Only a question of time before Sony abandons electronics altogether as a corporation. It is their financial services, specifically life insurance, that provides profits and support the business.
http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/10/11/i-ll-miss-you-sony-but-i-understand-why-you-re-leaving/
Bye bye Sonyyy
Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Oh look a fcuking expert right fcuking here
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Hmmm...I'm not sure why you seem to think it's "only a question of time" before Sony gets out of electronics. These past couple of quarters have been their only good ones in a while, and they came as a result of the new corporate strategy with a big mobile push. It doesn't make any sense for them to start winding down now. All the CEO said was that considering the amount of resources it takes to crack the US market, it makes more sense for them to consolidate and strengthen their base in Japan and Europe before attempting to spread out.
If you ask me, it sounds very reasonable, and I think it's a great sign that Sony now has management that is capable of analyzing their situation and coming up with a concrete, step-by-step plan for improving it. As opposed to, for instance, HTC, who is just flailing about with no apparent direction.
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Agreed. Nothing in that article points to anything showing Sony will pull out of the US. They will probably continue to sell their phones unlocked through their website without investing tons in brand name or working with carriers. For now at least.
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I can only speak of Oceania where I am from. Sony devices are the most expensive. e.g.
Sony LED 52" is $3,900
LG LED 52" is $2,200
Samsung LED 52" is $2,900
Sony is renown here for a status symbol. No one in their right mind (only the rich) buy their brands. Their mobiles have come down in price a lot, and their Z1 and Ultra were similar prices to the S4 and Note 3. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
In saying that they do particularly well in Asia. So saying that they will no longer sell electronics is mental. Perhaps in America.
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Only a question of time before Sony abandons electronics altogether as a corporation. It is their financial services, specifically life insurance, that provides profits and support the business.
http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/10/11/i-ll-miss-you-sony-but-i-understand-why-you-re-leaving/
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What??? How do people come up with the conclusion that Sony is "exiting" the US market? And scantlin of phonedog is actually a paid reporter, and she said she will miss them!
Leaving is NOT what the CEO said.
"Our biggest priority is maintaining our share in Japan or increasing it ... But getting into the U.S. market requires a lot of resources and marketing, so we have to go one step at a time."
Even the guy at the Verge said "Sony is leaving.... for now". This newage electonic media and "news", the Internet! These reporters just crank the news out, like their articles don't get edited and verified by a second person before they are publised.
All the man did was point out the importance of maintaining the overseas market share, and the difficulty of penetrating the US market, which they will do 1 step at a time.
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What??? How do people come up with the conclusion that Sony is "exiting" the US market? And scantlin of phonedog is actually a paid reporter, and she said she will miss them!
Leaving is NOT what the CEO said.
"Our biggest priority is maintaining our share in Japan or increasing it ... But getting into the U.S. market requires a lot of resources and marketing, so we have to go one step at a time."
Even the guy at the Verge said "Sony is leaving.... for now". This newage electonic media and "news", the Internet! These reporters just crank the news out, like their articles don't get edited and verified by a second person before they are publised.
All the man did was point out the importance of maintaining the overseas market share, and the difficulty of penetrating the US market, which they will do 1 step at a time.
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This is simply what some people would like to see. Like that they can feel better buying something else and wish to make people go the same way as they do. Sony is a brand that put a lot of money on development and build, and they have hard time to be able to compete with Samsung and LG who flood the market with heavy marketing and communication. Marketing and communication are really expensive and so for companies who do it a lot, mean most of the price of the devise is for cover marketing fees.
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read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/b...-its-not-electronics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
No offense, but that's old news. Everybody knows Sony's electronics division has been losing money for a while. But now that they have actually managed to start making inroads in this area again, why would they quit? They're obviously determined to turn the electronics division around. I think Hirai meant just what he said.
They're now one of the top mobile manufacturers and they recently publicly said they're aiming to be in the top three which I reckon they can achieve. I like the fact that they support the Dev community, and I think their recent line up for both mobile and laptop is impressive. Their build quality is up there way past Samsung.
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Sony doesnt exit US market, they do not want to expand to US market and focus on UK and Asia.
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I agree, there's been no indication that they are dramatically abandoning the US phone market, as some have implied. And even if they did, do we really care? That wouldn't likely have any effect on XZU owners in the US. Virtually all of whom purchased the international version via the internet, which is "global" in nature.
As long as Sony has a solid international warranty and offers full quad band GSM support for use in the US, the off-contract and unlocked international route is the way to go. Besides, who wants more subsidized on-contract phones anyways?
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Sony doesnt exit US market, they do not want to expand to US market and focus on Europe and Asia.
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Sony is launching the world's first 4K Ultra HD download service. Films will cost $7.99 to rent and $29.99 to purchase.
"Thomas Halleck / International Business Times"
4K films will cost $29.99 to own from the service, and rentals will cost $7.99. Television episodes are also available for $3.99 each.
I doubt Sony would start a 4k download service that goes with their 4K TV's if they are going to stop their electronic business.
Sony just announced the Xperia Z1 and Ultra are going to be officially released in the US.
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-xperia-z1-and-ultra-usa-editions-appear-off-contract-15301394/
The Sony Xperia Z Ultra works with a pricing at MSRP $649.99 (HSPA+, model C6802), $679.99 (LTE, model C6806) in black, white or purple. Meanwhile the smaller device in the Xperia Z1 works with MSRP $669.99 (HSPA+) in black, white or purple. Again, while these devices may appear with carrier subsidies in the future, for now they’re all off-contract.
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They're literally available in stores, today lol
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The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
Yes for me yes
I've seen an article like 3 months ago where some chinese company made a 4,7 inch phone with such specs that it could beat the Galaxy S3 and the price.....only 199 US dollars. =)
Samsung, Sony, HTC and every other major OEMs OVERCHARGE their products. $ $
But in my opinion yes Google will stay with the prices as their goal is to make phone affordable yet powerful.
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The Nexus 4 costs a mere $299 and the Nexus 7 tablet only $199. Many analysts think Google is heavily subsidizing these products, selling them at break-even or even losing money (to an extent, that may depend on some cost-accounting assumptions--suffice it to say, they aren't believed to be profiting from the hardware sales).
My question is--will this pricing be sustained? I care both for theoretical reasons--it's just an interesting question--and personal reasons--I am going to switch to T-Mobile's Value Plan, which offers cheaper rates in exchange for eliminating hardware subsidies.
Thanks for your opinions.
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dont forget that google's gains from ads, searches, datamining, play store sales and in-app sales and ads.
they dont really need any hardware revenues, they got into phones and tablet sales just to shock the market which (mostly for tablet) was growing stale and lazy.
I'm pretty sure they don't make a loss.. they might be making a slight profit in their hardware but the main profit comes in the software
Updated Thoughts on Nexus Pricing, Ref Moto X
Most of the predictions and pundits said the Moto X would be very affordable off-contract, perhaps even below the (very impressive) $299 price point of the Nexus 4. What a bust that turned out to be. The announcement didn't even talk about off-contract, then later in the day it came out that off-contract will be typical high-end pricing.
But while disappointed, I'm not really that surprised. I've had my doubts about whether Google will continue low Nexus pricing. It would seem to cause a lot of relationship conflict, with carriers (in U.S.) but especially with manufacturers. The handset makers are, understandably, touchy enough about Google owning Motorola. Having Motorola become the disruptive, low-cost competitor would only fan the flames. Thus, not surprised that the Moto X doesn't impress on price.
So back to Nexus. There are those who believe the Moto X is the Nexus 5...meaning there is no real Nexus planned for this year. If that proves true, it reinforces the point. I also predict a phased rise in the price of Nexuses when they do come out. The next one, whenever it comes out, will be $375-$400 for the low memory configuration. Then the next one will increase by another $75-100, at which point they will have reached their equilibrium price. Also, there may not be a Nexus device every year--only when Google has a reason for releasing one.
I really hope I am wrong. A few months ago I switched to Tmo's new "un-carrier" plan. We have data for a family of 5 for $120/month (the kids have to make do with 500 Mb, which really isn't that bad). Depending how often you buy new phones, and whether you get BOGOs, etc, it is about break-even
at full retail pricing. But if you can get Nexuses for $299, it offers very compelling savings.
(P.S. Yes, I do understand Google makes money off ads, not devices, and if they really wanted to, they could sustain low Nexus pricing forever. I didn't mean sustainable in the pure profit margin sense, I meant it in the marketing and partner relationships sense. )
Simple answer: yes!
But: there is always a "but"
Unless you're into tech and knows the product offering then this will be a steal, however for 90% of the consumer shopping for a phone looks at features which they never use. Samsung, HTC, Sony etc. All can charge $600 because they have justify their developer team also the money spent on marketing.
Sammy has Touchwiz, HTC has Sense, etc. which try to differentiate then self from other manufacturers. Nexus products were intended for developers however Google saw the potential of gaining market share from Apple and jumped on the opportunity.
Unless other manufacturers pressure Google to change their price point we will continue to receive great products at low cost and for that thank you Google.
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I was very excited at the notion of getting my N3 today. I drive like a mad man to the Sprint store closest to my home. I was expecting to see SOME type of crowd...(2 p.m.).the store was absolutely empty! So I tell the rep that I want to buy the N3, she said they never got any, not even 1 for launch day? In fact, she said that during the morning conference call, there was no mention of the N3 at all, WTF? She didn't know model numbers or anything else about it, do people really hate the Samsung line that much? After driving to the 3rd Sprint store, I bought the only one that was shipped to their store. Overall, I'm kind of miffed that even the store reps aren't/weren't prepared, knowledgeable or even slightly enthusiastic about this launch, but I'm glad I got my phone!
i went straight to best buy and got mine this morning but they did say they had a limited quantity and no accessories.. so i went to the sprint store around the corner to get a case.
they were excited to see mine said they have never seen the phone and didnt get any in
Local Clearwater store had plenty. Despite all the hype of the Note 3, it's always a sleeper at the Sprint store. The same thing happened last year at the Note 2 launch, and that was even more of a bigger hype since it is the first time the Note series is available from Sprint.
You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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The sprint store here didn't receive theirs and one radioshack only got white ones while the other didn't get theirs at all. I just decided to order mine straight from sprint to avoid everything and to keep myself from being tempted into a white one.
No sign, accessories, or display model at the one i was at. However i was the 4th one sold within the hour.
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I had an appointment at Best Buy for 10:00 a.m. this morning. There weren't many people when I arrived but by the time I was done (took almost an hour!) there was a line of about a dozen people and and lots of talk about the Note 3.
Overall I am much more impressed with the look of the phone and the soft texture of the back; much better than I thought it might be based on many comments in the forums.
Best Buy also had the Galaxy Gear but it was tethered and the security device made the watch look so thick and impossible to test fit. The whole presentation did nothing to help sell the device. Overall from what I could see it looked nice but not for $300. I think Samsung and/or Best Buy really missed an opportunity by not offering some kind of Note/Gear bundle. Even $50 discount might have made me consider getting both.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
All the stores in Dallas/Ft.Worth got at least 10-20. I got there at 9am with 1 guy waiting and by the time i left after i kept telling the salesman i dont have to give them my phone that is not under contract..... I saw about 4 people leave the store with them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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We are smartphone enthusiasts. Sprint employees or corporate generally do not care. If they do, they would be working with Sony to push their XPERIA line. With a little encouragement and dealing, Sony will add a CDMA version. Look at the mistake with the uniband Note 3 and the lack of waterproof phone.
Get a couple of enthusiasts from XDA to the Sprint corporate board room and the company will be profitable real fast. Sprint corporate is often clueless just like the people at HP, just like the idiots at LG and HTC that decides their phone do not need an SD card. They make $5 mistake that cost them lots of unsold phones and hundreds of millions. Samsung don't have to beat them when they keep making stupid decision like that. Of course, this is just IMHO.
If I was managing the Sprint corporate store, you bet I will be promoting the Note 3 or any flagship phone launch with posters, display, cases, hooking it up to the smart dock, etc.. Look at the home page at Sprint. They are pushing the Iphones. Nothing wrong with that but they should be pushing any new flagship phone launch. They do not have the passion like the John Legre dude at T Mobile.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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You have to wait 2 months for the 15$ off to kick in? They surely didn't tell me that.
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I pre ordered mine at the best buy in metro Detroit and had mine when I get off work at 2 pm. I got the black one
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I called sprint to get my upgrade today and the rep was asking me questions on how the galaxy gear worked. Lol.
He said they get a tiny ass powerpoint about the basics and that's it. When I worked for Apple (worst company), I would research online so that I knew everything. Better customer service, better results.
C'mon Sprint. Step your game up.
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Got mine and a Gear, I really like the Gear. It really compliments the Note.
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My Sprint store got the boxes from UPS as I arrived at 10am. They even had a Samsung Rep on hand doing Note 3 demos and Galaxy Gear. Cases were limited, all they had was the Body Glove case which is actually pretty nice. Overall this is a great phone and im so happy I exchanged my HTC One for this.
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My sentiments exactly. I dread going to my corporate sprint store. Yesterday, however, i was plesantly suprised that there was no traffic and i was served instantly upon walking into the store. TWICE. By 12 tho, it was filling up and i was glad i was finished.
It is very weird, regardless of what some will have you believe. I was first at one of my local stores to get one (was the only one in the store for the hour or so it took to futz with my account and activate the phone. Got there at store opening). They had not even taken them out of the shipping box yet. Had to go back to the store this morning and they said that I am still the only one to have gotten one. Inexplicable.
I realize the price bump to give preference to Apple (don't agree with it, but understand) but it's almost like Sprint didn't even want this phone to launch at all. Last to announce launch date. No marketing at all. With millions of Note and Note 2's sold, and several million Note 3's already sold world wide, I really can't figure out what's going on. I have seen companies do a lot of weird things, but whatever is going on with Sprint and the Note 3 is beyond me. Sprint's overall lineup of phones is horrendous anyway, getting a true flagship phone should be more of a big deal to them.
I have to say that I love this phone. Coming from a beat up Epic 4G Touch, this is like upgrading from a Pentium 4 to an i7. This is also the first time I have been able to use LTE and I love it.
There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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I almost teared up reading this........ Everything you have stated is correct...
Sprint isn't a very effective VAR for Samsung products and I think they are in so deep with the fruit that they are beginning to regret their metric quotas they are obligated to meet on a quarterly basis in order to be in compliance with the distribution contract they signed in order to get into the very lucrative (Icraze) business model/ecosystem.
I wish Samsung would open a retail brick and mortar but the cult-ish following isn't near the same level as Apple.
So for the near future, we will have to go through the regular channels and hopefully the Samsung experience @ BB can get a foothold and become a starting off point for something better and a more customer orientated experience for Samsung users.
I'm not sure how advertising for the G2 is in the rest of the world, but I just flew into Jakarta yesterday and they had about 4 tall, thin billboards advertising LG and the G2! Much further down the road was a single Samsung billboard for the Note 3. I'd have to say that the impact wasn't as strong, maybe from non-repetition?
Beyond that, I have heard some great deals such as getting a $100 voucher and free Bluetooth headset. The bonus is that it seems to be cheaper than what prices I have seen for the US.
Go LG, go!
I see a lot of commercials for it on TV here in the US. Amazon has deals for the G2 as low as $99.00 bucks US
Nine in the UK that I've seen. Poor here...
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Lots of TV commercials here in Canada.
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Some tv comercials in holland
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Awesome! I was talking to my brother earlier and he was telling me that he had read posts where people were saying LG is supplanting themselves as the #2 android seller next to Samsung. I hope so, but the biggest battle won't be the phone, it'll be support.
In Canada a few ads on the radio and some posters here and there.
Pretty good so far, I'm not sure how well its selling though.
Was released on Oct 4th here, got mine Oct 9th and was the first person to buy one from that location.
Tmobile is selling alot of them here in Chicago
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I'm not sure how advertising for the G2 is in the rest of the world, but I just flew into Jakarta yesterday and they had about 4 tall, thin billboards advertising LG and the G2! Much further down the road was a single Samsung billboard for the Note 3. I'd have to say that the impact wasn't as strong, maybe from non-repetition?
Beyond that, I have heard some great deals such as getting a $100 voucher and free Bluetooth headset. The bonus is that it seems to be cheaper than what prices I have seen for the US.
Go LG, go!
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Wow you're trotting Asia now eh? haha. Oh btw, Indonesians prefers Blackberrys and iPhones. Samsung is the minor.
Here in Singapore, everybody wnats the best. Lol. You can see the queues here upon launch of a new new device. Lol.
I get my G2 when they first launch in Jakarta, not the pre order. They offering cashback from voucher advertised in newspaper for IDR 500.000. Free bluetooth HBS 730, shopping voucher IDR 1.000.000, Line,s Doll and free data for 6 month. If paid with credit card from famous local bank for 12month installament, you get free 1 month.
Pricelist IDR 6.799.000, I pay 5.799.000 + bonuses.
Today they still doing marketing roadshow, give same bonuses but no cashback.
Sorry info using IDR currency, you can convert it in to yours.
Btw, they launched on 28 sep 2013.
And now have after sale marketing promotuin, G2 owner can give the testimonial to their website and will get G2 Flip Case, power bank, USB OTG and shopping voucher.
So..Wish me luck.
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@m0ngstr0us - I live in Asia at the moment. Indonesians do prefer Blackberry's, but I've been watching the slow switch to iPhones and Androids. A majority still use Blackberry for work, but it seems like I meet a lot of people that are using iPhone or Android as their primary now.
@gaindauz - Kamu punya link untuk setelah iklan promosi? Can you provide the link for the after sale marketing promotion?
Hot damn look at all the stuff they bundle in Jakarta! I got mine from America and they didn't throw in nothing and I had to fight like hell to get them to price match Costco. In fact, I had to fight them to even get them to sell it to me because they said they had none in stock when their computer said they had 5 but there were none in the case. Even though I told them I stopped in the day before launch and the clerk showed them to me... They insisted there was a mistake and they had none so I left until the afternoon and they miraculously had them when I returned.
I get invited to live in Sweden, Australia and Canada by friends all the time and it's about time I took them up on that. This country needs an enema.
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@m0ngstr0us - I live in Asia at the moment. Indonesians do prefer Blackberry's, but I've been watching the slow switch to iPhones and Androids. A majority still use Blackberry for work, but it seems like I meet a lot of people that are using iPhone or Android as their primary now.
@gaindauz - Kamu punya link untuk setelah iklan promosi? Can you provide the link for the after sale marketing promotion?
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https://www.facebook.com/lgmobileindonesia/app_451684954848385
They also email me about the program 1 day after I purchased it.
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https://www.facebook.com/lgmobileindonesia/app_451684954848385
They also email me about the program 1 day after I purchased it.
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Thanks! There is also a competition from the LG Global site here.
@xyltha - Agreed. I think the US is too saturated for them to market like some companies do here. I have not heard of Samsung doing this, but they are the number one choice here for Android, so LG is trying to get a foothold. When I lived in CA, I always purchased second-hand phones just so that I could get a deal.
Anyways, check the link if you want to enter the Global competition.
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Awesome! I was talking to my brother earlier and he was telling me that he had read posts where people were saying LG is supplanting themselves as the #2 android seller next to Samsung. I hope so, but the biggest battle won't be the phone, it'll be support.
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That's funny. I just read the numbers the other day for top selling cell phone manufacturers by marketshare..
1. Samsung 35%
2. Apple 20 something %
3. LG 4%
Nowhere close to the top 2, but they're in 3rd. lol.
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That's funny. I just read the numbers the other day for top selling cell phone manufacturers by marketshare..
1. Samsung 35%
2. Apple 20 something %
3. LG 4%
Nowhere close to the top 2, but they're in 3rd. lol.
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Apple is not android.
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Apple is not android.
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I never said they were. If you re-read my post, I said cell phone manufacturers, not android phone manufacturers. My point was they are 3rd overall out of all cell phone manufacturers. My second point was their small amount of market share doesn't come close to samsung even after adding in dumb phones and windows phones. In the grand scheme of things, while they may be 3rd overall or 2nd behind Samsung for androids, they still have a long way to go to really become a true competitor.
I'm glad that marketing is still going strong. My last phone, the LG Nitro, never had any commercials or any sort of advertising. The dev community reflected that. I'm glad to see this device getting a good amount of dev support.
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Agreed.
@crashN2u - I think you had needed to re-read my post... Moving on.
@TNT321BOOM - That sucks. I was never really into phones until the S3. I decided to see what all the rage was about and got lucky that the one I chose had a huge dev community. LG is doing better, so I expect them to start enticing more devs to come.
Seen quite a bit of advertising for the G2. Pleasantly surprised. This phone deserves to be considered by most people. It's a very solid device.
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The Z4v is confirmed to be on its way to release on September 3rd. The first week has a promotional sale going on from what I see for three different people.
The full price of the phone is $599, but it will go on sale for $499 with $100 in Google play store credit.
For us Z3v owners, we can trade it in to knock off $220 to bring the price down to $379.
If you have any other phones, you can trade it in up to $70 in knocking it off.
I really love my Z3v, but seeing that Verizon has really abandoned it, it's no wonder why Verizon is now offering the Z4v. The YouTuber who has the phone confirmed the date, and he also discussed he hasn't had any issues with overheating on the SD810. I'm more likely tempted to get it now because if you just think about it, you do any extraneous activities on your phone, it'll heat up anyway.
Thoughts?
So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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So what about if I am paying monthly on the retired edge program? Is that trade in price of $379 what I could finance monthly?
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I think that would come to terms whether you're done financing the Z3v with the Edge plan by then. Otherwise, I think you're just paying at a discounted full price and all you'll be paying for is your plan month to month. I'm not too sure.
I just got the z3v a few months ago so I know I'm not done paying for it...but I think I'll try to sweet talk them at the store and play the no VoLTE and broken promises cars and see what they'll do for me (if anything)
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This is my 1st sony phone after trying virtually all other manufacturers, except LG, and I love it. Came from Note 3 and I loved the size but wasn't a fan of TW. I think the biggest struggle I've had is the lack of support and development. But honestly I was kinda tired of rooting/tinkering with my phone and just wanted a good phone with great camera and battery. Didn't realize how much I'd miss simultaneous voice and data...here's hoping the z4v has all I need. Appreciate the update Giga
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I simply don't know what I'm going to do. My experience with the Z3v has been the best I've ever had on any phone from a stability, reception, OS fluiditity and stability standpoint, and of course this amazing battery.
So I paid full price $599 for this phone 9 months ago. I'd have to pay an additional $379 to trade it in, meaning in total I'd be spending over $1000 with tax and everything.
For that $1000 I'm getting more resolution which I don't need, shorter battery life which I dont want, a faster processor that probably makes no difference in day to do use, Lollipop with all the annoying bright colors and white screens that I don't like, and simultaneous voice and data.
In other words for me personally the only positive thing I'm gaining for spending $1000 is simultaneous voice and data, and updates that will protect me from malware vulnerabilities. Both of these things were promised to me when I bought the Z3v, and now I have to pay another $379 and have to give back my Z3v for their broken promises?
In the end I consider this offer from Verizon a joke. Are we supposed to be happy to pay for their mistake? And on top of it they get to keep our Z3v on the trade so we can't even sell it off later ourselves to offset the cost of their mistake.
Thanks Verizon. Well done, you really know how to shaft your customers.
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I understand where you're coming from. You're not the only one who had to spend full price for the Z3v as Verizon's joke attempt on setting up a phone for failure. It's up to you whether you want to keep it or not, but I know you've had great experiences with yours. I wouldn't totally diss the Z4v on battery life necessarily because it does have real Z3 hardware technology such as the screen RAM, which saves on power. The higher display resolution is highly questionable and makes no different to the human eye than what Full HD can already do.
I do wish there was a better option for us Z3v owners than just knocking off $220. This info is only a rumor so o hope there is a better rumor than this.
I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
Wait for Z5 then ditch Verizon. Why reward fraud?
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I really appreciate you passing the rumors on to us GigaSPX. If the rumors are true, its like Verizon is kind of admitting they screwed up, but they are passing the cost of that srew-up on to the customers backs. I'd be more apt to pay $379 for a Z4v if I could keep my Z3v, plus have the Z4v insured at no extra cost to us.
So rather than getting a Z4v, anyone thinking about the new 2015 Moto X Style Pure Edition for $399? That would take Verizon out of the picture entirely for updates.... lol
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Actually I am, or one of the new Nexus devices, providing they are all carrier compatible like the Nexus 6. This really has to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of z3v owners, waiting for an update that never came. I really do like Sony's hardware and loved the Z2 I had when I was briefly on AT&T. If the $220 trade in is true it's not that bad of a deal as the z3v is selling for just a little more than that on swappa right and will likely sell for less once the z4v actually drops.
I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
I'm thinking about the new 2015 LG nexus 5. But only if it's on Verizon. Because Verizon does have the best network.
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I paid $340 for my Z3v new from swappa. there must have been a liquidation of the phones because a lot of them sold around the time I got mine. At the moment I honestly dont think its worth it for me even though I got mine for cheaper. The accessory support will probably be just as bad as the z3v. I really like being able to get something different from what many people know of and buy, it almost has an exclusive feel to it while hiding its faults at the same time. If it wasnt for the moto x pure edition price, I would probably go through with the whole trade in thing. All in all, I still like the phone for its screen, battery and audio with headphones or speakers. This whole stage fright thing would be another reason to get a phone I know will be updated and if not root and cyanogen mod will be there if stage fright security measures don't take it away.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I can vouch for Textra.... great messaging app plus protection. Been using it for about a year.
Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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Won't be updating. Don't fall into that trap. Its like your giving them a pat on the back for screwing us. "Couldn't help but notice we stopped supporting your phone. For only $400 we will give you the next generation. Just don't expect us to support that one."
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As much as it pains me for that too, what option are you going with?
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Gonna just have to tough out my contract and drive their name in the mud. Throwing more money at this is not an option for me. As far as getting a vzw branded android phone. It doesn't fix anything but incentives them to screw people over and have them buy new devices. Those who buy a Z4v expecting more then 89 days of support are kidding themselves. I really can't see them supporting it any longer then they have ours. Based on the reality of our situation. I understand folks wanting another device just don't play the game that round 2 will be any better.
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Just so you know, you can download Textra as your text messaging app to protect yourself against stagefrite.
Reason why I'm sticking with Sony is because of all those above reasons and the waterproofing. I have the noise cancelling headset that matches with the phone and I should have bought it at the very beginning for use.
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I thought all you needed to do was just turn off the auto download mms? There were also other ways to catch it instead of just text from my understanding.
I have been interested in that headset you mentioned I just haven't purchased it yet.
The waterproofing feature is a large reason why I got the z3v in the first place but because of the rear glass adhesive issue I have its not always sealed properly. its like it wants to stick but slowly comes undone. Im about to dip the whole back in plastidip jk...or not. If I could get maybe 300-340 out of it instead of the crummy 220 I would probably get the z4m I mean z4v without com"promise" from vzw about updating. (sounded better in my head)
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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I really have no idea about the whole rear adhesive, but maybe putting a case on could keep it together? Lol
If it was 300-400 off, that would be satisfactory. But seriously, does no one think there can't be a lawsuit over broken promises? lol
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Im seriously thinking about spraying white plastidip on the back. A case wont help because the lift is so tiny. if you look at the back of your phone at a 20 degree angle you should notice the plastic trim lip all the way around. on the usb side and right over that spot the glass is meeting that point on my device instead of being below it.
I say haggle with vzw for a better price lol. The time you take trying to get your point across they would have made that back and more in a matter of seconds.
#com"promise" lol
So I'm speaking with a Verizon agent simply asking, "is Verizon still supporting the Z3v?" Apparently it still is because there was announcement of an update on July 14th, but it didn't get release because of some bugs. So I've been informed of a tentative software update sometime this month of August. Which is really up in the air considering all these past months.
I then ask about the Z4v and what there is for us. We can trade in our Z3v if it's in like new and working condition, and mine could go for $310 to trade in. I asked how much the Z4v would be full price, and they have no solid idea other than comparing the full price for the Z3v going for $499 (although that's the current retail value now as opposed to 10 months ago). So that ay bring it down to $290 instead of $370 if the full price is $599...hmm....
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ware-nexus-5x-and-6p-not-meeting-sales-goals/
- HTC is still in talks to build the next Nexus phone(s).
- Google takes a 15% cut of the sales price of Nexus phones it sells, but it hasn't always done this, and on some past devices has taken no cut at all.
- The "most recent" Nexus phones (5X, 6P) have not met their "optimistic" internal sales goals at Google.
- The Nexus 5 (2013) was the best-selling Nexus phone of all time.
- That the 5X and 6P aren't being sold by any US carriers is a point of "significant consternation" for people involved with the Nexus program.
My opinion
The 6P and 5X not reaching sales goals ? No ****, because they're not sold in Carrier stores this time. If the iPhone 7 is only sold on the Apple website for $700, no payment plan, you betcha ass sales will suck and be way down. If Google wants sales, they need to put it on all major carriers, BUT ALSO advertise the crap out of it like no tomorrow, and have promotions for it in the stores.
But just throwing it up on the Google website, and saying, her we have a phone we're selling, just give us $600 and it's yours. No **** Sherlock it's not selling well.
Plus in Europe the price was a joke. Too expensive. The only ones who buy a Nexus these days are Nexus fans. The N6P 32gb costs 650-700 euros in EU while the S6 32gb costs 400-450 and the G4 400. So no surprise here. Time to get serious with the Nexus line and stop ripping off geeks and Nexus fans.
Another kick in the balls is the major price drop that comes like 9 months later. Brand new the Nexus 6P is like $600 or so, and then in the spring watch it come down to like $399, and then late Summer will be like $299 brand new still.
I cant imagine carriers will be happy selling an Unlocked phone below the prices of other phones of the same caliber. Id also imagine carriers would want to mark up the phones some how. Also Id imagine other cell phone makers wouldnt be too happy. Imagine Samsung or LG putting their $650 phone out at verizon and then a $500 Nexus 6P shows up being financed through the carrier also. Probably the reason carriers had the Nexus 6 because it came out at the same price as other flagships. Plus carriers wanna put their bloat crap on the phones also.
It does seem google has actually advertised the 5x and 6p. Ive seen a lot of commercials for them. Cant say I ever saw a Nexus 6 commercial.
I think a big reason the sales also aren't up to snuff is the phones just now are being sold in Best Buy. A lot of customers want to hold the phone and see if they like it. Its taken forever for them to just get to best buy and they still don't have phones on display for customers to see. I think best buys having a dedicated nexus booth would help immensely.
Does Worst Buy I mean Best Buy actually have the 6P on display in the store ? My local Best Buy's around Chicago, have a very tiny little Google section off in the corner, and no phones, just the Chrome notebooks, not even the HTC 9 Tablet. So not sure what those Google sections in BB are for if they don't even carry or display the main Nexus devices ?
I agree with OP's opinion, people just DON'T KNOW about these Nexus phones.
There was an article recently stating that Google wants to take more direct control of the Nexus phones, and copy Apple and the iPhone.
Look at the iPhone, it's sold at all major phone carriers stores, with subsidized payments plans. And Apple updates the iPhone whenever the hell they need to, and NEVER let the carriers get in the way of an iOS update. The carriers are sort of agnostic to it.
Google can do the same thing with the Nexus phones just like Apple and the iPhone with complete direct control.
And Jordan used to say "Just do it"
Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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Here in Canada, the Nexus 6p was the best deal on a phone through Telus. $200 for the 6p on a 2yr plan, but $300 or $400 for the Note 5. So it actually was discounted, and made the most sense.
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or $0 for some of us on Black Friday
I was actually able to get a 6P because it was supplied by O2. Otherwise I wouldn't have got one, I like to have it part of my phone contract. Most people in the UK have phones on contract.
I'm happily with T-Mobile, and on their JoD ( Jump on Demand ) program, and expected the Nexus 6P would be available on T-Mobile of all carriers, because they have been the only carrier to support the Nexus phone line from the very beginning, selling the Nexus-One, and stocking and selling the Nexus-S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and Nexus 6.
For me it makes zero sense to spend $600 with Google to get the 6P, when on JoD program, so I just used my one of three upgrades on the Note 5, which I rooted and installed a great custom ROM, and this phone screams But I would prefer the Nexus 6P. But at this point, with the 6P being almost 5 months old, I'll just wait for a nice SD820 phone, like the G5 ( with CM13 ROM ) or something else.
It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
The (2013) Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, and had pretty much flagships high end spec's at the time, it was a super deal. Now the 5X comes out at a similar price but with lesser budget spec's. WTF Google ?
Sales, marketing, distribution, and support are intertwined. Any expectation Google has/had about 2015 sales would be determined by their investments in those things as well as the depth of each category.
Huawei has no U.S. support infrastructure and doesn’t even have the facility to offer owners paid non-warranty repairs. I’m sure that played in to the U.S. carrier’s decision not to offer the 6P. Folks that view Nexus as just another phone have to really want one to live with limited support or be forced in to buying a warranty for non-warranty repairs even if they don’t normally.
Without the U.S. carrier’s offering the phone where are mainstream consumers going to buy it? 67% of smartphones sold in the U.S. are on carrier post-paid plans (installment and contract). The majority of the rest are low-end prepaid smartphones purchased outright. The percentage of people buying their own $500+ high-end smartphones outright via third parties is probably in the single digit percentages; at least in the U.S. With limited distribution Google has to have known the consequences of the phones being offered via so few channels.
Google ran a bunch of nicely produced ads randomly on U.S. TV. They probably spent 1/100th of what Samsung spends on their own advertising and in co-ops with the carriers. What’s that supposed to do for sales of a phone only available online and at some Best Buys?
What problem does the 6P solve for the masses that don’t know (or care) about “pure” and regular updates? To the masses TW is Android based on Samsung’s market penetration so the absence of it and its features could be viewed as a deficit not a benefit. Nexus make XDA'rs wet, not so much the masses.
If the 6P isn’t selling well it isn’t because it’s a bad phone it’s that Google’s expectations weren’t realistic in the first place.
The only growth left in phones/tablets is to peel users from competitors. And there's only so much that can be done with UI/UX to set yourself apart. The OEM's have understood this for a while that's why they're making forays into wearables, virtual reality, and driverless cars. I say this because it makes it clear that if Google wants to increase sales of their Nexus line, they have 1 choice: lower the price. Two nexus devices released at the same time both priced too high is a recipe for disaster. There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts. Luckily for Google (Alphabet), they're an advertising company and not a hardware OEM. So as device sales slow across the board (even iPhone) they are better positioned than most
What are the flaws you find with the 6P as opposed to other premium Android phones?
Bad phone, mediocre phone, are you guys kidding? This is the best android phone. Period! But of course many people prefer pay more for a samsung or something!
Is too bad Google stopped the GPE program, would love to see GPE based phones like the S7, and G5 this Spring, those flagship phones running stock vanilla Android, directly supported by Google, and sold through carrier plans.
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It's no surprise that they aren't selling well - they're mediocre phones selling at premium prices. I lol at anyone who buys a nexus - and feel sorry for them too.
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So, do you actually own one? I didn't think so. If you had used a 6p you would not be saying it was a mediocre phone. It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now. I am currently living in Paraguay, a country with bad overloaded cell phone networks, where most people who can afford smartphones are pretty much locked into Samsung by the carriers here. The radio in my 6p is SO much better than the weak Samsung radios. The battery lasts all day in conditions where I am constantly going in and out of signal areas. Just my point of view, but the problem with these phones is not the phones themselves, but Googles marketing. Of course, I am buying it for the phone and not the marketing...
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This is the best android phone. Period!
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It is actually, all in all, the best phone on the market for daily driver use right now.
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For a niche audience of hobbiests and purists. Even where Nexi were offered by major global carriers along side other premium phones, some more expensive, Nexus sales never came close to competitive phones sales wise if they made a dent at all. The things that push people's buttons on XDA don't represent the masses view. A billion smartphones were sold last year. There are 360K active XDA members over the last 30 days. As @crachel said, the smartphone phone market has matured and even those with recognized names and a loyal customer base are struggling. HTC, Sony, and LG all lost money in mobile last quarter.
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There were basically no compelling upgrade reasons except for niche enthusiasts.
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We have a winner.