I have a Lumia 800 on T-Mobile and I'm aware of it only getting 2G, which is fine since I have WiFi everywhere I go. The problem is, at my house I get ABOSOLUTELY no signal. Like, it drops and I have to go outside to get my signal, then it drops when I come in again. I would hate to have to change phones, I fell in love with this little guy. Is there any way to flash a radio thats compatible with T-Mobiles 3G (4G would be nice too, but at the moment I'm just looking to get a signal) bands?
Radio software version: 1.6.00.24
Radio hardware version: 8255
Bootloader: 7.35.0.0
Firmware revision number: 1600.2487.8107.12070
You should post this in the Lumia 800 Q&A forums not here. Not only is this forum not a Q&A this isn't for device specific posts.
give him a break, he has done under 18 posts, let the mod handle this...
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This is the WP7 development section, its not for questions, let alone a device specific one. Please post in the correct forum.
Sorry everyone, I just figured since it had to do with flashing radios I should probably post in the dev section
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So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
ajk1116 said:
So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
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There are several threads on this topic already...Here's one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
ajk1116 said:
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
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I have the UK version of the phone as well and I have the same issue. I have selected the right bands for both UMTS and GSM but all I get is EDGE. The reason for this is either a hardware limitation (no radio antenna to support 850/1900 UMTS bands (let's hope not) or the factory installed radio firmware does not include those bands or all those da#@ iPhone 3G users are hogging all the UMTS bandwidth . Hopefully all we need is to flash a new radio or ROM to unlock these bands. Just because you can select this band in phone settings does not mean the radio or hardware support it.
I guess I am crossing my fingers along with you . Thanks!
See my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418000
Even though this is for T-Mobile im sure if tmo gets unlocked att will to. Watch that and post there if someone cracks it they will post on that thread.
I have a question for the guys only getting EDGE when they have the correct bands set.......do you have a 3G enabled SIM card? (aka a USIM, some networks require you use one for the 3G to be utilised correctly).
Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
mrvanx said:
So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
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I have a 3G enabled SIM, been using it with the Kaiser for the past year with good 3G reception. I now have the HTC branded Raph (UK version) with no 3G reception, only EDGE. Here's the info on my ROM/Radio:
ROM: 1.90.405.1 WWE (8/1/08)
Build: 19965.1.2.3
Radio: 1.02.25.19
OK so it seems the only radios actually in these Raphaels at the moment are all 1.02.25.19, once we have a decent way to flash a different radio stack to it we can see if it makes any difference both in the bands available and some of the reception issues we are seeing so far.
I'm not an expert in this area at all, far from it, but but was reading Black's post about his AT&T model and he has 1.01.25.16. Is this what you're going to flash it to once the HardSPL is completed given that you know his radio supports AT&T 3G?
I'm trying to keep up...
Has anybody heard an ETA for Hardspl? I know they where testing it. But any rumors on a timeframe?
My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
shaunco said:
My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
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Because they couldn't get it working well enough in time for the release date, I guess. Similar to what appears to have been the case with the Diamond. The US isn't their main concern at the moment, so delaying a US-compatible version for now in or der to get it to the rest of the world on time.
Either that or it's deliberate act to slow down the grey imports until they do a proper US release in hand with the local carriers.
If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
On the other hand, I'm sure HTC is very interested in getting in on T-mo 3G (1700/2100). By downplaying 1900 (which is being eaten up by the iPhone, anyway), HTC can gear up for the fresh 1700/2100 band. Paired with Android, HTC could potentially gain a big chunk of US 3G networks.
I'm a touch pro user in Canada on the Rogers network. I too hope that HTC releases a radio that allows 3g network access. I don't think its a hardware limitation because it wouldn't really make sense to make two versions of the same phone just to disable parts of the radio.
I disagree with the statement that AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about the Touch Pro. The fact is that the target audience for the two phones are entirely different and that a considerable amount of AT&T corporate customers still require their employees to use PPC based phones (even if the iPhone 3G supports email push).
Corporate standards don't usually move as quickly as they should, so of course AT&T is interested in extracting more money from customers that purchased a Tilt over the past 8 months and want to upgrade, but are not allowed to use an iPhone.
If HTC removed support because they were unable to get the software functioning properly, I can live with that. EDGE for a few months while HTC readies a new radio software package is fine... EDGE while HTC readies new hardware is not.
fhsieh said:
If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
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If AT&T weren't interesting in pushing the Touch Pro, HTC wouldn't have went to the trouble and expense of making a specific hardware revision (PTT button) for them. That's not something HTC are gonna do just for the hell of it on a quiet Sunday afternoon.
Maybe I didn't read the thread well enough but did you try and flash the AT&T ROM that was posted? Maybe that might work!
Hi, i am newbie yet, but by what i read, RADIO is responsible by the communication, with GPRS, with 3g too for exemple.
My HTC TPT7272 works on dual-band trough the HSPA/WCDMA, only on 900 and 2100 MHz...
But here on my region, my provider provides the access for 3G only on 850/1900 MHz, so, i have to use EDGE to connect to the internet, but my HTC support 3G...
Does anybody know, if I can upgrade my radio, or if is possible to change the work band for 3G by the radio for provide my access to the 3G?
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Henrique
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I hope that would be the case, but I have yet to see it work for the many months on this forum. There are strong evidence that this is a hardware limitation on the Raphael. Unless you have a FUZE (AT&T version of Raphael), you are out of luck for 850/1900 HSUPA until someone comes forth with the software for us to try.
but so, u see some possibility?
if anybody knows, please contact me, i would love to use my HSUPA, crap of provider, could provide full signal..
if some version of raphael works on this band, could i install his radio? i really wants to navigate on 3G signal...
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Fuze/AT&T(HTC RAPHAEL 101)
Cellular;Phone
Cellular-Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular+Data+Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
FUZE WORKS ON IT, on 850, anybody know if I install his radio will work??
The official specs on HTC's website doesn't inlude 850/1900 as part of the HSPA (3G) connection, only for EDGE.
I have tried many of the radios here and none gives me 3G connection for my carrier, which is on 850 band for HSDPA.
I have tried 1.02.25.19
and then 1.02.25.28
and then 1.02.25.32
and then 1.08.25.20M1
and now 1.11.25.01
but I haven't tried any radios for the other phones since my TP is not security/CID unlock. You can try all the raphael radios, then consider getting CID unlock to try the other radios if you wish.
I have been on this forum for a few months and yet to read anyone successful in getting a TP working on 850. If you do succeed, please share this knowledge for I am sure there are still ppl out there wanting the same thing as you do as well. Myself being one of them.
I wish you success in this endeavor.
man, i am iniciant, i took my HTC TP in around 1 mounth, and one point that almost conviced me not to buy this pda was the 3g band.. i wait this more than you, lets wait if anyvody with much experience can post one help for us
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Henrique
follow these threads and you will have your answer.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451484
they haven't updated recently, which means there is no more 'news' on it.
you can try searching for 3G in the elite RC3 thread up in the sticky section.
they still don't have a solution either.
you can keep waiting.
My captivate recently took a dump. Shuts off when connected via usb. I found a vibrant on craigslist for $125.00
I was wondering if i can unlock it to run on AT&T
if someone can post some tutorial links id really appreciate it. I have to go pick up the vibrant in a couple hours so i need to know asap.
I have a Vibrant working on AT&T. The only drawback is that your data (if you get data) will fluctuate depending on where you're going. On one block, I get 4g and on another I'd get edge. This is because the Vibrant has 900/1900/2100 bands and AT&T uses 850/1900 MHz bands. Because the Vibrant only has 1 of the bands, your data connection is prone to fluctuate.
Concerning your question, all you need to do is Root the Vibrant and you will have a working Vibrant on AT&T. If in any case you wanted to load a custom ROM or Kernel, you can find that in the other sections. Hope this helps.
is your new vibrant on 2.2 or 2.1 update-1
rooting the vibrant is very easy bud. if you get confused pm or leave a comment in here. unlocking the vibrant is very easy as well if you search you will find the galaxy s_unlock apk
is there a way to lock the baseband to be 1900 ? theres an app for the moto defy
I have never looked for it but I know that the vibrant only has the 900/1900/2100 and uses the 1900 one for data. It seems that most of ATT's towers are 1900 and I assume the phone knows to use the 1900 one.
... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
Edit: Phone is an unlocked AT&T version on O2 UK with O2 sim.
Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
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Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
tehrules said:
But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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Thing is, its an unlocked AT&T phone on O2, and I want to take advantage of their new "Superfast 3G 900" network..
Maybe I should have made clear in the first post... woops.
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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live4nyy said:
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
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I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
tehrules said:
Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
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I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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SIM Lock and Radio locks are two completely different things. SIM locks are easy to break with a £10 note and a guy with some device, a radio lock is more difficult we dunno if its hardware or software.
Has anyone got an international/uk/europe Atrix that they'd kindly tear to pieces to see if its the same cellular modem?
I bought an HTC Aria from Seattle/USA. It's ROM was changed by at&t so I wasn't able to do almost anyhting. I even couldn't use 3G. Then I found a way to root my Aria. I rooted it but still no 3G. Is there a way that I can enable my 3G. Is it about software or hardware? I live in Turkey by the way. Can anyone please help me
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I bought an HTC Aria from Seattle/USA. It's ROM was changed by at&t so I wasn't able to do almost anyhting. I even couldn't use 3G. Then I found a way to root my Aria. I rooted it but still no 3G. Is there a way that I can enable my 3G. Is it about software or hardware? I live in Turkey by the way. Can anyone please help me
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A North American Aria radio uses GSM 850/1900 for the 3G frequencies which isn't compatible with the rest of the world. The radio is hardware, thus there is no software solution available to modify a NA Aria to use the GSM 900/2100 frequencies for 3G, so you will never be able to get 3G except in the North/South America
tpbklake said:
A North American Aria radio uses GSM 850/1900 for the 3G frequencies which isn't compatible with the rest of the world. The radio is hardware, thus there is no software solution available to modify a NA Aria to use the GSM 900/2100 frequencies for 3G, so you will never be able to get 3G except in the North/South America
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Thanks for the reply. I've got a couple questions:
1) Can I change the radio, is there a simple way?
2) What if I had bought my Aria from a non at&t shop. Would it still have the same problem?
grumm said:
Thanks for the reply. I've got a couple questions:
1) Can I change the radio, is there a simple way?
2) What if I had bought my Aria from a non at&t shop. Would it still have the same problem?
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The radio hardware can't be changed.
There are different versions of the Aria around the world. The one you need has the model number A6380 and is named "HTC Gratia" in most countries where it is sold (but some regions still call it "HTC Aria").
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