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As I was reading through the Q&A section about the different ROM issues everyone is having, I came to realize that what everyone wants is to be able to run a a trully stable version of Honeycomb and be able to have all the treats that come with it. My question is that since the Motorola Xoom is the tablet by which we all measure our gTablets, why can't we just load the firmaware that it's running? I have just enough knowledge about this to be dangerous but from what I understand, the hardware on the two tabs is nearly identical, so why can't this be done?
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As I was reading through the Q&A section about the different ROM issues everyone is having, I came to realize that what everyone wants is to be able to run a a trully stable version of Honeycomb and be able to have all the treats that come with it. My question is that since the Motorola Xoom is the tablet by which we all measure our gTablets, why can't we just load the firmaware that it's running? I have just enough knowledge about this to be dangerous but from what I understand, the hardware on the two tabs is nearly identical, so why can't this be done?
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as far as i know hardware isnt identical.
its really driver issues at this point, and i think the kernal has to be recompiled better?
like the cameras are different. we gots a 1.3 and i think xoom has 5 or 8...not sure. lcd's are different. gsensors might be different. and many more
its like trying to install mac on windows computer you gotta do so many patchs to get it to run.
people have said a new update from viewsonic is coming which might help us. but no recent news.
ok thanks, I didn't realize the difference was as drastic as that. I just figured to use the software that's necessary for the basic operation and discard the parts that operate the peripherals. I didn't realize it was a package deal. You learn something everyday. Thanks
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ok thanks, I didn't realize the difference was as drastic as that. I just figured to use the software that's necessary for the basic operation and discard the parts that operate the peripherals. I didn't realize it was a package deal. You learn something everyday. Thanks
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Well, the differences aren't as drastic as what's described, even thought it might as well be. Just think of it this way. I remember about 5 years ago there was a news story about this couple who had a couple kids in an attempt to save one of their children. They had already had 3 kids. One of the kids had a degenerative disease that required bone marrow transplant. The problem was not a single person in the extended family was compatible. So, they decided to have another kid in hope of compatibility. Nope. So, they had another one after that. Luckily, the 5th child in the litter was compatible with his brother. And his brother's life was saved.
They were all families. The genes were there. But just some genetic differences and nothing about them was compatible.
When we're dealing with softwares and hardwares, little differences might as well be huge differences.
The gtab has the tegra 2 processor. So does the xoom. The tegra 2 in the xoom is ventana while the tegra 2 in the gtab is harmony. They're supposedly 2 lines of productions, even though the specs are almost identical. Driver for one doesn't work with the other.
The Xoom was actually the first port that was attempted on the GTAB, back in February - we were stuck on the framebuffer until May, when MrGuy over in Tabletroms.com managed a fix for it. But by then there were ACER and ASUS images.
I've also heard that 3.1 is a different animal than 3.0.1 (think 2.2/2.3 differences), so it's been slow going for them to get that working. And the other big issue with the Xoom firmware is the size if not deodexed - it was ~300MB and there's only 192MB assigned to /system on a GTAB. If was just too big to use. The Adam and especially VEGA devs managed to get the ASUS image down to a reasonable level.
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Well, the differences aren't as drastic as what's described, even thought it might as well be. Just think of it this way. I remember about 5 years ago there was a news story about this couple who had a couple kids in an attempt to save one of their children. They had already had 3 kids. One of the kids had a degenerative disease that required bone marrow transplant. The problem was not a single person in the extended family was compatible. So, they decided to have another kid in hope of compatibility. Nope. So, they had another one after that. Luckily, the 5th child in the litter was compatible with his brother. And his brother's life was saved.
They were all families. The genes were there. But just some genetic differences and nothing about them was compatible.
When we're dealing with softwares and hardwares, little differences might as well be huge differences.
The gtab has the tegra 2 processor. So does the xoom. The tegra 2 in the xoom is ventana while the tegra 2 in the gtab is harmony. They're supposedly 2 lines of productions, even though the specs are almost identical. Driver for one doesn't work with the other.
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Thanks as always GoodIntentions. And you too Roebeet. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to answer my ignorant dribble lol. You didn't have to be so thorough and patient as I'm sure we noobs probably get on a nerve or two. I really appreciate all of your efforts as you both are a credit to the Android community. I hope you both are able to keep up with what you are doing for the gTablet. We need it and need you guys to take us there. Thanks again.
I'm currently in the market for a new Android phone, as my current Blackberry Bold is about to die. Would you recommend the Galaxy S2? There's a few different phones out there (HTC Sensation for example), and the Google Nexus Prime at end of year. What do you guys recommend?
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I'm currently in the market for a new Android phone, as my current Blackberry Bold is about to die. Would you recommend the Galaxy S2? There's a few different phones out there (HTC Sensation for example), and the Google Nexus Prime at end of year. What do you guys recommend?
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Well, you're gonna get a heavily biased answer, asking in the SGS2 forum, but I suspect you already know that. Sounds to me like you just want some reassurance, more than anything else
Get the SGS2 as soon as you can. You will love it!
I've heard of some issues with the SGS, a phone that I was planning to buy last year but had to spend my savings on a new laptop that died instead, so I wanted to make sure that the SGS2 is performing better than the SGS, and that no major problems have been reported (such as the GPS or similar). I've been unable to find any issues with the SGS2, thus why I'm asking if they'd recommend it .
Thanks for your input!
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I've heard of some issues with the SGS, a phone that I was planning to buy last year but had to spend my savings on a new laptop that died instead, so I wanted to make sure that the SGS2 is performing better than the SGS, and that no major problems have been reported (such as the GPS or similar). I've been unable to find any issues with the SGS2, thus why I'm asking if they'd recommend it .
Thanks for your input!
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You'll obviously see people with issues on here, as this is a hub for people asking for help with issues. But you'll also find lots of people with no problems at all, like me. It's the fastest, smoothest Android experience I've ever had, and I really do recommend it.
I get a day of regular use out of the battery, or 2 days of minimal use (when it's basically just a phone). GPS and Wifi work perfectly for me, and I don't see any yellow tint on my screen.
Personally, I think it's one of the fastest selling pieces of tech ever made for a very good reason.
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You'll obviously see people with issues on here, as this is a hub for people asking for help with issues. But you'll also find lots of people with no problems at all, like me. It's the fastest, smoothest Android experience I've ever had, and I really do recommend it.
I get a day of regular use out of the battery, or 2 days of minimal use (when it's basically just a phone). GPS and Wifi work perfectly for me, and I don't see any yellow tint on my screen.
Personally, I think it's one of the fastest selling pieces of tech ever made for a very good reason.
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Thanks for your input! I realize the XDA forums is a place to go for issues, I see a lot of relatively little issues, not like, "THIS PHONE IS JUNK". I'm glad to hear that everything seems to be going so smoothly. I'm anxious to move to the Android Platform and get started in dev work (coming from a HTC Touch Pro (winmo, my friend conned me into it) and then a Blackberry Bold 9000 (a handmedown from my girlfriend after my touch pro died).)
Now I just gotta figure out if I want to be in a contract or not .
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Thanks for your input! I realize the XDA forums is a place to go for issues, I see a lot of relatively little issues, not like, "THIS PHONE IS JUNK". I'm glad to hear that everything seems to be going so smoothly. I'm anxious to move to the Android Platform and get started in dev work (coming from a HTC Touch Pro (winmo, my friend conned me into it) and then a Blackberry Bold 9000 (a handmedown from my girlfriend after my touch pro died).)
Now I just gotta figure out if I want to be in a contract or not .
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I had a Touch Diamond, a Touch HD and then a HD2, and being a Windows developer I thought it was great being able to port my current skills with very little effort. I am now started down the route of app development for Android though. If you've done any java then it'll be a breeze, and if you've done any C# then it's almost as easy. If you've done .Net then you'll get it as well. Android is definitely gonna be around for quite some time. Unfortunately the same can't be said for my old friend Windows Mobile.
Ah well
Its highly recommended by me, no question asked. Even it should be recommended in htc Sensation forum too
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You'll obviously see people with issues on here, as this is a hub for people asking for help with issues. But you'll also find lots of people with no problems at all, like me. It's the fastest, smoothest Android experience I've ever had, and I really do recommend it.
I get a day of regular use out of the battery, or 2 days of minimal use (when it's basically just a phone). GPS and Wifi work perfectly for me, and I don't see any yellow tint on my screen.
Personally, I think it's one of the fastest selling pieces of tech ever made for a very good reason.
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ditto......
If you clearly understand what you want out of the phone, you will not have a hard time deciding which phone you want to buy.
For me, the hardware spec of this phone fits almost all of my requirements, plus an active community in this forum, I can decide easily. And I'm very happy with this phone.
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I'm thinking of getting a GT and have done some research here and other sites. The more I read the more worried I'm becoming whether buying a GT is really a good idea.
My main concerns are the screen issues, newton rings, moisture under the screen, oil slicks, shaky or flickering screen, device not turning on or charging properly, etc.
As with all forums, it's always the problems that get highlighted so I'm finding it difficult to gauge how wide spread these problems are, i.e. do they only affect 1% of the GTs or is it more like 30%? Do Samsung acknowledge there is a screen problem?
I'd like some candid advice from owners whether they are completely happy with their GT and whether they would buy one again if they were buying now?
If it makes any difference I'd be buying the 16GB WiFi only model from the UK.
I am very happy with my wifi galaxy tab10.1. In my opinion this is the best tablet currently available in market.
And I would advice any of my friends to buy this only at this moment.
Regarding newton rings : its acknowledged by Samsung UK and is present in the FAQ system of their website
http://skp.samsungcsportal.com/integrated/popup/FaqDetailPopup.jsp?cdsite=uk&seq=408522
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I really like my tab, and haven't really had any problems. However, I did get some moisture under the screen after I left it laying outside on a hot day, but I just stuck it in the freezer and it went away .
Now, the decision of whether to get a GT... The main downfall is no external sd card (although this may not bother you). It's very thin, light, and looks good (+), but doesn't have the ports (like hdmi or usb) that other HC tabs have now (-). And, it's a bit more expensive than say a transformer, so you should take that into account too. My best advice would be to go somewhere like bestbuy and test them all out, then buy one on Amazon (generally cheaper).
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm not too bothered about the lack of external connections as the tab will mainly be used for some web browsing and the odd e-mail. I do however want to root it.
I did also consider the Transformer but the newer serial numbers haven't been successfully rooted yet. TBH, if it was rooted I would probably go for the transformer as it's ~€100 cheaper than the GT and already has the HC3.2 upgrade.
I've had a play with both and liked both. I preferred the GT's physical aspects (size and weight) and am familiar with TW as I have a GS2 so it's my first choice.
My main issues are the screen problems. Would you say the problem exists in all GTs (i.e. design flaw) but only manifests themselves when exposed to higher temperatures or is it something that is affecting only a batch of devices (i.e. manufacturing flaw)? I know that's probably difficult to answer but I'd like to hear opinions none the less.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm not too bothered about the lack of external connections as the tab will mainly be used for some web browsing and the odd e-mail. I do however want to root it.
I did also consider the Transformer but the newer serial numbers haven't been successfully rooted yet. TBH, if it was rooted I would probably go for the transformer as it's ~€100 cheaper than the GT and already has the HC3.2 upgrade.
I've had a play with both and liked both. I preferred the GT's physical aspects (size and weight) and am familiar with TW as I have a GS2 so it's my first choice.
My main issues are the screen problems. Would you say the problem exists in all GTs (i.e. design flaw) but only manifests themselves when exposed to higher temperatures or is it something that is affecting only a batch of devices (i.e. manufacturing flaw)? I know that's probably difficult to answer but I'd like to hear opinions none the less.
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Read the last 10 pages or more to get answers to some of your questions :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130230
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Read the last 10 pages or more to get answers to some of your questions :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130230
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Thanks for the link. Well judging from that poll the problem seems to affect more than 50% of those that voted. It's not completely clear whether the problem has been fully resolved either. I've asked on that thread for people with screen replacements to say if the new screens have resolved the problem.
I would say i'm a basic user of my tab...i haven't rooted it as no idea how to go about doing that.
Overall for what I wanted it for, it's exceeded my expectations. I haven't encountered any issues with newton rings (touch wood) not lagging.
I have the 32gb wifi only version and I would suggest this is the optimum size. I feel the 16gb would be way too small.
Download dice player or another as this will play most files thrown at it. Also pay for the HDMI and USB adaptor to be able to watch on your TV or to transfer files. I've found this the easiest way to get files onto the tab rather than messing with Kies (don't go there) or using wifi explore options.
I wanted a tab for on the go, watching movies that i've downloaded without the need to convert (as with ipad). For this reason, it's a great tab, light and widescreen! Nice widgets and can customise the home screen. I'm sure I could get more use out of it, but I've come from apple products so new to android.
With the release of the TF2 coming nov 9th I'd definitely wait for that. If the Tegra 3 can run 1080p smoothly I'm making the switch over.
i have the 16gb metallic grey for 3 weeks now. I live in canada, i work as a real estate broker and am using the tab a lot, especially outside.
Here is fall season, temperatures are getting colder. I didnt have any problems with my screen. I really like my tab.
At first, i wanted to wait for TF2, but since they never said the exact date it would be release and that i was waiting since august, i bought the Galaxy 10.1 and i have nothing bad to say.
The only thing (as stated by others) the lack of sd/usb/hdmi slot turn me down a bit but u can fix that easy with thoses 2 : http://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-Galaxy...GY7Y/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1320212663&sr=8-7
and http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/...etail&subsubtype=others-multimedia&returnurl=
I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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Oh wow that's very helpful and original.
I don't have 500 bucks to throw at a device that may have a design flaw nor the time to chase around getting it repaired because of persistent problems and so was trying to gauge the reliability of the device and extent of any problems.
You obviously have too much time if you can write all that dribble. If you don't like the topic don't read it.
slack04 said:
I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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Dude, there will always be something better coming out, if he wait for that "perfect" product, well he will never buy something.
I didnt want to spoil my money either. Here in canada, with a 3yr sim card data plan, i got a discount and my tab cost me 350$.
Before taking my decision, I've looked at almost all review on the web, went to stores and played with all the tabs.
At the end, it will be a personnal decision. Think about ur needs, no product is perfect, it might defect, thats why u get a warranty when u buy it. For me that was another reason not to buy online, just in case i need service on the tab.
Now for the reliability, since we live in differents parts of the world, i guess nobody can give you a 100% advice about it.
For my two cents, I love my Tab, think it is definitely with getting the 32 GB version, and was unlucky enough to have a problem with the charging connecter breaking. I bought it on Craigslist like-new, but didn't have a receipt. I called Samsung in the middle of the night (24 hour support), and was able to get everything taken care of. It took five minutes, at 1 am Pacific time, speaking to someone with an American accent. They sent me a return label, so I didn't pay a penny to get it repaired, even without proof of purchase. Got it back today, two weeks later. Impressive.
I've got to say, I work with a fair amount of tech support for my job as an audio engineer, and am always amazed with how much better support I get from dealing with companies like Allen & Heath through my work, because we have pro accounts with them all. Samsung was nearly on par with them. That's saying something if you ask me.
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Bought the 3G 16 GB version and love it.
The USB adaptor was included free in the box.
This beauty is the next best thing after my wife and kid
16 GB is more than enough, as USB works fine, and if you need extra space there is always the GoFlex Satellite with 500 GB. I think buying 32 GB does not make any sense.
Got also the Logitech Tablet Keyboard for Android 3.0+ and together with the tab it's a killer combo
So if you are really interested in getting a tab, I would go all out for it
Ok, kinda stupid question, but here it goes:
I have played around with the black version of 10.1 16GB 3g version and the back plastic has a somewhat "rubbery feel". What I want to know is whether the white one has the same feeling or it is glossy and "shiny"... Well Iam ordering tomorrow and want to know please! Thanks!
I was going to make my own thread regarding the GT10.1 before buying one, but thought I would just post it in here:
My question is currently from what I know with stock you have to use Kies to transfer data/backup. With a custom ROM does still happen or can I just use it as a mass storage like all android phones?
I planned on getting a 32gb, but don't know if that is the smart choice. With all kinds of cloud and online storage is 32gb even needed? I know it has no expansion on the device itself.
Lastly, one of my reasons for getting a tablet is for reading all my ebooks and especially PDFs, how well do these look on the 10.1?
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Ok, kinda stupid question, but here it goes:
I have played around with the black version of 10.1 16GB 3g version and the back plastic has a somewhat "rubbery feel". What I want to know is whether the white one has the same feeling or it is glossy and "shiny"... Well Iam ordering tomorrow and want to know please! Thanks!
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Its glossy and shiny in US
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AODfan said:
I was going to make my own thread regarding the GT10.1 before buying one, but thought I would just post it in here:
My question is currently from what I know with stock you have to use Kies to transfer data/backup. With a custom ROM does still happen or can I just use it as a mass storage like all android phones?
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Since the source hasn't been released, the roms aren't exactly custom but modified stock ones. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). So they work with kies.
@ansonantonym: thanks
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Panos_dm said:
Since the source hasn't been released, the roms aren't exactly custom but modified stock ones. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). So they work with kies.
@ansonantonym: thanks
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So, basically all the owners of a Galaxy Tab have to go the route of Kies to do any kind of data transfer(From PC). Fun.
AODfan said:
So, basically all the owners of a Galaxy Tab have to go the route of Kies to do any kind of data transfer(From PC). Fun.
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Well, if indeed I am correct, yes. BUT you can also use dropbox or sent an email to the account that is linked to the tab containing the data. And there is always the option of buying the USB adaptor... Ok I admit that as far as connectivity is concerned, Samsung behaves like Apple but imo what sucks about Apple is not the hardware but the software.
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Lets hope that Samsung delivers ICS as well, thus giving us Apple like support!
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I am thinking of getting a Touchpad and have started doing my research into Android roms and the processes around it. However I am getting a bit confused as to the overall steps, what is available, and how it all works.
So far I have gathered that it will end up being a dual boot. I have seen some mentioning about ClockworkMod, but then I have also seen other posts that say it has issues of some kind.
I guess I need a bit of a basic overview. How does the recovery work? Are all Roms CM7/9 based? How are they installed?
And the biggie, is it worth it? I love the specs and the price (looking at 145 for the 32gb model). But it is unsupported hardware so the question of lifespan comes up in my mind.
Thanks
Ok, I found this thread that helped a bit:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305891
I am assuming the process is the same for all CM versions. However it mentions ClockworkMod as well, yet does not seem to use it. Is it even needed or is everything managed via the SDK?
calash said:
Ok, I found this thread that helped a bit:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305891
I am assuming the process is the same for all CM versions. However it mentions ClockworkMod as well, yet does not seem to use it. Is it even needed or is everything managed via the SDK?
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You may find some value in watching a few of my Touchpad videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/reverendkjr?feature=mhee
I explain a lot of the processes in a very easy to follow way.
That is a great tutorial! Thanks for pointing me to it.
It does clear up several questions for me. One thing I am curious about is if future updates after the first time are handled via ClockworkMod or do we have to use the computer to flash roms every time?
I still have to check out your other videos when I get home, they throttle Youtube at work . I know it is a silly question but what are your thoughts on the Touchpad in general? Is it worth the purchase?
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That is a great tutorial! Thanks for pointing me to it.
It does clear up several questions for me. One thing I am curious about is if future updates after the first time are handled via ClockworkMod or do we have to use the computer to flash roms every time?
I still have to check out your other videos when I get home, they throttle Youtube at work . I know it is a silly question but what are your thoughts on the Touchpad in general? Is it worth the purchase?
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The Touchpad is a wonderful piece of equipment. I would never have bought a tablet if I hadn't gotten this one so cheaply. Yes, future updates should be applied by ClockworkMod. I have a video on that as well. I think you will be convinced of it's awesomeness once you watch more of them. Be sure to subscribe so you get notified when I add more. I do a new video about once a week.
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And the biggie, is it worth it? I love the specs and the price (looking at 145 for the 32gb model). But it is unsupported hardware so the question of lifespan comes up in my mind.
Thanks
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Where are you seeing the 32GB Touchpad for $145? Just curios.
Ron
bluedogtouchpad said:
Where are you seeing the 32GB Touchpad for $145? Just curios.
Ron
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Work. From what I can tell my company is selling off their stock at the same prices as the firesale. The 16gb are long gone but they have some 32gb still floating around. Thinking of getting one as a Christmas gift..to myself
Edit: That was before tax and shipping but still a great deal. Wife just payed for it as a Christmas gift. Cannot wait.
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Work. From what I can tell my company is selling off their stock at the same prices as the firesale. The 16gb are long gone but they have some 32gb still floating around. Thinking of getting one as a Christmas gift..to myself
Edit: That was before tax and shipping but still a great deal. Wife just payed for it as a Christmas gift. Cannot wait.
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Can you get anymore for that price? I have Pay-Pal....
Good price for sure
If you are able to fetch it off ebay or craiglist for the cheaper prices (under $200) then go get it! You won't be able to find a ~10 incher for under $250 which has reasonable specs and does not suck.
The touchpad over all in my opinion is not bad at all. Webos will be opensourced soon by HP which means that even more work will be done on this tablet. The only major gripe with WEBOS currently is that it does not have much apps due to not being very popular, but hopefully opensourcing webos will result in some more activity.
Then comes android, specifically CM7. There are two versions out, the normal Cyanogen android OS and a "Xronified" version, which is the same as cyanogen but has lots of tweaks to get the cyanogen version running better on your tablet. Simply poo, XRON is CM7 but lots of tweaks and additions to get android going nicely on your tablet. Both versions are "alpha 3" but very usable, especially the XRON version.
One gripe about all of this is that the tablet scene is not very mature, meaning that WEBOS has barely any apps but very functional OS, while CM7/xron has many apps (all android apps) but still buggy here and there. Nothing is so bad that it is unusable, just that you might run into a bug or problem here and there, but none of it is unfix-able without checking XDA more.
Oh yeah, you can overclock this sucker to 1.5 Ghz from the stock 1.2 Ghz (I think it is 1.2) and run it fully stable. Some even got it to 1.9 Ghz, all of which gives the tablet very noticeable speed boosts.
In my situation, webos did not want to update, so I had to work with a thing called webosdoctor, and from then on I had no problems getting webos to update, overclocking it, and installing android. I just got the touchpad yesterday night, and I was able to get webos fully updated, overclocked, and set up a homebrew environment on the tablet within an hour. After that I got android on the touchpad, which took me maybe an hour too, but most of that time was spent downloading the rom (Xron is 190 MB or so), waiting for android to install on the touchpad, and realizing I did not plug in the usb cable into the touchpad all the way. It was very very easy, and no problems for me at all!
I used this guide for getting started with everything:
http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html
And then this guide for getting android onto the touchpad:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305891 <-- CM7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321335 <-- xron
I first installed CM7 and then Xron, turns out you can just use the xron thread but I did CM7 and then Xron to make it easier for me.
Good luck with deciding to get a touchpad or not, if you do, it is rather fun!
It's worth getting the TP just to have fun flashing ROMs and keeping your hobbies up to date. Having gone through the flashing scenario with Dell x51v I found myself wanting more fun through custom ROMs than the regular Ipad stock crowd. I picked up the NI Adam and loved that too but to tell you the truth the TP rocks with android and this keeps me going in terms of keeping up to date with mobile hardware/software scene. If you can get one...get one, you won't regret it.
Thank you everybody for the good guidance. I saw the MIUI rom go up the other day as well so there are plenty of options.
I have been hacking phone since my old Kyocera 6035 so this type of stuff is just fun for me. This will be my first tablet, cannot wait. Shipping is due on the 19 but my wife wont let me have it until Xmas day. You can bet it will be booting Android before we go out to visit the family
A question on overclocking: I read the thread for overclocking in WebOS but I was not sure if this had any impact on the android side of things. I am very familiar with SetCPU, are the kernels we get with the roms setup to overclock in Android?
Just got mine. Have to wait for Christmas too. Ratts!!!!!
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A question on overclocking: I read the thread for overclocking in WebOS but I was not sure if this had any impact on the android side of things. I am very familiar with SetCPU, are the kernels we get with the roms setup to overclock in Android?
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Nope. The two OS's are completely independent. Get Antutu CPU Master (free) to OC in Android.
Finally got my prime after so much stress and work. Was so EXICTED.
First off the bat, I noticed it was kinda sluggish. Maybe I expected too much oh of it but when switching to portrait mode from landscape, it could take up to 3 seconds and shudder (unlike my iPad 2).
The browser was SO slow oh my god. Went side by side with my iPad 2 and the iPad 2 destroyed the prime. Often times the prime would just give up half way through loading the page and I had to click refresh.
What's up with the keyboard? I've been typing on tablets for so long and am really fast. Often times when I typed something, the prime didn't recognize me clicking space and words were mashed together. Almost never have had this problem before and it was common on the prime.
The native books app is TERRIBLE. I had this 500 page PDF I wanted to read and got it on my prime. The books app would freeze up and take up to 10 seconds sometimes to load the next page! Thankfully I went to the android market and found a third party one.
Overall, even with ICS, it doesn't feel as snappy or responsisive as iOS (and trust me, I HATE giving apple credit). I can't see myself actually achieving a task on this, like typing something up or looking up something with the slow browser. It didn't have smooth enough transitions and I hated to see it shudder.
So yes I am SO upset. I don't even want to recap the trouble and time input to finally getting one of these. Either you suck Asus, my unit is messed up(doubtful), or I have been spoiled with iOS and android is second rate. Thank you
Ok, I'll bite:
Finally got my prime after so much stress and work. Was so EXICTED.
First off the bat, I noticed it was kinda sluggish. Maybe I expected too much oh of it but when switching to portrait mode from landscape, it could take up to 3 seconds and shudder (unlike my iPad 2).
that is odd - are you using a live wallpaper? if so that can happen sometimes. Also can you tell if its happening with specific apps or the entire tablet? that happens to me every time I use the Best Buy app and a few others - its the apps fault. But it could be your tablet. There is also a setting to look for that you can tell the tablet to auto detect orientation or to force ti one way ot the other - double check what that is set at
The browser was SO slow oh my god. Went side by side with my iPad 2 and the iPad 2 destroyed the prime. Often times the prime would just give up half way through loading the page and I had to click refresh.
The stock browser sucks. get Opera Mobile. It is free. The stock browser is better with ICS now. I ditched the stock browser after 2 days and this is my 4th android device in less than 4 years and I've never switched browsers until now. This appears to be common but easily reolved by using another browser (no different than using Chrome in stead of IE on your PC for example
What's up with the keyboard? I've been typing on tablets for so long and am really fast. Often times when I typed something, the prime didn't recognize me clicking space and words were mashed together. Almost never have had this problem before and it was common on the prime.
The default keyboard is Swype I believe. Check out it's swype feature, it's pretty cool. You trace works instead poke out letters. LOTS of keyboards to choose from. I recommend SwiftKey x for Tablets
The native books app is TERRIBLE. I had this 500 page PDF I wanted to read and got it on my prime. The books app would freeze up and take up to 10 seconds sometimes to load the next page! Thankfully I went to the android market and found a third party one.
I kinda like the default reader, but I have a nook so I have a library there and therefore prefer to use that app. This tablet also come preloaded with the Kindle app. All of those eReader apps are free. and they all work slightly different. Find one you like and then stick with that one. Check out free book samples while you are testing them.
- also have you rebooted after you installed ICS? I mean a nice long and slow shut down, walk away, come back later, turn it on, walk away, don't touch it, and then let it load back up....no touching for 15 minutes? t=That s no science but just a recommendation from past experience flashing roms and OSs etc.
Overall, even with ICS, it doesn't feel as snappy or responsisive as iOS (and trust me, I HATE giving apple credit). I can't see myself actually achieving a task on this, like typing something up or looking up something with the slow browser. It didn't have smooth enough transitions and I hated to see it shudder.
something is not right for it to be THAT bad. I wouldn't expect a brand new, less than one month old release of a new tablet and only one day into a brand new OS to prefer anywhere close to iOS. Ever. If Apple is due credit where they are due - for $800+ someone can walk away with a beautiful tablet that is nearly flawless It sounds like something is slowing your way down, really bogging it. Have you tried killing the tasks (there is a widget fot that now, and rebooting? You could try that before you do the longer walk away reboot. You could also get OS Monitor and see what is hoggin on your CPU.
So yes I am SO upset. I don't even want to recap the trouble and time input to finally getting one of these. Either you suck Asus, my unit is messed up(doubtful), or I have been spoiled with iOS and android is second rate. Thank you
Noting you mentioned is related to hardware so it is not Asus. If you've never used Android then you probably =bly aren't familiar with the variety of settings you can change and ways you can tweak things to help youself trouble shoot some of these problems. I hear you there buddy about the PIa of getting one of these to begin with!! took me over 3 hours on the phone just to get my ordered changed even though I had an email with exact instructions on how to do it. Apparently they didn't tell the CSRs how to do it.Did you get yours from Best Buy? If so, yo are probably still within your 30 days return period. You could return out and wait for a new arrival exchange unit to come in.
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Noting you mentioned is related to hardware so it is not Asus.
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Personally it ALL sounds HW related to me...
OP....If the tablet was up to the task you would be getting better performance.
Yes, there seems to be some happy people out there but as it's been PROVEN that there are MAJOR problems with the TFP.. I'd be more than likely to say it's because these people have a high threshold for putting up with garbage, rather than them experiencing less problems than everyone else.
If you dislike spending good money afte bad on HW that [email protected] WORK PROPERLY then yeah.. go ahead, buy it.. but if you like value for money.. kick it to the kerb.
I have read up on this constantly for the past 2 months... TBH, this tablet is a piece of ****.
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Personally it ALL sounds HW related to me...
OP....If the tablet was up to the task you would be getting better performance.
Yes, there seems to be some happy people out there but as it's been PROVEN that there are MAJOR problems with the TFP.. I'd be more than likely to say it's because these people have a high threshold for putting up with garbage, rather than them experiencing less problems than everyone else.
If you dislike spending good money afte bad on HW that [email protected] WORK PROPERLY then yeah.. go ahead, buy it.. but if you like value for money.. kick it to the kerb.
I have read up on this constantly for the past 2 months... TBH, this tablet is a piece of ****.
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Do you have one? No? Then you should probably stfu...lol. It is a great tablet and has really good hardware. The only known HW issue that I am aware of is GPS. The Prime is a great piece of technology and I am no fanboy. It has issues but nothing like what you mention or what the OP mentions, IMO. If the OP is having that type of trouble they describe then I recommend returning it because that is not the experience i have had at all.
The stock browser, btw, is better than Opera Mobile on ICS. It was crap on HC though.
android sucks lesson learned
I thought your OP seemed a little trollish. Now we know you are a big A fanboy that came to enlighten the Android faithful about the second coming of Jobs. Thanks. We weren't aware that Android was completely inferior to iOS. Now that we know I am sure we will all sell our devices and get in line at the closest Apple store.
Really though for what it's worth, I think Apple is great for a lot of people. I would recommend it to my wife now that Sprint has the iPhone even. It will probably be her next phone. She will probably have an iPad at some point even. So, I'm not sure why there has to be such a divide.
That said, I really can't imagine what would possess someone to create an account on XDA and pretend that their Prime is worse than their iPad 2 just to put out the idea that Android is ass. BTW, most of us have so much experience with this OS that even if it was complete ass we would be so used to the smell that it wouldn't bother us to be all nose deep up in it. Luckily that isn't the case. I know you want it to be. You really wish it was. But..
Android is a great platform with a ton of great developers. Now that Jobs is dead, Apple is likely destined to go back to where it was just before he rejoined their ranks. It's going to take a lot longer now because of all of the iOS worship though.
Anyway, I hope you find a buyer for your Prime if you ever had one. Thanks for letting us know that all of this Android development and enthusiasm is for not. I can't believe I wasted this much time on it...whew. Thanks again. You are awesome. You look really cool with those white headphones too. Sick. I love it. Later el f*cko.
I crack a little smile every time I read such glorious, intelligent, well thought-out posts!
I would say return it for sure. No reason to stick with it and be disappointed.
Have people lost their ability to criticize products without sounding like they just came out of the womb (not talking to you OP, but some of the other thread commentators in this thread)?
Unfortunately I've had the exact same experience as the OP with the Prime I bought to replace my Ipad2. I'm severely disappointed in the performance, especially the stock browser. I know people say to download a browser from the market, but do they really expect all customers to do that? That is their solution?
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I crack a little smile every time I read such glorious, intelligent, well thought-out posts!
I would say return it for sure. No reason to stick with it and be disappointed.
Have people lost their ability to criticize products without sounding like they just came out of the womb (not talking to you OP, but some of the other thread commentators in this thread)?
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Looks like there are apple fanboys in our forum again desperate to find something to gloat about. they are like hawks and troll this forum to tarnish this product as much as possible. They are scared that Apple may finally lose its marketshare now that there are MUCH better options. Don't be fooled by them!:
I find it sad that anyone that questions this tablet is immediately branded an apple fanboy.
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I find it sad that anyone that questions this tablet is immediately branded an apple fanboy.
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I'm not on the apple fanboy-branding bandwagon either; I've used iPads, iPhones, and own an iMac. My better half has an iPhone, and it just plain works - period. The iPhone just works, while I sit around tinkering with aftermarket android apps, changing themes, flashing ROMs which might or might not work. So you won't see me criticizing love for Apple. It's fair to compare the two. But there's a mature and constructive way to criticize.
The second response to this post had the phrase "TBH, this tablet is a piece of ****." Wow, what a revelation! Could we scrape the bottom of the barrel anymore when it comes to intelligent observations about the tablet? The OP says it's possible his unit is messed up, but he says 'doubtful'. The title of his thread includes "or does this tablet suck." We are on a TFP forum. Come on. My tablet runs well. I have extensive experience with iPads and other tablets. The TFP runs beautifully for me; and now with ICS, the stock browser is fine. So YES, your tablet is probably messed up in some way or another. Or I just got some lucky batch that performs above and beyond yours.
I understand that others are not having the same experience and are frustrated, but I would take advantage of their retailers return policy and return/replace the tablet. I've already had to replace mine. I'm debating seriously about returning it in order to get one of the newly announced CES tablets. But you won't see me typing half-assed, dumbed-down posts that are clearly written to stir up the pot.
My personal experience
I've had my Tranformer Prime maybe close to 8 months.
Now it's running JB 4.1.1 Stock ROM which was updated OTA.
I do find this tablet rather sluggish. Switching from one app to another takes a few seconds.
Moving from one page to another when viewing PDF files is a chore! I do personally feel it's hardware issues. Not so sure whether it'll be solved by rooting and changing ROMS but I do find myself using my Note2 more often than my tablet just because the latter is super fast!
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I've had my Tranformer Prime maybe close to 8 months.
Now it's running JB 4.1.1 Stock ROM which was updated OTA.
I do find this tablet rather sluggish. Switching from one app to another takes a few seconds.
Moving from one page to another when viewing PDF files is a chore! I do personally feel it's hardware issues. Not so sure whether it'll be solved by rooting and changing ROMS but I do find myself using my Note2 more often than my tablet just because the latter is super fast!
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I was also having problems with mine after the ota and called customer support to find out about doing a factory reset, whereupon they said they were aware of problems and that it needed to be returned and flashed by them. It was picked up on Monday and is in repair now.
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I was also having problems with mine after the ota and called customer support to find out about doing a factory reset, whereupon they said they were aware of problems and that it needed to be returned and flashed by them. It was picked up on Monday and is in repair now.
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm confused. So there IS a problem with the OTA update to JB? Why send it back? Can they ie ASUS do something about it?
Can't you do the factory reset yourself?
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm confused. So there IS a problem with the OTA update to JB? Why send it back? Can they ie ASUS do something about it?
Can't you do the factory reset yourself?
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They said some people are having a problem and that me doing a factory reset would not sort it but they could, hence them asking me to return it for them to reset. If you explain that your problems have occurred since the ota I would hope that they would recall it and at the very least test it after their service.
I hope this helps, I will post again after I receive it back, which hopefully will be a couple of days after easter.
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They said some people are having a problem and that me doing a factory reset would not sort it but they could, hence them asking me to return it for them to reset. If you explain that your problems have occurred since the ota I would hope that they would recall it and at the very least test it after their service.
I hope this helps, I will post again after I receive it back, which hopefully will be a couple of days after easter.
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Thanks alot. Please keep me posted. Maybe I should try hard reset it.. see how that helps.
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Thanks alot. Please keep me posted. Maybe I should try hard reset it.. see how that helps.
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I hard reset mine several times and for me it didn't make a difference but no harm in trying.
Back using my HP TouchPad which is smooth but much heavier and without the same aspect ratio for video or HDMI out and of course the advantages of the dock. So I am looking forward to getting it back.