I'm not new to android customization so i know what unlocking the bootloader entails, but my question is, is it worth it? There doesn't seem to be that much development going on for the TF201. My main issue with the Prime is that it seems a bit sluggish and unstable at times, which seems to imply a software issue rather than a hardware issue. If i unlock and flash a custom rom and kernel, would i see significant improvement in speeds or stability. I don't want to void warranty if i don't get a tangible benefit from it.
sputnik767 said:
I'm not new to android customization so i know what unlocking the bootloader entails, but my question is, is it worth it? There doesn't seem to be that much development going on for the TF201. My main issue with the Prime is that it seems a bit sluggish and unstable at times, which seems to imply a software issue rather than a hardware issue. If i unlock and flash a custom rom and kernel, would i see significant improvement in speeds or stability. I don't want to void warranty if i don't get a tangible benefit from it.
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I unlocked my bootloader because of the unstability and the asus crap. I have now installed on my prime AOKP and motleys kernel (1,6ghz). I think it is worth it, but thats my opinion.
It was worth it to me...I'm currently running Primalicious Odexed Final version and the performance has been way better. Battery life is also way better...wiping cache and dalvik would definitely help with the sluggish performance, but as you know, you'd need CWM or any other custom recovery...hence, unlocking the bootloader is def worth it.
Thank you guys, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Last question before I unlock, is flashing roms and kernels as simple as wiping data and caches through recovery and flashing the .zip file, or is it more involved? I remember reading a thread that talks about .blob files or something like that. I'm just trying to get as much info as I can before I do this, so I don't mess anything up. There doesn't seem to be much information available unfortunately. And I guess everyone is running the latest CWM recovery which is the touch recovery, right? Any problems with that? I know that TWRP 2.0 hard-bricked my Evo and that he CWM Touch recovery has bricked a few Samsung Epic 4G Touch phones when flashing between GB and ICS kernels. But this was likely a Samsung ICS kernel issue that wasn't playing well with the recovery.
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Thank you guys, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Last question before I unlock, is flashing roms and kernels as simple as wiping data and caches through recovery and flashing the .zip file, or is it more involved? I remember reading a thread that talks about .blob files or something like that. I'm just trying to get as much info as I can before I do this, so I don't mess anything up. There doesn't seem to be much information available unfortunately. And I guess everyone is running the latest CWM recovery which is the touch recovery, right? Any problems with that? I know that TWRP 2.0 hard-bricked my Evo and that he CWM Touch recovery has bricked a few Samsung Epic 4G Touch phones when flashing between GB and ICS kernels. But this was likely a Samsung ICS kernel issue that wasn't playing well with the recovery.
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Yes, you can flash roms and kernels just over the recovery (zip).
And there are no problems with the cwm touch recovery, the how to for that and the blob file can you see here. But i would flash the twrp recovery, i use it because it is more comfortable. I dont know about hard bricks because of that.
dom2215 said:
Yes, you can flash roms and kernels just over the recovery (zip).
And there are no problems with the cwm touch recovery, the how to for that and the blob file can you see here. But i would flash the twrp recovery, i use it because it is more comfortable. I dont know about hard bricks because of that.
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Thanks, that's all I need. The TWRP 2.0 issue I had was only related to the HTC Evo and no other device as far as I know. But it did kill my phone and many others, so as you can imagine I'm weary of using it. But don't think that I'm trying to say anything negative about TWRP in general, it was just the Evo that it had issues with.
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Hey guys, nice section you have here. I've been reading all about the Atrix and have a couple of questions to confirm what i'm assuming.
Oh yeah, is the Atrix and Atrix 4G the same? I'm assuming so as i've not seen different specs or sections for it here, just wanted to be 100000% sure as i've never owned an android phone!
If i keep the Bootloader locked, is it impossible for me to hard brick the device? Seeing as though i can't freely flash to a lower firmware? (not including things like upgrading to official firmware and running out of battery etc, that's a sure fire way of bricking
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Just say i'm on 2.3.4 and i'm rooted and unlocked, if i flash CM7, can i reflash something like Alien or MIUI (when or if it gets ported) without ANY chance of a hard brick (AKA does it touch the bootloader and/or does it carry the risks which the flashing of a lower firmware does?)
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Would LauncherPro and other theme programs be available across the wide range of ROMS as long as i'm rooted?
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Thanks for your time guys, i'm busy reading up and watching the few videos on youtube (seriously, hardly anyone makes videos about this phone, what's up with that? ) I do have a cold right about now so will take a rest but i can't sleep knowing that i may soon be getting this phone (if my order for a Samsung Galaxy S (1) is not accepted by Vodafone and their stringent credit checks!)
Thanks again guys, hope to see you around soon!
The phone will be on T-Mobile in the UK. Hopefully!
First and last bump! I was wondering if installing LauncherPro would have any negative effects on the speed of the phone? It's dual core and has 1gb ram so i'm thinking the new launcher would not cause any lag but has anyone tried this and found out that it does indeed lag?
No not impossible, i would think it would be easier to brick with a locked bl.
Yes you can reflash, and no you won't get the "lower fw brick".
Yes you can use other launchers, always.
Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thats right, the unlocked bootloader is the best way to go if you plan on flashing because of custom recovery.
Yes most likely its about the same process BUT, most if not all ROMs will have instructions on how to flash - make sure you read and follow them dont just "do what you did last time".
Prob the easiest way to swap between ROMs easily is to keep nandroid backups for them through cwm.
As far as it being easier to flash the next ROM because you can "keep things from the last flash".. NO you dont want to keep anything between flashing, meaning you should most likley always wipe data, cache & such unless otherwise specified (sometimes upgrading ROMs from one version to the next you can use a "no wipe" upgrade).
Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Nandroid backup is a backup through CWM, it is not a seperate app. As far as having to install CWM each time.. No you wont have to, the recovery stays but it should be updated when available, unless stated otherwise. Rom Manager will install the latest version of CWM for you. Doing a backup in CWM is known as a Nandroid backup.
Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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I dont know of any risks to Nandroid backup, only benefits. I have returned to a Nandroid backup on my Captivate but not on the Atrix, i have created a Nandroid backup on (stock) Atrix and recommend do the same jic. I believe you can return to that stock back up (after flashing) if needed but first check out the section on fruitcakes, there is more info along these lines in that thread.
Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Dont worry it makes more and more sense as you learn and play with it. Your assumption of fruitcakes is my understanding as well. I agree that nandroid backup/restore seams a slightly easier method than fruitcakes, but thought I would include the fruitcake methods for you seeing as how you were concerned of a risk with nand, plus the more reading the better. Also NandBacks do take up a good amount of storage space, but are worth it jic. As long as you read you should be just fine, reading here on xda is the best thing you can do to keep from screwing something up. Good luck.
Thank you mate, i really appreciate your time! If i wasn't so ill, i'd be understanding more i think, but i have to look away every few seconds or else my eyes will explode haha, i guess i'm not getting the Galaxy S anymore, i hope i don't regret it! And with the method of hiding the unlocked bootloader, i'm hoping IF anything bad happens, then i still have a chance of tricking the tricksters who gave us these locked down phones in the first place! Android was supposed to be free and open I'm just glad at the thought of getting rid of my iPhone 3g + iTunes + Quicktime.
Also, in your opinion, is ADW EX better than Launcher Pro?
Well I caught a break with the Rezound deal, I'm free from evil Motorola ~ droid X2
Is this a proper Rezound understanding?
1) The process is: htcdev-[unlock bootloader]
2) Use a perm root "application"
3) Install 1 of the 2 recovery modes
4) Pick a Rom ~ (do you need to be on a specific stock version first?)
From lots of searching, Cleanrom's ICS developer edition and Bamf (I'm not sure what version of it is better) appear to be the most reasonable choices?
I'm not sure if either of them have the "beats" tweak, or if the Bravia engine is a big improvement. Also, the custom kernels don't work with ICS right now I believe?
Finally, coming from Moto SBF, I don't realize how dangerous romming is with HTC, aka safety net.
I'd GREATLY appreciate any help/comments on the speculations and questions <3
Watercycle said:
Well I caught a break with the Rezound deal, I'm free from evil Motorola ~ droid X2
Is this a proper Rezound understanding?
1) The process is: htcdev-[unlock bootloader]
2) Use a perm root "application"
3) Install 1 of the 2 recovery modes
4) Pick a Rom ~ (do you need to be on a specific stock version first?)
From lots of searching, Cleanrom's ICS developer edition and Bamf (I'm not sure what version of it is better) appear to be the most reasonable choices?
I'm not sure if either of them have the "beats" tweak, or if the Bravia engine is a big improvement. Also, the custom kernels don't work with ICS right now I believe?
Finally, coming from Moto SBF, I don't realize how dangerous romming is with HTC, aka safety net.
I'd GREATLY appreciate any help/comments on the speculations and questions <3
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You don't need to permanent root it. Most (if not all) ROMS include root, and you can install root with Amon ra (DON'T use clockwork mod)
Cleanrom de is great. I use that one. I believe it has the beats Audio, but if it doesn't there is a flash able mod for it (link in my sig). And as far as the Sony bravia engine goes, I didn't notice any real improvement with it.
Custom kernels don't work in ICS for now....
Whatever you do DON'T upgrade to the ICS RUU it screws up most people's phones
And it is not possible to brick an s-on htc phone as far as I know. So romming is 120% safe
I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
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I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
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Well I have worse signal since the update, my wifi constantly dropps out, and my CPU is always running at max clock speed making my phone hot and my battery life crap. Some other people have this issue, so best not to try than to try and have bad results not being able to go back.
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Well I have worse signal since the update, my wifi constantly dropps out, and my CPU is always running at max clock speed making my phone hot and my battery life crap. Some other people have this issue, so best not to try than to try and have bad results not being able to go back.
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radio can only effect phone related issues as low signal/bad reception. the new firmware wont effect wifi. cpu trouble is due to stock kernel of ics. not firmware related. need your facts right. I'm on new firmware with cleanrom de for awhile now with none of your issues since I use the conservative cpu governor and underclock to 1.18ghz. if the firmware would effect anything for me or anyone who upgraded is the low signal,bad reception,slow mobile data rates. that's it. it's hit or miss with phone related connections. just a gambling risk. won't actually cause harm. won't notice a thing if you're close to towers
use the "thanks" if I helped you at all
dyetheskin said:
I disagree about the upgraded firmware. it doesn't necessarily harm anything. for me I get slightly better signal if not equivalent. problem with the newer radios is that you can't revert back to older without s-off. be sure to flash the old firmware patch before flashing the ics rom if u decide not to update. also amon ra 3.15 is the latest stable for ics,it won't give you memory card detection issues
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You need to flash the patch after the rom install if running the old firmware.
1. HTC Dev Unlock
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/
2. Recovery
Install amon ra in fastboot
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23781936&postcount=428
download that from there then get to fastboot and type
fastboot flash recovery "nameofrecovery".img
in the command line in where your fastboot stuff is
3. ROM
Probably don't use the newest unofficial ruu
a.So find a rom you like
b. make sure it will work without the newest ruu (firmware) or will with a patch
c. Flash the rom in recovery
4. KERNEL
depends on the rom either
a. flash the boot.img in fastboot
"fastboot flash boot boot.img"
b. install the PH98IMG.zip in the bootloader
- deleted the ph98img.zip off the sd card after you flash it to avoid later problems
Hope i helped!!
EDIT: heres a rom that is oldish but i know it works on the old firmware without any patch.
ROM : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53731771/ICSSENSELESS403REDEFINED.zip
-it's by Joelz and a senseless pretty good - thanks Joelz
Kernel for that ^ rom http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53731771/PH98IMG-senseless1.7.zip
I think that kernel is over clocked a bit too.
so to recap you would put the rom on your ext sd card and flash in recovery
then rename the ph98img-senselsblahblah.zip to just ph98img.zip
place on ext sd card
then boot into bootloader and accept the update and it will load the kernel for you.
Then reboot and delete the ph98img from your sd with a file explorer
To boot into bootloader is turn off phone then hold volume down and power at the same time untill your in a white screen with some stuff.
Navigate with the volume to go up or down and power to select.
.... thats a lot of info ... again thanks to all the dev's (mandatory to thank the devs at least 1 bajillion times a day, for all the free awesome stuff they do)
Edit numero dos: The safety net for htc phones are the ruu's just stay on the official released ones.
A RUU resets EVERYTHING to stock, it's a .exe that you run on your computer while in fastboot mode on the phone (must re-lock bootloader to run/ "fastboot oem lock")
dyetheskin said:
radio can only effect phone related issues as low signal/bad reception. the new firmware wont effect wifi. cpu trouble is due to stock kernel of ics. not firmware related. need your facts right. I'm on new firmware with cleanrom de for awhile now with none of your issues since I use the conservative cpu governor and underclock to 1.18ghz. if the firmware would effect anything for me or anyone who upgraded is the low signal,bad reception,slow mobile data rates. that's it. it's hit or miss with phone related connections. just a gambling risk. won't actually cause harm. won't notice a thing if you're close to towers
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Just throwing my experience out there so this guy doesn't have the same problems I did. And I'm not the only one who has problems with this firmware. And the CPU frequencies don't scale properly for some users, which is why I get bad battery life even though I have the CPU underclocked to 810mhz. And I'm well aware that it has todo with the kernel but for now we can't do anything about it. Need your facts right
I'm on the new firmware and haven't had any problems, though others have. Most of the current ICS roms now have a patch so you don't have to risk it. There are both GB and ICS kernals available that allow you to overclock, etc. Just make sure you're installing the correct kernal for your version of android. I've flashed most of the roms available right now and have been very happy with Cleanrom and Rezrom.
I recommend CleanRom DE I'd you like senseless. Been running it since the latest of his updates. Runs like a champ, and there are even some themes available.
Sent with a Rezounding HELL YEA!
So I can use a Temp-root and not even bother unlocking the bootloader?
and what about reflashing different roms ontop of a current custom rom?
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So I can use a Temp-root and not even bother unlocking the bootloader?
and what about reflashing different roms ontop of a current custom rom?
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Don't temp root. Definitely use the htc unlock. And what do you mean by flash a rom on top of a custom rom exactly?
can't flash one over the other aka dirty unless it's an update to the same rom. example would be cleanrom 1.2 over 1.1. it's possible but not supported. always best to wipe and install fresh after a backup
Well, as I understand, I should update my phone with system updates, htc unlock, use oneclickroot/zergrush, install amonra recovery, and just flash/follow the steps from cleanrom ~ the all in one seems like it could help, i'll probably try the sequence on there XD
But then what if I wanted to switch over to the Evita one to give it a try?
The "s on/off" thing confuses me to, is that the bootloader?
haha, sorry for the questions, thank you for help =)
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Well, as I understand, I should update my phone with system updates, htc unlock, use oneclickroot/zergrush, install amonra recovery, and just flash/follow the steps from cleanrom ~ the all in one seems like it could help but it never mentions root.
But then what if I wanted to switch over to the Evita one to give it a try?
The "s on/off" thing confuses me to, is that the bootloader?
haha, sorry for the questions, thank you for help =)
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after you unlocked the bootloader with htcdev you go right to a recovery. reboot to bootloader and once it's in fastboot you run the flashing recovery command,reboot to recovery and follow the roms instructions. if were to try another rom you backup what you need then wipe/follow steps for the next rom. reason you skip rooting before an install is because nearly any rom you pick is already rooted
thank you that clears it up =)
one final worry is the RUU (what is it?) and phone version, should I just update everything prior to doing this stuff?
I would go ahead and update through settings before you root. (there's no reason not to really). As to whether or not you flash the leak, that's entirely up to you. I personally notice no difference.
The ruu (ROM update utility?) is a package that contains a complete update. (rom, kernel, etc.)
S-on/s-off refers to the security flag. HTC sets the flag to on which prevents the changing of radios (and splash screens, among other things) and makes other changes more difficult (though still doable, such as kernel changes).
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I got rid of CWM Recovery the other day...Got into a Soft Brick using it...Not sure how it happened ...But got out of it none the least using the 1a Method from here...Loaded up TWRP...I would just like to know if I can flash any Rom using it ...It recomends 4 compatible ones...So Im just wondering if I can flash CM 9 or Virtuous...Or am I lookin at a Brick again if I do so...
Im currently runnin Gummy's which I really like but Im a Flashaholic...at least with my S2...And I know Ill do the same with the Prime...So just checkin ...
BTW never had a problem with CWM on my S2...And I flashed a Ton of Roms...Specifically ICS...
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I got rid of CWM Recovery the other day...Got into a Soft Brick using it...Not sure how it happened ...But got out of it none the least using the 1a Method from here...Loaded up TWRP...I would just like to know if I can flash any Rom using it ...It recomends 4 compatible ones...So Im just wondering if I can flash CM 9 or Virtuous...Or am I lookin at a Brick again if I do so...
Im currently runnin Gummy's which I really like but Im a Flashaholic...at least with my S2...And I know Ill do the same with the Prime...So just checkin ...
BTW never had a problem with CWM on my S2...And I flashed a Ton of Roms...Specifically ICS...
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There's a custom CWM recovery a guy posted that's supposed to have that issue fixed. I haven't tested it to a different problem with writing to my partition that's just due to an issue my prime had from the previous owner borking something. Recoveries are different on every device. I used CWM exclusively on my Thunderbolt, then I got the rezound and CWM wasn't worth having when it first came out officially, I only run Amon RA on there.
I also had the 1a "brick" which really wasn't anything more than a recovery loop. I've been using TWRP and I'm a flashaholic, and with Gummy, EOS, a CM9 build and AOKP plus a bunch of misc zip files I haven't had any problems with it. If you want me to test something let me know, I'm not at all scared to wipe a device as setup doesn't take me long at all
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There's a custom CWM recovery a guy posted that's supposed to have that issue fixed. I haven't tested it to a different problem with writing to my partition that's just due to an issue my prime had from the previous owner borking something. Recoveries are different on every device. I used CWM exclusively on my Thunderbolt, then I got the rezound and CWM wasn't worth having when it first came out officially, I only run Amon RA on there.
I also had the 1a "brick" which really wasn't anything more than a recovery loop. I've been using TWRP and I'm a flashaholic, and with Gummy, EOS, a CM9 build and AOKP plus a bunch of misc zip files I haven't had any problems with it. If you want me to test something let me know, I'm not at all scared to wipe a device as setup doesn't take me long at all
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With the Galaxy s2 that I have I run CWM all the time...On Gingerbread Builds ...never a problem...On strictly ICS builds...never a problem...The problem came from flipping back and forth from GB to ICS...I had 3 soft bricks but got out thru Odin...Now with the newer versions of ICS builds you have to flash a different kernel or Odin it inorder to use CWM...thats to play it safe because there are enuff Hard Bricks that shows a problem...(Sumthin to do with The Framework in the newre ICS Roms)...So Im just careful when I flash...Don't need a Hard Brick...Im gonna stay away from CWM over here...especially the Touch Versions which gave us the first initial problems when flashin with CWM on the XDA Galaxy Forum here...
So Ill be usin TWRP and if its safe to flash the Roms you mention I should be okay...But like you state...every device is different...Ill just try to be careful and keep readin on here and see where the Bricks are cummin from when they occur...Thanx alot for the response...I appreciate it...
Hey all,
I should be upgrading my EVO OG to the new LTE model late next week. But I just wanted to get some of the basic questions out of the way. I'm sure there's already existing threads like this, but the forums can be difficult to search sometimes. So apologies if this stuff has been answered 20 times already.
1. Is root achievable on all known versions of the stock OS?
2. S-off is limited to Hboot x.15 and earlier correct?
3. Since the batter is not removable how do I force the phone off in case of a boot loop or other problem
4. Is the partition mod available for this phone? It was a very useful tool with my old Hero and the EVO OG.
5. What is the preferred recovery?
6. Are there any details that I should know about or fixes I should apply right away?
Thanks for answering these questions guys. Again I apologize if this stuff has been answered before.
1. So long as the hboot can be unlocked the phone can be customized.
2. S-OFF is only available for hboot 1.12 and the is a toolkit being worked on right now for downgrade. It's been achieved and is being refined.
3. Hold power for 10 seconds and phone will reboot.
4. Not familiar with the particular mod you mentioned.
5. Twrp by TeamWin, right now there are a few issues with the latest 2.3 but 2.2 is still available.
6. Only issue is that unlocked phones with HBOOT 1.15 and higher must flash the kernel separately, there are several methods of doing so. Check my thread Don't Panic for all kinds of info
Brian419 said:
Hey all,
I should be upgrading my EVO OG to the new LTE model late next week. But I just wanted to get some of the basic questions out of the way. I'm sure there's already existing threads like this, but the forums can be difficult to search sometimes. So apologies if this stuff has been answered 20 times already.
1. Is root achievable on all known versions of the stock OS?
2. S-off is limited to Hboot x.15 and earlier correct?
3. Since the batter is not removable how do I force the phone off in case of a boot loop or other problem
4. Is the partition mod available for this phone? It was a very useful tool with my old Hero and the EVO OG.
5. What is the preferred recovery?
6. Are there any details that I should know about or fixes I should apply right away?
Thanks for answering these questions guys. Again I apologize if this stuff has been answered before.
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1. Yes u can root
2. S-off for all hboot's is possible now. Making it easier for the non-dev masses is a wip.
3. Boot loops or freezes never happen to me like on og EVO. But to simulate a battery pull hold down power for 10 seconds and wait til capacitive buttons stop blinking to release. To boot into bootloader hold power and volume down.
4. Not sure. Never had a use for it. Will need to check and get back to u.
5. Team Win Recovery Project TWRP. CWM does not agree w EVO LTE. Likes to corrupt misc/partition.
6. The multitasking mod is absolutely necessary for me. But I use Flex360's stock w/ goodies rom where it is baked in. There's another mod by zeppelinrocks that works as well.
Hope that does u well.
Thanks for the answers, I'm this will come in handy once I get the phone and start playing around with it.
I haven't heard of the multitasking mod, I'll have to look that up.
The partition mod I mentioned was made by Firerat a few years back. I used it on my old Hero and EVO OG to change the size of the system, data, and cache partitions. Here's link to the EVO version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855424&highlight=firerat
Here's one I forgot. To boot into recovery when the phone is off we press power and volume down like with other devices? Or is that changed with the EVO LTE?
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Thanks for the answers, I'm this will come in handy once I get the phone and start playing around with it.
I haven't heard of the multitasking mod, I'll have to look that up.
The partition mod I mentioned was made by Firerat a few years back. I used it on my old Hero and EVO OG to change the size of the system, data, and cache partitions. Here's link to the EVO version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855424&highlight=firerat
Here's one I forgot. To boot into recovery when the phone is off we press power and volume down like with other devices? Or is that changed with the EVO LTE?
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Most of the custom roms will have improved multitasking built in so you shouldn't have to worry about that.
You won't need the partition mod, this phone is a beast!!
The recovery entry procedure is the same as before.
Thanks cruise!
I figured that with the amount of memory the device has I wouldn't need to repartition. But it's been such a useful tool I thought I'd ask about it.
Is there a guide in the Don't Panic thread or anywhere else that explains flashing methods in detail? I've always been able to do everything through recovery and it seems that this device requires more use of Fastboot.
If I'm understanding what I've read correctly, we download a ROM and extract the boot.img. Flash the ROM through recovery then use Fastboot to flash the boot.img? What about just flashing a stand alone kernel?
You guys don't have to explain everything here. A link to a thread would be enough.
Again thanks for the help. All this info will come in handy soon!
Brian419 said:
Thanks cruise!
I figured that with the amount of memory the device has I wouldn't need to repartition. But it's been such a useful tool I thought I'd ask about it.
Is there a guide in the Don't Panic thread or anywhere else that explains flashing methods in detail? I've always been able to do everything through recovery and it seems that this device requires more use of Fastboot.
If I'm understanding what I've read correctly, we download a ROM and extract the boot.img. Flash the ROM through recovery then use Fastboot to flash the boot.img? What about just flashing a stand alone kernel?
You guys don't have to explain everything here. A link to a thread would be enough.
Again thanks for the help. All this info will come in handy soon!
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Yep, you've got it. This thread outlines the process of flashing via fastboot as well as some other options. The same applies to flashing kernels with a ROM or standalone.
http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-lte-all-things-root/606748-how-install-kernels-h-boot-1-15-a.html
Some roms like MeanRom, have written a boot script to automatically install the kernel when the rom installs so no need to fastboot the kernel with MeanRom. Fastbooting kernels is only needed if you are s-on. There has been a major breakthrough in achieving s-off in the last couple of days and they are working on a refined method for everyone's use.
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Fastbooting kernels is only needed if you are s-on.
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Good to know, I was under the impression that it didn't matter if you were s-off or s-on.
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Good to know, I was under the impression that it didn't matter if you were s-off or s-on.
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That is one of the benefits of being s-off, you can write to boot partitions.
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Well I think I'm set. I've been checking other threads and reviewing various guides and descriptions. Provided all goes well and I get the phone next week I should be able to do everything I want with it.
If I have anymore questions I'll be sure to post them.
Again, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I really appreciate it
Update: I got my LTEVO today. Rooted, unlocked, and flashed MeanROM with no serious problems.I just wanted to thank you guys again, the info you gave me really helped.
So thanks!
Hi all,
I have a friend with an AT&T Atrix 4G. I've had a Droid X and current have a Galaxy Nexus & Nexus 7. I did everything you could do to the X and know my way around the Nexus very well; the atrix is a little confusing to me. moto-fastboot and the idea that SBFing is bad are new concepts to me. On the Droid X, if you were in trouble, you just SBF'd.
My friend had some trouble with his Atrix the other day, he was stuck at the splash screen, we got it half way fixed and he was in a bootloop, and eventually we got a version of CM9 on there: 9.0.0-rco-atrix-kang. The phone is running now but the ROM is unstable. I'd like to know how to safely downgrade to a CM7 ROM. Is it as simple as booting into recovery, wiping, and flashing the earlier rom? Something blur based would be ideal at this point as he's just looking to have a stable phone back. He got into rooting/ roming on his own so I'm not sure what updates, if any, were on there before he started. Is there an easy way to check and see which bootloader version he's on, find out which SBF we can safely use, etc? He does have it unlocked, so that should make things easier (or maybe harder, this Atrix really is a mystery to me...).
TL;DR - How do you safely downgrade an Atrix 4G from CM9 to CM7 and which recovery is the best to be using?
I used to switch between CM10 and CM7 all the time, if the phone is rooted and bootloader is unlocked, it's as simple as wiping data/cache, wiping dalvik, format system, install ROM, boot, reboot, install gapps.
Did your friend follow directions and make a nandroid of original before wiping? That would be the simplest way.
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He said he had a backup but that when he restored it it was bootlooping. I'm assuming it was some kind of issue with switching recoveries or something like that. With the Droid X there was a recovery for 2nd-init roms and a recovery for blur roms. With the Nexuses it's mostly TWRP or CWM but as long as you're on the latest you can flash anything. Is there any reason to downgrade recoveries on the Atrix? Is there one "up to date" recovery? I see a lot of posts that point to a 2011 thread with the "latest CWM based recovery" but that seems kind of old...
Alright so I think I have this sorted out for the most part, and my understanding is that RomRacer made a version of CWM that we should be using on the Atrix. I just can't find a link to download the thing, is there a thread in development? When I search all I find is a ton of threads telling me to use it and no one linking it.
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1204500 Right?
Or is TWRP better?
http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/72
Lot of people love TWRP, but I'm one of the few that still uses RomRacers CWM 5.0.2.7 (I think) and no issues flashing CM10.1 (android 4.2.1) Had it for over a year, and works great every time. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
As for the boot loop, those are usually fixed with a wipe. Try wiping everything and restoring.
Edit: Yeah, that seems like the proper thread. Sorry, haven't looked at it since I first rooted my phone. Try TWRP, most people swear by it. The touch does add a nice feature, but I'm too lazy to make the switch.
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Once you have an unlocked BL and a custom recovery, switching between pretty much all ROMs is safe so long as you stay away from SBFs.
You can flash to stock rom and then install CM7 :laugh:
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Once you have an unlocked BL and a custom recovery, switching between pretty much all ROMs is safe so long as you stay away from SBFs.
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Thanks for the help, I'm glad I checked in. On the Droid X whenever anything went wrong and someone posted a thread like this the first ten replies were "Just SBF" - that used to be safe, until they rolled out .621, but that was end-of-life anyway.
I digress; next time I see him we'll iron this out and he'll be off to the races. Thanks again.