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Finally! And 2 days ahead of the reported date! Just in time for the Razr and Galaxy Nexus! Not to mention I have been eligible for upgrade since last week
What does this mean, and why I am stating this in the DX2 forums? Because I intend to sell my phone (as I posted before) to a deserving dev. I have a few who hit me up in my inbox already. So now it comes down to actual release dates. The moment either phone goes on pre-order I will be buying it. So to the dev's who hit me up in regards to this device, 2 questions:
1. Do you want me to send the phone in for warranty (it has some nicks and scratches around the screen), or do you want it as is? Won't make a price difference either way.
2. Do you want to make a first come first serve deposit for the phone? I am going to put a $100 price tag on it.
In order of who contacted me:
swbf2lord
Nitro
Saint Isaiah
Framework43
Kinda makes me mad. I was under the impression that 4G in our area (SB) was not at least until next year. That's why I bought the X2 instead of a 4G phone. I read an article on Broadband Reports that we were indeed getting 4G in October. Sucks now that none of our lines are eligible for an update until late 2012!
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Yea, according to what I read, it is their single biggest launch area to date. Notre Dame has had it since the start of the football season. Supposedly the tower was only supposed to be on during the game, but people as far as 20 miles away on any given day have periodically gotten the connection on their devices. It is supposed to cover South Bend, Mishawaka, Granger, Osceola, Roseland, Elkhart, Goshen, Dunlap(so I am assuming Niles, Edwardsburg, etc across the state line will get some of the bleed off).
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2011/09/pr2011-09-20g.html
SOUTH BEND, IN — T.J. Fox, Verizon Wireless region president, today announced that the company is launching the world’s first large-scale 4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) network in South Bend, Mishawaka, Granger, Elkhart, and Goshen on October 20.
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RyanThaDude said:
Kinda makes me mad. I was under the impression that 4G in our area (SB) was not at least until next year. That's why I bought the X2 instead of a 4G phone.
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I hope they don't surprise me like this too, I got x2 for same reason, but they said no 4g in my area until 2013
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Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news... lol, but it looks like they are 3-4 months ahead of schedule on their rollouts. Which, to their credit is good considering tech companies are typically late. Atleast none of us have AT&T or Sprint who I would assume are going to be buying spectrum from Verizon soon(it only makes sense to expand faster).
and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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So u felt a lag?
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So u felt a lag?
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yeah i did, but not much. i don't want ppl on here to go crazy denial on me like they did on my other post. lol
but i did feel it. but then again, i had my SGS2 oc'd to 1.5ghz. so it blew it away.
but at 1.2ghz, it was nearly the same. OG SGS2 a "little" faster.
but i was impressed. even though it has the same res as the SGS2, the screen wasn't horrible. put it like this: if you live in an LTE market and DONT have an OG SGS2 already, i'd get it. honestly.
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Even in non-LTE markets? That seems doubtful to kill your flagship after a month. They still sell terrible phones, why stop selling the arguable best phone you offer?
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pguillory08 said:
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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What is "OG" sgs2? Original?
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yeah OG is the original.
and dude idk!
i have no idea why they are going to stop selling it. it's messed up and we were all shocked about it.
they're even going to stop selling the atrix 2(which isn't great) but you get me?
i think it could only be in LTE markets, but still, it's the best phone we offer.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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whoa lol i work for best buy mobile and we haven't heard that yet if thats true damn haha can't wait to get my skyrocket
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
pguillory08 said:
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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Does the lte sgs2 have an fm radio?
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
Rrryan2 said:
This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
They don't sell the OG S2 in California corporate stores, but I don't know if the Skyrocket is the reason.
No its not. Corporate stores will only order them for you. But starting this wknd even that is going to be to an end. :/
It already sucked that they never sold em in stores. Well, corporate stores. Lol.
I've learned to be very clear around here.
Maybe they're just taking their original SGS2's and replacing them with their new LTE chip, so that way, they're not necessarily restocking or anything...
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd like to see this documentation.
pguillory08 said:
Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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I can confirm this as well. My rep told me the same thing, the SGS2 is selling very well for AT&T and there are no plans to stop selling it.
pguillory08 said:
Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd love to see this proof you speak of.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here?
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Yes, I do. Judging from your overly emotional response to posts that question the validity of your claims.
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If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
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What does pride have to do with it? They will market LTE heavily in the areas that have, but they will not discontinue a phone that sells well to force people onto LTE. The store reps will BS the consumer into thinking the LTE phone is the greatest thing in the world.
Um... When did you tell us about the skyrocket being a "wack" snapdragon? Everyone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't information from sites/press release and the fact that the phone is out in Korea indicate the specs? Also let us not forget the fact that qualcomm will not or doesn't have to capability built in to offer an LTE solution that doesn't use their chips.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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Guys
After reading the ridiculous statement from Motorola that neglecting some phones will help Motorola for its future commitments, i do believe that if moto cannot keep its promise why do we...?
Why not abandon Motorola before they kick on our a$$...
I mean if we totally oppose Motorola by closing down its all product supporting forum for other phones ... by this way people won't go for Motorola phones, seeing less possibilities. By making custom roms we are indirectly supporting it's products selling ...
Is it possible? I'm asking this because it seems like they really don't care about us... Google has just bought Motorola and now they have started showing their a$$ to us.
What you guys think?
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Guys
After reading the ridiculous statement from Motorola that neglecting some phones will help Motorola for its future commitments, i do believe that if moto cannot keep its promise why do we...?
Why not abandon Motorola before they kick on our a$$...
I mean if we totally oppose Motorola by closing down its all product supporting forum for other phones ... by this way people won't go for Motorola phones, seeing less possibilities. By making custom roms we are indirectly supporting it's products selling ...
Is it possible? I'm asking this because it seems like they really don't care about us... Google has just bought Motorola and now they have started showing their a$$ to us.
What you guys think?
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So... what youre saying... Is you want xda to close the forums of every mototola product? The best way anyone can help right now is by showing your support for the updatemymoto campaign by spreading the info out to as many social networking sites as possible and informing as many blogs and tech news sites as you can in hopes we get additional coverage.
But have you read what Motorola replied ...
I'm talking about new products which moto is going to launch ... why support their new products?
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One more thing...
How many members are we having at xda? And how many signups / votes we got? Simply count that...
Nobody is going to bother about this unless they are getting their resources without any efforts ... so i do believe that its important ...
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xda is not supporting motorola, they are supporting phone owners. Abandoning phone owners will not get back at motorola. That would only benefit motorola/sprint by keeping users within a "walled garden" of stock, unrooted software and forcing users into costly upgrades (monetization) for the latest software.
If you want to get back at motorola, and other phone/wireless companies, than dont give them any more money by keeping your phone, and get off contract (prepaid). Without a 2yr agreement, you have freedom and control.
I think this is the only option left with us....
Good bye motorola...
No more motorola...
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It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
bloodpool said:
It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
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Brother,
I'm saying this only...
Why we support their new devices... If support new devices, people will see the possibilities and might go for new motorola devices...
Less Possibilities means Less Sales...
Give it some time as both the "Support My Moto" and "Update My Moto" campaigns are only a couple days old. With the cnet coverage of the campaigns it's now spreading across multiple site and blogs. Like I said in another thread;
Moto is getting a ton of bad press over this and somewhere in a dark corner a marketing VP, accountant and investors are crying.
If you are going to abandon Moto, still file the complaints and sign the petitions via supportmymoto.com then share the *&#% out of it. This way it's double damage for Moto. If Moto won't negotiate with us and a quarter of the affected owners worldwide walk away, think lots of $$$$$$$$$$$ in loss. Moto would have a very hard time recovering from that and except for the patents, Google just lost their investment. There are also other aspects of this that I will not go into publicly.
Another reason why this could be very bad for Moto is most of the world doesn't have subsidized phones. That $549 price tag is what you actually pay. Imagine how they feel and what will happen when they really start to jump on board.
Thanks for the explanation...
I'm not going to abandon moto right now.... I've already filed complaint... So nothing to worry for me..
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Just for laughs. (actually this is an issue but it's still funny)
Am I the only one who is nonplussed about ICS? Sure, I'm bummed, I mean we've been strung on for so long with the carrot at the end of the stick.
But I know even running CM7, my photon can still kick some serious butt. It's a rock solid, powerful phone, that has done everything I have thrown at it.
Will I get another Motorola Phone? Probably not. (the only chance of me looking at one is if it is a thoroughbred Nexus)
Does that make me hate the phone I have now?
Not a chance.
Please don't get me wrong, I am supporting the campaigns to get ICS wholeheartedly, I guess I just don't have the same rage as the rest of us here.
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I strongly believe that Motorola has best hardware but it seems like they don't know how to code....
I've never ever used any other phone except motorola but I think I'll never ever use motorola....
The day they'll know this I bet motorola will beat the apple...
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It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
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You're on the right track. The best way to hurt a company is to not buy their product, or buy into their ecosystem. For your next phone, buy a used phone (meet the buyer at the carrier so you don't get stuck with a bad ESN because some loser skipped out on the bill). Buy your apps from Amazon (ugh!) or stick with free apps (Google takes a cut off Google Play). Put no money towards Google or Motorola. You can use their products as long as none of your money goes to them.
What y'all have to remember is that we are not Motorola's customers. You could make a case for yourself if you bought an official Motorola accessory, but you still don't matter as you are nonconsequential compared to the larger picture. Motorola's customers are cell carriers. All of them.
Does this look like a bleak outlook? It's not. There is one cell carrier that is willing to tell cell manufacturers to f*** off. US Cellular. When Sprint asked Motorola to lock the Photon's bootloader, Motorola capitulated with nary a whisper because Sprint is one of Motorola's biggest customers. When Apple asked US Cellular to promote the iPhone 4S over all other phones, meet their ridiculous quota, and sell the iPhone 4S with such a tiny profit margin that they'd barely be able to keep stores open, US Cellular told them to pound sand.
If you want to hurt Motorola, shouldn't we be targeting US Cellular? What if US Cellular told Motorola to pound sand. Said #MotoNoMore? It's a long shot, but US Cellular recently changed thier slogan from "Believe in something better" to "Hello better", and they also use the slogan "Goodbye neglect. Hello respect." So, given the latter, shouldn't they be saying goodbye to Motorola? And they might as well. In February, when I got my Electrify, the Electrify was the first and only Android phone by Motorola. Now they have the Defy (I have no idea but it's a cheap phone) and the Electrify 2 (Atrix HD). Electrify 2 is crap. Electrify on CM9 running Joker's 1.3 kernel outclasses it, beating its CPU by 8% (it's a 1.2GHz dual core). What if they told Motorola to take them back and not contact them again, and started offering Electrify customers a cheap upgrade to a better, non-Motorola phone... like the Galaxy S3 or Note 2? I highly doubt it, but what if? That would hurt Motorola more than *anything* we could do.
Anyway, that's just a wild idea. I don't think US Cellular cares quite as much as they let on. But hey, if they did that, wouldn't it be awesome?
Bock Abrams said:
Am I the only one who is nonplussed about ICS? Sure, I'm bummed, I mean we've been strung on for so long with the carrot at the end of the stick.
But I know even running CM7, my photon can still kick some serious butt. It's a rock solid, powerful phone, that has done everything I have thrown at it.
Will I get another Motorola Phone? Probably not. (the only chance of me looking at one is if it is a thoroughbred Nexus)
Does that make me hate the phone I have now?
Not a chance.
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It's not losing out on an official ICS release that creates the resentment. At least not for me. I agree with you, I love my photon even without ICS or JB. For me the "rage" comes from two fronts:
1. PRINCIPLE: Companies do not get to make publicized announcements regarding future plans for current products obviously geared toward marketing said products in the present, then renege on those plans once they feel marketing said products is no longer necessary. They must be held to some set of standards.
2. PROFITEERING: Motorola put in time and effort to actively lockout owners of these devices from community development thus theoretically ensuring these customers would be forced into purchasing new hardware if they wished to run the latest software, even though the current hardware was not outdated and would fully support the latest software.
It's mostly the second one that gets steam shooting out of my ears.
Stop buying anything motorola and they will go out of business.
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Stop buying anything motorola and they will go out of business.
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Agreed...
Say no to Motorola...
If they don't want to release ICS/JB, they are free to do so but they did totally malpractice... First they spread wrong information to general public about upgrade and cleared up all the stock of phones with free giveaway of car dock. When they are done, they screwed us...
They think they are smart enough but Motorola waste most of its precious time in security features and screwing customers....
They released 2.3.4, devs unlocked bootloader as well as rooted the phone..
They released 2.3.5 not for enhancements but to lock bootloader only... Intention is to stop people for making such things...
They forgot that the phone that can easily be unlocked and customized are the most successful ones and most sold ones too.... But Motorola has standards like screwing own loyal customers... If they don't follow this how can they be Motorola....
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/2...-against-htc-one-over-duplicated-microphones/
As if the HTC One hasn’t seen enough setbacks already before its launch, a new court ruling against HTC in the Netherlands looks to make it even worse. Nokia has been awarded a preliminary injunction against the HTC One centering around high-amplitude microphones that are found in the phone. The microphones found inside the One are the exact same as the mics found in the Lumia 720, and that is no good for HTC.
The same company makes the microphones for HTC and Nokia, but Nokia says that the components of these mics in particular were made specifically for Nokia. While this could be a mistake on HTC’s part, it could have been the fault of the microphone manufacturer in this case. In the meantime the One is facing more setbacks.
HTC says they are “disappointed” in the decision from the court and that they will “explore alternate solutions immediately.”
Existing phones using the components face no sales ban
Dutch courts find HTC 'blameless' in Nokia's microphone dispute, but sales of offending parts halted for six months
The full details have emerged about yesterday's actions in the Netherlands, where a court was said to have handed down a preliminary injunction against the HTC one on behalf of Nokia. According to the district court filing, the courts have imposed a 10-month ban on ST Microelectronics selling any of the dual-membrane microphone pieces that were designed and co-developed by Nokia. Apparently, some miscommunication led ST Micro to believe that the exclusivity agreement for Nokia was only six months, when it was actually 12. As a penalty the terms were extended a further six months, during which time ST Micro is not allowed to sell the parts to anyone other than Nokia.
We don't make this up, we just report it.
The courts found HTC "blameless", as they could not know the details of a confidential agreement between Nokia and ST Micro, and they face no penalties. Nor are their products banned in the Netherlands or anywhere else. They will not be allowed to source the components from ST Micro for six months, though -- which could easily lead to supply issues and expensive re-engineering for future HTC One shipments. HTC has issued a statement saying in part that they "do not expect this decision to have any immediate impact on our handset sales." But they certainly can't be happy.
CheesyNutz said:
While this could be a mistake on HTC’s part, it could have been the fault of the microphone manufacturer in this case.
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Vendors like Nokia have third parties like STMicroelectronics build components using their designs and specs all the time. That doesn't give the third party license to reuse or resell what they received from a vendor when the component in question was "exclusive." If it wasn't clearly exclusive Nokia wouldn't have been granted an injuction in less than a week. But HTC's to blame too. Their legal department should have screened every component used in the one to make sure it wasn't violating another company's patent or designs. Since the part is an HTC device they bear the responsibility but will most likely go after STM for the damages they suffer. Assuming STM's big enough to absorb them.
HTC just can't catch a break. I like their phones though.
I felt kind of mixed over this when I heard about it considering I own both phones.
This might be the end of HTC. They were counting on the ONE to help them out.. It wont if its banned!! I just dont think they can afford to keep up after this. Very sad because i love HTC phones.
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This might be the end of HTC. They were counting on the ONE to help them out.. It wont if its banned!! I just dont think they can afford to keep up after this. Very sad because i love HTC phones.
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Nobody is going to "ban" HTC, it's the part in question that is the issue, and I'm sure it'll get worked out. Nokia is still trying to make a comeback themselves, they can hardly afford to get in a fight.
It's pretty much guaranteed that STM was breaching contract when they decided to do this. HTC is at fault for trusting suppliers to follow the law and honor contracts, so I guess it's time to try and preach jeremiads of how HTC is going to go bankrupt.
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This might be the end of HTC. They were counting on the ONE to help them out.. It wont if its banned!! I just dont think they can afford to keep up after this. Very sad because i love HTC phones.
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The Apple injunction didn't end them last year, but yeah HTC is becoming the betamax of Android, while Samsung is VHS. (You won't understand this if you're not old like me)
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Nobody is going to "ban" HTC, it's the part in question that is the issue, and I'm sure it'll get worked out. Nokia is still trying to make a comeback themselves, they can hardly afford to get in a fight.
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Nokia has patents, that's the only thing keeping them from going under.
If Nokia had gone with Android instead of Windows phone they'd be on top again.
californiarailroader said:
Nobody is going to "ban" HTC, it's the part in question that is the issue, and I'm sure it'll get worked out. Nokia is still trying to make a comeback themselves, they can hardly afford to get in a fight.
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Im not talking about banning HTC, talking about banning the ONE. Kind of like how apple tried to ban the One X. The difference is Nokia is right here...They have a great case!!..i think they would win in a fight against struggling HTC. Dont get me wrong.. I love HTC and wish them all the luck. Hopefully it's not their fault and its the mic manufacturers fault.. Either way this hurts HTC very badly!! I dont know what i'd do if i had to switch manufacturers..I guess i can hope that Google shows up with an awesome Motorola device!!
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Im not talking about banning HTC, talking about banning the ONE. Kind of like how apple tried to ban the One X. The difference is Nokia is right here...They have a great case!!..
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Do you have some insider knowledge that lets you know they have a great case?
The One won't get banned. HTC and Nokia will work out a licensing deal if it's needed..
Love how stuff like this always get blown way out of proportion..
I'm not worried about a ban, but any more delays getting this phone to market can only hurt a company that's already in a precarious situation.
I wonder how this will affect the release of the black version.
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I'm not worried about a ban.
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The only reason there wasn't a ban in the EU is because Nokia's mic technology is only patented in the U.S. I'm sure Nokia's already filing with the ITC seeking both an importation ban and stop-sale on the One.
This is from the international forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2246517&page=5
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Yes but both HTC and Nokia are big companies with huge orders, so I do not think ST will cut any of them.
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In a normal world issues like this wouldn't happen. Upon finding that STM (assumingly inadvertently) offered their technology to another company, Nokia would just say "OK, pay me $X as a license fee per unit and we'll call it good." But just like Apple vs. Samsung, it isn't about money it's about inflicting pain and damage on your competitors. As Hamdir pointed out, HTC and Nokia have a blood feud going because of HTC's entry in the Windows Mobile world which was Nokia's turf. Nokia's going to use the STM issue to inflict as much pain as they can on HTC (via STM). And unlike some of these tussles which are ambiguous this one's pretty black and white. So I'd guess any type of settlement is unlikely and that HTC will have to come up with another microphone to use.
And since the mic technology is patented in the U.S. there’s no doubt Nokia will file for an emergency injunction against HTC with the ITC seeking to bar the importation of the One. In U.S. law there’s a saying “ignorantia legis neminem excusat.” Translated from Latin it’s “ignorance of the law excuses no one.” HTC’s legal department should have verified well in advance that any of the components (theirs or third parties) used in the One didn’t violate any patents or use agreements. So the fact that STM sold them Nokia’s technology won’t allow HTC to claim “victim” status; at least not in the U.S. As someone said earlier, HTC’s contract with STM will hold STM responsible for the impact of this issue but it won’t prevent the ITC from taking action against HTC for using the offending part.
Changing out the mic isn’t as simple as it sounds though. The good news is that the mic chip isn't on the motherboard; it's on the daughter board which minimizes the reengineering work. But HTC's going to have design a new daughter board to accommodate the new mic and then modify all the s/w to account for the change in performance characteristics. A new daughter board may require FCC and CE re-certification. HTC's assembles their phones but components like the mother and daughter board arrive pre-assembled from someone else. So HTC's got to find a new mic, work with a partner to redesign the daughter board, get it in to production, and possibly have to have it re-certified. It's not a fast or trivial exercise.
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They will not be allowed to source the components from ST Micro for six months, though -- which could easily lead to supply issues and expensive re-engineering for future HTC One shipments. HTC has issued a statement saying in part that they "do not expect this decision to have any immediate impact on our handset sales." But they certainly can't be happy.
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This is a translation of the actual court order. STM can't sell the mics to anyone but Nokia until March 2014 or until an existing arbitration case that's being heard in Finland (Nokia's home town) decides otherwise. And the difference between the finding in the EU and whatever happens in the U.S. is that the technology used in the mic is patented by Nokia here. The ITC (not the courts) will decide whether to issue a non-importation order and/or a stop-sale. They are the same body that halted the One X in the U.S. when Apple filed a complaint over the use of the app-picker s/w patent. Dealing with a patent violation is different than dealing with an exclusivity agreement and whether HTC knew or didn't know that what STM provided was patented by someone else won't leave them "blameless" in the eyes of the patent tribunal.
One factor that HTC (or other customers) can not be that they receive a product that ST towards them was them that contractually obliged not (yet) provide known. They are therefore not acted unlawfully against Nokia in ST Tufnell microphones to buy. Therefore - now an absolute right of Nokia is missing - no legal presence which ST could base to return of the Tufnell delivered enforce microphones themselves against HTC (or other customers). Under those circumstances, a recall no appropriate form of compensation. 4.10. The advanced penalty will be maximized. 4.11. ST will be largely if convicted. Unsuccessful party in the proceedings The costs on the part of Nokia are estimated at: - summons EUR 104,00 - 589,00 registry - attorney fees 816.00 Total 1509.00 EUR 5. The decision The court 5.1. ST commands to stop after the service of this judgment immediately the supply of dual-diaphragm Microphones (Tufnell) to any person other than Nokia and keep up to March 1, 2014 or until the arbitration between the parties in Helsinki discontinued otherwise decided, 5.2. condemns ST to Nokia to pay EUR 50,000.00 for each "Tufnell" double diaphragm microphone despite the above under 5.1 a penalty payment. command specified in the said period to another than Nokia comes up to a maximum of EUR 1,000,000.00 is reached 5.3. ST condemns the proceedings, on the part of Nokia to date estimated at EUR 1,509.00, 5.4. declares this judgment provisionally enforceable, 5.5. the more points otherwise requested. This judgment was delivered by Mr. RHC Jongeneel, judge, assisted by PJ van Vliet, Registrar, and the public on April 22, 2013.http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/detailpage.aspx?ljn=BZ8278
Only a question of time before Sony abandons electronics altogether as a corporation. It is their financial services, specifically life insurance, that provides profits and support the business.
http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/10/11/i-ll-miss-you-sony-but-i-understand-why-you-re-leaving/
Bye bye Sonyyy
Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Oh look a fcuking expert right fcuking here
AntiLazarus said:
Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Agreed. Nothing in that article points to anything showing Sony will pull out of the US. They will probably continue to sell their phones unlocked through their website without investing tons in brand name or working with carriers. For now at least.
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I can only speak of Oceania where I am from. Sony devices are the most expensive. e.g.
Sony LED 52" is $3,900
LG LED 52" is $2,200
Samsung LED 52" is $2,900
Sony is renown here for a status symbol. No one in their right mind (only the rich) buy their brands. Their mobiles have come down in price a lot, and their Z1 and Ultra were similar prices to the S4 and Note 3. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
In saying that they do particularly well in Asia. So saying that they will no longer sell electronics is mental. Perhaps in America.
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Only a question of time before Sony abandons electronics altogether as a corporation. It is their financial services, specifically life insurance, that provides profits and support the business.
http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/
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What??? How do people come up with the conclusion that Sony is "exiting" the US market? And scantlin of phonedog is actually a paid reporter, and she said she will miss them!
Leaving is NOT what the CEO said.
"Our biggest priority is maintaining our share in Japan or increasing it ... But getting into the U.S. market requires a lot of resources and marketing, so we have to go one step at a time."
Even the guy at the Verge said "Sony is leaving.... for now". This newage electonic media and "news", the Internet! These reporters just crank the news out, like their articles don't get edited and verified by a second person before they are publised.
All the man did was point out the importance of maintaining the overseas market share, and the difficulty of penetrating the US market, which they will do 1 step at a time.
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What??? How do people come up with the conclusion that Sony is "exiting" the US market? And scantlin of phonedog is actually a paid reporter, and she said she will miss them!
Leaving is NOT what the CEO said.
"Our biggest priority is maintaining our share in Japan or increasing it ... But getting into the U.S. market requires a lot of resources and marketing, so we have to go one step at a time."
Even the guy at the Verge said "Sony is leaving.... for now". This newage electonic media and "news", the Internet! These reporters just crank the news out, like their articles don't get edited and verified by a second person before they are publised.
All the man did was point out the importance of maintaining the overseas market share, and the difficulty of penetrating the US market, which they will do 1 step at a time.
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This is simply what some people would like to see. Like that they can feel better buying something else and wish to make people go the same way as they do. Sony is a brand that put a lot of money on development and build, and they have hard time to be able to compete with Samsung and LG who flood the market with heavy marketing and communication. Marketing and communication are really expensive and so for companies who do it a lot, mean most of the price of the devise is for cover marketing fees.
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read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/b...-its-not-electronics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
No offense, but that's old news. Everybody knows Sony's electronics division has been losing money for a while. But now that they have actually managed to start making inroads in this area again, why would they quit? They're obviously determined to turn the electronics division around. I think Hirai meant just what he said.
They're now one of the top mobile manufacturers and they recently publicly said they're aiming to be in the top three which I reckon they can achieve. I like the fact that they support the Dev community, and I think their recent line up for both mobile and laptop is impressive. Their build quality is up there way past Samsung.
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Sony doesnt exit US market, they do not want to expand to US market and focus on UK and Asia.
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I agree, there's been no indication that they are dramatically abandoning the US phone market, as some have implied. And even if they did, do we really care? That wouldn't likely have any effect on XZU owners in the US. Virtually all of whom purchased the international version via the internet, which is "global" in nature.
As long as Sony has a solid international warranty and offers full quad band GSM support for use in the US, the off-contract and unlocked international route is the way to go. Besides, who wants more subsidized on-contract phones anyways?
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Sony doesnt exit US market, they do not want to expand to US market and focus on Europe and Asia.
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FTFY
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Sony is launching the world's first 4K Ultra HD download service. Films will cost $7.99 to rent and $29.99 to purchase.
"Thomas Halleck / International Business Times"
4K films will cost $29.99 to own from the service, and rentals will cost $7.99. Television episodes are also available for $3.99 each.
I doubt Sony would start a 4k download service that goes with their 4K TV's if they are going to stop their electronic business.
Sony just announced the Xperia Z1 and Ultra are going to be officially released in the US.
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-xperia-z1-and-ultra-usa-editions-appear-off-contract-15301394/
The Sony Xperia Z Ultra works with a pricing at MSRP $649.99 (HSPA+, model C6802), $679.99 (LTE, model C6806) in black, white or purple. Meanwhile the smaller device in the Xperia Z1 works with MSRP $669.99 (HSPA+) in black, white or purple. Again, while these devices may appear with carrier subsidies in the future, for now they’re all off-contract.
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They're literally available in stores, today lol
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