Forgive me, but I've been reading and haven't figured out whether or not downgrading from 1.5 to 1.4 is actually needed or what the benefits are. I'm new to the 3D, but not to android, flashing, or unlocking..I just can't seem to find (I'm sure the info is here somewhere) what the difference and advantages/disadvantages between the two. I'm perfectly comfortable downgrading, so I'm just looking for some input.
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Downgrading gives you the ability to have s-off, meaning you are fully rooted and unlocked, meaning you can flash roms and kernels through recovery without using a workaround. You can also flash radios as well.
As always it will give you the ability to flash custom rom's and kernal's as you stated in your post you find out where to start and I suggest you Google rootevo3dnew and its for people that has hboot 1.50 and he makes it very easy to understand and he even makes utube instruction on how to do it thats what I used and I had unlocked bootloader and flashed a custom Rom in less then 15 minutes and he also shows you how to down grade your hboot aswell here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
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sitlet said:
Downgrading gives you the ability to have s-off, meaning you are fully rooted and unlocked, meaning you can flash roms and kernels through recovery without using a workaround. You can also flash radios as well.
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From what I hear, 4ext (see my sig) works great for people on hboot 1.5 with HTC unlock. Having said that, I downgraded and am glad I did. It got the blood pumping and taught me a lot about rooting.
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well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
I recommend buying the 4EXT application. Upgrade to a the latest version with smartflash and you can load new roms without using fastboot and a PC. Best money I have spent on an app.
mulhiny said:
well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
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The bricking is the hardest part. Everyones phone is a lol different. Mine was a three second pull for instance. But having s-off is much better. I was unlocked but I was one of the first ones to downgrade . Since then it has been greatly streamlined. Don't give up
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mulhiny said:
well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
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I must have been lucky with that. Mine bricked second attempt (and first attempt I had forgotten to take out the battery, derp). I used a second hand on my clock to time exactly five seconds and it worked. But, as I (and others) have said, 4ext Recovery allows you to flash the ROM and kernel together, so S-Off is not as necessary. Unless of course, you want to flash an ICS ROM...
Just keep your Hboot 1.5. It's not that big of a deal to me because I am used to using the 'workarounds'.
Evo 3d FTW
mpgrimm2 said:
Some additional info for u I had posted for someone else.
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock"(I have a specific Hboot 1.50 Guide posted here & at sdx):
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (Hboot 1.50) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty".
2) Downgrade Bootloader from Hboot 1.50 to 1.40:
This is a recent development by Unknownforce in the last few weeks. Basically involves corrupting the flashing process of the RUU by removing power in the middle of the flash and "bricking it" (more like mostly bricked). It forces the phone into a special eMMC Download mode that can only be fixed by pushing the older bootloader to the phone from a Linux pc. Good thing is that Closeone has a Linux LiveCD.iso that you copy to a USB Drive or CD and temporarily boot to a custom Linux Interface specifically set up for flashing the bootloader.
Once that's done, you rerun an earlier RUU (compatible with Hboot 1.40) to get the phone working fully, then root via "Revolutionary's site" (another fastboot/adb rooting tool) to get S-Off (Full root), load a recovery, update the radio, then you can flash roms & kernels like normal
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I'm on HBOOT 1.5 and have unlocked my phone the HTC unlock method and from what I've read and understand the only drawback is that I have to use fastboot in order to write to the boot area and properly flash a ROM (which I have done many times and am very familiar with the process), or I can just use the Flash Image GUI app (which I have also used many times). Are there other restrictions I'm not aware of?
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I'm on HBOOT 1.5 and have unlocked my phone the HTC unlock method and from what I've read and understand the only drawback is that I have to use fastboot in order to write to the boot area and properly flash a ROM (which I have done many times and am very familiar with the process), or I can just use the Flash Image GUI app (which I have also used many times). Are there other restrictions I'm not aware of?
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Nope, not that bad at all as far as I can tell. I'm running CM9 and love it
like it was my wife. I couldn't care less about more time in the command
prompt because if you don't use it you loose it. My 3D with HB 1.5 has ICS
port and my wife's fully rooted 4G doesn't so I'm feeling pretty good about
my HB 1.5 3D right now!
I don't have hboot 1.5 but I think you can use boot manager also which let's you install multiple roms on your ad card and let's you boot into them.
I blame 1.5hboot HTC method for random reboots and soft freezes
No issues with hboot 1.5 No reboots no nothing just some minor steps when it comes to flashing.
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Don't you guys have to be connected to a computer in order to flash a rom?
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Don't you guys have to be connected to a computer in order to flash a rom?
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not with flash gui
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Don't you guys have to be connected to a computer in order to flash a rom?
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nope just flash in recovery. if the rom has a custom kernel i just use flash img gui and it extracts the kernel and flashes it for you the just reboot in to recovery and flash the rom.
the only thing with 1.5 is we can't flash radios or splash screens.
Excellent. I thought you guys had to go through an elaborate process to install a Rom.
No, not really. Also, intentional brick method ftw.
there are many customization optiom option just like changing splash screen, cpu overclock, and many more for advance user.
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No, not really. Also, intentional brick method ftw.
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I seen that method not a total brick tho if you do brick your phone it will behave like one no power. Dead
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stevestone said:
there are many customization optiom option just like changing splash screen, cpu overclock, and many more for advance user.
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I could already do an overclocked CPU with HBOOT 1.5, so I'm sure I could do the other things you mentioned also. Where can I find splash screens for the EVO 3D? I just did the HBOOT downgrade here because I like a challenge, not because I think I needed to. My wife is still on HBOOT 1.5. I'm just not sure having HBOOT 1.5 is really that bad a thing. I don't think there is anything you can't do with HBOOT 1.5 execpt that you need to use the computer or flash image gui.
EDIT: Oh and I never had any reboot issues or whatnot as someone else associated with HBOOT 1.5. Not that I ever noticed.
hboot 1.5 is not all that bad for your average user.
For "power users" it is a nightmare because it makes it a pain to flash kernels. Okay, maybe not a pain, but still. We like more control over our devices to be able to flash things where ever we'd like. Also, HTC's unlock makes the bootloader unable to accept PG86IMG.zips, which means flashing them via bootloader doesn't work. What does that mean? No "all-in-one" firmware update packages when new software versions are released. Lastly, no splash screen flashing. While this isn't a big deal, it still allows one to further customize their device.
I for one am very happy to be back on eng hboot 1.04 and thanks to the efforts of Unknownforce and everyone involved, this got made possible and for power users, it will make phone exchanges less of a risk.
I dont know... I dont really see the differences
For me personally, yes, its a terrible curse on my phone. For one, I couldn't change that super bright HTC splash screen, also I couldn't make or restore a nandroid backup unless I was fastbooted into recovery, which means I had to be at my computer. Fastbooting into recovery was just a command away, and id unplug from the computer right after booting to recovery so that I wasn't stuck at the computer, but still, I had to have a comp. Lastly, I use boot manager so if I switch roms and it wouldn't boot, I have to flash to the boot partition, which means I had to be at a comp. That happened at work and I was without a phone all day. I was spoiled with s-off on my EVO 4g so its really hard to get used to the HTC unlock. Thankfully, I downgraded and I'm now s-off, and loving it.
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For me personally, yes, its a terrible curse on my phone. For one, I couldn't change that super bright HTC splash screen, also I couldn't make or restore a nandroid backup unless I was fastbooted into recovery, which means I had to be at my computer. Fastbooting into recovery was just a command away, and id unplug from the computer right after booting to recovery so that I wasn't stuck at the computer, but still, I had to have a comp. Lastly, I use boot manager so if I switch roms and it wouldn't boot, I have to flash to the boot partition, which means I had to be at a comp. That happened at work and I was without a phone all day. I was spoiled with s-off on my EVO 4g so its really hard to get used to the HTC unlock. Thankfully, I downgraded and I'm now s-off, and loving it.
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Does the cwm recovery not allow you to make and restore backups normally then?
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Does the cwm recovery not allow you to make and restore backups normally then?
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A nandroid backs up your boot partition, and when u restore, it writes to boot partition. With htcdev unlock u can't do that unless you fastboot (from comp) to recovery.
And this is kinda weird, but good, with htcdev unlock, cwm wouldn't let my phone charge with power off. Now that I'm 1.4 s-off. It will. Charged all night with power off.
Easy adb and a computer Your all set . Root is easy. Swapping kernels is fine too. Stock kernel isn't bad .
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A nandroid backs up your boot partition, and when u restore, it writes to boot partition. With htcdev unlock u can't do that unless you fastboot (from comp) to recovery.
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I don't see what the problem is. Can you not keep the boot partition the same when backing up and restoring? It never stopped me doing anything when I had an S-On Wildfire S
Hey guys,
I'm new to things here. I have done a lot of experimenting though before I'm posting this... and have read A TON of forums trying to find the answers,
I unlocked my Tbolt's bootloader through the HTC method, I've been trying to load CM7, VIRUS, and MIUI rom's and they'll load up into the boot image but will just cycle there and won't go on into the UI.
I've flashed CWK recovery and SU so I don't know why they're not flashing...
The only ROM that I've had success with is the Thunderstick but I don't really like this ROM it's too close to the HTC gingerbread sence
if anyone has any ideas of how I can get CM7 or a VIRUS ROM on my phone please help!!!
Thank you in advanced!!!
The problem you have is because you used the HTC dev unlock method which unlocks the bootloader it leaves you s on. You can't flash custom kernels in recovery with s on which is why you aren't able to boot those roms. Try downloading 4ext recovery. It has a built in tool to flash custom kernels even with s on.
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RMseth said:
...and have read A TON of forums trying to find the answers ... I unlocked my Tbolt's bootloader through the HTC method
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As noted, HTC's tool is certainly deceiving to users looking to "root" their phones. You need "S-OFF" status in order to flash 3rd-party ROMs. I presume you can obtain S-OFF using numerous non-HTC ways. I know that the revolutionary.io method no longer works if your phone has a newer software version of 605.5 - HTC patched the flaw that was being exploited.
yah it's really deceiving... if I would have know this I would have used another way to gain root... but oh well I'll be trying that 4ext recovery control and see if that will work for me THANK YOU!!!
what ROM's have guys been using that you really like for your TBolt?
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yah it's really deceiving... if I would have know this I would have used another way to gain root... but oh well I'll be trying that 4ext recovery control and see if that will work for me THANK YOU!!!
what ROM's have guys been using that you really like for your TBolt?
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So far my two favorites are Killasense and iKream. I really like Thundershed but I couldn't get past some very minor issues with it. Here soon you may see something from me.....
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so I tried flashing 4ext I like it a WHOLE lot better then CWK but the setting that you were talking about with the S-on... it says it's not available for my device.... do ether of you know why that would be? do I need to go in and fix a permission or something...
I tried flashing a ROM that was giving me problems before but it still just loads into the boot.img and then just runs the cycle over and over again.
4ext probably uses the "zerg" exploit which HTC and other manufacturers have patched on various phones, but not all. On the TBolt, for example, I'm not aware of how to gain S-OFF if you're on a s/w version higher than 605.5.
I thought you could downgrade and use the revolutionary tool to unlock and gain s off. After you installed 4ext did you run the app before you restarted and booted into recovery. The first thing it asks is if you have s off. When you select no it sets the recovery up to handle flashing kernels.
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I thought you could downgrade and use the revolutionary tool to unlock and gain s off.
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Sorry if that was confusing... But yes, I believe you have to downgrade to 605.5 to gain S-OFF. If you're on 605.9 or 605.19, there's no exploit that I know of. Ironically, if I recall correctly, you usually weren't able to downgrade or flash an older version but currently VZW/HTC allows it.
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
This is the General section. Refer to the Questions and Answers section. Just because you weren't rooting doesn't mean you can't post in the correct section.
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Evo3d HBoot/S-off Differences/Rooting Background Info 8-5-12
Edit: I will no longer be maintaining this post. Instead I have started a full thread to help track the changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29844067#post29844067
I've had the Evo3D for a few months now and must say I really have come to like it.
If you want root, it's a bit quirky, You basically have 3 options:
(See the Hboot 1.50 HTC Unlock Guide in my signature for info & links)
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock":
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (Hboot 1.50) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty".
2) Downgrade Bootloader from Hboot 1.50 to 1.40 (to get S-Off):
This is a recent development by Unknownforce in the last few weeks. Basically involves corrupting the flashing process of the RUU by removing power in the middle of the flash and "bricking it" (more like mostly bricked). It forces the phone into a special eMMC Download mode that can only be fixed by pushing the older bootloader to the phone from a Linux pc. Good thing is that Closeone has a Linux LiveCD.iso that you copy to a USB Drive or CD and temporarily boot to a custom Linux Interface specifically set up for flashing the bootloader.
Once that's done, you rerun an earlier RUU (compatible with Hboot 1.40) to get the phone working fully, then root via "Revolutionary's site" (another fastboot/adb rooting tool) to get S-Off (Full root), load a recovery, update the radio, then you can flash roms & kernels like normal.
My current setup (keep coming back to MeanRom):
Hboot 1.40.1100 (Downgraded)
Firmware: 2.17.651.5 (Base)
Radio: 1.06.00.1216 (from 2.17 base)
Recovery: 4ext Recovery (Fully Compatible with CWM, which was a bit buggy except for v4.0.1.4)
Rom: MeanRom ICS
kernel: atx 1.9.1
Mods: LeeDroid Tweaks CDMA, ADW_Ex Launcher, Several Apps removed with SDX Stock App Remover (posted in SDX Evo3D General section).
3) Edit: Juopunutbear's S-OFF Wire Trick:
There is a similar third option now to brick (short out pins with a wire) & replace the bootloader on 1.50 with s-off but I haven't tried it. (Must HTC Unlock first & have a rooted "Stockish" rom installed)
dmdelgado said:
I wanted to share with everyone else suffering from HBoot 1.5 that if you have been using Chads ICS Firmware fix because of constant bootloops you dont need to downgrade your HBoot to 1.4. I know every time i would flash the firmware fix it would break many bugs that had already been fixed, I had to flash it to avoid getting constant boot-loops. But Juopunutbear's Wire trick to get S-Off was a miracle fix, and after it turns S-Off it asks if you would like to install a custom Juopunutbear Hboot. After this is done you are officially on HBoot 1.5 S-Off! And can flash any ICSense ROMS successfully without having bootloops! I really hope this helps someone enjoy their ROMs that much MORE because i know it feels good TO FINALLY BE FREED FROM THE CURSE OF S-ON!
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HBoot S-Off Background Info:
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To be honest I have not considered anything about the bootloader since downgrading and getting s-Off. I will point out that us "downgraders" don't have hboot 1.40 but "Revolutionary Hboot 1.40.1100".
My understanding is that it has more functions than stock hboot 1.40/1.50 but less functions than the Engineering Hboot. Kinda like your Jbear Hboot 1.50.5050, but I could be wrong. I'm sure one of the devs like Mike, Chad, Joeykrim, xhausx, freeza, Unknownforce, Closeone, etc would know.
Hboots:____________________Differences:
1.04.xxxx ? (Eng Hboot) = Extended functions .... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.30 (Stock Hboot with 1.07.651.1 Gb) .......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40 (Stock Hboot with 1.13.651.7 Gb) ......... Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.40.1100 (incl. w/Revolutionary S-Off) ................. Appear to be incompatible with newer 2.89 based kernels
1.50 (Stock Hboot with 2.17.651.5 Gb) ........ 2.89 based kernels status unknown
1.50.5050 (incl. w/Jbear for GB S-Off) .................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.57.5757 (incl. w/Jbear for ICS S-Off) ................. May be compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels & prior fw/kernels (some reports)
1.58 (Stock Hboot with 2.89.651.2 ICS) ............. Compatible with newer 2.89 based kernels (& Vm ICS Leak), not GB based (some reports)
...............................................................................edit: Some boot issues with AOSP/AOKP roms & kernels reported (ie CM9)
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Unknownforce said:
First, keep in mind, that there are technically two S-OFF's, the hboot and the radio. This is somewhat misleading. When you're phone displays S-OFF on the hboot screen, this is actually the Radio S-OFF, not hboot S-OFF. Gaining hboot S-OFF is actually just as simple as flashing a new modified hboot. (which is why there are revo hboot and now jbear hboot, they have been modified to now have hboot S-OFF)
hboot S-OFF is almost the same as unlocking your bootloader via HTC's method. Just that HTC's method doesn't get you S-OFF and is more limited than revo/jbear S-OFF.
So a few of the the differences here are:
1.) ENG Hboot is S-OFF and offers more fastboot commands and a few more unlocked features. This is an advanced hboot that you can do serious damage to the partitions in your phone if you don't know what you're doing. It's kind of like an all access pass.
2.) The stock hboots are S-ON, they don't allow very many of the fastboot commands. These are limited to very basic fastboot commands.
3.) revo/jbear are S-OFF, they allow for many of the "standard" fastboot commands, like flashing to partitions and whatnot, but not nearly as "feature packed" as the eng hboot, these are typically enough for normal users.
As to it providing any benefit to using a newer version of hboot, the only one that provides more features is the eng hboot for more fastboot access. What this means is that there's no major feature/performance difference between 1.30 and 1.57 aside from some appearance and some security adjustments (to allow HTC Unlock and also attempt to counter the S-OFF/exploits)
As I understand it, the differences between radio S-OFF and hboot S-OFF are basically as follows:
Radio S-OFF has signature verification off, what this means is that you can flash any PG86IMG.zip and it doesn't have to be signed by HTC. This will allow it to flash just about anything from there. This is why you can revert to a lower hboot without having to do anything special when you accidentally (or purposefully) flash a new hboot over your revo or any other hboot. Radio S-OFF also doesn't check the signature of most of the current partitions (so you don't get "security warning")
hboot S-OFF allows many more of the fastboot commands to be accepted and opens up the ability to flash some of the restricted partitions from it as well.
Hope this helps clear up some confusion.
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fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846
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Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585846
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I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.
fergdogg23 said:
I am going to risk being told that I am an idiot here but I have to ask. I have had my 3D for almost a year now and I just can't take not rooting it yet! It is HBoot 1.5 and this the first smart phone I have ever had (the last 8) that I have not been flashing ROMs on. I just gave up that it will be possible but I have seen a bunch of forums on being able to do this.
My questions lie on the fact that I have a Mac and PC but no Linux system. I see the bootable CD options but not sure what is best. Either way it seems like a lot of work for a ROM but I just need to get a ROM on this damn phone! Is there any good videos? Where the hell do I even truly start. Way to many different options. I feel like a NOOB again even though I have flashed hundreds of ROMS and even cooked some back in my WinMob days!
Thanks guys for the help.
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I know exactly how you feel. I used to flash my HTC Wing all the time with Windows Mobile. Even tried my hand at cooking some roms. Coming over to Android many years later -- yeah makes you feel like a noob again.
Its not that hard really. You are already familiar with what is involved with flashing. All you have to do is take it one step at a time. Just like you did years ago with Windows Mobile. Lots of tutorials walk you right through it. After you do it, you'll look back and see how easy it really was.
You'll need to unlock your bootloader and root the phone. Once you've done that you can flash almost any rom on here. I would not go S-Off just yet. I have read that downgrading your H-Boot slows the phone way down. There really is no good way to do it with 1.5 yet. There may not ever be as Sprint stopped selling the Evo 3D and lots of people are moving on to other phones.
The night I did mine, I started at 7:00 pm and finally figured it all out and got it done it was 4:30 am.
Just have to do alot of reading. No way around that.
How does soff slow the phone?
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How does soff slow the phone?
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Just read on here, its not S-Off that slows down the phone, its the downgrade of H-Boot.
Here is the link to what I read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661709
Here is what the guy says:
frexe said:
I recently downgraded to 1.4 hboot with revolutionary s off. I then updated with Freezas AIO. And running meanrom ics 1.0 now.
The problem is that my 3g speed is at slug speeds. Ping is up at 900ish download and upload is below 100.
Before I was on hboot 1.5 2.17.651.5_Radio_1.06.00.1216 and had decent speeds.
Just wondering if someone can shed some light to this problem. Or maybe I have to go back to 1.5hboot and live without a true root.
My Phone is flashed to boost.
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iTzLOLtrain said:
I wouldnt try this.
I would first try to downgrade hboot or just unlock your hboot 1.50 and use 4ext to flash roms and flash GUI to flash kernels..
I ended up bricking my evo by using the Juopunutbear S-OFF wire trick.
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This^
Unlock and try 4ext first it will allow you to flash roms and kernels without the need to downgrade. I downgraded to hboot 1.4 because I was getting boot loops but I read that a lot of unlocked hboot 1.5 S-On people are fine so try first before going through what can be a tricky and somewhat risky process to get S-Off.
I have experienced no slowdown from downgrading and I can't see how that would have an effect but I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in if that is a factor or not.
I haven't seen any speed slow downs with Hboot 1.50 downgraded to 1.40 either. I have seen slow downs when sprint was working on tower upgrades that went away after a week or two (drove me nuts). I would point out that the person that reported downgrade "related" slow downs had flashed the phone to Boost mobile, so there's another factor to consider. Edit: Reading thru the rest of that thread proves it wasn't related to Hboot/S-off.
I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.
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I'm a bit leary on the Juno method, but I've seen references to people shorting out the pin before in lieu of a Jtag setup, so it's pretty much as sound/risky as Unknownforce's Downgrade method. Although, the hboot downgrade has a huge number of successful attempts and the handful of permabricks where because someone got in a hurry and skipped a step/didn't pay attention to what they were doing.
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Agreed.
I'll admit that the JuopunutBear (wire trick) method may look a little more risky than the HBoot 1.4 downgrade process, but I've done two Evo 3D's using a paperclip wrapped in scotch tape (not the preferred equipment) and haven't had a problem with either phone. Several of the "bricked" users have reported a USB status in Windows of "QHSUSB_DLOAD" in the HTC Unbricking Project thread and I added this post from the HTC Amaze forum to the thread which claims that status is not a real brick (if it was there wouldn't be any indication the phone was even connected in Windows) and it can be recovered using the ControlBear utility. I got no feedback from the people that were reporting that status, and the OP also indicated that the phones were probably not hard bricked.
I haven't seen any feedback from anyone with a "bricked" phone about contacting the developers via the IRC channel they advertise on their website (#juopunutbear on freenode) or PM'ing them as I suggested in the jb thread. I have only been able to identify a few users that claim to have bricked their phones via the jb method, but they seem to be posting about their negative experience with that process in many different threads.
I don't really care which method people choose to get to S-Off as they all have risks involved and it's up to each person to determine what level of risk they are willing to take. The JuopunutBear method was a lot simpler for me and I'm not convinced the risk is that high if you use the right type of wire (insulated copper wire is recommended) and follow the instructions as documented (which a lot of people don't), but that method is fairly new and I wouldn't blame people that are HBoot 1.5 S-On for waiting a little while longer to see how many more users claim to have bricked their phones with that method.
Most people can get by with HBoot 1.5 S-On using tools like 4EXT SmartFlash and Flash Image GUI, but for those that have problems with the stock ICS kernel or want to get to S-Off for other reasons, at least there are alternatives now.
ramjet73
just stay with 1.5 s-on
ive been on 1.5 for awhile with s on and it hasnt been that big of a deal. My old evo was soff and there were some nice rom switching with cwm but I uaes to use cwm to flash roms on my evo and it worked like a charm but it does not let you flash the kernal, I was having to flash kernal seperatly with flash gui which is a free download but 4xt works fine and dont have to flash kernal seperatly but eitherway is fine as I usually use specific kernals anyway. I found a routin that I am happy with and wont switch until I brick my phone or get a new one lol.
Good luck
I just bought an EVO 3D off craigslist. The phone is unlocked and working with Cricket Wireless and gonna continue using it there and not with Sprint.
When I get into the bootloader. It says *UNLOCKED* 1.5 S=ON.
I was able to get into a CWM recovery.
I think it is rooted but unsure.
Do you have an app called super user or supersu installed?
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iTzLOLtrain said:
Do you have an app called super user or supersu installed?
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I just remembered how to check. It seems I am rooted as I was able to use the SU command in terminal and I have superuser installed.
Will I be able to install roms whats all this about 1.4 downgrade and S=Off?
Jeffmeister said:
I just bought an EVO 3D off craigslist. The phone is unlocked and working with Cricket Wireless and gonna continue using it there and not with Sprint.
When I get into the bootloader. It says *UNLOCKED* 1.5 S=ON.
I was able to get into a CWM recovery.
I think it is rooted but unsure.
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No, you're not rooted. You're unlocked...which is close, but no cigar. You'll have to "relock" your phone if you want to go back to 1.4 hboot with s-off. No biggie...took me half an hour at most. Just make sure you have the files you need at hand plus the live Linux cd/dvd.
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phillip1953 said:
No, you're not rooted. You're unlocked...which is close, but no cigar. You'll have to "relock" your phone if you want to go back to 1.4 hboot with s-off. No bigger...took me half an hour at most. Just make sure you have the files you need at hand plus the lived Linux cd/dvd.
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Incorrect. He is rooted. If he has superuser installed and is able to call the su command successfully in terminal he is rooted.
私のEVO 3Dから送信される。
dastin1015 said:
Incorrect. He is rooted. If he has superuser installed and is able to call the su command successfully in terminal he is rooted.
私のEVO 3Dから送信される。
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You are correct...but it's a half-assed root.
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Will I be able to install roms whats all this about 1.4 downgrade and S=Off?
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You are rooted just fine. Never heard of half assed rooted.
The only thing is your S-On so the partition where the radio/firmware are, you won't be able to change unless you go S-Off.
To answer your question, you can still flash many roms. Some ICS roms will not work because they require the new radio and firmware. Any GB rom and many ICS you can flash right now with no problems.
If you flash the newest 4ext Recovery, it will save you from having to manually flash the boot.img file separately after you install the rom. Although flashing the boot.img through the adb fastboot is no big deal.
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You are correct...but it's a half-assed root.
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No such thing as half-assed root. Either you are rooted or not. He just has S-ON meaning he cannot flash a custom PG86IMG.zip from the bootloader. Only PG86IMG.zip that are signed by HTC. Also he is limited to which partitions he can flash to.
Being unlocked is better than being rooted. Think of it as a low-level root. Like being able to tweak your BIOS settings instead of just being the admin user of Windows.
No it sucks. I spent 3 hours in boot loops the other night because of this f**king S-ON bs. My phone will not flash ANY ICS rims and any kernel that has overclocking capabilities puts me right back in the boot loop even using adb. My Evo 4G was rooted via Revolutionary, but this S-ON sucks. I hate it, but I'm not going to brick my phone to downgrade.
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negativzeroe said:
No it sucks. I spent 3 hours in boot loops the other night because of this f**king S-ON bs. My phone will not flash ANY ICS rims and any kernel that has overclocking capabilities puts me right back in the boot loop even using adb. My Evo 4G was rooted via Revolutionary, but this S-ON sucks. I hate it, but I'm not going to brick my phone to downgrade.
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You must be mistaking. S-ON devices are really hard to brick.
If they weren't HTC would be loosing lots of money.
The least trouble you will have to go by downgrasing is having a security warming on your bootloader which can be fixed by flashing the signed PG86IMG.zip file COMPLETELY.
And FYI, Downgrading isnt the only way possible to gain S-OFF.
There's also Juopunutbear S-OFF which can be found HERE.
Which will only require you to return to stock/unlocked with root access. and a simple wire trick.
Good luck in your future bootloops though and have a nice sunny day..
Jeffmeister said:
I just remembered how to check. It seems I am rooted as I was able to use the SU command in terminal and I have superuser installed.
Will I be able to install roms whats all this about 1.4 downgrade and S=Off?
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I don't understand why some are telling JeffMeister that he is not or just half rooted. If your bootloader says "hboot 1.5 S-ON Unlocked" and you have SU installed, that means you are rooted. Sure the boot partition is read-only, but theres easy ways around it.
I've had hboot 1.5 S-ON since I had my phone. I've never felt the need to get S-OFF because there are tools to get around that now. I've been flashing ROMS back and forth using various methods with no issues. For hboot 1.5 & S-ON users, the latest and greatest is 4EXT recovery. It did an excellent job at flashing custom roms & kernels as if I was S-OFF.
I suggest you read the basics about flashing and roms first. If you do use 4EXT Recovery, make sure "4EXT Smart Flash" is enabled(it will prompt you on first use).
Hi guys.
I have recently developed a simple HTC Evo 3D Root Toolkit. This toolkit is very simple and easy to use, just follow onscreen instructions and in few clicks root your device. After rooting process you will get Unlocked Bootloader (S-OFF),Custom recovery (you can chose within cwm, cwm touch and twrp), Root access(SuperSU or Superuser app). I update this app very soon and if you see some bugs and things like that please send me a message. App is tested and you must accept the Disclaimer window. The website for this app will arrive very soon. I hope that this app will be very useful for you and if you like it click thanks button and spread the word about this project.
Code:
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Here are links so you dont need to send me PM-s
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I am not responsible for any damage to your device and bricking it...
...I've been trading PMs with ShadowGaba and this toolkit is quite worth it, actually.
For an unlock no0b such as myself, I was initially cowardly. In the end, after about 12 hours of trial-and-error, it's still absolutely worth it.
Although not entirely clear, SGs toolkit did a successful job of unlocking, installing a recovery, and installing a superuser.
Some of the steps almost felt superfluous, but SG's right; for the most part, follow the directions and you'll unlock successfully.
The only snag for me was having to switch to 4ext recovery (the toolkit offers only twrp and clockworkmod; it'd be nice if 4ext was one of the choices) in order to smartflash a ROM; only because I'm still on 1.58 hboot and S-on, post-unlocking. (Many ROMS just don't flash properly because of the 1.58 hboot and S-on; besides, many posts recommended 4ext recovery in smartflash mode to properly load ROMs, anyhow.)
Although I won't be enjoying any JB ROMs until I wire-trick my way to S-off and/or downgrade my hboot, I am currently enjoying Nega-Lite's Blu-Rom 2.95.651.5 immensely, without fail.
The battery-life and the smoothness are incredibly slick and worth it to flash to from my God-awful, battery-draining, store-bought VM JB OS.
I personally think I'm resourceful enough to get through any snags in the toolkit process, but ShadowGaba was well on-hand and curious to know if I unlocked successfully.
To the fearful, I'm sure SG would help out if you're stuck.
If you're questioning whether or not to unlock, I say go for it; so many delicious ROMs for your HTC EVO 3D await your discovery.
Cheers, ShadowGaba.
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I will soon update this toolkit, but unfortunately 4ext recovery can ony be installed with Recovery Control. This is app which you can download from google play.
Can u send me the link
SENT FROM MY STOCKED OUT EVO 3D(PLEASE SOM1 HELP ME A.S.A.P)
Important Note
After Unlocking bootloader using this toolkit you will be able to flash custom roms, but not the custom kernels.
But, using one simple trick you can flash custom kernels:
1.Boot into recovery using fastboot or using HTC Dumlock
For any other info, stay tuned in this thread.
Flashing 4ext recovery
I was searching around and i found way to flash a 4ext recovery.
Install .apk from attachment to your device or download the app from google play.
Flash 4ext with this app.
meatfest1974 said:
...I've been trading PMs with ShadowGaba and this toolkit is quite worth it, actually.
For an unlock no0b such as myself, I was initially cowardly. In the end, after about 12 hours of trial-and-error, it's still absolutely worth it.
Although not entirely clear, SGs toolkit did a successful job of unlocking, installing a recovery, and installing a superuser.
Some of the steps almost felt superfluous, but SG's right; for the most part, follow the directions and you'll unlock successfully.
The only snag for me was having to switch to 4ext recovery (the toolkit offers only twrp and clockworkmod; it'd be nice if 4ext was one of the choices) in order to smartflash a ROM; only because I'm still on 1.58 hboot and S-on, post-unlocking. (Many ROMS just don't flash properly because of the 1.58 hboot and S-on; besides, many posts recommended 4ext recovery in smartflash mode to properly load ROMs, anyhow.)
Although I won't be enjoying any JB ROMs until I wire-trick my way to S-off and/or downgrade my hboot, I am currently enjoying Nega-Lite's Blu-Rom 2.95.651.5 immensely, without fail.
The battery-life and the smoothness are incredibly slick and worth it to flash to from my God-awful, battery-draining, store-bought VM JB OS.
I personally think I'm resourceful enough to get through any snags in the toolkit process, but ShadowGaba was well on-hand and curious to know if I unlocked successfully.
To the fearful, I'm sure SG would help out if you're stuck.
If you're questioning whether or not to unlock, I say go for it; so many delicious ROMs for your HTC EVO 3D await your discovery.
Cheers, ShadowGaba.
Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using xda app-developers app
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Okay meatfest. To get S-OFF you must downgrade hboot to 1.49 and use revolutionary to gain S-OFF.
I will explain why your bootloader says Unlocked and S-ON. HTC has modified new devices HBOOT-s, in other words , they have prohibited flashing custom kernels and some roms to your and mine device. So you have couple solutions:
1.Downgrade HBOOT and gain Revolutionary S-OFF
2.Use HTC Dumlock
3.Flash 4ext recovery
4.Boot into recovery using fastboot and flash ...
Thank you for replying and asstance,
Kind regards, Gabrijel
it can root official 4.0.3
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very great: the instructions on the right
HTC Unlock does not work on my phone
Hi, I have hboot 1.58 and software 2.95 and the HTC Dev Unlock method does not work for my phone. The commands go thru but the phone never switches to the Unlock Screen. Do you know of a way to unlock without using the HTC Unlock method??
mtbierkan said:
Hi, I have hboot 1.58 and software 2.95 and the HTC Dev Unlock method does not work for my phone. The commands go thru but the phone never switches to the Unlock Screen. Do you know of a way to unlock without using the HTC Unlock method??
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Yes, downgrade hboot and use this toolkit or revolutionary
S-OFF without Unlocking?
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Yes, downgrade hboot and use this toolkit or revolutionary
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I have not found a guide that explains how to downgrade without getting S-OFF and using the HTC DEV unlock.
mtbierkan said:
I have not found a guide that explains how to downgrade without getting S-OFF and using the HTC DEV unlock.
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Use WireTrick (JoupanauntBear S-OFF)
When I run the file it says "this not a valid Win32 application"
mtbierkan said:
Hi, I have hboot 1.58 and software 2.95 and the HTC Dev Unlock method does not work for my phone. The commands go thru but the phone never switches to the Unlock Screen. Do you know of a way to unlock without using the HTC Unlock method??
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I ran into the same issue with mine. The issue in my case it was the adb files needed to generate the code to unlock it per the HTC unlock method. The adb files I used (as I am sure you did the same) was part of some package that included it. So I decided to just download the adt-bundle-windows-x86_64-20131030 and executed the CMD prompt from adt-bundle-windows-x86_64-20131030\sdk\platform-tools. Then I followed the HTC Unlock instructions and it worked.
Files for download
Do you still have this available as when clicking link said site was not available.
Thank you for your time
looks good
Which HBOOT I need to get S-Off?
clicman said:
Which HBOOT I need to get S-Off?
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You need 1.49.xxxx for gsm device.
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For download link pls send me a message because