There are so many previous thread that I could possibly post this in but they are all too busy and maybe my post would just get lost and this could be likely with this one too. I really want the Prime, but am really sent back after all the issues I see. The WiFi, bt, gps, screens cracking, light bleed, random restarts and I don't know how much else there is. My budget probably wont allow me an Infinity and I if I don't get the Prime I will be forced into the 300 series which has less battery and is slower. I don't really care about the plastic back or lack of Super IPS+ screen. So the real question is, are the new batches getting better? If I took the risk, would it be relatively risk free if it was really bugged and I could return it or would it be costing me?
Thanks, Andrew
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Issues not as major as it seems on the surface. Especially with wifi and screen cracking. I had my prime since 12/22 with no case or anything and never scratched or cracked screen. The few cases I've seen more likely due to user error.
Just check the link out in my signature, Positive transformer thread. That'll give you a new perspective on Prime. Well worth the purchase. I have one of the very first units and mines work great. Plenty of people like you who saw the various issue threads and got scared. Then they went for it and saw it was no where near as bad as some particular users make it seem.
Make your own choice from research. Look at the good and the bad. The Good easily outweighs the possibilities of the bad. Good luck!
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There are so many previous thread that I could possibly post this in but they are all too busy and maybe my post would just get lost and this could be likely with this one too. I really want the Prime, but am really sent back after all the issues I see. The WiFi, bt, gps, screens cracking, light bleed, random restarts and I don't know how much else there is. My budget probably wont allow me an Infinity and I if I don't get the Prime I will be forced into the 300 series which has less battery and is slower. I don't really care about the plastic back or lack of Super IPS+ screen. So the real question is, are the new batches getting better? If I took the risk, would it be relatively risk free if it was really bugged and I could return it or would it be costing me?
Thanks, Andrew
Sent from my laptop using a keyboard (I have no fancy devices, that's why I want a Prime)
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I find it amazing at how many of these threads like this there have been lately. People wanting to know if the latest batches are better than the old one and if it is now 'safe' to buy a Prime. Problem I have with this is there was never anything 'wrong' with the old batches. Something is only a problem if YOU perceive it as being a problem. For example, some people are completely fine with a small amount of light bleed as this is a very common problem for LCD screens, while others think light bleed is completely unacceptable and wish ASUS would just burn and rot in hell for having such a terrible QA department for not catching the light bleed issue.
Fact of the matter is, you can buy the Prime completely risk free from several retailers and if you are unhappy, then return it and get %100 of your money back. There is no risk involved. Best Buy for example has a 14 day return policy. If you use the Prime for two weeks and decide you can't live with some 'problem' (whether it be light bleed, dead pixel, WIFI doesn't meet your needs, or whatever) then return it.
My personal experience with my Prime:
1) It has a small amount of light bleed (doesn't bother me)
2) My GPS does not work %100 (I don't care b/c I don't need GPS in a tablet)
3) My WIFI works fine for my needs (does it fall off after a certain distance from the router? I don't know b/c I have never tried. I don't care because where I sit in my house and use it on a regular basis the WIFI is fine)
4) Does the WIFI throughput drop when bluetooth is on and streaming? I am sure it does but I have never tried. I don't use bluetooth headphones so this is something that would not and does not concern me.
5) I have experienced random reboots in the past but do not any more. One of the latest firmware updates fixed the issue
I understand why people come on these forums and get other people's opinions before making a big purchase, but don't let other people's perceived problems become your problems too. Buy the thing and make your own decision.
Edit: Best Buy now has a 30 day return policy on all electronics (so this is even better as you get a longer test drive period)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-To...es/pcmcat260800050014.c?id=pcmcat260800050014
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I find it amazing at how many of these threads like this there have been lately.
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I find it amazing that within minutes of anyone posting such a question, demandarin is in there before anyone else with his canned response. I was actually going to reply, but then just had to wait and see. Sure enough.....
not to thread jack but im in kind of the same boat im looking to get a tablet mostly for djing (touch osc etc) fanbridge and browsing (maybe some gaming if my daughter is visiting) i want something highpower durable fast and bright i shutter at the thought of an ipad... (bad enough i broke down and bought a macbook pro) i want to keep it below 1k$ was waiting for the infinity but now i'm hearing rumors its not getting released this year.. can anyone recommend either a tablet coming out in the next few months or something that wont be obsolete in a year (lol like my thunderbolt) thanks
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I find it amazing at how many of these threads like this there have been lately. People wanting to know if the latest batches are better than the old one and if it is now 'safe' to buy a Prime. Problem I have with this is there was never anything 'wrong' with the old batches. Something is only a problem if YOU perceive it as being a problem. For example, some people are completely fine with a small amount of light bleed as this is a very common problem for LCD screens, while others think light bleed is completely unacceptable and wish ASUS would just burn and rot in hell for having such a terrible QA department for not catching the light bleed issue.
Fact of the matter is, you can buy the Prime completely risk free from several retailers and if you are unhappy, then return it and get %100 of your money back. There is no risk involved. Best Buy for example has a 14 day return policy. If you use the Prime for two weeks and decide you can't live with some 'problem' (whether it be light bleed, dead pixel, WIFI doesn't meet your needs, or whatever) then return it.
My personal experience with my Prime:
1) It has a small amount of light bleed (doesn't bother me)
2) My GPS does not work %100 (I don't care b/c I don't need GPS in a tablet)
3) My WIFI works fine for my needs (does it fall off after a certain distance from the router? I don't know b/c I have never tried. I don't care because where I sit in my house and use it on a regular basis the WIFI is fine)
4) Does the WIFI throughput drop when bluetooth is on and streaming? I am sure it does but I have never tried. I don't use bluetooth headphones so this is something that would not and does not concern me.
5) I have experienced random reboots in the past but do not any more. One of the latest firmware updates fixed the issue
I understand why people come on these forums and get other people's opinions before making a big purchase, but don't let other people's perceived problems become your problems too. Buy the thing and make your own decision.
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This pretty much summarizes my feelings on this tablet. Mine has a few (minor) problems, which are pretty similar to those listed above. Overall I think that the pluses far outweigh these and I am delighted with it.
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I find it amazing at how many of these threads like this there have been lately. People wanting to know if the latest batches are better than the old one and if it is now 'safe' to buy a Prime. Problem I have with this is there was never anything 'wrong' with the old batches. Something is only a problem if YOU perceive it as being a problem. For example, some people are completely fine with a small amount of light bleed as this is a very common problem for LCD screens, while others think light bleed is completely unacceptable and wish ASUS would just burn and rot in hell for having such a terrible QA department for not catching the light bleed issue.
Fact of the matter is, you can buy the Prime completely risk free from several retailers and if you are unhappy, then return it and get %100 of your money back. There is no risk involved. Best Buy for example has a 14 day return policy. If you use the Prime for two weeks and decide you can't live with some 'problem' (whether it be light bleed, dead pixel, WIFI doesn't meet your needs, or whatever) then return it.
My personal experience with my Prime:
1) It has a small amount of light bleed (doesn't bother me)
2) My GPS does not work %100 (I don't care b/c I don't need GPS in a tablet)
3) My WIFI works fine for my needs (does it fall off after a certain distance from the router? I don't know b/c I have never tried. I don't care because where I sit in my house and use it on a regular basis the WIFI is fine)
4) Does the WIFI throughput drop when bluetooth is on and streaming? I am sure it does but I have never tried. I don't use bluetooth headphones so this is something that would not and does not concern me.
5) I have experienced random reboots in the past but do not any more. One of the latest firmware updates fixed the issue
I understand why people come on these forums and get other people's opinions before making a big purchase, but don't let other people's perceived problems become your problems too. Buy the thing and make your own decision.
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Exactly, the OP should be his own judge of how it performs for his needs.
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not to thread jack but im in kind of the same boat im looking to get a tablet mostly for djing (touch osc etc) fanbridge and browsing (maybe some gaming if my daughter is visiting) i want something highpower durable fast and bright i shutter at the thought of an ipad... (bad enough i broke down and bought a macbook pro) i want to keep it below 1k$ was waiting for the infinity but now i'm hearing rumors its not getting released this year.. can anyone recommend either a tablet coming out in the next few months or something that wont be obsolete in a year (lol like my thunderbolt) thanks
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Well buddy, ill tell you this. If you looking for a tablet that won't become obsolete or overtaken in specs after a year, YOU WILL NEVER FIND IT..lol. all tablet and tech devices have a life cycle that is getting shorter and shorter in life span cycle. Even the best selling Ipad is overtaken by its newer versions in a year or less. Just find something powerful, like the prime, that has good developer support and will make it go longer than usual life span. Meaning with developer support, its specs being tweaked and overclocked will easily make it hold its own against newer devices down the line. PRIME or maybe one of the Acer or Toshiba tablets coming out is your best bet. 300 doesn't fit your bill, because it has lower specs and is already overtaken by prime and other tablets to come. So If you want the high end most powerful Android device out now, Prime is your best bet. If you can wait, see how the new tegra3 Toshiba and Acer tablets perform. Toshiba might finally get some developer support here because its 3 new tablets coming out are all tegra3 powered. Developers seem to be very impressed with how Nvidia implemented tegra3 and there's alot of gains to be made with it on the developement side.
OP, I say get it, but ONLY from the shops with good returns policy. After getting it, test wifi, browser lag and hot spots and dead pixels. Whatever your test results, if it's okay with you then it's no brainer. If not, just return.
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I'm glad I bought my Prime when I did. Price matching w/ Best Buy... getting free Express shipping... the savings!
My Prime's display has so little screen bleeding that I honestly feel it's nonexistent. My display is as near perfection as I imagine any Prime could be.
However... WiFi + GPS + updates that have inconsistent impacts on battery life have been drawbacks that I'm happily living with.
Heheh sure I'll toss in my 2 bits. There are two categories of issues with the Prime: hardware and software.
HW: The major problem has been weak wireless (wifi/BT/GPS). Reportedly, the latest rev (serial starting with C3) has improved wifi. BT interoperability is still an unknown, but isn't a major use-case. Write off GPS, unless you like using a dongle. As another said, buy from a retailer with good return policy.
SW: The Prime is an enthusiast product, and this place is an enthusiast forum. Prime is currently undergoing beta-testing for ICS, although it's not said as such. Enthusiasts are fine with this; regular users, not so much. Since this is your (OP's) first post, you're likely among the latter. If so, wait until the ICS updates get more stable.
To sum: Buy Prime now if you're an enthusiast and can weather the beta-test process, else wait. The latter will also ensure you get the latest version. If/when you buy it, stress test wifi to make sure it works adequately for your setup, whether home or travel. Do it within your return period, and only deal with the retailer, never the manufacturer. If you need to send it back for RMA, then it's already a bad buy. The weeks you lose waiting for its return is lost opportunity cost, and lost money.
The Prime has its issues, but it's still the only high-end Android tablet for the foreseeable future. The risk/reward ratio is something only you can decide.
The best way to deal with your concerns is to test the Prime.
For that purpose I will suggest that you take advantage of the Best Buy return policy. Be it a store purchase or an online purchase from Best Buy web site you have a month (and not 2 weeks as somebody mentioned) to decide if it is for you or not. One month to return it if you are not satisfied.
A lot of Forum members have decided that the minor issues like bleed, wifi, gps, customer service lapses or non existant in some parts of Europe are not a deterrent.
Some consider that a dongle shows how Asus is a marvellous (indeed) and caring business.
Judge by yourself not through the eyes (or lack of) or the comments you read.
I like the Prime. The GPS issue but more importantly the very poor Customer Service, in my opinion, convinced me to get my money back.
I might wait for the Infinity or go for another manufacturer product.
In any case, good luck
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The best way to deal with your concerns is to test the Prime.
For that purpose I will suggest that you take advantage of the Best Buy return policy. Be it a store purchase or an online purchase from Best Buy web site you have a month (and not 2 weeks as somebody mentioned) to decide if it is for you or not. One month to return it if you are not satisfied.
A lot of Forum members have decided that the minor issues like bleed, wifi, gps, customer service lapses or non existant in some parts of Europe are not a deterrent.
Some consider that a dongle shows how Asus is a marvellous (indeed) and caring business.
Judge by yourself not through the eyes (or lack of) or the comments you read.
I like the Prime. The GPS issue but more importantly the very poor Customer Service, in my opinion, convinced me to get my money back.
I might wait for the Infinity or go for another manufacturer product.
In any case, good luck
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Good catch. Apparently Best Buy recently changed their return policy. It used to be 2 weeks for most electronics (including tablets).
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/02/27/best-buy-to-simplify-return-policy-30-days-all-products-inclu/
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-To...es/pcmcat260800050014.c?id=pcmcat260800050014
Thanks for all the replies! Unfortunately I live in Australia and plan to be purchasing from a place called Officeworks where I can get a 20% discount. I will make sure that they have a decent return policy when they get them in stock. There hasn't been any stock in there for a while and I hope they get some more in. For those experiencing very minimal light bleed, if possible would you be able to get a picture up or describe what its like?
Thanks,
mdemons12 said:
Thanks for all the replies! Unfortunately I live in Australia and plan to be purchasing from a place called Officeworks where I can get a 20% discount. I will make sure that they have a decent return policy when they get them in stock. There hasn't been any stock in there for a while and I hope they get some more in. For those experiencing very minimal light bleed, if possible would you be able to get a picture up or describe what its like?
Thanks,
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You are right, it is unfortunate that you live in Australia
The best places to live right now are Afghanistan, Iran, Irak, Pakistan, and Syria.
Unfortunately, if I may say so, the Prime is not yet available in those countries. There is a problem with the wifi: it is not islamist
Hahaha Well the most unfortunate thing living here is that our dollar is actually better than the Americans, yet to get a Prime and Dock it costs nearly $200 more than it would in the US. Annoys me ):
Just found out that Officeworks do have a pretty good return policy so it looks like its a go ahead from here! That's only if they get them in stock. I will believe from most of the talk around here that the prime won't reach EOL anytime soon and more stock should arrive.
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I am very interested with the Prime. I heard there are some problems with it. I long do you thing it will take asus to fix the GPS problem? I heard there are also some small bugs.
I'd say buy it ASAP. yes, first batch did have a minority of users who had some issues. Across the board, GPS is weak. the true reason has yet to been announced from Asus. hopefully a software issue update can fix that. other than GPS, which I don't use anyways, My Prime is a great built device. majority of people don't suffer all the issues being thrown around. take a look St the various polls in here. almost all of them, execrable GPS one shows the Prime being mostly defect free and people completely satisfied with it. My display, performance, and wifi all work great great. so if you want the best out right now and for at least the next few months, get the prime. its the best deal out right now. Sift through all the b.s. n threads and make a decesion. as for me, I've been enjoying my Prime nonstop since 12/22. Nest tablet ever by far in almost all categories.
Simply put, no way to tell. If it can be fixed (unless this is how Asus intended it to work, which is doubtful) it will be fixed via RMA or software update, but there is no eta at this time. Hell, they just started to admit that things aren't as they should be.
Thanks. I am still considering to buy it. I dont live in the USA, and I would send the device using my friend in the USA to my home in Israel, so I dont have warranty and I must know if those problems are software issue.
I have heard about Asus international warranty, do you know about that?
I would say buy it there's no other tablet that can come close to it match this one you will love it
I think pretty much every gadget made today by anyone--very much including Apple--has build issues during the first month or so of production. Margins are so tight and timing is so important (yes, ASUS really, really wanted to be first out the door with a Tegra 3 tablet) that things do happen. Early adopters help manufacturers work out the kinks--it's pretty much the price of admission in being an early adopter.
So, if you want the best chance of getting a perfect tablet, wait at least a month before buying it. Let all of the kinks get worked out first. That's true for the Prime, and it'll be true for whatever tablets come out over the next few months.
I have a Champagne unit that's perfect as far as I can tell EXCEPT it has a wonky haptic feedback mechanism (i.e., vibrator). The thing makes a pretty loud noise for very little actual vibration. However, I'm going to keep it, because 1) I like the Prime that much and don't want to go a few weeks without it and 2) I know the chances are that if I get another one right now I'll probably have some other issue.
So, I'm willing to make a compromise (turn off haptic feedback) to have an otherwise "perfect" Prime right now. My wife thinks I'm crazy--she'd just wait for the chances to improve of getting a unit without any issues, but then she'd go those weeks without actually enjoying the use of a device. Different strokes, really.
If I could go back in time, even with my defective screen, broken GPS, loose paneling, I would still have preordered the prime. I love it. If my replacement prime from Amazon doesn't fix the screen issues, I'll be singing a different tune.
My advice, buy it. BUT MAKE SURE you order from a retailer that is absolutely no-hassle about returns or exchanges. Same advice for any product, but especially expensive new models.
Depends. The GPS isn't working and probably isn't gonna work. WiFi has shorter range and doesn't seem to be too stable.
I'm having a hard time recommending buying this tablet considering the WIFI. It's pretty bad. I mean, it's fine if you're always going to be near a strong signal and are merely browsing the web, but I can confirm that it is SLOW (and others have said that the range is poor too). This is based on some tests I've performed (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20908801&postcount=19). I have 30 days to return mine to Newegg, and although I really love everything else about the tablet, I don't think I can justify keeping a tablet with such crappy wifi, as that's kind of important for a tablet.
>I dont live in the USA...so I dont have warranty
You've answered your own question.
>and I must know if those problems are software issue.
Suggest you browse through the discussions here and determine for yourself if the issues mentioned are hardware or software. If you can't determine this on your own, it's probably best not to buy an item that can't be returned.
Given your geographic obstacles to warranty service, it would seem prudent to wait a month or two and track the company's progress on correcting the most significant issues (e.g., GPS and WiFi). If you buy now, you really have no one but yourself to blame if you have trouble.
OK, guys, Thank you. I will wait a few weeks and I follow this forum to see if the issues are fixed. Its not smart to order a product that is not a 100% when you live across the ocean.
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OK, guys, Thank you. I will wait a few weeks and I follow this forum to see if the issues are fixed. Its not smart to order a product that is not a 100% when you live across the ocean.
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Acer and Lenovo are announcing Teg3 tablets in a couple of days. They both have very good international warranty support and have their own repair centers in Europe and the ME where Asus relies on third parties. I remember a friend in Tel Aviv saying it took three months to get an Asus notebook repaired. If that's important to you, check out all three websites and see who offers the least amount of hassle should you have a problem.
people love to rag on Asus. lol as far as 3 months to get back notebook goes, that's one of the few defaulty devices. hands down Asus is still known as having the most realiable PCs and computer components. they break down less than all others. tests n polls from Pc world n magazine confirmed that. Acer and Lenovo near the middle to top of having most issues. go to Acer section of forum n u will see all the manufacturing gripes amd issues with their devices. Lenovo hardly ever updates their firmware for Android.
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people love to rag on Asus. lol as far as 3 months to get back notebook goes, that's one of the few defaulty devices. hands down Asus is still known as having the most realiable PCs and computer components. they break down less than all others. tests n polls from Pc world n magazine confirmed that. Acer and Lenovo near the middle to top of having most issues. go to Acer section of forum n u will see all the manufacturing gripes amd issues with their devices. Lenovo hardly ever updates their firmware for Android.
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You can talk about your own expereinces all you want. Unless you've had an Asus product repaired in the ME, you're not speaking first hand. I shared an experience a friend had that could effect the OP. The fact that Asus has a much smaller international support base than larger companies shouldn't surprise you. The delay was due to a third party service center waiting for parts from Taiwan. In this particular instance, your defense of Asus is way over the line.
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Acer and Lenovo are announcing Teg3 tablets in a couple of days. They both have very good international warranty support and have their own repair centers in Europe and the ME where Asus relies on third parties. I remember a friend in Tel Aviv saying it took three months to get an Asus notebook repaired. If that's important to you, check out all three websites and see who offers the least amount of hassle should you have a problem.
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Thats sounds good.
The problem with Asus in Israel its not the warrenty, its the price. Actually the price is not only high on Asus products, its high about any electronic devices because the importing costs.
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people love to rag on Asus. lol as far as 3 months to get back notebook goes, that's one of the few defaulty devices. hands down Asus is still known as having the most realiable PCs and computer components. they break down less than all others. tests n polls from Pc world n magazine confirmed that. Acer and Lenovo near the middle to top of having most issues. go to Acer section of forum n u will see all the manufacturing gripes amd issues with their devices. Lenovo hardly ever updates their firmware for Android.
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Lmfao lenovo updating their firmware is a joke....
EDIT: I have some new information. Check the following thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439582
BELOW is the original Thread.
RETURN YOUR TF201!!!
I am. Granted I have not just the GPS issue, but BT/WiFi fail as well. But you guys know that ASUS released this device knowing full well that the GPS was not going to work and I can't imagine they didn't catch the BT issue prior to release too. The only way they missed the BT issue is if the BT issue is caused by whatever quick fix they used to solve the initial BT issues reported by a reviewer(s).
By acquiescing, you are telling ASUS and every other manufacturer that this behavior is okay. That when faced with a choice of scrapping a device in the manufacturing stage for a significant loss, or releasing it to the public and letting the cards fall where they may for less of a loss, that they should screw the consumer. Depending on the extent of the issues with the TF201, they would have had to replace the backs of all TF201s at the least, perhaps more. If everyone, or enough people return the device then you are sending a message that this is unacceptable. We Androids know that we aren't getting perfect Apple devices, but we don't accept such blatant insults. I am also going to be reporting this issue to the Better Business Bureau and I think you should as well. Their response to the GPS issue is nothing short of a case of bait and switch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch said:
Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product.
The goal of the bait-and-switch is to persuade buyers to purchase the substitute goods as a means of avoiding disappointment over not getting the bait, or as a way to recover sunk costs expended to try to obtain the bait. It suggests that the seller will not show the original product or service advertised but instead will demonstrate a more expensive product or a similar product with a higher margin.
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Without internal documents I can't truly prove that they intentionally sold a flawed TF201 with the intent to recover costs incurred before the problem was identified. But one of two things happened.
1. They caught the issue and upon determining it to be unfixable they released the device anyway to recoup whatever costs they could.
2. They are so stupid, which is possible because they released and ALL-ALUMINUM back in the first place, that their testing methods failed to catch the fact the GPS was so **** that even standing in the middle of a road with no obstructions it can take FOREVER to find your location. Until the fix to download GPS coordinates over WiFi, in a week of delivering pizzas the tablet never managed to figure out that Las Vegas wasn't Toronto.
I favor the first possibility because as bad as GPS is for me, I can't see it being possible that they didn't catch it.
For now I am back to my TF101 which works flawlessly for my uses.
EDIT: Now I've gotten my valid raging out of the way. I admit that were I only victim to the GPS issue, I would probably keep the tablet. But I still urge those of you keeping your tablets to file a report with the Better Business Bureau over ASUS' handling of the GPS issue. They advertised a feature and now they simply act as if it never happened and have offered nothing as recompense.
cool post bro..but sorry I can't care less about the GPS and I love prime so no way I'll return it
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cool post bro..but sorry I can't care less about the GPS and I love prime so no way I'll return it
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You sir, are part of the problem. I don't care about GPS either. It's the principal of the matter and the precedent it sets. Your 500+ dollars is 500 reasons for ASUS and the next company that has a choice to release a knowingly broken device because people like you will just accept the lubed up rod they have for you.
I am giving ASUS a chance to send me a replacement unit. If they send me one and it doesn't have the BT/WiFi issue my faith will be restored and I will not report them to the BBB and any tech blog/news site that will listen to the story and read/post the correspondence between ASUS and myself. I like my TF101. I want ASUS to make this right
What exactly does this have to do with the future of Android? I can see your point (sort of), but this is a technology issue and has nothing to do with Android. Companies, regardless of their operating system, have done this sort of thing for years. I'm not saying that it's right, but it has nothing to do with the future of Android or any other operating system. Yes, Asus probably should have held this product a little longer for more tests, but they did release the first quad-core device running ICS to the world. It has a few minor defects, but those are to be expected for the first run of products like this. I say, if you're so upset, do the only thing that you can do as a consumer...don't purchase the product. That tells the company that YOU are not happy with it. Posting in a forum like this saying that we need to return a device because you're not happy with it is kind of pointless. Just take it back and get something else.
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What exactly does this have to do with the future of Android? I can see your point (sort of), but this is a technology issue and has nothing to do with Android. Companies, regardless of their operating system, have done this sort of thing for years. I'm not saying that it's right, but it has nothing to do with the future of Android or any other operating system. Yes, Asus probably should have held this product a little longer for more tests, but they did release the first quad-core device running ICS to the world. It has a few minor defects, but those are to be expected for the first run of products like this. I say, if you're so upset, do the only thing that you can do as a consumer...don't purchase the product. That tells the company that YOU are not happy with it. Posting in a forum like this saying that we need to return a device because you're not happy with it is kind of pointless. Just take it back and get something else.
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Yea in my rage I forgot to get to my central point. I refer to what these kind of events do to the future of Android. Imagine where the iPhone would be if the iPhone 3G had an identical issue. Imagine all those happy iPhone 2G users selling their iPhone, and going home with a shiny new iPhone 3G only to find out that the GPS didn't work and that they couldn't browse the internet if they were playing music to a set of BT headphones or to some BT setup routed through their home/car stereo. Then if Apple decided to say that it's a phone, not a personal navigation device. Then they announced a new phone 2 weeks later and just released the iPhone 3Gs with the problems solved.. 3 or 4 months later.
Apple would likely have not survived such a fiasco since Apple is built on the premise of things just working and of having a superior end to end service. I blame ASUS for this problem. But the masses, the ones who go to Best Buy and buy a random tablet, would return this and from then on they would think Android was a bad platform. They would likely never learn that it was just the particular device that is bad. These kinds of things can't be allowed to happen if Android is to remain a viable alternative. The issues with this tablet are not your regular first run issues. First run issues are usually few and minor. GPS is all but useless, and for me and many others bluetooth is also useless. Is ASUS going to throw up their hands in another few weeks and say that this is not a dedicated MP3 player and take bluetooth off the spec sheet? If ASUS doesn't find me a tablet with working bluetooth I will be returning it. The point is that if the rest of you just accept the GPS problem, and the BT problem if you have it just because you don't use those features you are going to have the problem with the next device and the next one, or similar ones.
Last. STOP CALLING THIS A FRIGGIN EARLY ADOPTER OR FIRST GEN DEVICE. This is the TF201. The 2 differentiates it from the TF101. This device brings changes to the TF101. It is not an entirely new device.
My hands are itching to type "TL;DR", but unfortunately, I have in fact read all of the thread.
From where I'm sitting (Prime is in preorder, getting it this week), you're a frustrated user, venting your frustration the wrong way.
What did you expect when you created this topic? Did you think people would agree with you en-masse, and send their devices (which many people have been waiting a long time for) back straight away?
The reason I'm asking this question is that I think you didn't stop to think about it. If the product doesn't do what it's advertised to do, you're entitled to return it. If you feel you need to share your experience with the world, you can write a review. Be it to "protect" others, or simply express your outrage, a well written review gives everyone (you, others and the manufacturer) a chance to see your point more clearly.
Thus, I advise you to refrain from going on about this in here and write a comprehensive review, noting both the pro's and the cons. Then let other people decide what they do, instead of telling them what they should.
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Yea in my rage I forgot to get to my central point. I refer to what these kind of events do to the future of Android. Imagine where the iPhone would be if the iPhone 3G had an identical issue. Imagine all those happy iPhone 2G users selling their iPhone, and going home with a shiny new iPhone 3G only to find out that the GPS didn't work and that they couldn't browse the internet if they were playing music to a set of BT headphones or to some BT setup routed through their home/car stereo. Then if Apple decided to say that it's a phone, not a personal navigation device. Then they announced a new phone 2 weeks later and just released the iPhone 3Gs with the problems solved.. 3 or 4 months later.
Apple would likely have not survived such a fiasco since Apple is built on the premise of things just working and of having a superior end to end service. I blame ASUS for this problem. But the masses, the ones who go to Best Buy and buy a random tablet, would return this and from then on they would think Android was a bad platform. They would likely never learn that it was just the particular device that is bad. These kinds of things can't be allowed to happen if Android is to remain a viable alternative. The issues with this tablet are not your regular first run issues. First run issues are usually few and minor. GPS is all but useless, and for me and many others bluetooth is also useless. Is ASUS going to throw up their hands in another few weeks and say that this is not a dedicated MP3 player and take bluetooth off the spec sheet? If ASUS doesn't find me a tablet with working bluetooth I will be returning it. The point is that if the rest of you just accept the GPS problem, and the BT problem if you have it just because you don't use those features you are going to have the problem with the next device and the next one, or similar ones.
Last. STOP CALLING THIS A FRIGGIN EARLY ADOPTER OR FIRST GEN DEVICE. This is the TF201. The 2 differentiates it from the TF101. This device brings changes to the TF101. It is not an entirely new device.
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Instead of your iPhone 3G 'imagination', why not look at antennagate.... and as seen then, no one gave a damn (as seen by sales figures) even when it was a critical component, GSM being disrupted due to poor signal and even so Apple claimed that you were 'holding it wrong'. Asus has done no such thing, that imo already raises it far above Apple.
As for first-gen, I agree with the way Angelusz uses it because after all, this is the first Tegra 3 device, fullstop. There have to be kinks to be ironed out and all with a new SoC and there's no device before it using Tegra 3 so the usage is perfectly valid.
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Instead of your iPhone 3G 'imagination', why not look at antennagate.... and as seen then, no one gave a damn (as seen by sales figures) even when it was a critical component, GSM being disrupted due to poor signal and even so Apple claimed that you were 'holding it wrong'. Asus has done no such thing, that imo already raises it far above Apple.
As for first-gen, I agree with the way Angelusz uses it because after all, this is the first Tegra 3 device, fullstop. There have to be kinks to be ironed out and all with a new SoC and there's no device before it using Tegra 3 so the usage is perfectly valid.
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However, if they 3 days after that released a iPhone 4F(ix) then everyone would..
Unfortunantly many of us are unable to return our devices due to Retail return policies for tablets. I could get mine exchanged but that gets me nowhere.
They are getting mine back too.
I was willing to overlook GPS, but then Wifi turned sour and as a kick in the balls,
asus has announced a new tablet by advertising it as "an improved TF201".
Well Asus, funk that! You lost me!
That we're bringing up Apple devices is interesting, considering that the TF201 has better Wi-Fi performance than the original Wi-Fi iPad according to tests by a user here - Apple, too, made a device with an aluminium back (and the little window doesn't seem to have made much of a difference). How's that iPad's GPS reception? Oh, Apple doesn't put them in Wi-Fi iPads at all. Of course, the original iPad benefited from not having a previous, plastic device to compare it to, but there were still a lot of complaints:
As of late Monday, the thread titled "Weak wifi" led all others with more than 130 messages, and nearly 13,000 views.
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9174858/Wi_Fi_issues_dominate_iPad_user_complaints
So Apple made the same decision as Asus, didn't even give the option of GPS, got a lot of complaints, and... the iPad was a massive success. Apple devices, eh?
I do think that it was a bad idea for Asus to announce the TF700T now though. It's going to affect sales of the current device. It would have been better to wait until the end of Q1.
I think this young man makes a great point. Some of you have no use for GPS, I understand, but some of us that spends 500 would like to get our money worth. That means things should work as advertise. It is a bait and switch really. I'm not pissed that Asus came out with a new tablet, I'm pissed that my tablet is compromised and they're not doing anything about it. I can't take mine back because they don't refund. If you let these company do that, they'll continue to do that next time. Rush to release a product and hope that they can update it later, or if they can't, release a new model and let the customers suffer. Also, the hardware and the OS are almost synonymous, if you got a bad device, people will perceive the OS as bad as well. I know this is going to turn many people to getting an ipad even.
Now just as a devils advocate: is anyones gps COMPLETELY NON FUNCTIONING? I don't wanna hear weak, not good, sometimes, NON FUNCTIONING. If it is, you can get it replaced through RMA. Is it working at all? Then Asus didn't lie or make something up that wasn't true. I'm trying to think about this like a lawyer. Since the gps chip is functioning, it does get a signal and can handle most location acquisition tasks. I understand its not a Garmin but there was never a promise of this. GPS was a listed spec. It never made any claims as to its ability as a gps. This is where I see a problem with the Bait and Switch Argument.
Also, if everyones so damn smart here, then why didn't anyone think that the aluminum backing would have problems with signals? I think people are just a little mad maybe because they're so brilliant that overlooked something that everyone already knew would be a "problem"
In a week, my GPS has found exactly one satellite, promptly lost it and never did locate me. Left it in the car all day in a parking lot to see if it could sort itself out, all it did was drain the battery. Willing to look past it however, for the dock and battery life, and otherwise it was satisfactory (haven't tried BT/wifi yet, though, might be a deal killer)
Last night's ICS update gave me banding and market won't finish downloading anything, even post-wipe. Obviously fixable via software, but nonetheless the experience continues to fade. Plus, it's almost a doorstop while I have to sideload everything. Even my hacked-to-death Pandigital novel that I got at Kohls with some socks and 30% discount coupon is more stable than this.
There is no way that this product was conceived solely to make high schoolers pee themselves over frame rates on XDA. Businesses are going to begin equipping employees en masse with tablets of some sort, and thus far this was Android's best shot at heading off Apple, because it is a familiar form factor that Apple doesn't yet offer. I am in a role where I get to have some input on this issue for my Fortune 500 company, and I simply can't imagine showing this mess to the IT stakeholders like I had originally hoped. Keeping mine for now, but I see the OP's point of this being a strike against Android for enterprise, which is where the money has barely been tapped.
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Yea in my rage I forgot to get to my central point. I refer to what these kind of events do to the future of Android. Imagine where the iPhone would be if the iPhone 3G had an identical issue. Imagine all those happy iPhone 2G users selling their iPhone, and going home with a shiny new iPhone 3G only to find out that the GPS didn't work and that they couldn't browse the internet if they were playing music to a set of BT headphones or to some BT setup routed through their home/car stereo. Then if Apple decided to say that it's a phone, not a personal navigation device. Then they announced a new phone 2 weeks later and just released the iPhone 3Gs with the problems solved.. 3 or 4 months later.
Apple would likely have not survived such a fiasco since Apple is built on the premise of things just working and of having a superior end to end service. I blame ASUS for this problem. But the masses, the ones who go to Best Buy and buy a random tablet, would return this and from then on they would think Android was a bad platform. They would likely never learn that it was just the particular device that is bad. These kinds of things can't be allowed to happen if Android is to remain a viable alternative. The issues with this tablet are not your regular first run issues. First run issues are usually few and minor. GPS is all but useless, and for me and many others bluetooth is also useless. Is ASUS going to throw up their hands in another few weeks and say that this is not a dedicated MP3 player and take bluetooth off the spec sheet? If ASUS doesn't find me a tablet with working bluetooth I will be returning it. The point is that if the rest of you just accept the GPS problem, and the BT problem if you have it just because you don't use those features you are going to have the problem with the next device and the next one, or similar ones.
Last. STOP CALLING THIS A FRIGGIN EARLY ADOPTER OR FIRST GEN DEVICE. This is the TF201. The 2 differentiates it from the TF101. This device brings changes to the TF101. It is not an entirely new device.
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this did happen with the iphone 4 and the botched antenna. apple just gave out free bumpers and they're doing fine
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That we're bringing up Apple devices is interesting, considering that the TF201 has better Wi-Fi performance than the original Wi-Fi iPad according to tests by a user here - Apple, too, made a device with an aluminium back (and the little window doesn't seem to have made much of a difference). How's that iPad's GPS reception? Oh, Apple doesn't put them in Wi-Fi iPads at all. Of course, the original iPad benefited from not having a previous, plastic device to compare it to, but there were still a lot of complaints:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9174858/Wi_Fi_issues_dominate_iPad_user_complaints
So Apple made the same decision as Asus, didn't even give the option of GPS, got a lot of complaints, and... the iPad was a massive success. Apple devices, eh?
I do think that it was a bad idea for Asus to announce the TF700T now though. It's going to affect sales of the current device. It would have been better to wait until the end of Q1.
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Thx man finally someone who thinks. Was just about to suggest to the thread started to get an ipad. You wont get a better product but marketing makes you believe that everythings fine.
TF700T? I dont see why I should pay another 100-150$ to have some more pixels that i only see when i hold the device 1cm before my eye.
Also the plastic thing on top looks bad.
blah blah blah blah "I'm miserable, so you should be miserable too."
If you're unhappy about how ASUS has handled the situation, then go ahead and go to the BBB...call ASUS....Call the retailer you bought it from. Complaining about it on a forum isn't going to do anything but allow you to vent. After that, it just turns into crying and whining. Sitting here day after day after day complaining about the same thing isn't going to fix a damn thing. If you're that upset about it....do something worthwhile about it.
Believe it or not, some people are not having BT/WiFi issues. I'm not. I really like my Prime....and frankly, I don't want to send it in just to wait for something else that may or may not be coming out in a couple months and may or may not be any better. Maybe they're rushing the next one out as well and it'll have it's own slew of problems. So please, stop telling me if I should be happy with my Prime or not and what I should do with it just because you are having problems.
It's not going to destroy Android. It's not going to hurt Android. If anything, It'll hurt ASUS.
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Thx man finally someone who thinks. Was just about to suggest to the thread started to get an ipad. You wont get a better product but marketing makes you believe that everythings fine.
TF700T? I dont see why I should pay another 100-150$ to have some more pixels that i only see when i hold the device 1cm before my eye.
Also the plastic thing on top looks bad.
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Cant wait til the trolls are gone
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blah blah blah blah "I'm miserable, so you should be miserable too."
If you're unhappy about how ASUS has handled the situation, then go ahead and go to the BBB...call ASUS....Call the retailer you bought it from. Complaining about it on a forum isn't going to do anything but allow you to vent. After that, it just turns into crying and whining. Sitting here day after day after day complaining about the same thing isn't going to fix a damn thing. If you're that upset about it....do something worthwhile about it.
Believe it or not, some people are not having BT/WiFi issues. I'm not. I really like my Prime....and frankly, I don't want to send it in just to wait for something else that may or may not be coming out in a couple months and may or may not be any better. Maybe they're rushing the next one out as well and it'll have it's own slew of problems. So please, stop telling me if I should be happy with my Prime or not and what I should do with it just because you are having problems.
It's not going to destroy Android. It's not going to hurt Android. If anything, It'll hurt ASUS.
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'VALUE THE FUTURE OF ANDROID' is like saying returning your Prime will save the world lol. I'm with this guy, if you don't like it call the BBB, Asus, and your retailer and make them take it back but you're *****ing at the wrong people. Even though I've had to RMA mine for screen bleed, I'm still highly impressed with Prime
Okay so I dont have it pre-ordered or anything basically waiting for Best Buy to get it back in stock.
Been seeing alot of the posts here, and was wondering if it is really worth the wait. It seems like alot of negatives are going on here concerning the prime and I wonder if it is really worth it or if I should look into a different tablet.
I mean is it as buggy and problematic as it seems ?
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I mean is it as buggy and problematic as it seems ?
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You'd best do a LOT of reading about this thing if you don't want your pocket picked.
in a nutshell, yes it's worth the wait, and no it's not as buggy as it seems to be on these forums. are there some manuf flaws from a rushed first production run? sure. do most other first generation/run devices have flaws like this? yes.
value is very subjective and it's going to depend on what you want from a tablet.
do you want cutting edge hardware that will be "king" for at least 4 months?
do you not care about proper gps functionality? (as in, are you going to use this as a standalone GPS device for navigating and while it's not connected to a wireless network)
do you want android?
do you want timely updates?
do you want something NOW?
if you answered yes to those questions, the prime is hands down the best tablet on the market.
personally, my prime works fine (aside from no gps lock, but A-GPS works perfectly fine for my usage), i have very little light bleed on the upper left, and will exchange that for another one once gamestop gets new stock in, but otherwise this thing is fast, solid, & gorgeous.
the kicker for the prime line in general tends to be the dock, i had one for the tf101 and i loved it, waiting for amazon to deliver my dock for the prime.
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in a nutshell, yes it's worth the wait,
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Bull****.
Everytime I turn round there's a new thread with someone having MAJOR problems. The tablet isn't worth it to someone who has ANY clue as to the value of money.
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Bull****.
Everytime I turn round there's a new thread with someone having MAJOR problems. The tablet isn't worth it to someone who has ANY clue as to the value of money.
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Before you call BS on somebody's, IMHO very well argumented, opinion, have you considered:
1) Most people happy with their prime don't post "I'm so happy with my prime", only people having problems post in the forum.
2) Have you considered the prime install base vs. the number of thread stating problems. I agree that the prime has major hw issues if the install base is like only 500 units and there are 50 threads with problems (10% with defective units). But if the install base is 5,000 or 50,000 then only 1 to 0,1 % observes problems and almost 99% do not..
3) How many of the problems observed are in regards to human error or lack of knowledge? I've seen threads where people complain that the unit won't turn on because they haven't charged it or for what ever reason have gotten the unit into boot mode.
4)Some problems are attributed to ICS in general and not the prime.
I agree that the prime launch has been sub optimal and the first batch of primes has definitely generated a lot of static about hardware problems. I got mine exchanged for a new unit, and have not seen any of the problems mentioned on the forums.
OP: See adiliyo's post, I definitely agree on his views. I enjoy my Prime very much and with the keyboard, I rarely have a reason to boot my macbook. The UI is very smooth, it is absolutely a beast in regards to video playback, and the build quality is very good. With ICS the browser performance is very good and almost as fast as a desktop browser.
If you want to be sure to buy a tablet with no problems at all, then wait a few months after launch before you buy. Being first mover presents both unique problems but also unique rewards - like me having the prime in Denmark 5 weeks before hitting retail here.
It depends, the prime in itself is beautiful but there is no denying that it has some serious issues, namely GPS and WIFI.
GPS is irrelevant for me (even though it simply should work of course) but WIFI IS a serious issue. When close to the router and with no obstacles all is fine but performance degrades quickly once you move away from the router.
Check this video for a comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCZc3pjtrA
And I can confirm these results with my prime (also owning the original transformer TF101).
Apart from WIFI, it truely is beautiful and worth the wait but if you plan to use wifi across the house, or in some other spots with lesser access, for streaming video, etc please think twice (or thrice) before geting it.
Worth to me. I did a little homework before I decided to buy a Prime. I knew the GPS would be a problem, but I didn't really need a 10" GPS anyway. So I went for it.
The wifi function is okay, no big issue. everything is good. Quite satisfied now.
I believe it is worth the wait. I read constantly while waiting for best buy to have them in stock online. I took into consideration the various problems individuals were having and when one became available, I purchased it. I have had it all but a week now and have seen zero issues in regards to wi-fi (signal strength matches my Atrix's whereever I am) and GPS works well enough that it locates my location close-enough. As another poster said, only those people who have seen issues have posted about them. I have zero complaints with mine, especially with the ICS update yesterday, and would recommend this unit to anyone seeking a great tablet.
I'd say it's worth it. I know looking on the forums might make some people a little nervous about shelling out $500 for the current Prime. But you need to keep in mind that forums are where people go WHEN they have problems. Obviously, people with issues are over-represented here.
That said, I would not say the TF201 is perfect. GPS seems clearly defective. No excuses on this one. If you need GPS, look elsewhere.
Aside from that, I don't see anything else that can be considered a major flaw. Some people have issues with Wifi, most do not (myself included, I get the same internet speed on my TF201 as I do on my gigabit wired desktop). As far as the other stuff (light bleed, dead pixels), it's not really out of the ordinary for LCD screens for a minority to have issues...read newegg reviews for practically any popular monitor and you'll see it, likewise over at apple (or other device) forums. People who are expecting LCD screen production to be perfect or for manufacturers to go over every pixel on every device are kidding themselves.
Thank you for some of the replys.
This is my thing, I know generally the fourms are where people are going to be crying about there devices.
Now I work in a tech support type job, so I know an opinion of something can be skewed when all you see is bad about stuff. now the other thing though is this. I see people posting issues about how doing regular firmware updates are causing serious issues with their Prime's.
I know its hands down on papaer the best tablet, but even with one of my friends who has one, first time he opened it out of box he did a fireware update and nearly bricked and then had to do the battery drain to fix the problem.
So I am alittle hesitant on the whole prime still. Which is why I am here on the fourms asking, basicly seeing, those who are "happy" who haven't had the problems, who don't seem to be those who are whining and crying and complaing about how Asus "stole my money", come forth and say something.
Oh and thanks adiliyo, your post seemed to at least be unbias, so thanks, also I too dont give a rats about the GPS, its a tablet, sure its nice to work, but not a big deal for me. Also ph0ton you as well thanks for the opinion.
Hopefully there will still be more replys still, cause I am still sadly on the fence about his.
I recieved one from the 1st batch (arrived on 23rd) and the only issue I have is weaker GPS than my XOOM, but I have never used the GPS on either. My Wifi is fine, and I absolutely love the tablet overall. I would buy it again in a second.
The purpose of this poll is to shed some light on how many XDA members have problems with their units and how many do not. I don't care how many old similar threads there were in the past. After 2 months on the market, I and others, would like to see what owners think of their Prime and it's advertised features.
This thread is not meant to flame Asus or the TF201.
A simple yes, no or undecided will suffice.
Before voting please take the time to properly try out your Prime with Android 4.0(ICS) installed.
*** Mods. PLEASE don't close this poll. I am on my 5th Prime and I need to get a current idea of how many XDA owners have a good Prime. So that I and others can make an informed decision wether or not to continue playing Russian Roulette in hopes of getting a good Prime or just give up and move on. Thank You***
Yes, I am.
It's almost like a trick question.
Am I satisfied with my Prime? Yes.
Am I satisfied with its properly functioning features? Yes.
Are all its features properly functioning? No.
Therefore, personally, I'd say yes, I'm satisfied with it and its advertised functions; albeit one of those advertised functions does not work. I love it and wouldn't want a 300t or 700t if their ugly arses were out today.
More "professionally," (speaking for the general masses) of course not. How could I be? Screen bleed, dead pixels, possibly incomplete circuit boards: these things are easily someone's fault other than ASUS's (apart from lacking QC), as in whoever manufactured/supplied the screens and boards. But how these things are put together and tested is all their business, and many units are put together lacking advertised features altogether or showing HUGE variations of issues if they're not lacking, and being shipped without apparently ever even being turned on to have a glance at the bootscreen. And of course they wouldn't test every single device, but if they tested any proper number of devices per batch, they would have seen every issue (probably did) and should have stopped.
WoW!! 5 to 1 so far. I guess my local Bestbuy and Gamestop received a bad batch. If the majority continues to vote in favor of being completely satisfied with the TF201 and all of it's advertised features by a large margin, then Asus has done their job and it would be hard to argue otherwise.
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It's almost like a trick question.
Am I satisfied with my Prime? Yes.
Am I satisfied with its properly functioning features? Yes.
Are all its features properly functioning? No.
Therefore, personally, I'd say yes, I'm satisfied with it and its advertised functions; albeit one of those advertised functions does not work. I love it and wouldn't want a 300t or 700t if their ugly arses were out today.
More "professionally," (speaking for the general masses) of course not. How could I be? Screen bleed, dead pixels, possibly incomplete circuit boards: these things are easily someone's fault other than ASUS's (apart from lacking QC), as in whoever manufactured/supplied the screens and boards. But how these things are put together and tested is all their business, and many units are put together lacking advertised features altogether or showing HUGE variations of issues if they're not lacking, and being shipped without apparently ever even being turned on to have a glance at the bootscreen. And of course they wouldn't test every single device, but if they tested any proper number of devices per batch, they would have seen every issue (probably did) and should have stopped.
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Well said. I respect your opinion and your vote.
Now that I have a Prime where everything works (as posted, within the advertised functions), I love mine. It's fast, well-built, has an excellent screen, and I can read the damn thing in direct sunlight (which was what excited me the most about the Prime).
So, I'm quite satisfied.
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WoW!! 5 to 1 so far. I guess my local Bestbuy and Gamestop received a bad batch. If the majority continues to vote in favor of being completely satisfied with the TF201 and all of it's advertised features by a large margin, then Asus has done their job and it would be hard to argue otherwise.
Well said. I respect your opinion and your vote.
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It always turns out like this..lmfao. we had a thread just days ago shut down with exact same poll. That poll showed a total of over 80% saying yes, they satisfied with their primes and that they keeping it. WITHOUT A DOUBT, THERE ARE DEFECTIVE UNITS OUT THERE...BUT there's an even greater number out there that isn't and they truly love their prime. Ill admit, its surreal hearing about about people going thru several devices before getting a good one. I must have great luck to have my only 1 unit from Gamestop since 12/22, early batch, n it works great, looks great, display great, and wireless is great(aside from GPS of course..lol but now I learned how to use my phone as an external GPS reciever so I'm good).
If this poll ends by a large percentage voting yes. I will purchase my 6th prime at the other Bestbuy across town. I too want a PERFECTLY working Prime NOW!! Believe it or not. I'm too embarrased to buy another prime at my local gamestop or Bestbuy again. Through my 5 defective Primes, even I can see that the Prime is an amazing device as long as BT,Wifi and BT & WiFi work at the same time minus all the other issues. My last 5 Primes couldn't make it out of my living room 15ft away from my E4200 router.
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Ill admit, its surreal hearing about about people going thru several devices before getting a good one.
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Actually, I'm no longer surprised by this. It seems that consumer technology products in general suffer from initial build quality issues nowadays. For example, I went through three HP Envy 14 notebooks before getting a good one (bad keyboard lighting, bad DVD drive, broken fan that sounded like a jet aircraft taking off). I went through three Samsung Epic 4G's before getting one where the capacitive buttons all worked. I went through two Motorola Photons until I got one where the haptic feedback worked. All of those were purchased within a month or two of their respective launches.
And, I hate to say, I went through eight (yes, 8) Primes before getting one without a defective component (none of which included relatively weak wifi or GPS). Each and every Prime had something that either didn't work or was defective--and I'm not terribly picky. Two had screens that were atrocious (yellow tint, horrible colors), one had a stuck pixel and excessive light bleed (and I don't consider minimal light bleed to be an actual flaw with IPS screens) along with a bad speaker (broke up at higher volumes), one had an ugly chemical stain on the backplate and a bad speaker, one had a rattle near a docking connector that clearly indicated something broken loose inside, etc., etc.
I think that if you want to avoid getting defective units today, you need to wait a minimum of three months after launch to let the manufacturer work out the kinks. And I think that applies to every manufacturer today, bar none.
That said, my latest Prime is excellent. The other C1 unit I had was also excellent, except it had a clump of dead pixels in a place I couldn't ignore--and with millions of transistors, that kind of thing is bound to happen occasionally. So, I do think that maybe ASUS is close to being able to make a consistent product. It took them longer than I would have liked, certainly...
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If this poll ends by a large percentage voting yes. I will purchase my 6th prime at the other Bestbuy across town. I too want a PERFECTLY working Prime NOW!! Believe it or not. I'm too embarrased to buy another prime at my local gamestop or Bestbuy again. Through my 5 defective Primes, even I can see that the Prime is an amazing device as long as BT,Wifi and BT & WiFi work at the same time minus all the other issues. My last 5 Primes couldn't make it out of my living room 15ft away from my E4200 router.
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I feel what you saying n what you went through. Its just so hard to believe 5 primes wifi was that bad. Doesn't make no sense. Tablet is basically useless for online functions if wifi not up to par.
As far as what you said if large percentage vote yes, you might as well head out the door now n get your 6th. One. Prime supporters will be out n full force giving an honest vote.
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I feel what you saying n what you went through. Its just so hard to believe 5 primes wifi was that bad. Doesn't make no sense. Tablet is basically useless for online functions if wifi not up to par.
As far as what you said if large percentage vote yes, you might as well head out the door now n get your 6th. One. Prime supporters will be out n full force giving an honest vote.
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I already have 2 C1's on hold at a bestbuy here on the other side of town. After I see a large MAJORITY saying yes, after work I'll drive over there and test them in the store for defects. If these variables pan out to work in Asus's favor, I 'll re-welcome myself as a 6x TF201 owner.
I am now but had to go through 4. Terrible wifi, really bad light bleed (not just seen on a black screen) and dead pixels plauged my first three but with the c1 I got, all the problems are still there but not noticeable during normal usage.
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I just tried once. Bad gps bad wifi, and no useable wifi/bluetooth. Had bad screen bleed on left side. Took unit back. I'll try in a month.
Btw an 80% good build rate is not anything to brag about. That's pretty horrible. You need in the upper 90,s to have a successful product launch.
I have only one Prime and everything is great. Wifi is better than on my phone (Xperia Arc), but I haven't tried GPS. And everything else works great
No. I had one early launch and it had horrible WiFi with and without using Bluetooth. So, I brought it back to BestBuy. I had none of the other problems I have read about (didn't test GPS since I dont need it). Even ICS seemed to work perfectly. I have another being shipped from BB.com and I'm hoping it's a C1 since it seems like there has been better luck with the newer ones.
I'm leaving now to go and purchase my 6th prime. It's amazing how many people so far voted here in favor of a fully working Prime when I got 5 lemons in a row. I'm going to upgrade to ICS, right in the store.
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I'm leaving now to go and purchase my 6th prime. It's amazing how many people so far voted here in favor of a fully working Prime when I got 5 lemons in a row. I'm going to upgrade to ICS, right in the store.
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That'll be a smart move. If they let you test out device first before you take it home. Good luck! I hope this is the "One" for you.
Hard question to qualify
EDIT: Almost forgot. My current Prime is a C1 serial. They are not immune form defect, but they seem to be showing better percentages, if the rhetoric and anecdotal information is to be believed.
You know, it has all the POTENTIAL in the world. But apart from the poor R&D, testing, engineering, choice of materials, assembly, QC,supply chain and delivery woes, inconsistent build quality, etc., etc., etc., it's just freakin' AWESOME!!
I got luck, pretty much in #2 unit I got... It says VERY LITTLE for a company and it's product when buying one is a game of Russian roulette. Not that bad when you actually CAN exchange it and try, try again. But what about everyone for the first 5-6 weeks, when there WAS NO STOCK TO EXCHANGE IT FOR? You either a)gave it up, and had nothing (at least for a while), b) kept it with all it's foibles, or c) returned it and waited till stocks picked up to try again.
It does concern me that while Best Buy appears to be increasing it's stock levels, Amazon is STILL not showing that they have any intention of making this product available. I am not able to discern what this means precisely, but that, on top of all the previews of new tablets Asus is possibly releasing it gives me a bad feeling. A really bad feeling. oh... but yes. I love my Prime... REALLY, NO ****
skygunner27 said:
I'm leaving now to go and purchase my 6th prime. It's amazing how many people so far voted here in favor of a fully working Prime when I got 5 lemons in a row. I'm going to upgrade to ICS, right in the store.
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Depends on your definition of a "Lemon" If you are expecting perfection (or "Persistent Perfection" LOL) you won't be getting it anytime soon with Asus. The TF101 was awesome, and just as inconsistent, though not as riddled with issues. I had 3 of them in my search for a good one, (and I think 4 keyboards) In the end, I STILL never got a Keyboard and tablet that had matching metalic finish. I am not sure if thatwas supply side,, or if they built them at multiple plant locations, but they were inconsistent as hell.
And I thought Apple fanboys were bad! lol
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EDIT: Almost forgot. My current Prime is a C1 serial. They are not immune form defect, but they seem to be showing better percentages, if the rhetoric and anecdotal information is to be believed.
You know, it has all the POTENTIAL in the world. But apart from the poor R&D, testing, engineering, choice of materials, assembly, QC,supply chain and delivery woes, inconsistent build quality, etc., etc., etc., it's just freakin' AWESOME!!
I got luck, pretty much in #2 unit I got... It says VERY LITTLE for a company and it's product when buying one is a game of Russian roulette. Not that bad when you actually CAN exchange it and try, try again. But what about everyone for the first 5-6 weeks, when there WAS NO STOCK TO EXCHANGE IT FOR? You either a)gave it up, and had nothing (at least for a while), b) kept it with all it's foibles, or c) returned it and waited till stocks picked up to try again.
It does concern me that while Best Buy appears to be increasing it's stock levels, Amazon is STILL not showing that they have any intention of making this product available. I am not able to discern what this means precisely, but that, on top of all the previews of new tablets Asus is possibly releasing it gives me a bad feeling. A really bad feeling. oh... but yes. I love my Prime... REALLY, NO ****
Depends on your definition of a "Lemon" If you are expecting perfection (or "Persistent Perfection" LOL) you won't be getting it anytime soon with Asus. The TF101 was awesome, and just as inconsistent, though not as riddled with issues. I had 3 of them in my search for a good one, (and I think 4 keyboards) In the end, I STILL never got a Keyboard and tablet that had matching metalic finish. I am nit sure if thatwas supply side,, or if they built them at multiple plant locations, but they were inconsistent as hell.
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Mine is from Amazon. Had it for all of four days lol guessing you're out of the US or have the dock on order with it?
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Yes I am completely satisfied.
I've waited, toyed with the idea, tried to sell it to myself and am now, I think almost ready to take the plunge.
Here is my worry after spending an hour in these forums.
Would I be buying a dud? Is the prime that bad hardware wise and littered with problems that I'd be wasting my money.
Do you think / know if the GPS Wifi and BT issues are likely to get fixed or have they improved.
I'd really really appreciate any advice people can give me, stock is limited in the uk and add to that the horror stories of rma's etc I want to make sure im making the right decision.
Thank you so much
Chris
The percentage chance that you have a crippling issue is slim. It's more likely that you get a device and love it. The simple thing here is make sure you can return the device if you don't like it or have issues. Don't buy it from a place that won't take it back once you've opened it.
As far as GPS, that likely won't have a permanent fix from the software side.
Just my 2 cents.
I bought my prime about a week ago, I honestly do not know what problem these people are having. I did not read about any hardware problems with wifi/GPS until after I bought two primes (one for me and one for wife). So I checked further and I do not experience any problems that are described here. Wifi is great no matter where I am and GPS is actually a lot better and much quicker to activate than my sprint epic touch phone. Believe me I was worried that I would have to take them back and settle for older technology or *cough* the iPad. Not sure, maybe they corrected it by the time I bought mine because both of mine work great, so I am happy for that
I am very happy with the prime and would easily recommend it to anyone.
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
In the UK we have the distant sellers act (think its called that) where you can return and item (opened or not) within seven days.
I figure thats a good enough chance for me to test it without worry
Any more answers welcome btw !!!
Cheers again
Chris
gsusx said:
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
In the UK we have the distant sellers act (think its called that) where you can return and item (opened or not) within seven days.
I figure thats a good enough chance for me to test it without worry
Any more answers welcome btw !!!
Cheers again
Chris
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Don't forget to hit that "Thanks" button for posts that you really want to thank people for.
You'll never know until you try
I got my Prime in mid-January and aside from the GPS not being great I haven't had a single issue with it. It works perfectly for everything I have tried to do with it (watch videos, browse internet, light office work, playing games, etc).
GPS will never be fixed to the point where you can rely on it for navigation away from a WiFi source. There are very good reasons why Asus removed GPS from the official features list. If you can accept only rough positioning for apps like weather and location assisted searches you most likely not have any issues with the Prime at all.
I'm on my third Prime. First two had GPS/WiFi issues, one had bad screen bleed.
Picked up this one last Friday. GPS works very good. Not as good as my Samsung Infuse, but good enough. Tested it last night on the road for 30 minutes. Only at one point the GPS showed me one street over, but corrected itself in a minute or two. (Don't intend on using it for navigation, but wanted to see how good accurate the GPS was.)
WiFi is good and no screen bleed. I would say Asus fixed their QC issues with the C2 serial numbers, but other C2 owners say they have no GPS. Luck of the draw I suppose.
I think i'll certainly give it a go. GPS isnt a massive deal, obviously for location based searches it would be helpful but im not planning as using it as a sat nav
wifi and bt are the bigger issues of the 3
I have mine since almost a month now (C1 serial). This device is about the best thing i ever bought.
It does all i want, it's not too heavy, looks beautiful and everything is just smooth and works amazing.
Now it all depends on what you plan to use it for. If you use it primarily as a GPS device in your car, dont buy it. It'll suck for that. Dont get me wrong the GPS works, and i get a lock in under a minute, but i wouldn't want to depend on it.
Asus is very good with updates so far (and was also with the original Transformer) so i'm sure they will optimize the **** out the TF201. WIFI already got stronger for me with the patch that got released this week (didnt have issues before but now i have more bars).
But if you want a device for your basic IT stuff, browsing, games, movies, forums, emails etcetc. This is an amazing product. Go for it.
Of course there is always a chance that you get a bad unit. Its always like this when you buy a brand new high tech product. Really doesnt matter which company, Apple, Samsung... But that shouldnt prevent you from getting this sexy little thing The Prime is already very good and it will only get better through software updates.
thanks again everyone think im gonna take the plunge will report back
If you took 5 seconds to do a search you'd see 453 threads on this topic.
gsusx said:
I've waited, toyed with the idea, tried to sell it to myself and am now, I think almost ready to take the plunge.
Here is my worry after spending an hour in these forums.
Would I be buying a dud? Is the prime that bad hardware wise and littered with problems that I'd be wasting my money.
Do you think / know if the GPS Wifi and BT issues are likely to get fixed or have they improved.
I'd really really appreciate any advice people can give me, stock is limited in the uk and add to that the horror stories of rma's etc I want to make sure im making the right decision.
Thank you so much
Chris
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You should ask this question again in the refund thread.