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Hey guys, havent really ever posted much but here goes:
I just bought the note, and switched to at&t just for the phone, i absolutely love the idea of having a small tablet that fits in your pocket that also makes your calls.
but.....
I'm comming from sprint's galaxy s2 (epic 4g touch). That phone was superfast. I feel like this phone absolutely crawls in comparison, its laggy and jumpy and things just take so long to open up... switching between things isnt as instantaneuos as before.. Another surefire way i know that something is definitely worse is that before on my gs2 i was able to run adownloader, downloading as many as 4 torrents at a time without the phone slowing down to terribly and i was even able to watch avi videos normally while downloading. now, the phone comes to a complete stop.
Now, to be fair, i did root my sg2 a few months ago and installed a custom rom but i never overclocked it, but maybe thats why that phone was faster. could it be that when devs start making custom roms for this one it will "speed up"?
Because im sorry this phone is so laggy now.....
Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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mottyengel said:
could it be that when devs start making custom roms for this one it will "speed up"?....
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Yes, in fact.
richard371 said:
Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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This helped a lot. Tyvm.
I noticed that every once in a while I have to do a "clear memory" in the task manager to speed up the Note. Not sure what's going on, maybe a memory leak. It won't be long until we have ICS and I'm sure that will speed it up quite a bit.
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Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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You mean system power saving option? Or is there another option called energy saver? Just checking you never know.
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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And yes, when roms start coming in, this phone will scream even more. Everyone *****ing about it not having an exynos. Here's a nugget of info: you can overclock the hell out of snapdragon, much more than exynos. Clock-for-clock exynos is faster but when devs jump in, snapdragon will be faster in the long run due to overclockability. You watch, this processor will break 2ghz and still have great battery life once smart processor scaling gets implemented into ROMs.
Hell, Da_G was near 2ghz (1.93) before the phone was officially publicly released. In time, these clocks will become stable.
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Stock benchmark...
was like 2500 on quadrant but then I rooted and used the overclock kernel and I'm at 3400...I don't know how people get 2900-3200 stock highly questionable. My friend got one the same day I did and his stock is at the exact same score about 2500.
Err0xx said:
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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I pretty much agree with this guy. My note performs absolutely flawlessly. I have root, but have not installed overclocked kernel or overclocking apps. Even with a live wallpaper running, my device seems to fly by. @OP Possibly a resource hogging app?
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iLAofficial said:
was like 2500 on quadrant but then I rooted and used the overclock kernel and I'm at 3400...I don't know how people get 2900-3200 stock highly questionable. My friend got one the same day I did and his stock is at the exact same score about 2500.
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Get on YouTube. Go look up the phonedog ATT Galaxy Note review. In it, the quadrant benchmark score is 1700ish, he's using totally stock software with static wallpaper. Yours, at 2500 was 800 over his. Quadrant fluctuations? Random variables? Different note performance? My claim of 2900-3200 shouldn't be "questionable", as if your incinuating I'm lying, when there is already 800 points difference between a huge YouTube reviewer and yours.
I hate benchmarks. Don't care what they say as I find it rarely relates to real-performance. Already have quadrant uninstalled from my note. Yet people use it and live by it, so when discussing performance, I have no choice but to use it for comparison. My note absolutely screams and if yours doesn't, something, somewhere, is wrong.
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It won't be long until we have ICS and I'm sure that will speed it up quite a bit.
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I wouldn't hold your breath. Besides, using golauncher works 100% on this 2.3 version, which for the most part is as stable as they get. I'm not convinced ICS has much to offer outside of a slick GUI. And that's GL does anyway
I got the same speeds this thing.is stupid fast ...all stock
Err0xx said:
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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Just out of curiosity, what color is your Note?
My GF has the white one, and I have the carbon blue one. Just like you, hers keeps hitting quadrant scores of 2800 +, reaching up to ~ 3100. Mine has topped at 2800, hitting usually ~ 2500.
Needless to say, quadrant isn't very consistent, and hers sometimes hits around 2300, but mine has never gone over 2800.
I know that benchmark scores are in no way a reliable way of measuring a device's performance, but after paying a hefty price for the phone, and seeing that one next to mine which was also purchased at the exact same time and has the exact same specs is getting a consistent "better performance", makes me wonder if I should ask for an exchange.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Forgot to mention, the overall phone performance seems to be smoother on her Note. Mine has some lag, mostly on the home screen, whereas hers barely lags at all.
I have the Black one, and it is laggy as hell. I mean horrible. Like I keep debating taking it back.
Anyway, my quadrant is always around 2500.
Color
backtothemac said:
I have the Black one, and it is laggy as hell. I mean horrible. Like I keep debating taking it back.
Anyway, my quadrant is always around 2500.
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OK. can we get a poll here, i guess i should start a new thread for this, but mine is black and laggy as hell to. can people post their colors? Best buy said that they dont exchange for color though.. not sure what to do..
Before root and rom/kernal, Note was laggy at times, tried adw (much better) and go launcher (better) then I rooted and rom'ed and I got 3842 running the oc Kernal, its flying! I will say stock though the skyrocket I had was faster, no lag at all
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OK. can we get a poll here, i guess i should start a new thread for this, but mine is black and laggy as hell to. can people post their colors? Best buy said that they dont exchange for color though.. not sure what to do..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517550
Here is a link to a post with a poll related to what we are discussing.
thanks so much!
I just recieved my Rezound today overnight and I have it activated. I am not new to rooting or flashing ROMs, but however I am new to HTC as I've only owned the original Droid and the Droid X2 in the past. My original Droid I modded the hell out of that and i came to love Peter Alfonso's stable releases and overclocking to 1.0ghz was nice. I came from the Droid X2 after just 5-6 months of use because I got tired of Motorola's locked bootloader. And it feels like there's maybe a 25% chance the X2 will get ICS, but doubtful because of the small user-base that has that phone.
Anyway my questions are what is the most stable ROM on Rezound? I guess I would prefer something that is ICS because apparently there is a major performance boost, although you can list Gingerbread ROMs as well.
On a side note, is there anything that can accurately benchmark this phone? For example I used Antutu Benchmark on my X2 and with it rooted and MotoBlur removed, it would get a score between 4800-5000. I just ran my Rezound on it and I got a score of 2700, which is totally confusing to me considering it's a 1.5ghz dual core vs a 1.0 dual core. I thought Quadrant had bad problems with dual-cores, but this seems to be above that.
Is it definitely worth it to root not and ROM it up? I don't care about the warranty issue, but I wondering if I should wait to mod anything until after we get an official ICS release then developers can build more stable ROMs off of that. Any help is appreciated.
Probably cleanrom for both ICS and GB stability wise with the stock kernel. But BAMF for ICS is probably the most featured rom.
There are tons of threads about the different roms and their benefits/disadvantages. That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to unlock it and root it. It's definitely worth it. All of the ROMs are what I would call stable. You can't go wrong with any of them in the Dev section, in my opinion. Just depends on what you want. As far as benchmarks, use Antutu. Here is my example using Joel's ROM with the 1.7 kernel:
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So, as you can see, rooting is worth it. If you want to try out Joel's ROM, it's his BAMF ICS ROM, but I would wait until later tonight when he updates it to 0.7.
EDIT: Ninja'd by the newly appointed Recognized Developer! Argh!!!
I've only used sense based ROMs and have had no problems at all. I do recommend you stick with stock, or lightly modified kernels. I've tried all (I think all, anyway) of the heavily developed kernels and all ended up causing me random reboots and the dreaded 100% charge boot loop. Not hating on the kernels, because they do provide some great benifits... but stability is paramount to me.
As for ICS ROMs. I just recently went with CleanROM ICS 3.1 and it's pretty stellar. The dev seems committed to it and it appears to be the most mature of the ICS bunch.
I hear good things about the BAMF ICS ROM too. It's pretty new, so I expect some pretty regular updates there so I'm waiting till that gets a little further along. But it's next on my list!
RezROM is super sick if you are down for some classic GB though.
Good luck!
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Not hating on the kernels, because they do provide some great benifits... but stability is paramount to me.
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Yea, me too and I was just about ready to go back to a stock kernel until I tried Incredikernel 6.0. That kernel is not over clocked, and running it since the day it was released I have yet to have one single reboot or boot loop etc.
I love the features of Incredicontrol etc. and the battery life is amazing.
don't forget about the ineff 1.3 rom. amazing theme based mods for it
Thanks for the replies. I Unlocked, Rooted and got some ROMs running on my phone. Rightnow I'm running CleanROM GB. I ran the ICS build, but personally I can't stand bugs on a ROM.
Yeah I can honestly say i've tried every rom under the Rezound dev section and prefer a senseless or AOSP variant but those are buggy the most complete and bug free rom for me has been BAMF 0.7 and it really makes the HTC Sense a dream.
The most stable rom in my opinion is clean
Rom the 1.7.5 with incredikernel beta 6.
i'm running CleanROM ICSE 3.5 and my quadrant score was 2093 and my Antutu score is 5539
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i'm running CleanROM ICSE 3.5 and my quadrant score was 2093 and my Antutu score is 5539
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I don't even go by Quadrant any longer, it doesn't measure dual-cores accurately.
I was running CleanROM ICSE overclocked to 1.7 and got a score of 6500+ each time. Before I ever unlocked my phone someone posted a score of 7200+ on BAMF 0.6 at the time.
The phone is plenty fast for me right now, so I went back to the stable CleanROM GB.
My Droid X2 didn't do so bad on Antutu. I had it rooted and debloated running Eclipse 2.1 and would get scores between 5000-5200. dual-core 1.0ghz.
made a few tweaks getting the score up to 6580
I know this is an old thread, but what do you think coming from the X2? I have an X2, but also upgraded to the Rezound, but it doesn't come in for a few (long) hours yet.
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Probably cleanrom for both ICS and GB stability wise with the stock kernel. But BAMF for ICS is probably the most featured rom.
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I agree. I've loved all cleanroms and usually always go back to them after trying something else. 1.7.5 is the best gb from when paired with incredikernel undervolted. I've yet to try the very latest bamf ics.
bamf or CR dev edition for ics. I personally stuck with dev edition since it's debloated like crazy and comes with ics blue themed mods.
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I know this is an old thread, but what do you think coming from the X2? I have an X2, but also upgraded to the Rezound, but it doesn't come in for a few (long) hours yet.
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lol same dx2 user movin up to a rezz. mine comes tomorrow, cant wait!!
I use the latest CleanROM ICS Edition. Extremely stable.
I used the desense tool to get rid of the all Sense stuff and use NovaLauncher s my launcher.
IMO, Visit the team bamf forums on Monday and flash this...
[Ics][3.11.605.22][Sense4.0]Bamf Evita
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i was watching the phonedog.com dogfight between the Gnote and the iP 4s (no surprise the Gnote wins )
anyways, he ran the Quadrant Standard Edition so i went and installed it....his test came out to 2396. i ran the same test and mine came out to 3223. i wonder why there was such a difference? perhaps he hadn't rebooted his in awhile. i have no widgets running, perhaps that is why.
please share yours
~3300 stock, ~3800 overclocked to 1.83GHz
I don't get it. Highest ive gotten so far is like 2745. I have mine rooted with clock mod installed but on stock rom. How are you guys hitting 3,000 e on the stock rom.
Ive done all the clear RAM, reboot, & kill off backround tasks. I need more speeeeeeed! LOL>
nice jjc!
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I don't get it. Highest ive gotten so far is like 2745. I have mine rooted with clock mod installed but on stock rom. How are you guys hitting 3,000 e on the stock rom.
Ive done all the clear RAM, reboot, & kill off backround tasks. I need more speeeeeeed! LOL>
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idk m8. hopefully someone will reply with an idea. i am interested in knowing why we all have diff #'s when we have stock rom.
do you have a widget(s) running?
Rooted, stock, frozen bloat. Fast as hell.
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ARTAQaf said:
nice jjc!
idk m8. hopefully someone will reply with an idea. i am interested in knowing why we all have diff #'s when we have stock rom.
do you have a widget(s) running?
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Nope no widgets. I'll have to try and freeze some more bloat.
Use setcpu, and use scaling performance so that it's truly running at 1.5GHz. Samsung uses "on-demand" speed scaling, so when you test, there's a chance it might be running at less than 1.5 if it hasn't scaled up to 1.5 yet
I'm running stock ROM (only rooted), CWM b4 recovery, and Da_G overclock kernel
Dont just freeze bloat uninstall it! I never freeze it.
i'm running stock everything except i run an installed Launcher. why would mine be higher than some others? does rooting slow it down?
here is my benchmark.
Using GO launcher, 6 home screens, 11 widgets - WidgetLocker Running in background w/ beautiful widgets.
SauROM w/ DaG kernel overclocked - 1.83 ghz - V6 supercharger script 1000+hp
My setCPU is 1.83 on "performance" setting (yes it makes a difference).
*Also, used RomToolboxPro to change i/o scheduler to Deadline and increase SD read write from 128kb to 3072kb...
Here is mine running Saurom with Da G kernal. Clock is at 1566mhz.
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ARTAQaf said:
i was watching the phonedog.com dogfight between the Gnote and the iP 4s (no surprise the Gnote wins )
anyways, he ran the Quadrant Standard Edition so i went and installed it....his test came out to 2396. i ran the same test and mine came out to 3223. i wonder why there was such a difference? perhaps he hadn't rebooted his in awhile. i have no widgets running, perhaps that is why.
please share yours
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Couple things here, and by no means am I an Apple fan to ANY degree, but....
4S is close to year old technology, so comparing it to a brand new superphone like the Note (even the Skyrocket which has been to market for a couple months now) is silly. I generally like Phonedog and was genuinely surprised that guy would even compare the two devices. It sets a really silly precedent because 8 months from now, he'll likely make the same comparison between the Note and the Iphone5 which just might be similarly unfair, in the other direction.
Also, Quadrant is very nearly fraudulent in terms of its usefulness in showing the "actual" speed of a device, in a real-world sense, so I take ANY statement that starts or ends with Quadrant benchmarking with a huge truckload of salt.
Just my take...
-Ryan
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Here is mine running Saurom with Da G kernal. Clock is at 1566mhz.
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Hey did you see somewhere on here, there is a guy whos getting 3999? wonder what he has.
CWM b4, Da_G's Oc Kernel, Saurom, and a lot of bloatware uninstall.
CPU set to "Performance" 1.83ghz = 3900.
DA_g kernel, OC to 1.782, on demand, no reset and no ram clear. Wanted to see what it would if i was to do the test in real world situation (like showing off to friends);-)
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Lol...how many benchmark threads are we going to start....I think there are 4 or 5 now
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3930 at 1.83
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ARTAQaf said:
nice jjc!
idk m8. hopefully someone will reply with an idea. i am interested in knowing why we all have diff #'s when we have stock rom.
do you have a widget(s) running?
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I have stock at&t note and get 3200-3300. If I don't clear the RAM, i get 2300-2700. So, just got to task manager, ram tab, and clear the memory, then use quadrant.
3203 Stock the way it comes setup.
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I am running MIUI. Not as fast as I want it to be.
Which ROM for utter, sheer speed?
I can't stand it when I am waiting for the phone....
willing to sacrifice it all, for the sake of responsiveness !
Help !
Should I just get stock rom? that is, roms based on Froyo will be faster?
unfortunately, there's seems to be an inherent delay in ICS. of all the ICS flavors i've tried, Doc's V6 seems to be the snappiest, although only after extensive tweaking. get rid of menu transitions, disabled scrolling cache, etc.
since ICS isn't officially supported, and probably won't ever be, I think 2.2 & 2.3 brews will be better optimized. I just came from a non-recognizable Bionix 1.3.1, custom handling of the framework, and was hoping to flash the lovely Bionix Blackout theme, but the author never got back to me.
as of this moment, i'm on WeUI 1.0. I may go back to 2.2 for one reason: Speakerphone. I've yet to find an ICS rom/kernel combo that doesn't screw up speakerphone. The mute/unmute bug seems to still be prevelant, although not as annoying.
I'm using Passion V13.1 clocked at 1.4ghz. My phones handles the OC without crashing. I've disabled many of the pretty things and I have 0 lag. Its been great.
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I'm using ICS Zen 1.6 with Subzero #70
100% Supercharged - Overclocked.
Zero Lag.
I'm on Slim 3.4. I don't use any OC, but the phone is plenty zippy. The only thing that seems to lag is on startup while it scans for all the apps that I have moved to SD. Once that is done, I don't have any speed issues.
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Nobody here is right.... i love.my.bionix and passion but neither of them were ever fast.. cm7 was always mindblowingly fast.... like godly.. with glitch,.you can oc.to 1.65ghz and oc the graphics processor even tho stock speed was already faster than ics and froyo at 1.4ghz..
Seriously, cm7 is cleeearly faster by a mile..
For comparison, i got around 1600 on quadrant benchmark and about 15 on linpack highest on ics and froyo.... almost 3200 and 25 on cm7 highest
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Nobody here is right.... i love.my.bionix and passion but neither of them were ever fast.. cm7 was always mindblowingly fast.... like godly.. with glitch,.you can oc.to 1.65ghz and oc the graphics processor even tho stock speed was already faster than ics and froyo at 1.4ghz..
Seriously, cm7 is cleeearly faster by a mile..
For comparison, i got around 1600 on quadrant benchmark and about 15 on linpack highest on ics and froyo.... almost 3200 and 25 on cm7 highest
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Performance varies from device to device. While cm7 might be faster for some (I used cm7 for almost a year) but the speed was nothing compared to Zen for me right now. Benchmark means very little in actual performance, so it isn't something you can really rely on in regards to how fast the phone will actually be.
Yea ICS is a pain.
For those that say you have no lag.
1:you have 1-4 apps
2:you don't use to its full extent
3:you don't like having a nice user experience.(which is why you disabled everything)
4:you obviously don't know what a smartphone is used for.
Lag is present in a lot of ICS ...you need to do a lot of tweaking for it to be vanished and even then a little hiccup will be available which is fine nothings perfect...it just gets to me when people say they have days without charging their phone and claim to have "zero lag"
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Yea ICS is a pain.
For those that say you have no lag.
1:you have 1-4 apps
2:you don't use to its full extent
3:you don't like having a nice user experience.(which is why you disabled everything)
4:you obviously don't know what a smartphone is used for.
Lag is present in a lot of ICS ...you need to do a lot of tweaking for it to be vanished and even then a little hiccup will be available which is fine nothings perfect...it just gets to me when people say they have days without charging their phone and claim to have "zero lag"
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Not true, actually.
1. I have over 150 apps on my phone right now
2. I certainly do. Lots of streaming, DLing, gaming, messaging, emailing, etc
3. I have most all my settings enabled atm, only thing I don't have is a pretty live wallpaper lol (but occasionally I do turn one on for a few weeks)
4. And that would be?
I get nearly 2 days worth of battery on ICS Zen with the stock battery.
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That was day one of my flash, and I didn't use my phone very much as you can see...but even still, it had good life on the first day...the battery life has improved substantially since then (as it tends to once the rom settles) Now, I am constantly using my phone, and I can "usually" get about 36-38 hours on one charge.
It's the only ICS rom that has had no lag for me, whatsoever, and has excellent battery performance. I am speaking from my perspective, not any one else's. Phone's vary from devices to device...making a swooping claim like, "all ics roms are buggy and lag" is just silly. Just because your device lags on certain roms, doesn't mean that the performance of the rom is reflected by your experience.
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Not true, actually.
1. I have over 150 apps on my phone right now
2. I certainly do. Lots of streaming, DLing, gaming, messaging, emailing, etc
3. I have most all my settings enabled atm, only thing I don't have is a pretty live wallpaper lol (but occasionally I do turn one on for a few weeks)
4. And that would be?
I get nearly 2 days worth of battery on ICS Zen with the stock battery.
That was day one of my flash, and I didn't use my phone very much as you can see...but even still, it had good life on the first day...the battery life has improved substantially since then (as it tends to once the rom settles) Now, I am constantly using my phone, and I can "usually" get about 36-38 hours on one charge.
It's the only ICS rom that has had no lag for me, whatsoever, and has excellent battery performance. I am speaking from my perspective, not any one else's. Phone's vary from devices to device...making a swooping claim like, "all ics roms are buggy and lag" is just silly. Just because your device lags on certain roms, doesn't mean that the performance of the rom is reflected by your experience.
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Yea sorry.....ICS Zen is awesome for me as well....most of the other still not for me.
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Xenoism said:
Not true, actually.
1. I have over 150 apps on my phone right now
2. I certainly do. Lots of streaming, DLing, gaming, messaging, emailing, etc
3. I have most all my settings enabled atm, only thing I don't have is a pretty live wallpaper lol (but occasionally I do turn one on for a few weeks)
4. And that would be?
I get nearly 2 days worth of battery on ICS Zen with the stock battery.
That was day one of my flash, and I didn't use my phone very much as you can see...but even still, it had good life on the first day...the battery life has improved substantially since then (as it tends to once the rom settles) Now, I am constantly using my phone, and I can "usually" get about 36-38 hours on one charge.
It's the only ICS rom that has had no lag for me, whatsoever, and has excellent battery performance. I am speaking from my perspective, not any one else's. Phone's vary from devices to device...making a swooping claim like, "all ics roms are buggy and lag" is just silly. Just because your device lags on certain roms, doesn't mean that the performance of the rom is reflected by your experience.
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Tbh.though, i dont see how a rom would lag for one phone and not on another... makes.little sense tto me.
And i havent tried.zen.but.is it really that different from passion?
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younix258 said:
Tbh.though, i dont see how a rom would lag for one phone and not on another... makes.little sense tto me.
And i havent tried.zen.but.is it really that different from passion?
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Hardware varies greatly from one device to the next...thats why some people can undervolt crazy values, and others can undervolt very little....same with overvolting and everything in between.
And, I ran passion for a few months....Zen is like a new experience in my opinion.
Yea I couldn't under volt past -25 else it froze
Formerly: X-Ray USSR (Un-Scientific Study of ROMs)
Update: Background of the tests moved to the lower post. First post contains only the results and analysis.
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Update: 18th September
Added 2 new ROMs - Jelly Sandwich 5 and GxG Jellybread
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Update: 10th September
Added 3 new ROMs - Jelly Sandwich 5.1, Superleggera, and Flylight
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Remarks
Ice Cream Purenesss Build 11
Switching to Airplane mode switched of WiFi
No 'clear' to remove all notifications at once
Uninstalling apps shows a dirty error - android.process.acore has stopped
JJ's Hybrid 3.3b
Antutu benchmarks terminated prematurely twice and the phone was running quite hot
After initial caching and media scanning, the ROM sped up incredibly
Xperia Stock 587
<didn't take down any notes for this>
Xperia Stock 587 (minus bloatware)
There still seems to be bloatware after the bloatware remover is applied - so there is more potential to gain performance
Rayonium ICS v6.2
<no notes here too>
Rayonium ICS v7
Credential manager stopped during one uninstallation, and keeps occurring during apps usage
Feels laggy while using - can't validate for sure
MIUI v4 2.8.17 (NeilDownx)
Great usability. While it seems to be laggy at times, it is not, as the results show
FXP 134 CM9
For some reason, graphics performance doesn't seem to be great though the CPU performance is top notch.
Even using the latest Adreno ICS / JB drivers is not helping
Jelly Sandwich 5
Similar installer like KA21. However looks a lot more customizable - gives you so many customizing options that I was almost lost.
I gather this is what is the Aroma installer. (Can compare this installer to others like -> Mandriva to Slackware Linux)
Ewwww.... bootanimation is gross -> needs a change first if I stick to this ROM
GXG Jellybread
Oh well, it is still Gingerbeard. Never going to be my long(er) term ROM. GB just feels so outdated now after ICS and performance was not so great that it could win me over.
Superleggera V3 ICS
Incredible graphics performance in Antutu. Literally blew everything else out of the water. The first time I have seen the knights scene touch 50fps, and this thing went on till 60fps.
Flylight ICS
Camera takes very fuzzy shots. First focus is slow, and then subsequent focus are quick.
Jelly Sandwich 5.1
This ROM is so much better than its last version. Looks like something to do with the drivers.
The camera seems a tad faster, but I get this feeling that there is some sort of IO issue on the ROM.
On Antutu, the IO scores were quite low and pulled the overall scores down. Also while taking burst shots on the camera, there was a feeling that it as struggling after 3-4 shots - looked like write delays
And as far as bootimages go, this is clean and professional
KA21
Easily the awesomest installation procedure/UI of any ROM that I have seen to date (my first experience with Aroma). The ROM felt very laggy.
KA21 Barebones
Even the barebones version of KA21 feels very laggy and is just not able to multitask
Analysis, Background and Testing Process
Analysis
After all the tests, it turns out that good ol' CM ROMs are still the best. CM9 is quite awesome on this phone and my primary 'focus' - the camera runs the best and fastest on CM9/FXP. Only trouble was with the graphics benchmarks - it performed well on some and not so well on others. Wonder why? Even the latest graphics drivers did not help.
I thought MiUI ROMs are heavy, but surprisingly it performed rather well. So did the stock ROMs though it had a lot of bloatware. I guess that the stock ROMs are highly optimized since they are made for the phone in the first place.
On the other hand, a ROM that had been quite hyped - KA21 quite simply sucked. And not just with Benchmarks, but it was just plain unusable and was all laggy and slow. I couldn't even go through with the tests and got fed up midway through.
What was interesting was on that on a whole all ROMs behaved almost the same. So its just a matter of preference whether you install a lot o 3rd party apps - then you need the ones with higher internal memory free after installation. Also, with 3rd party apps - like music, browser, movies etc. behave almost exactly the same - which is why you see it grayed out. The difference between the ROMs seemed to be in how efficient their media scanner and IO throughput was. After the first few runs of each app, the next runs were pretty much identical. So when your app is already buffered, then subsequent access is superfast.
Unfortunately subsequent accesses are limited by the amount of free RAM. And some heavy ROMs here leave very little free RAM to the apps. This is where you need a good balance of free ROM and good memory management in the ROMs.
The best balance that I found - for my needs, was FXP/CM9 and I am sticking to that.
All in all, it will just come down to personal preference of look and feel - whether someone prefers Sony's look, or stock Android's look,or MiUI's convenience and ease of use.
18th September:
I added a couple more ROMs to the mix. I tried the much demanded Jelly Sandwich - it felt nice and looked very promising, but somehow did not deliver. I had a lot of expectations from this ROM. Benchmark scores turned out quite pathetic and this ROM ranks among the low ones. I felt so bad that I even tried a barebones version by removing almost everything and choosing the lightest components but performance did not improve significantly enough even to pull it from the orange or yellow band to one band higher.
I also benchmarked a gingerbread ROM, but even that did not deliver to my expectation. Looks like some of the best ROMs are the ICS roms. In fact I even tried a JB rom, but most of it did not work and I just did not continue with the benchmarking.
20th September:
Looks like some new ICS GPU drivers are doing the rounds. I've never seen the Ray pull off such great FPSes before. Flylight has got the best driver yet, hope it rubs off on the others.
Background
I had thought of starting off a new thread for a personal comparison that I am doing. I felt this would benefit others as well who loves playing around with ROMs, or who is looking for a ROM that suits their needs on paper.
I have tried out almost all ROMs on the forum for the Xperia Ray and like a spoilt child, I am never satisfied with any one. Probably the longest that I have had one is for 2 weeks. When I think back, I realize that most ROMs were chucked away - primarily because of boredom; but an other reason was that the performance deteriorated or I was not able to play some touted games.
I have now settled down to the following facts
1. Xperia Ray is not meant to play games (debatable - but that's my stand)
2. If you fill the last MB on the phone with apps, the performance is bound to drop
So, I have decided to do a un-scientific study of the various ROMs that are currently there to decide on one ROM and settle on it for a while (1-2 months at least :silly: )
The control device is my 5 month old Ray. It has a 16GB Class 10 card. The kernel is a XRay v7.3.431 overclocked to 1.4GHz. (the only exception would probably be the FXP ROMs which comes with its own kernel and I don't suppose it runs on the XRay)
The device will have a factory reset, all possible wipes, all possible formats, before installing the ROM and taking readings. There will be some measurements, some benchmarks, and some 'feeling' measurements. Nothing will be installed other than the benchmark tools and I will remove all apps from the recently-run apps before taking each measurement.
Testing Process
The setup of the phone is as follows for the tests
Preparation
1. Factory reset
2. Wipe cache
3. Wipe dalvik
4. Format system
5. Format data
6. Format cache
ROM Installation
1. Install ROM
2. Install any dependent patches
3. Flash compatible Kernel (if required, else stick to XRay 7.3.431)
4. Do initial setup - without using a google account
5. Overclock to 1.4GHz (use built in configuration, or install No-Frills CPU)
6. Set CPU Governer = SmartAssV2, IO Scheduler = noop (where possible)
7. Let phone rest for 5 minutes
8. Switch on WiFi
9. Activate GPS and location usage
10. Switch on installation from unknown sources
11. Add a google account and sync only browser and contacts
12. Let phone rest for 5 minutes after sync is complete
13. Go into Airplane mode
14. Keep charger plugged in
15. Start tests
Tests
1. Unload all apps from recent apps
2. Install app for testing (other than stock or whatever exists on the phone)
3. Run tests
4. Uninstall app
5. Repeat for next test
Note: All apps (for testing loading times) are opened once to dismiss off with popups and notifications and so that any caching and optimization can be done. They are then unloaded and tests are started. Theory is that the user is concerned with the speed of loading for commonly used apps, so they would have been opened many times and optimized/cached.
Q: Is there a way to integrate the google docs spreadsheet inline in this forum? Will make my life that much easier. Or at least a way to embed a HTML table into this post?
Good luck.. I've tried them all (unlocked bootloaders).
And there isn't better combination than
Kernel: Aire V2 + initd
Rom: RayoniumICS 6.2 (just because i don't like nxt pack)
stebenwulf said:
Good luck.. I've tried them all (unlocked bootloaders).
And there isn't better combination than
Kernel: Aire V2 + initd
Rom: RayoniumICS 6.2
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well could you post a simple step by step walkthrough to achieving this result...
rom study?
i figured (using gxg jellybread right now) that my ram is getting less.
after flashing and using some certain apps my complete ram was about 300mb, after restoring my (about 200, lot of games) via apk-installer, my ram (as you can check via applications -> running services) went down to about 220-230mb
how is that possible? i dont get it.
with ics i did not have this problem (afair) but ics is too slow for the ray imho.
JB is fun, but it is still in infancy. I wouldn't use it as my daily ROM yet. So I will stick to ICS comparisons for now, and will add JB as the ROMs get more stable. I could have added GB to the comparison too, but then GB is soo boring that I wouldn't want to have it around on my phone for even a while.
geekoo said:
JB is fun, but it is still in infancy. I wouldn't use it as my daily ROM yet. So I will stick to ICS comparisons for now, and will add JB as the ROMs get more stable. I could have added GB to the comparison too, but then GB is soo boring that I wouldn't want to have it around on my phone for even a while.
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jellybean is not ready for daily use yet, i agree. the rom (the android version) i was talking about was gingerbreaed.
gxg jellybread is just a gb-rom that looks a little bit like jellybean, nothing more, but its still gingerbread
yeah, gb might be "boring", but its the fastest and fulliest functional rom you can get for ray right now.
if this weird ram-issue wouldnt occur i wrote about...
i am currently using Paranoid Android v1.4.1 (ICS Version) and right now, i am pretty satisfied.. it's smooth enough for daily use..
i used 2 extra apps..
automemory killer pro - set to extreme
ram manager pro - set to hard gaming
cpu governor - performance
max- 1ghz
min- 158mhz
this is the result of using FPS2D..
Updated the charts with my measurements and comments. Hope you find this useful if you are looking for a new ROM.
Nice thread, I really like the evidence-based, unbiased methods. As a scientist myself this is important in any comparison This was something I was contemplating doing myself - now I don't have to!
thanks for the chart
I think I will still stick with JJ's 3.3b
JJ's may not be the fastest rom but it still on the fast side and offer a lot feature too.
And I modded the hell out of this so I will miss my mod when install other rom.
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thanks for the chart
I think I will still stick with JJ's 3.3b
JJ's may not be the fastest rom but it still on the fast side and offer a lot feature too.
And I modded the hell out of this so I will miss my mod when install other rom.
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Oh, JJ is definitely one of the fastest ROMs there. In fact JJ, Stock, and FXP are almost on par (what's 1 or 2 points?) In fact the only thing that let JJ down was the amount of free RAM. Other than that, in the benchmarks, it was indeed consistently the fastest ROM.
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Nice thread, I really like the evidence-based, unbiased methods. As a scientist myself this is important in any comparison This was something I was contemplating doing myself - now I don't have to!
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Thanks
Spent almost a week without a life getting this chart ready - wiping, rewiping, installing, uninstalling, measuring etc etc
Did you uninstalled the bloatware from stock ROM using any automatic bloatware removal tool or uninstalled the applications manually?
According to my experience : after I removed bloatware one by one using 'root uninstaller' the free internal memory became 332 MB. (I removed facebook inside xperia, google maps, talkback etc also)
and before i started installing the applications and mods the the free RAM was around 200 - 195 MB.
I can play most of the games (which are playable on Ray) very smoothly.
The last game I played was NFS hot persuit. The graphics ran super smooth, but the sound sometimes become choppy though.
I actually don't see a very big reason to jump from stock ROM 4.1.B.0.587 (minus bloatware, plus some of the very very useful mods and tweaks available in this forum) to a custom ROM.
Some people may have different views. I respect their views, but for me, I am happy with 4.1.B.0.587
Really nice thread
By Rizal Lovins [email protected]"Love Indonesia"
JJ's is the best .. at least for me
i've been flashing different rom, but i been missing the GB experience.. GxG's Jellybread is quite amazing for it's ICS-GB-JB experience.. but it's actually GB. i haven't tried the new stock 587 though, because of your chart i can see the performance increase with the new stock.. i will give it a try thanks mate..
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Did you uninstalled the bloatware from stock ROM using any automatic bloatware removal tool or uninstalled the applications manually?
According to my experience : after I removed bloatware one by one using 'root uninstaller' the free internal memory became 332 MB. (I removed facebook inside xperia, google maps, talkback etc also)
and before i started installing the applications and mods the the free RAM was around 200 - 195 MB.
I can play most of the games (which are playable on Ray) very smoothly.
The last game I played was NFS hot persuit. The graphics ran super smooth, but the sound sometimes become choppy though.
I actually don't see a very big reason to jump from stock ROM 4.1.B.0.587 (minus bloatware, plus some of the very very useful mods and tweaks available in this forum) to a custom ROM.
Some people may have different views. I respect their views, but for me, I am happy with 4.1.B.0.587
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can i ask for the list of playable games the run in your stock 587? i would be thankful for that
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Did you uninstalled the bloatware from stock ROM using any automatic bloatware removal tool or uninstalled the applications manually?
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I used just the automatic bloatware removing tool that knight has posted on the forum. I have mentioned in the comments in the chart there is still so much scope to remove bloatware, so obviously a lot more space and memory could be freed up.
I think Sony has done quite a good job with their ROM - not considering the bloatware.
Do you really prefer the CM9 camera instead of SE stock camera?
can you test Jellysandwich Mr. Tapa ROM