So I got ICS 4.0.3 now on my Xperia Neo V and I'm pretty disappointed of what Sony had brought on the table.
Why?
1.) The update was simply just the OS and not the overall design (UI and icons), functions, and performance (same with ICS Beta).
2.) ICS is still a bit laggy. I still have to use an OCed kernel to get the most of Sony ICS 4.0.3
3.) Standard application such as messages, clocks, world time, calendar, calc, are still GB 2.3.4 based apps. Perhaps they were just modified to run on ICS.
Although the dialer and phonebook seems to be updates but still the icons are not sleek and not revamped.
4.) Out-call screen is too dull and boring (its not sleek anyway, still based on GB 2.3.4), on the other hand in-call screen seems to be updated.
5.) Media player is still based on GB 2.3.4 and I can say its too old school, and I'm not liking it.
5.) WiFi Direct was removed. Why????
My Expectations for Sony ICS:
Given that Sony have already launched Xperia S, then why not put all those sleek icons and UI enhancements on Sony ICS? Isn't really hard to copy and paste them? I said copy and paste because I myself was copying and pasting all the UI images of Xperia S and modifying apks of the recently released ICS for 2011 Xperia.
C'mon guys people are waiting for something new for them to play and make use of it. Is this what we get because of your lower priced phones than with your competitors?
In Contrast with Other Phone:
Recently HTC released, HTC One V which has the same and exact chipset, ram, processor with Neo V. And I was able to use One V personally for 3 days and its not laggy. A new revamped UI was also implemented and there are new features than of with their previous builds. Take note that One V has ICS 4.0.3 with HTC Sense 4.0 (which I believe a resource hog - as they say).
My point here is that why HTC can but why Sony can't? I know you'll just say that "go ahead and move on to HTC" but what I am telling you guys (especially the developers or forum mods)
why can't Sony build a much sleek UI, new features and functions, and a great & optimized ICS. Hello? We are not only waiting for ICS we are also waiting for a new & fresh user experience.
Conclusion
Perhaps most of you guys here won't agree with me but to be honest I've been using Sony (Ericsson) products since I'm on high school. What I am trying to say is that please Sony do hear what your customers are saying.
They are not dumb and we do want changes most especially, you guys are Sony and you are not HTC nor Samsung, please MAKE A CHANGE. If you would like to be a leader in mobile technology then try to consider our opinions.
That's all.
DrearierJester1 said:
Conclusion
Perhaps most of you guys here won't agree with me but to be honest I've been using Sony (Ericsson) products since I'm on high school. What I am trying to say is that please Sony do hear what your customers are saying.
They are not dumb and we do want changes most especially, you guys are Sony and you are not HTC nor Samsung, please MAKE A CHANGE. If you would like to be a leader in mobile technology then try to consider our opinions.
That's all.
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As a Neo V user from Turkey certainly im not one the "most of the guys". Totally agree with you...
Totally agree with all the points,been using Sony Ericsson mobiles from 2006 and kinda disappointed about the update.They claim about a total gui revamp while in reality its just an icon change in apps :/ About the lag well try some games and apps,it will start going super slow :/ I see you copy/pasted this same in the thread I made in sony site,and still no reply from any dev or mod..lol
About new apps not being there well their message must be if you want all the new stuff buy a new 2012 device,which is totally marketing bs.Anyway disappointed with Sony.This is why if you wanna mod should buy a Google Nexus,damn nobody told me this before buying Neo V
htc fanbois go buy htc phones. even apple fanbois do the same.
as for ICS, im pretty pleased to run it SMOOTHLY after dealing with the apps arround.
210MB free ram on stock ics with stock kernel. even GB didnt have that kind of goodness.
just go in settings apps and use the awesome feature in ICS to actually DISABLE apps u dont use so they wont get even loaded.
then re-evaluate the rom
as for gaming, its not sony's fault that app developers didnt update their apps to face ICS changes. Just check the chart (stats are from march 2012) and see where are u in this.
yeah, in the 2.4% OF ALL ANDROIDS OUT THERE
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no wifi direct than we want that next update
edit: I forgot about wireless performance wifi modules backported from 2.6.39 compat-wireless branch that's only good thing
core system ics based everything else comes from gb
why they didn't use NXT UI for ics
simple answer they want a quick ics upgrade so can't be done like already promised timeline
anyway I hope they reading those topics
look guys it's released use it and stop complaining they won't be updating these phones again ever , 2011 is done to them ! i guess.....
No more slide to unlock + pattern, goes straight to pattern, I am well pleased
That'd be my "at first glance" thing.
xperia S player can be installed easily and without root
sunlight10f said:
No more slide to unlock + pattern, goes straight to pattern, I am well pleased
That'd be my "at first glance" thing.
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That would be a relief
First impresion:
1.language:bahasa,basa sunda,bosanski,catala, cestina,dansk,deutsch,eesti,nglish,espanol,euskara,francais,galero,hrvatski,islenska,italiano,jawa,latviesu,lietuviq,nederlands norsk,polski,portuques.romana,shqipe,slovencina,slovenscina,srpski,suomi,svenska,tagolog.turkce.rusian and Asia(i dont know write)
for instal use flashtool 0.6.9.1(if use other version is posible to have error)
for CWM and root use nightelf kernel rc2 and then superuser 3.0.7
in my opinion (i am not an expert) loocks good and move very good;i have a galaxy s2 and must admit the ics for neo is fast and looking good
misfortune i cant make a sceenshot at GB
camera,wi-fi, bluethooh,data transfer, mms,phone works very good
sorry for my bad english
Perfetic the fact the framework is from last year 2011 December 31 and the rest is a month old march 3rd says it all thanks Sony you went all out on this one not!
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Well,
yesterday i flashed the leaked Rom from HongKong and i was quite surprised.
the rom runs really smooth but i'm facing 2 Problems:
when connecting to my wifi at home, the connection of my pc gets disconnected (anybody a idea what that could be?)
and the second thing is that i 3G is not working for me...
but the rest is awesome
neothechosenone said:
Well,
yesterday i flashed the leaked Rom from HongKong and i was quite surprised.
the rom runs really smooth but i'm facing 2 Problems:
when connecting to my wifi at home, the connection of my pc gets disconnected (anybody a idea what that could be?)
and the second thing is that i 3G is not working for me...
but the rest is awesome
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Use official not leaked
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hope that will work in germany with my Neo... (don't own the V version)
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hope that will work in germany with my Neo... (don't own the V version)
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What you talking about its the same phone
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I'm really disappointed in this. Not just the seemingly lack of effort from Sony's part, they said that they would help to 'optimise' the software before release, and instead I have options to disable ANT+ or Facebook Inside Xperia. Even with those removed, and using tweaks and whatnot, I have only about 100 - 150 mb of RAM, usually under 100 @Gjole86: If you can tell me what you disabled to get 210 mb of RAM, could you please share ><
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What you talking about its the same phone
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well, i'm confused... in every ROM i was flashing there was an NEO V Patch... so there has to be a difference or am i totally wrong?
nevertheless... got an Error message while flashing...
14/021/2012 14:21:33 - ERROR - ERR_SEVERITY="MAJOR";ERR_CLASS="MEMORY_CLASS";ERR_STATIC="HASH_VER";ERR_DYNAMIC="Final data verification failed";
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well, i'm confused... in every ROM i was flashing there was an NEO V Patch... so there has to be a difference or am i totally wrong?
nevertheless... got an Error message while flashing...
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Every one got that and only difference is the camera
Just relax and re flash system. Sin
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kormatoes said:
Every one got that and only difference is the camera
Just relax and re flash system. Sin
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still have this problem :/
neothechosenone said:
still have this problem :/
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Flash different kernel and fully wipe phone and cash and dalvik and reboot
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(now for a opinion/statement... don't take this as a negative, the progress being made is great and all the Devs are doing one heck of a job)
ICS is the new hotness and everyone wants it... but it seems that getting it running properly is probably going to take a lot of work and time. (Tbolt still has no data for example)
That is why I am hopping for a GB port. (CM7 for example) In theory, it should be much easier to port that over than ICS right?
We can have some GB AOSP goodness to hold us over until all the kernel problems and other issues with ICS are worked out.
Now if we can get the major bits working on ICS then this is moot. As long as data, wifi, and the phone works, I can handle a few bugs and a few random reboots.
(Once again not trying to be negative or knock down the achievements being made these last few days. I have been following the threads every chance I get.)
So a question to you guys out there... what do you think?
Both are going to take a large amount of time to achieve. Seeing as we have maybe 1 AOSP GB kernel, and I'm not even sure if that works. Also the whole issue with CM7 was the RIL thanks to LTE and that took awhile for the Tbolt to iron out. Also our phone is likely to get an offical release for ICS sooner than the tbolt, and probably will be easier to adapt. Who knows it could take less time and effort this time around to get a functioning RIL. But in my eyes why would they want to dump time into CM7 especially when theres the chance for pure AOSP ICS/Sense ICS on our devices? It's not like our phones don't run great w/ the sense roms at the moment. Only thing irritating me are the bootlops w/ the kernels. Not sure if thats voltage or software stability.. Honestly at this point it would be more wise to put focus onto ICS development. With ALL the improvements that ICS offers would be foolish to stick on GB.
From what I just read in another kernel, data would be an issue regardless.
I was thinking that GB would be easier to get working. If not, then there is no need.
ICS is definitely the way to go.
Data is the usual issue when dealing with these kinds of ports. I'm not sure if anyone is working on a GB AOSP rom, or even if theyre bothering to port CM7. From what I've hard the RIL can be a real pain in the ass.
Figured that sort of thing would be made robust to make it easier to get on many different devices.
You'd think so but software fragmentation is a monster in it's own. But hopefully with ICS we will truly have a unified platform this time around.
Right now they are doing what they can. The real magic will happen after we get the ics update and the ics kernel source.
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I dont know about everyone else, but my phone is running just fine on GB, GingerSense to be exact (and ran fine stock). I think at this point ICS is more of a fanboy thing. All these people want to hop on the bandwagon because it's the newest thing, without even proof it's really going to make the Android experience that much better. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something?
There is proof, it is called the Galaxy Nexus.
ICS will be worth the wait just to get the second core in our dual-core phones running.
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ICS will be worth the wait just to get the second core in our dual-core phones running.
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We're only running on one core now?
Superguy said:
We're only running on one core now?
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It acts more like an overflow core. Honeycomb and ICS are optimized for dual core.
Just like root came, this will come too, in time. I can wait for now.
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There is proof, it is called the Galaxy Nexus.
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I have yet to hear of any ICS specific function that makes the Nexus so much better of an experience to the point that I must have ICS asap.
Marine6680 said:
That is why I am hopping for a GB port. (CM7 for example) In theory, it should be much easier to port that over than ICS right?
We can have some GB AOSP goodness to hold us over until all the kernel problems and other issues with ICS are worked out.
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+1!!
bring on cm7
rboddy said:
I have yet to hear of any ICS specific function that makes the Nexus so much better of an experience to the point that I must have ICS asap.
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There is nothing special about the Nexus, per se, but ICS brings further hardware acceleration and dual-core optimization. The Rezound runs rock-solid on GB, but it will be unbelievable on ICS.
Beyond that, I like the re-sizeable and scrollable widgets that are stock-ICS, which brings a great feature to people who use launchers without that ability. And ICS has some really slick widget-updates to YouTube and Gallery, among others. Not to mention finally getting an Email and Gmail widget, although they failed in not having a universal widget for all messages.
How about the fact that ics actually has a design identity and looks decent. Sense gingerbread is horrible.
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I love it on my captivate. Runs smooth as silk
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How about the fact that ics actually has a design identity and looks decent. Sense gingerbread is horrible.
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To each his own. I've always liked how sense looks
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Scroslers ICS is running pretty damn smooth including data, wifi etc
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I have no clue why or who ever in Samsung development messed this up, but when you stream flash videos in full screen the notification does not auto hide. To me this is completely unacceptable as it ruins the possibility of "full screen" and it can actually damage the oled in these phones.
I think this fix should be a MUST for any developer currently making rooms for this phone. The only from currently that I know of that fixes it is Cyanogen.. but I do want a stable ICS and oh boy can't we all dream of a perfect aosp from... dreams of super fast clean friendly user experience...
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They are still beta builds so stop moaning until we get official roms.
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I think this fix should be a MUST for any developer currently making rooms for this phone.
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And you feel that you can issue demands to the devs because...?? Why are you so special?
Why be a dev if your goal is half ass roms? The only thing I'm wondering is why has this not been addressed by the community? Why is this still "OK" and why are trolls immediately the only ones present in this forum?
There's a Q&A for ya..
Its funny how you think my suggestion is un warranted. I just desperately want to ruin my phone with burn in right?
It's not your suggestion, it's your attitude.
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Why be a dev if your goal is half ass roms? The only thing I'm wondering is why has this not been addressed by the community? Why is this still "OK" and why are trolls immediately the only ones present in this forum?
There's a Q&A for ya..
Its funny how you think my suggestion is un warranted. I just desperately want to ruin my phone with burn in right?
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AS said above, it looks like your are running ICS which is in beta and has not been officially released, you are complaining about an unfinished, unofficially released BETA rom.
You may need some time of reflection and a lot of reading to understand what you are doing......
Why be a dev if your goal is half ass roms?
You answer your question yourself why build a rom based on a half assed buggy beta release .
Put in a very simple way . Why waste time on a buggy beta build that may be very different come release day .
When ICS is released and if a dev thinks its worth fixing your problem i am sure they will .
jje
OK it sounds like no one understood , I will attempt to explain this better. This is NOT an ICS problem this problem is with EVERY rom including stock update strait from Kies. I went as far as contacting Samsung to get a fix, but as you can see in my profile I live in the US and the US Samsung will not help me with my UK phone. Why everything between us is so divided beats me but still the issue remains.
As I stated currently the only rom that fixes it is Cyanogen but just as JJ stated why use a buggy beta when the release will be much different/better. Also I am currently running ICS and have not encountered a single bug. Everything works perfect except for Samsung's stupid attempt to burn in my screen. I don't know about everyone else but I paid $580 for this phone and the last thing I want is a permanent" 3g" on my screen...
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OK it sounds like no one understood , I will attempt to explain this better. This is NOT an ICS problem this problem is with EVERY rom including stock update strait from Kies. I went as far as contacting Samsung to get a fix, but as you can see in my profile I live in the US and the US Samsung will not help me with my UK phone. Why everything between us is so divided beats me but still the issue remains.
As I stated currently the only rom that fixes it is Cyanogen but just as JJ stated why use a buggy beta when the release will be much different/better. Also I am currently running ICS and have not encountered a single bug. Everything works perfect except for Samsung's stupid attempt to burn in my screen. I don't know about everyone else but I paid $580 for this phone and the last thing I want is a permanent" 3g" on my screen...
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Then give us more information. Saying that streaming videos don't go full screen is no where near enough. What ROM, website, browser etc are you using because the last time I tried this (Not long after the S2 was released) it worked just fine. I tried a 720p video from megaupload and it went full screen just fine. Same with youtube/youtube app. Give more information, not attitude. Also, i'd wager than there is zero chance of your display burning in a 3G icon. Perhaps the full notification bar if you use MIUI/a white or light theme but I highly doubt the majority of people will experience any burn in, never mind such a small specific burn in.
Fair enough.. more info. I usually run completely stock and decided to play around with ics. A main site I stream with is twitch.TV (I am a big starcraft2 player and use the pro streams to get better) while I'm at work I watch for hours sometimes 7 hours straight. This WILL cause burn in.
When the problem occurs:
Watching ANY true flash video online(not YouTube app) while in full screen mode in any browser or Rom besides cyanogen.
If you don't believe me test it yourself. Go to twitch.TV pick a stream let the video load and click the full screen button. If you have a rom that the notification bar disappears let me know and you won't hear.me "moan" anymore.
Or maybe one of you super nice Brits can call UK Samsung and get an official fix. The number is 08702420303.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197496
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197496
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Does this work on the new ICS browser? I only see 2.xx on there. It would be a beneficial trade but I just started enjoying the new browser :/
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Does this work on the new ICS browser? I only see 2.xx on there. It would be a beneficial trade but I just started enjoying the new browser :/
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Download the diff, check for relevant changes (there's not many for fullscreen) and mod your own browser. Before you ask, I'm not going to hold your hand on this one, and am not willing to do it for you either (I don't use an ICS ROM).
Not asking for any hand holding or hand outs for that matter.. one last question can it be done completely from the phone?
Actually nvm that browser mod will not work with ics. Even states in that post "should be comparable with 2.3.x roms.
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Actually nvm that browser mod will not work with ics.
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Sure it will, you just have to be willing to put in some work. Namely, as I already said, downloading the diff, checking for relevant changes (I think there's only two changes relating to full screen) and getting them into your Browser.apk. You're probably going to need to do some reading.
Judging by this part of your post:
airninja6r said:
one last question can it be done completely from the phone?
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I'm going to make a guess you won't bother with this.
Sony Japan has announced to release the Android 4.0.3 Ice Cream Sandwich
update for its Tablet S and Tablet P devices by the end of April. It is most likely
will be a phase-wise roll out and India-based Tablet S/P owners can expect the
update by same time. Sony tablets will also get a new Small Apps feature that
will let the users to pull certain applications on top of another app already running.
New Android 4.0.3 ICS update for the Sony tablets is expected to bring several
improvements include better multi-tasking. Sony will provide a new Recopla
app to stream the TV programs directly to the tablet over WiFi network. The
Recopla app will also be able to control Sony branded Blu-ray Disc recorders and Sony's Google TV.
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With the Android 4.0.3 ICS, Sony tablets will also get a new feature called
Small Apps. Under this feature, users will be able to open and drag apps on the
top of already open apps, giving users a computer-like experience.
For instance, if the Google Maps app is already open, then the user can fire up
the Calculator app and use on top of the Google Maps app.
There is no task switching involved.
Several developers are skeptical about the actual performance of this Android
4.0 ICS update for Sony tablets. The Sony engineers are likely to use the old
Linux 2.6 based Android Kernel with the Android 4.0 ICS update. The changes
visible would be on the battery life and power management. As of now, there is
no clarity whether the Android 4.0.3 ICS for Tablet S and Tablet P will actually
bring the optimisations available through the Linux 3.0 based Android kernel or not.
Nonetheless, it is indeed good news for the users to receive Android 4.0 ICS
update for Sony Tablet S and Tablet P.
Thanks for sharing
thanks for this infos
Maybe ICS wont be so bad afterall
Vinny1967 said:
Maybe ICS wont be so bad afterall
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Haha xD Indeed
And I search like a maniak but still cant seem to find pictures from the app or the settings menu,
I will just keep searching and I think ICS for Sony tablet is almost there
Dont believe Sony
Sony stated that ICS would be here at the beginning of April, then mid April now the end of April.
I have said it before and will say it again Sony burnt their fingers with this tablet and will not be making any major changes to it. I regret selling my Asus Transporter to buy this hunk of junk.
Im puzzled why you sold your Asus for a sony.
I was under the impression that they first stated early February.
It seems to be taking them longer than other developers despite having a large infrastructure.
I'm desperate for it seeing as I have a bricked device.
Tabby
I love my tablet, I make sweet love to it, ics is worth the wait.
the info in first post are not new, there are from: March 22, 2012.
>see here<
PeterPan6754 said:
the info in first post are not new, there are from: March 22, 2012.
>see here<
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Thats not the point i only search all information availably on this moment
Interesting that Sony are likely to stick with Kernel 2.6 since 3.0 was quite a jump and these days I use 3.3 on many of my PCs and devices, and it's been very good so far. I guess some of Sony's custom additions might need some of the old 2.6 "legacy" features...
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Interesting that Sony are likely to stick with Kernel 2.6 since 3.0 was quite a jump and these days I use 3.3 on many of my PCs and devices, and it's been very good so far. I guess some of Sony's custom additions might need some of the old 2.6 "legacy" features...
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3.1 is now supported on Tegra 3 and Tegra 2 according to Franco so seems a shame
Who cares if sony bloatware needs 2.x.xx???? I want kernel 3.xx on my sony!!!! I have 30 days to return the tablet and i will return it if sony's release of ICS has the old kernel..
colint3 said:
Sony stated that ICS would be here at the beginning of April, then mid April now the end of April.
I have said it before and will say it again Sony burnt their fingers with this tablet and will not be making any major changes to it. I regret selling my Asus Transporter to buy this hunk of junk.
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Sony have rolled out the Xperia phones ICS updates, so they will send it out soon.
This is the reason why some companies dont release a date until they are sure of it. Your kind of posts come up on forums and deter buyers, just because of misinformation. I love my tablet, why is that? Cause it does what i want it to. And the functions Sony said it has are on it and work to my standards. They never stated that it will be out at the start/middle of april, that was a rumor/misinterpretation of the message("It will be out sometime in April"). It is now confirmed that it will be the end of April and you can be sure of it, if they dont release it, then you can post something like what you have.
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Sony have rolled out the Xperia phones ICS updates, so they will send it out soon.
This is the reason why some companies dont release a date until they are sure of it. Your kind of posts come up on forums and deter buyers, just because of misinformation. I love my tablet, why is that? Cause it does what i want it to. And the functions Sony said it has are on it and work to my standards. They never stated that it will be out at the start/middle of april, that was a rumor/misinterpretation of the message("It will be out sometime in April"). It is now confirmed that it will be the end of April and you can be sure of it, if they dont release it, then you can post something like what you have.
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JMS74 said:
Who cares if sony bloatware needs 2.x.xx???? I want kernel 3.xx on my sony!!!! I have 30 days to return the tablet and i will return it if sony's release of ICS has the old kernel..
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That's probably excessive. A well optimised 2.x.x can often far outperform the newer kernels on Android. In fact, Linux 3.3 is almost exclusively pushing the changes from the Android kernel into the mainline one...
For the majority of users in the far majority of situations, you will never even notice the different kernels, so theres no need to go sending devices back because the number is not the one you wanted. Just sayin'
well said.
I'm running ICS beta on my Moto atrix, which is using a 2.6 kernel. guess what, its much quicker/smoother (esp browser) than gingerbread, even without a 3.x kernel. So personally I don't care as long as its ICS as we know it.
The sony additions are useful for some of us. like the native dualshock support
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Who cares if sony bloatware needs 2.x.xx???? I want kernel 3.xx on my sony!!!! I have 30 days to return the tablet and i will return it if sony's release of ICS has the old kernel..
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Sounds like a bit of a kneejerk reaction there.To me it looks like yer looking for an excuse to send it back.Sony can't please everybody and I'm sure they'll release ICS with whatever kernel they think works best with it.
Vinny1967 said:
Sounds like a bit of a kneejerk reaction there.To me it looks like yer looking for an excuse to send it back.Sony can't please everybody and I'm sure they'll release ICS with whatever kernel they think works best with it.
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+1 for that xD
Installed the official CM9 two nights ago and I really can't find anything more than nitpicking at this point. Sure the home screen transition is still not quite as smooth as my wife's iPhone 4, but it is smooth enough and all the apps/games I have tried are fast enough, battery life is also incredible as I got over 4 hours screen time on wifi for my first full charge.
I have compared my device against Galaxy S3 and HTC One X, and there is no question the performance difference at this point is not worth the extra screen size to me. It is really amazing what a cohesive (no touchwiz dialer + ICS task manager mesh mash, CM9 is completely refined!) and bloat free experience CM9 is. Even the official ICS ROM after de-bloating still has too many Samsung applications for my taste.
More importantly, mobile phone applications are not desktop programs, you are not going to run Photoshop or Visual Studio on your Galaxy Note, you are not likely to play Crisis. I really believe dual core for mobile phone is very very similar to core 2 duo on desktops, that once you reach a certain level of performance, you just don't need any more upgrades. My wife and I both have 5 year old core 2 duo's and with a very modest Nvidia 9600 GT, I can still play most if not all of the mainstream games. Sure I can't play them at highest graphic details, but I can still enjoy Skyrim or Diablo 3.
I think the exact scenario is happening to mobile devices. All the top apps/games have to cater to the lowest common denominator, unless you are super hardcore, you will be satisfied. In the past people had to upgrade for performance, but I don't think it is the case anymore. I will wait out the full two year contract and pick up Note 2 when it is on sale for a discount, unless there is a hardware failure. And I think manufacturers will also see the same problem, that it will be harder and harder to get existing users to upgrade.
A big thank you to the developers! The Cyanogen team is amazing!
Im gonna be flashing tomorrow cm9 cant wait
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Ya, cm has always been nice. They usually have that extra bit of polish and professionalism. Aokp is decent too.
As far as buying new devices, there will always be people wanting to upgrade to the latest and greatest even if what they have is still completely adequate. Being an EE technology major, I'm one of those people who will buy new stuff just because I love technology. And Moore's law says it will keep getting better lol. If I can ever get a fng job, I'll definitely buy the note 2 if its awesome enough.
Everyone has computers, but most people never upgrade them to keep up with the times, they wait til they've crippled it after a few years then buy a new one. I've gotten so many nice computers that were "broken" from people, only to open them up, clean them out, reinstall whatever os I need and have it be perfectly fine for years. Usually just a fan or seating issue with some hardware.
Sidetracked, sorry.
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I also fell in love with my device again. It is much faster with CM9 and I don't need anything more. The OC kernel makes it fly. I can't make it lag. Transitions are buttery smooth. I can't wait until JB or CM10. A whole new device with touchwiz gone. Don't even miss the s pen
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On every android phone I've had I always ended up putting cm on it, it's just so much better than stock
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Here's mine
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What's your brightness level on?
After debloating and installing trebuchet launcher, I think stock runs just as well as cm9
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Upgraded last night after a clean wipe. I like it save for I cannot uninstall ROM manager, and I can't run soft keys. Other than that you couldn't pay me to keep it. I'll be moving to the iPhone 5 and the Note 2 as fast as I can. I absolutely despise the old style hard keys. They are a crime against humanity and must be removed in the Note 2. Full screen or death!!
where is official cm9?
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where is official cm9?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767889
I saw this thread regarding CM9, but it looks like they only have beta-ish nightlies available. Haven't tried them myself.
I installed h0tw1r3's CM9 based ROM (here) and it is really beautiful.
I wanted to add that I completely agree with OP. This is my first Android phone, and I knew the power of custom ROM's in the past from using Windows Mobile 5/6. I tried several that were all pretty nice, but coming across the CM9 ROM, I feel like it really lives up to the hype. Gorgeous, polished, fast as hell!
Thanks to CM team and XDA, you guys rock.
Yeah I was under the impression that there was nothing official yet.
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I also fell in love with my device again. It is much faster with CM9 and I don't need anything more. The OC kernel makes it fly. I can't make it lag. Transitions are buttery smooth. I can't wait until JB or CM10. A whole new device with touchwiz gone. Don't even miss the s pen
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So is cm9 ics with OC kernel?
They still haven't done audio through USB yet have they?
Sent from the Galaxy!
"I installed h0tw1r3's CM9 ROM and it is beautiful"
I am always amazed at how CM9 has the extra little touches that make a phone really work optimally like wake on volume, put screen to sleep[in notification pull down], included toggles, etc. For some reason unknown to me other ROM developers never include most of these but IMHO they make the Note really useful.
So why is there nothing on their website if this is official? Not a final release?
Also, does the cm team run on donations just like must devs?
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I think CM9 is not ready for prime time on the note. Checking the use internal SD in the storage setting forces it into a boot loop. Definely will have to wait until fixed. This is for the 7-16 nightly.
I love cm9 too.. Very fast and smooth no lag only had one little bump so far.. I run cm9 on my note and my galaxy tab 2
I would love to use cm9 but im an avid user of bell mobile tv. If there is a way to get both, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks
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Upgraded last night after a clean wipe. I like it save for I cannot uninstall ROM manager, and I can't run soft keys. Other than that you couldn't pay me to keep it. I'll be moving to the iPhone 5 and the Note 2 as fast as I can. I absolutely despise the old style hard keys. They are a crime against humanity and must be removed in the Note 2. Full screen or death!!
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Just delete the rom manager app inside the zip before flash and there you go, no more ROM manager.. are you kidding?! why waste perfect screen real estate for emulated keys? Sure the screen could go all the way to the bottom without any hard keys but unless they create a screen with a built in speaker there will always be a space at the top of the phone for that and they balanced the look of the phone by centering the screen AND including keys so that 100% of the LCD is usable. Go get in line with the sheep for that iPhone and sell your note to someone more appreciative of a fully customizable phone
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and I can't run soft keys.
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there are other roms that support this....
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On every android phone I've had I always ended up putting cm on it, it's just so much better than stock
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You Sir, just hit the proverbial nail, directly on the head.......g
For those of you considering whether to put CM9 or CM10 on your HP Touchpad, or those considering upgrading to CM10:
Left CM10, Right CM9
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Advantages of CM9:
-Stable
-Smooth
-Small weekly CyanogenMod updates
-Much higher Anututu score
Advantages of CM10
-Actively be part of the development community by sharing results with the devs JCScullins & Dorreguay who work hard in porting
-Google Now works perfectly
For one, CM10 is much more buggy. It's also very choppy, considering its running 'Project Butter'. Transitions between windows and apps isn't nearly as smooth as the CM9 build. Overall, CM9 is a much better experience on the HP Touchpad, and if you are not willing to put up with the hindrances of CM10, stick to CM9 until a stable-ler alpha release of CM10 hits XDA. In my opinion, Ice Cream Sandwich is better then Jelly Bean. I feel like Jelly Bean is going in the reverse direction, and Google is not thinking about the approach, "Why fix something' that ain't broke".
An example, when opening a link in an email, you get the option on which application/browser to open the link in. In ICS, you can click the app in the list that pops up, and boom! you're there. In JB, you have to click the app, and then click again to open the app. One might say, why don't you select "Always" such that you never see that prompt... well... my reason is the next point:
I like choosing! I like being able to open a link in Firefox over Chrome if the webpage im going to happens to work better in one over the other. Also, flash is the worst possible experience you can have in CM10 for the Touchpad. Browsers all handle embedded videos differently, and you will find yourself fighting with your tablet to get a simple video running, even if it's an embedded YouTube. It sometimes isn't straight forward to launch the video in the native YouTube application.
Well, if you guys have any questions for me, feel free to ask, as I have two Touchpads (gf uses the CM9 one), and have been using CM9 and CM10 consecutively. I wish to thank all devs in making the Android on the Touchpad a challenging and fun experience! If you only have a Touchpad as your main reason for coming to XDA, be thankful, as some devices aren't as clear cut as the community here in the Touchpad section. (The Wildfire S device I have is a complete nightmare)
Cheers for now!
Edit: With jelly bean 4.2.2 (CM10.1), Google seemed to fix the above-mentioned gripe with choosing the appropriate app to open the item. CM10.1 is fantastic, and certainly worth the upgrade. Most 10.1 ROMs work fine, minus the fact that Bluetooth does not work at all. If you rely on Bluetooth connections with your Touchpad, wait until this issue is fixed, before diving into 4.2.2.
I've been using CM9 as my daily driver for a while now. I've tried CM10 ROMs but always end up going back to CM9 as it just seems more stable. I don't really see any reasons for me to upgrade to JB at the moment. I appreciate the work devs are doing to port CM10 to the Touchpad.
Mmm,
1. Which picture is CM10!
2. Man, I looked for battery life, before installing jscullins...
3. It will be great if u did a video, to see the smoothness of both
Thanks
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1. Which picture is CM10!
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Left CM10, Right CM9
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Labeled in the OP.
1. ok, coz i get 5637 under jscullins's rom, near galaxy 2
2. My TP is overcloacked.
Mine is too, at 1.7Ghz. Please explain how yours is at such a higher score.
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Definitely appreciate the Devs for trying to port CM10 to H-pads. Hope they continue to get it fully worked out.
I've tried all the CM10 roms, but end up going back to CM9 mainly for stability.
Keep up the great works!
BuffMcBigHuge, since you have 2 Pads, what do you think about battery life on CM9?
Maybe you didn't install all patches for CM10, or your background services hindered the test.
i only see 1 picture
oops nevermind. i didn't notice the scroll bar under the text
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BuffMcBigHuge, since you have 2 Pads, what do you think about battery life on CM9?
Maybe you didn't install all patches for CM10, or your background services hindered the test.
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Cm10 battery is fantastic. Ill post CM9 tomorrow. however not entirely sure why my wifi randomly turned on while the screen was off.
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I've had both the Targus case and an iPad 1 case just like you, and always seem to come back to the official HP case. I like how slim it is compared to the others.
BTW, Nice work comparing ICS and JB.
Flash support in ICS means I always come back to it, not having it in JB really is a downside. I've been wondering what features JB really offers as an advantage over ICS other than maybe a bit more of a polished look. Anyone?
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BuffMcBigHuge, nice to hear it,
2. Sure CM9 is stable, but you don't get the butter
3. Jscullins has some hick-ups but fine with it, since i'm just for reading on it
3. galaxy s2 LTE uses the snapdragon 3 version, the score is near the Tab10 too
4. I wish for a final CM10.
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I've had both the Targus case and an iPad 1 case just like you, and always seem to come back to the official HP case. I like how slim it is compared to the others.
BTW, Nice work comparing ICS and JB.
Flash support in ICS means I always come back to it, not having it in JB really is a downside. I've been wondering what features JB really offers as an advantage over ICS other than maybe a bit more of a polished look. Anyone?
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You can get Flash on JB through the Adobe site link below, though I'm curious what you need it for, don't have it on my phone and have never needed it for anything.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4675670
My wife likes to watch video recipes on marthastewart.com, (lol) which as you can guess still requires flash. The performance in CM10 is so poor that it is nearly impossible to get to the video after all the advertisements. Leaves me wondering why it works 100% on my phone, with the same chip set.
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My wife likes to watch video recipes on marthastewart.com, (lol) which as you can guess still requires flash. The performance in CM10 is so poor that it is nearly impossible to get to the video after all the advertisements. Leaves me wondering why it works 100% on my phone, with the same chip set.
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Yes, flash is horrible on CM10. The flash area flickers (was going to say flashes, but that would sound wierd lol), and there are heavy graphical artifacts and bugs that tend to show stretching and skewing of the screen.
When HMTL5 takes over several flash videos, the experience isn't any better. For your wife, I would suggest backing up your apps with Titanium Backup, and then flashing CM9. My gf's touchpad uses CM9, and she hates using mine due to the issues with flash.
CM9 battery life. Not many stats due to the battery profile not running on CM9. Here, standby of 13 hours and slight usage caused a 15% battery drop, which is not bad at all.
thanks for the information
Thanks for all the info. I will stick with CM 9 for now and wait for CM10 to be more stable.
i got 4265 on my cm10 touchpad, not overclocked.
I have the jscullins's cm10 rom. It seems pretty stable. Chrome does not function very well but I just use another browser. I just like the layout with cm10 better.
I am running Schizoid's CM10 AIO and it's running pretty well, some applications have issues, but apparently recent updates have fixed them. Probably means I should update soon. Either way it's starting to feel like it's getting closer to a daily driver.