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Okay, so I've been with android since the G1, I've had a G2, and now I have the Amaze 4G, and with each new phone I've become more and more of a flashaholic. So I'm mostly familiar with the processes to root and flash android devices.
My issue is that I'm not familiar enough with what I'm actually doing to know whether or not I should go ahead and root my Amaze.
I've read through the discussions trying to make heads or tails of what the consequences are for doing it now instead of waiting, bit I'm not having much luck.
So, question: What exactly would I be giving up by rooting now vs waiting? I know it voids the warranty with htc, but does that also cause issues with my insurance plan from T-Mobile if I were to need a replacement? Will rooting now remove any chances of obtaining full s- off in the future?
Thanks for the help. I'm pretty sure this is my first post (lurker here) so if I'm in the wrong place or something, go easy on me. Haha.
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with s-off. I know it may take a while but will be worth it.
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
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Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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xboarder,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but, if someone uses the htcdev unlock but then in the future, a locked bootloader is needed for a S-OFF exploit, can't we use the RUU you posted in the dev forum to re-lock it?
I mean, it won't reset the warranty, but shouldn't it re-lock the bootloader?
Spovik said:
Woah wait. Everything I have seen seemed to say if you took the HTC DEV root method that you couldn't get S-OFF.
If I can do HTC Dev AND still get S-OFF, I'm sold....
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That was what I gathered as well. From reading all the posts I could find on it, everyone was saying something about S-Off and "Everything S-Off" were different things. Something about S-Off from the HTC unlocker only allows you to change roms and not kernels or radios or something. One guy (I can't find the post unfortunately) said that if you unlock it with the HTC tool, you will never be able to unlock it the rest of the way (everything s-off) so that you can customize the rest of the things. Then again though, I've seen others saying the opposite. Let me know if I'm not making sense. I can try to find the posts where I read this.
I'm not taking any chances.. I'll wait for s-off then root this bad boy.. so far I haven't had any problems with the stock Rom..
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You can relock I just figured this out a ruu can't be flashed unless you have a locked boot loader how you relock hmm
The relock zip I have so you can still get s off when it comes
And ps to the end users why you need s off any ways?
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Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
xboarder56 said:
you will be waiting a good few months because we have to find a whole new exploite and you can still get s-off while htc unlocked
and yes you can get a insurance replacement if you have to just say its lost/stolen
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Im not quite sure thats how it works, man, because if you officially void your warranty, Tmo and Assurion will know about that, make sure... i mean these are big companies that leave nothing to chance (especially insurance companies), so its a common sense to think that when it comes to the most expensive Tmo android smartphone right now, htc has a way of warning them about warranty voids! So even if you call saying youve lost it or got stolen, assurion may decline your request based on that... I wouldnt take the risk and will patiently wait till another way of unlocking the bootloader comes out, not involving htc... hopefully... you just keep up the great work, man, cheers!
Edit: Just found asurions insurance form, where under Exclusions says:
This insurance does not apply to loss or damage caused by or resulting from any of the following:
............
i. Programming, Repair Work
Programming, cleaning, adjusting, repairing, modifying, or performing any other work upon Covered Property.
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http://www.phoneclaim.com/documents/MetroPCS/Terms-And-Conditions-New-York.pdf
Hope that sheds more light on this issue
My understanding, and maybe I'm being ubernoob, was that you needed to have S-OFF to COMPLETELY get rid of Sense. Beastmod comes close to the AOSP I want, but it still has the sense dialer and I hate it. (Unless I am misunderstanding and the sense dialer was included as a matter of preference, rather than necessity.)
Ideally, I'd like to be able to load Cyanogen if it ever becomes available but right now it's not that big of a deal. ICS would be nice, but that's so far down the line I'm not too concerned.
If I can get rid of ALL sense (maybe keep the camera apk), and have a stock, unmodified AOSP with no bloat, I'll be happy, but I don't want to jump on that if it screws my ability to flash CM.
U can still flash cm7 trust me and beastmod I tried a lot to get Sodom dialer but no able to would have to re do full framework but no source hard to redo framework
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Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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TheSneakerWhore said:
Having been with android since the G1, the developers will kick ass and make anything possible.
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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I wonder what ever happened to superstars like JesusFreke and Haykuro?
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They are around...just not like the old days. Still deving here and there.
\Fauk, I miss my G1.
\\Still have it, not so working anymore
Binary100100 said:
Well I'm enjoying root personally.
IF I can't get full S-OFF because I unlocked the bootloader then that's what my insurance (not warranty) will be used for.
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Good call - duh, why didn't I think of that? lol
I unlocked and rooted pretty much AS SOON as the threads were posted but then I read you would not be able to S-off. Kinda started sweating bullets because I know just being bootloader unlocked can limit how much you can modify/flash.
But "losing" my phone is doable lol if/when S-off is achieved and the htc dev unlock screwed us
So to answer the op's question - i LOVE my rooted Amaze. The two ROMs available by xboarder are awesome alternatives to stock and since you say you've had root before then you know all the cool things that come with the territory (removing bloat/crapware, root capable apps, etc)
Just do it already
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wow lol even in this thread I'm confused.
1. Is S-off method that is out now reversable?
2. Are current methods enough to have a full AOSP ICS rom?
The previous poster indicated sense remains in one way or the other with current method.
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, so mobilicity users won't have to s off and things. They should be able to just root and flash that rom in recovery. Devs, can you make one please? A good one, with beats audio
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Shivammcool said:
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, so mobilicity users won't have to s off and things. They should be able to just root and flash that rom in recovery. Devs, can you make one please? A good one, with beats audio
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Why are you so lazy? The devs work hard on here to develop roms, not to mention the developer of juopnobear had to take his time to discover the hack for s-off. Why can't you take the hour or so needed to obtain s-off? These people develop for me and you for free. Be a little grateful, child. After all, you've likely already thanked your parents for this phone that they bought you. And if they were to develop a Rom, don't be so picky you spoiled child. "a good one with beats".
Trewyy
Just S-Off and SuperCID, you probably won't be seeing Mobilicity ROMs in the future. The whole process actually takes 5-10 minutes, and it's not that difficult to nail it on the first couple of tries...
You don't need s-off to use custom roms, so all of you need to calm down and op you need do some more reading.
sent from a galaxy you'll never see.
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You don't need s-off to use custom roms, so all of you need to calm down and op you need do some more reading.
sent from a galaxy you'll never see.
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No, but if they need supercid to use any carrier's rom, they do need s-off for that. If he has a mobilicity phone, he needs s-off.
To the OP, s-off isn't hard, and everything you could ever want to know is in the bible in my signature. S-off is just a matter of time, and I think I remember seeing that hasoon added it to his all in one tool, which may be even easier. Try to do it, and if you have issues I am sure someone here is more than willing to help. As an alternative, you could build your own roms and offer them to the community, we actually already have resources that give a good place to get started. Or, if you just want specific features, research them and add them yourself- beats is one you can easily flash, the mod was recently updated.
Trewyy - I think I have seen more than one post by you that was just plain rude.. we can all get frustrated at other users, but we don't have to go as far as to throw insults calling people lazy and children. The amaze forums have mostly become a place where people give positive and productive feedback, there is no reason you can't help keep up the trend.
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No, but if they need supercid to use any carrier's rom, they do need s-off for that. If he has a mobilicity phone, he needs s-off.
To the OP, s-off isn't hard, and everything you could ever want to know is in the bible in my signature. S-off is just a matter of time, and I think I remember seeing that hasoon added it to his all in one tool, which may be even easier. Try to do it, and if you have issues I am sure someone here is more than willing to help. As an alternative, you could build your own roms and offer them to the community, we actually already have resources that give a good place to get started. Or, if you just want specific features, research them and add them yourself- beats is one you can easily flash, the mod was recently updated.
Trewyy - I think I have seen more than one post by you that was just plain rude.. we can all get frustrated at other users, but we don't have to go as far as to throw insults calling people lazy and children. The amaze forums have mostly become a place where people give positive and productive feedback, there is no reason you can't help keep up the trend.
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You do realise you can flash a custom rom via recovery whether you're super-cid or not right? S-Off isn't hard, but not every one has that little courage they need to do it, custom roms don't require super-cid, only if you wanna switch to another carrier's complete stock rom then you'll need to super-cid and I'm talking via a ruu/ota/exe image file.
And I second the last part of your comment.
Isn't it possible to add custom CIDs on the ROMs you install? I forgot where you would add/change it. In the build.prop maybe?
Something just keeps telling me it's AndroidInfo.txt or something, but I can't find that in many ROMs.
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Isn't it possible to add custom CIDs on the ROMs you install? I forgot where you would add/change it. In the build.prop maybe?
Something just keeps telling me it's AndroidInfo.txt or something, but I can't find that in many ROMs.
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It's in the build.prop but that's not the only place the CID is stored, it's also stored in the bootloader/hboot file, that you can't change the way you would a build.prop file unless s-off but in the case of custom roms, it doesn't matter, only system files and kernels are being changed, not the entire system, therefore the verification of CID isn't checked or needed.
Shivammcool said:
I keep seeing all these T-Mobile roms and I am wondering when well see a Mobilicity rom, ....
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I'm on Mobilicity and I haven't used any specific roms for them. I'd root and unlock though.
Have you applied any ROMs prior? Be happy to help you along if not.
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Hey guys. I'm excited to be receiving my new Rezound tomorrow. I'd like some advice so I can jump right in!
1) Do I need to flash any leaks or RUUs when I first get it?
2) Is there a guide to unlock and flash ROMS? I did a look and didn't see anything. (Maybe it's not stickied?)
3) I would like some advice on which ROM to flash? Back when I had my old rezound I really like Cleanrom and Business Sense. I see a lot of activity over Viper and Simplicity.
check the dev section, the sticky that says sticky roll up. All the sticky's are in there.
s-off it，then enjoy flashing
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Any recommendations on which ROM? I know it's subjective but I'd like to hear what thoughts on which are good picks nowadays.
Edit: Btw, is it okay if I keep it S-On. Getting a wire to do stuff sounds like too much work and I'm not sure it's worth the effort...I'm staying at a friend's so it's not very convenient...
If you are going to NOT S-Off then read everything carefully. Without being S-off, once you do an upgrade you can not go back. Not being s-off just makes everything more difficult. Take the 10 minutes and do it, it is well worth it.
As for Roms, if the new Rezound comes with GB you are limited and will need to do a firmware patch. If your new Rom comes with and I doubt it the new Global update, you can go with most new Roms. I always recommend to first get your feet wet with a CleamRom, it has not been updated in a while but is always rock solid. Also read each of the Rom info carefully as well, some are now only being made for S-off only.
Take the OTA update and use your phone stock for awhile to make sure there are no issues with it. After that use hansoons tool to unlock, root, and flash a custom recovery
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link to guides
this is in the sticky from the dev section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1425091
FWIW on the ROM front, I recently moved from cleanrom 4.5 (which is no longer being updated) to ICS cubed and am very happy with the results
So I had my iPhone 4S (Jailbroken of course) for about a year and i got bored with it. Once my upgrade came I decided to give Android a try.
I need to know everrrrrryyyy thing about the Android. (not literally)
I think im rooted already, here are some screen shots to see what I am working with. (Got the phone 2 days ago)
I also am not sure if I am flashing the ROM's correctly, in my about it says i have Stock with Goodies ROM (downloaded here) but some of the features are missing, like landscape rosie and the power down options for recovery.
I also have no freaking clue what S-OFF and S-ON is so could someone explain that to me,
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I also see alot of mods being implmented by txt editors codes n such, replacement of codes. Can I get a brief on that as well?
I really need gudiance, I did everything on my own and im not sure if I did any of it correctly. Ive been reading that MeanROM ICS is popular I had it but I switched to stock goodies.
My task list is as follows,
Install Stock ROM,
LazyPanda S-OFF,
ROOT,
Remove Tampered,
Install MeanROM ICS
How Do I acomplish this ^ in the correct order, from where im standing in my screenshots but note in the bootloader screenshot mine is UNLOCKED not locked
Here is a good introductory tutorial on the evo lte and android in general (thank om4):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869377
It looks like your bootloader was unlocked at one point and then relocked. The good news is you have the right hboot version for s-off (1.12) so you should do that first. You'll need to do it with a ROM that's a 1.12 or 1.13 base though (not sure what base stock w/ goodies 2.16 is), so if that's not what you're currently running you'll need to unlock the bootloader first and flash one (like Fresh 5.1.1). S-off will give you full access to the phone's internal memory and allow you to flash anything, whereas only unlocking the bootloader and remaining s-on has some limitations. Read the first couple of posts in this thread to learn how:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737123
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Boatiy said:
So I had my iPhone 4S (Jailbroken of course) for about a year and i got bored with it. Once my upgrade came I decided to give Android a try.
I need to know everrrrrryyyy thing about the Android. (not literally)
I think im rooted already, here are some screen shots to see what I am working with. (Got the phone 2 days ago)
I also am not sure if I am flashing the ROM's correctly, in my about it says i have Stock with Goodies ROM (downloaded here) but some of the features are missing, like landscape rosie and the power down options for recovery.
I also have no freaking clue what S-OFF and S-ON is so could someone explain that to me,
And
I also see alot of mods being implmented by txt editors codes n such, replacement of codes. Can I get a brief on that as well?
I really need gudiance, I did everything on my own and im not sure if I did any of it correctly. Ive been reading that MeanROM ICS is popular I had it but I switched to stock goodies.
My task list is as follows,
Install Stock ROM,
LazyPanda S-OFF,
ROOT,
Remove Tampered,
Install MeanROM ICS
How Do I acomplish this ^ in the correct order, from where im standing in my screenshots?
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what ever u do do NOT accept any updates OTA's from sprint!! u are good..u have hboot 1.12 thats a good thing! :good: where did u get the phone?? brand new?? hey check your pm.. i love seeing people come to android!! so much better than a boring iphone
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evo401 said:
what ever u do do NOT accept any updates OTA's from sprint!! u are good..u have hboot 1.12 thats a good thing! :good: where did u get the phone?? brand new?? hey check your pm.. i love seeing people come to android!! so much better than a boring iphone
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Thanks for all the help on google talk,
got my phone running perfect I think so far.
Boatiy said:
Thanks for all the help on google talk,
got my phone running perfect I think so far.
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no doubt! u should be good.. got u to flash fresh 5.1.1.. ran lazy panda s-off.. then flashed the bootloader custimizer.. then flashed newest radio and firmwear zip in bootloader.. backed up current rom.. then flashed mean rom 5.5!!! golden!!! :good: told u i gots u bro! love seein people come over to android.. android is where its at manG! got any problems just holla at me
Welcome to Androidland my friend...enjoy!
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Good choice for your move to android! Welcome to the land of freedom.
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heliguide62 said:
Welcome to Androidland my friend...enjoy!
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Cavagan said:
Good choice for your move to android! Welcome to the land of freedom.
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Im upset to admit that ive been brainwashed by apple, and the Jail breaking community
At least you are honest about it. It is pretty sad to me, the love affair America has with Apple.
mobius1484 said:
At least you are honest about it. It is pretty sad to me, the love affair America has with Apple.
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I agree. I went as far as starting a new line on my account and letting my roommate get a GS3 with it. He was such an IPhone lover to the max.
I rooted his Sammy (technically mine) and showed him how to flash ROMs, nandroid (backup up ROMs, for Op) and install themes, put apps in system, ect, and everything else you can do with an android. He loves that he made the switch and can't believe how much he was missing. He sends me new threads and gets so excited to show me his latest mods, ROMs, tweaks, ect.
Welcome to the world of android my friend. Love when I see someone who actually had an open mind and decided to try android. There's so much your gonna love and so much you can do with android.
You came to the right place with your questions and it looks like your questions have been answered already. You'll find we are a very close knit supportive community and just about anyone will help you with anything.
My biggest advice would be to read read read. That's what I did when I first started rooting phones years ago. (Cm7 on my cliq xt was my first modded phone ) and lastly before you post questions in development threads, do a quick search. Most questions are usually already answered and solutions are provided
Welcome to the community!! You can personally pm me with anything you need help with. Would be glad to help
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Yeaaa
Ladicx said:
I agree. I went as far as starting a new line on my account and letting my roommate get a GS3 with it. He was such an IPhone lover to the max.
I rooted his Sammy (technically mine) and showed him how to flash ROMs, nandroid (backup up ROMs, for Op) and install themes, put apps in system, ect, and everything else you can do with an android. He loves that he made the switch and can't believe how much he was missing. He sends me new threads and gets so excited to show me his latest mods, ROMs, tweaks, ect.
Welcome to the world of android my friend. Love when I see someone who actually had an open mind and decided to try android. There's so much your gonna love and so much you can do with android.
You came to the right place with your questions and it looks like your questions have been answered already. You'll find we are a very close knit supportive community and just about anyone will help you with anything.
My biggest advice would be to read read read. That's what I did when I first started rooting phones years ago. (Cm7 on my cliq xt was my first modded phone ) and lastly before you post questions in development threads, do a quick search. Most questions are usually already answered and solutions are provided
Welcome to the community!! You can personally pm me with anything you need help with. Would be glad to help
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exactly,
heres the thing; for the year i had the iphone i hated on android n talked ****, without even ever using an android for more than 10 minutes. pretty redundant because you cant judge a book by its cover.
thinking that over i said hmm lets give android a try, so far im not disappointed.
Welcome to android world boaty.. :thumbup:
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Another defector! Welcome aboard.
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I can't stand Apple, not only their stuff, but the Corporate bully that is Apple, only 500 billion in the bank for a rainy day, must be nice.
Android rules, but the best part of it is the support you find here. If you would like some color on your phone, I have 3 themes on evo 4g lte forum under the themes/apps section, I bet you can't do that with a rotton apple lol
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
Alidaco said:
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
CharliesTheMan said:
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
nitsuj17 said:
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
QD2DC said:
Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.