
is there a way to recocnize any gsm/almost gsm american phone that will not work in europe without asking each time in forums?maybe there is some kind of updated list somewhere . . .i always bought gsm phones from ebay u.s and they always worked ,guess i had been lucky till now
good news guys. Verizon is gonna unlock the gSM bands on droid razr. xt912.
can't wait!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/verizon-purportedly-giving-droid-4-razr-and-rezound-global-de/
Well, just as the tittle says.....is it possible???
I currently own a razr maxx (Verizon XT912) and want to swap the board with the board of an XT910 (GSM)...........is it possible??
Are they the same, or are any mods necesary....??
Thanks.
Cks69 said:
Well, just as the tittle says.....is it possible???
I currently own a razr maxx (Verizon XT912) and want to swap the board with the board of an XT910 (GSM)...........is it possible??
Are they the same, or are any mods necesary....??
Thanks.
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I'm not sure why you would want to. The XT912 has GSM functionality. I use mine in Germany on Telekom with no issues what so ever. The XT912 is sim unlocked for any GSM carrier outside the US. Plus, from what I've read the supported bands on the XT910 don't play nice with US GSM carriers; I believe you are limited to Edge data speed. (Don't quote me).
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I'm not sure why you would want to. The XT912 has GSM functionality. I use mine in Germany on Telekom with no issues what so ever. The XT912 is sim unlocked for any GSM carrier outside the US. Plus, from what I've read the supported bands on the XT910 don't play nice with US GSM carriers; I believe you are limited to Edge data speed. (Don't quote me).
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Yes, I know GSM is unlocked outside of the US, but I travel in and out of the US frequently, (several times a week sometimes) and well, as soon as I get in to the US I am SOL...plus, I really dont want to roam with data, as Int's data roaming is an arm and a leg (literally).....
Also, the price of the XT is crazy expensive, where if I could buy an XT910 with lest say a broken lcd and in bad shape, I could just swap boards.
Its not hard. I have actually taken and repaired several XT912's, BUT, NEVER have a had my hands on an XT910....
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Yes, I know GSM is unlocked outside of the US, but I travel in and out of the US frequently, (several times a week sometimes) and well, as soon as I get in to the US I am SOL...plus, I really dont want to roam with data, as Int's data roaming is an arm and a leg (literally).....
Also, the price of the XT is crazy expensive, where if I could buy an XT910 with lest say a broken lcd and in bad shape, I could just swap boards.
Its not hard. I have actually taken and repaired several XT912's, BUT, NEVER have a had my hands on an XT910....
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I'm guessing you are trying to use the phone with either ATT or T-mobile in the US as well as maintaining foreign carrier. If you have taken apart and repaired Razrs before then I would say go ahead and try it out. http://www.etradesupply.com/motorola/android-models/motorola-droid-razr-xt910.html?p=2 There is a good site for a lot of Razr parts.
So what happened? Did it fit? I would love to know if a xt 912 sceen would fit into a xt910. @jessel did you ever buy from etrade? how was it?
yes! it works fine. i am using verizon razr with xt910 mainboard.
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i want to get a razr maxx from ebay.. and usually the ones with bad ESN have a lower price.. I'm in Chile so my question is if i can still use this phone in GSM network in my country, even if it has bad ESN.
as i understand with the ICS upgrade all the XT912 were unlocked to work as GSM phones outside the US.
i dont really understand the ESN thing.. i know it is something related to Verizon.
the other question i have, what if the phone is not "activated" in verizon, now assuming it has a clean ESN, but it is not activated in any company in the US.. if i put my sim card will still work as a GSM phone? and in case the phone needs to be activated in verizon, if it has a clean ESN can i activate it from my country sending an email to verizon or something like that?
As far as I know you should be able to use it.
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i want to get a razr maxx from ebay.. and usually the ones with bad ESN have a lower price.. I'm in Chile so my question is if i can still use this phone in GSM network in my country, even if it has bad ESN.
as i understand with the ICS upgrade all the XT912 were unlocked to work as GSM phones outside the US.
i dont really understand the ESN thing.. i know it is something related to Verizon.
the other question i have, what if the phone is not "activated" in verizon, now assuming it has a clean ESN, but it is not activated in any company in the US.. if i put my sim card will still work as a GSM phone? and in case the phone needs to be activated in verizon, if it has a clean ESN can i activate it from my country sending an email to verizon or something like that?
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