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Well, I got a new kingston 32gb microsd a while back. It's supported by the device (i've look about and know someone who has 30gb out of 32gb used in their x10)
Now the thing is, i have a few problems with it. It's not being recoginized by the phone! I had to format it when I first got it. Which took hours to do. It would only hold about 4gb of data I currently have on my phone, anything else would go on, then get deleted.
After another formatting, the phone doesn't recoginize it! Any ideas at all would be appericated. It's a 32GB Kingstom class4. I have searced about on these forums btw, and a few other Android and sony forums.
Also, how much of an improvment would I see with data2sd if I got this to work?
Thank you, Darren.
I had the exact card as u with similar issues. I only bought that brand cuz it was cheaper. Then i tried my sandisk again and no issues. I trust only sandisk and i use my 16 gig one. I believe my kingston fried itself. Go to www.amazon.com the 16 gig r very cheap i think now but the 32 r more. Sorry i cant find u a solution.
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Thanks for the reply. But I really need this 32gb workworking. I have a few thousand songs needing transfered from my recentrecently broken ipod. And money's a big problem to atm.
Can u access ur mirco sd through an adapter on the computer? Just curious.
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Big question is where you bought the card, you could have bought a fake that only holds 4gb even though it shows 32
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Could be a fake if you bought it from ebay, basically what the cons do is flash the card to display a higher size, a lot that have been circulated are the 32gigs that are flashed from 2gig cards. I've seen this complaint on a few forums now,the good news is you can download a program that can check if you have a fake card and also what the actual size is. You will have to google it though as I don't have the link, hope this helps
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I originally posted this in the wrong section, so I am reposting it hear. Hopefully I can get some help.
I paid for a CPO 8gb NT
The receipt in the box says 16gb
The model # reads BNTV250 (not BNTV250a as would be expected for a 8gb model)
But, when I look at available memory, it reads:
B+N conect about 6gb (actually just under 6gb)
Other content: 8gb available
I am confused, do I have a 8gb (that I ordered and paid for) or did I get a 16gb version?
Sure looks like you got a 16GB. I heard of someone else getting that because they sold out of the 8GB and didn't stop the ad in time, or something like that, so they shipped 16GB instead. Congratulations! :good:
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I originally posted this in the wrong section, so I am reposting it hear. Hopefully I can get some help.
I paid for a CPO 8gb NT
The receipt in the box says 16gb
The model # reads BNTV250 (not BNTV250a as would be expected for a 8gb model)
But, when I look at available memory, it reads:
B+N conect about 6gb (actually just under 6gb)
Other content: 8gb available
I am confused, do I have a 8gb (that I ordered and paid for) or did I get a 16gb version?
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Same here bought 2 on Cyber monday for $79. Showed up in 16GB box and under model in settings it says BNTV250. Would like to know though cause if it is I wanna install CM10.
I'd say the 16 GB
Nikkiel
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I'd say the 16 GB
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Do you have the 16? How much space does it say you have? I have 6 for b&n content and an extra 8 so wondering you know.
Model NO. BNTV250
FCC ID has a -a at the end though?
enixidfrag said:
Do you have the 16? How much space does it say you have? I have 6 for b&n content and an extra 8 so wondering you know.
Model NO. BNTV250
FCC ID has a -a at the end though?
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You have the 16GB. The -a is on mine. Like stated previously, they ran out of 8GB and shipped 16GB so customers wouldn't get mad.
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The 16GB model. Congratulations on getting more than what you paid for.
Hey all,
Just a quick one, currently waiting for a eternally out of stock 32GB Nexus 10 in the UK, does anyone think the extra 16GB is worth the difference in price? I currently have an old laptop that stores all my media so there's no way i'd fit it all on the Nexus anyway. What do you guys think?
Cheers!
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Hey all,
Just a quick one, currently waiting for a eternally out of stock 32GB Nexus 10 in the UK, does anyone think the extra 16GB is worth the difference in price? I currently have an old laptop that stores all my media so there's no way i'd fit it all on the Nexus anyway. What do you guys think?
Cheers!
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16GB was fine for me, IMO not worth the extra money for 16 more GB, you can always get a otg adapter if you run out of space
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16GB was fine for me, IMO not worth the extra money for 16 more GB, you can always get a otg adapter if you run out of space
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+1 i got an otg +2x 32 gb mini pendrive for 42€.
Do you find the OTG a bit awkward sticking out of the side of the tablet? I cant imagine what i'd fill the space with until i start using it.
I want to experiment with Ubuntu-touch and be able to at least emulate a dual-boot between the two OSes so I am holding out for a 32GB model. That is if they evey become available in Canada again.
I have the 32GB model, but I haven't come close to using even 16GB. With that said, it's comforting to know I have the space available should I want/need it. If you can afford the extra cost, and can wait out the availability of the device, I'd go with the 32GB.
I'm hoping to get at least 2 or 3 years of good use out of my N10, so I went with the 32GB. I'm already down to only 2-3 GB free on my 16GB Galaxy Nexus, so I could certainly see space being an issue down the road if I went with the 16GB tablet.
I have 32gb model and have just 9gb left, mostly games. I have all my movies and music on USB drives that I use with the otg cable.
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I have 32gb model and have just 9gb left, mostly games. I have all my movies and music on USB drives that I use with the otg cable.
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it really just depends on how you use it. i have 100gb on dropbox plus a server and laptop so I went with a 16gb because an extra 100 bucks for 16gb of storage seems insane. i'll just save that extra 100 and put it on my next upgrade.
Ok, thanks all for your replies, as much as i am very keen to get hold of a Nexus 10 the wait for a 32GB one should be worth it.
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Voted 32gb, because of the safety net of the space. Even the 16gb is probably more than enough, unless you store most your files on the device. I use plex so all movies/videos are on desktop and just stream. Besides apps, the only thing on mine is games for emulators. I bairly touched 5 gb if that of my 32gb
I thought the 16GB would be fine since I only use 7 or 8GB on my phone. But I use the tablet for gaming more more than the phone, and games have gotten quite large. Many are 1GB+ in size now, and the 16GB just doesnt cut it for me. I wish I had gone with the 32GB when I bought this. At least you can add space with an OTG cable, but it isnt as elegant as if the space was there in the first place.
16gb
I have 16 gb because I use Google services for things like music so I don't have to store it on my device, I only sync the playlist that I listen too off of google play music. Saves about 5gb of music files. 16gb+ not worth $100 imho.
I have a 32, and I'm frequently over 16 with media.
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I just got my 32GB today and it already doesn't have much space once I put a couple movies, games, and music albums on it.
I would vote for 32GB. I am regretting getting the 16GB version. The OTG use is fine for movies, magazine etc. But you can't store games on SD cards or thumb drives. You can't compare 100$ for additional 16GB that's on board a device Vs something that hangs from the side of your N10. Never. Go for the 32GB anyday.
I have 7gb left on my 32gb one, but most of what I have on there is luxury I don't really need to keep.
I ordered a Patriot Node last week, that might be a solution to the eternal storage problems plaguing the Nexus devices the Wi-Fi on it is pretty weak, but it's good enough to listen to music or watch non-HD videos/read documents/stuff (worst case scenario, there's a usb cable).
On my gtab 8.9 with 16 gb I can't take nandroid backups due to lack of space so I would definitely recommend 32gb
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On my gtab 8.9 with 16 gb I can't take nandroid backups due to lack of space so I would definitely recommend 32gb
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I agree. I have 32gb and am very glad. I like to keep a stock nandroid and a nandroid of the prior version of whatever custom ROM I'm using so I can fall back if needed. That could already account for a few GB. I also back up apps with Titanium backup...another few hundred MB. If you use Drop box or other cloud services, you will have a local on-device copy as well. It's all too easy to use up the space, and very nice to have it available.
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I've had both. First the 16gb which I purchased from the only place I could find it locally in SA. That fell and the screen was shattered. Managed to get the 32 gb from Amazon via MyUS.
My 32gb is definitely better than my 16gb. For some reason my 16gb could not detect my external 1TB Seagate drive via the OTG cable. My 32gb picks it up seamlessly. I don't know why; just happy that it does
I also use my tablet to grab stuff off newsgroups. The extra space is well worth the money.
Guys don't ever get sandisk ultra 64gb. I had 3 of their cards which was purchased at the same time and unfortunately it failed. The issue is rampant on their 64gb ultra (google Sandisk ultra cannot delete files). My micro sd suddenly became a read only device. Files are intact but i cant modify contents which means i cannot do format erase and anything. Practically it became a useless card. Already did windows low level format, tried to check drive permissions and it was not set in read only, no virus. The writting controller chip just broke down. for those who are planning to buy a card and have their cameras and their 4K vids automatically save in the sd card, then don't buy sandisk (at least The 64gb ultra). It seems their cards can't take much writing before it breaks
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Try the hp format tool, solves most issues for me
http://m.download.cnet.com/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool/3000-2094_4-10974082.html
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Ah-Bollox said:
Try the hp format tool, solves most issues for me
http://m.download.cnet.com/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool/3000-2094_4-10974082.html
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Actually i tried everything including that one. I even tried Easeus, Linux and all. Not really a noob when it comes to these things. Seems Sandisk is not really a durable card. I used the card for storing stuff (torrent goes directly to it, 4k video, and all). so i guess it's really time that sony steps up the game when it comes to storage and should give a higher option for users. Maybe 16, 32gb and 64gb (128gb would also be nice) options should be available internationally while still keeping the sdcard for backup purposes. I'm sure people won't mind paying the extra costs for these upgrade options.
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i'll try this card soon:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...1651&cm_re=g._skill_sd-_-20-231-651-_-Product
I have the 64GB Sandisk Exteme Plus. I believe they are MLC vs. the Ultra's TLC you have. MLC lasts longer or better than TLC or so I heard. I'll see if this thing will fail on my phone.
Samsung is a good alternative as almost every phone including the Z3, iPhone etc use Samsung NAND flash for their internal memory. They released their 128GB MicroSD on the 7th and their PRO series is cheaper and performs better than Sandisk's ExtremePlus.
The Samsung EVO series is their lower end equivalent to the Sandisk Ultra, but still better.
As for your issue I have not heard it before now....... SanDisk makes pretty reliable NAND Flash itself.
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Samsung is a good alternative as almost every phone including the Z3, iPhone etc use Samsung NAND flash for their internal memory. They released their 128GB MicroSD on the 7th and their PRO series is cheaper and performs better than Sandisk's ExtremePlus.
The Samsung EVO series is their lower end equivalent to the Sandisk Ultra, but still better.
As for your issue I have not heard it before now....... SanDisk makes pretty reliable NAND Flash itself.
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So are there pro cards their highest type? How much does their 128gb cost? Didn't know That they released one. Yeah i thought sandisk was reliable but this issue on my ultra is the same and rampant on their ultra but the 32gb type
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I have the 64GB Sandisk Exteme Plus. I believe they are MLC vs. the Ultra's TLC you have. MLC lasts longer or better than TLC or so I heard. I'll see if this thing will fail on my phone.
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I think tlc is just the upgraded version of mlc and both are still not really reliable compared to NAND
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I'm planning too buy on ebay. Could you help me by telling the usual price of samsung pro? I want to buy thw 64gb as 128 is not yet available. I am staying away from sandisk after that incident of failing cards
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I think tlc is just the upgraded version of mlc and both are still not really reliable compared to NAND
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They are all NAND. The Phone uses MLC for internal meaning 2 bits per cell with about 2000-3000 writes per cell. TLC is 3 bits per cell which is even worse and slower. More bits per cell means more voltage states for 0/1, leading to lower room for compensation as it wears down leading to failure earlier like 500-1000 writes per cell. Also its slower. Remember when a file is written to the flash and then deleted, even if part of the file is on a partially filled cell, entire cell has to be erased. If there was part of another file on it it has to be moved before it erases. Now imagine that on TLC its much worse.
The PRO series is MLC same as Sandisk Extreme
the EVO is TLC same as SanDisk Ultra
Phone's internal MLC flash is faster because its not only higher grade but faster interconnects as its soldered on.
As for SLC (50,000+ Writes per cell for 20nm) its too expensive and I don't think there are even many SSDs that use it anymore.............. Well basically SLC is in a way "formmatted" for the lack of a better word, as MLC/TLC during production to increase data density at the cost of life of the flash.
Also the smaller the NAND gets the lower the life. The old 50nm NAND MLC has ~10,000 write cycles, 30nm ~5,000 and the current gen which is 20nm is ~3,000.
If you wonder, why make it smaller? Its because the smaller the die the more NAND per wafer, so bigger profits
SLC 100% Space (baseline) (~50,000+ write cycles per cell) (Fastest)
MLC 200% as its 2 bits per cell (~3,000 write cycles per cell) (Good) (Best cost to benefit ratio)
TLC 300% as its 3 bits per cell (~750 write cycles per cell) (Slowest)
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Article about NAND Flash types and how they work:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5067/understanding-tlc-nand
I see. Yeah just read it now tlc is the cheaper and slower one between the 3 types. I think our internal memory uses slc and pro and extreme cards use mlc.
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Internal is also MLC, "almost" no one uses SLC now not even most business grade SSDs.
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Internal is also MLC, "almost" no one uses SLC now not even most business grade SSDs.
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Really? i thought SLC are for those that need high reliability
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Its reliable enough I doubt you would see it die before you switch phones. For example 32 GB Intel SLC SSD costs over $200 while a 512GB MLC SSD costs the same price. At an extreme 20GB scenario of writes per day it will be about a decade of life out of an average 256GB MLC SSD before it fails. So think of the cost to benefit ratio.
My Laptop's Crucial 256GB SSD is rated for 65TB writes so if you extrapolate that to a 32GB in the TMO Z3 you have to write about 8TB of data to wear it out or 10-11GB per day for 2 years which I doubt will ever happen.
FYI an average computer user writes 5-10GB per day, so it will be lower for phones.
Samsung's current gen 3D V NAND MLC/TLC has double the life of regular ssds, I don't think our phone has that though.
If want something interesting, some SSD makers reserve a part of the MLC flash left as SLC for caching.
XPERIA Z3 NAND specs from Samsung, the KLMAG2GEAC is the 16GB module in the list on page 5 of the PDF:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Wg5XrvdAXTaYqy1Fw&sig2=_lMMZJggd0lKxtRps2sPMQ
I've had a Samsung 64GB evo card for about 6 months, and have had absolutely no issues with it.
Clicky
There are really only a few manufactures who make the nand, Samsung/SanDisk/Toshiba... etc Everyone else uses their flash and re-sells it.
Probably more likely to get better quality nand since the manufacturer gets first dibs.
Have SanDisk Ultra microSDXC Class 10 64GB card about 2 months from now and don't have any issues (yet) you described. Let's see.
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I've had a Samsung 64GB evo card for about 6 months, and have had absolutely no issues with it.
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There are really only a few manufactures who make the nand, Samsung/SanDisk/Toshiba... etc Everyone else uses their flash and re-sells it.
Probably more likely to get better quality nand since the manufacturer gets first dibs.
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Very true indeed. Also Micron (aka Crucial) and Intel jointly produce NAND and I believe Kingston and Toshiba also jointly produce.
Samsung is the largest producer overall though for RAM and NAND (<- Best SSDs but expensive), after that I think its Micron (Crucial) (<- Their SSDs are the best bang for the buck with great performance.)
As for SanDisk I am pretty sure they set the standards for SD/MicroSD cards (shape/size etc) they are pretty reliable like the rest of the producers.
OP are you sure you did not get a fake SanDisk?
I remember when I was in India I ordered SanDisk cards for 2 of my friends and me on eBay. I got a 2GB card made to seem as a 16GB and my friends got plastic tabs cut out to look like MicroSD with gold paint for contacts.
Got a refund though. Sandisk and others always say to be careful on eBay, even on Amazon or Newegg buy directly from them, and not the resellers who sell via Amazon/Newegg. You will know because if its a reseller both Newegg/Amazon mention on the side near the price.
Now that's i am doubtful. I tested it with the software HWtest is the name i guess and it passed. I ran it a couple of times and it passed the 64 gb test. And the price was just right when i purchased it. I had no problems filling that up before with a lot of torrent downloads from my phone. Guess it simply just "decided to give up".
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Where did you buy it?
Mine is from ebay from a trusted seller
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Hello
I am using Nexus 7 2013 for a year now and I was thinking of replacing it. The other tablet I am looking for is Samsung Galaxy S 8.4 WiFi.
I mostly use my tablet for reading my coursebooks in pdf via moon+ Reader , Browsing, Movies and little gaming.
How is the development on this tablet going so far ?
Overall, would you recommend it ?
Secondly what is the available memory of 16Gb to the user ? 11.6GB or Something ?
Cheers
Hnk1 said:
Hello
I am using Nexus 7 2013 for a year now and I was thinking of replacing it. The other tablet I am looking for is Samsung Galaxy S 8.4 WiFi.
I mostly use my tablet for reading my coursebooks in pdf via moon+ Reader , Browsing, Movies and little gaming.
How is the development on this tablet going so far ?
Overall, would you recommend it ?
Secondly what is the available memory of 16Gb to the user ? 11.6GB or Something ?
Cheers
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Around 12GB of free memory when you get it. I would recommend at least 32GB SD Card for it and the Lollipop version has a built it app2sd or just use link2sd like I do.
The tablet is very very very thin, compact and light. It will do everything you can throw at it the snapdragon 801 is no slouch. I've been very surprised on how well the shatter proof glass Sony makes too. So durable and scratch resistant!
Development is lacking due to the lack of popularity because Sony makes the devices expensive and hard to get. I bought my Xperia Z3 Tab Compact for $600 off eBay just after Christmas.
I'd say choose the Sony over the Galaxy because I honestly don't like Samsung. That's my personal opinion though.
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Around 12GB of free memory when you get it. I would recommend at least 32GB SD Card for it and the Lollipop version has a built it app2sd or just use link2sd like I do.
The tablet is very very very thin, compact and light. It will do everything you can throw at it the snapdragon 801 is no slouch. I've been very surprised on how well the shatter proof glass Sony makes too. So durable and scratch resistant!
Development is lacking due to the lack of popularity because Sony makes the devices expensive and hard to get. I bought my Xperia Z3 Tab Compact for $600 off eBay just after Christmas.
I'd say choose the Sony over the Galaxy because I honestly don't like Samsung. That's my personal opinion though.
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Cheers mate for summing it up for me !
I also do not like Samsung for many reasons as well, like regionally locked, less development friendly and especially its UI (Touch wiz) which just lags on lower- middle end devices.
I'm divided between getting a new Nexus (the one that'd be released or just get this device )
It's one sale in the UK till may so I think I still have time to grab it for 400$(£269) on John Lewis.
Usually in May- June we see a new nexus tablet but there haven't been any leaks so doesn't seem like one in the making as of yet!
Sony makes it durable and is quite something but I simply hate their SLOW updates and little support in regard to upgrade their devices. Their software department has been really poor!
Another question on my mind is, is the 12 GB memory divided by any means . like internal and Sdcard0 with an option to expand via sdcard which would be sdcard1?
Hnk1 said:
Cheers mate for summing it up for me !
I also do not like Samsung for many reasons as well, like regionally locked, less development friendly and especially its UI (Touch wiz) which just lags on lower- middle end devices.
I'm divided between getting a new Nexus (the one that'd be released or just get this device )
It's one sale in the UK till may so I think I still have time to grab it for 400$(£269) on John Lewis.
Usually in May- June we see a new nexus tablet but there haven't been any leaks so doesn't seem like one in the making as of yet!
Sony makes it durable and is quite something but I simply hate their SLOW updates and little support in regard to upgrade their devices. Their software department has been really poor!
Another question on my mind is, is the 12 GB memory divided by any means . like internal and Sdcard0 with an option to expand via sdcard which would be sdcard1?
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Looks like this in the picture. I'd say 400$ is a good deal. Is it the WiFi or lte model?
Sorry picture didn't work. You have sdcard, sdcard1 and USBdisc.
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Looks like this in the picture. I'd say 400$ is a good deal. Is it the WiFi or lte model?
Sorry picture didn't work. You have sdcard, sdcard1 and USBdisc.
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Yes , it is a WiFi version only with 16gb. 32 is 460$ and LTE version a bit more expensive.
So basically Sony has divided the 16 GB into three parts. This is what im guessing ! One for system (OS /ROM) which is around 1-1.5 GB. This is not shown in settings or via an app. You can find out if you are a developer.
Then there's internal memory on which applications are installed . This is usually 2 GB and lastly there's sdcard which is 12gb as you said before.
The memory can be expanded via sdcard1 (micro SD card) or using a USB via OTG support.
So basically there should be two internal memories. One would be called sdcard0(also internal memory in settings) and other internal memory.
Many thanks once again and I'm attaching my pictures to clarify the points I made.
The device I'm currently using has 1.57 internal and 4gb sdcard0 (called internal again in settings but sdcard0 in file explorer) and 32 GB microsd card (called external /sdcard1 )
So can you please tell me the size for internal memory as well. Not sdcard0 which you have already at 16 GB.
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Yes , it is a WiFi version only with 16gb. 32 is 460$ and LTE version a bit more expensive.
So basically Sony has divided the 16 GB into three parts. This is what im guessing ! One for system (OS /ROM) which is around 1-1.5 GB. This is not shown in settings or via an app. You can find out if you are a developer.
Then there's internal memory on which applications are installed . This is usually 2 GB and lastly there's sdcard which is 12gb as you said before.
The memory can be expanded via sdcard1 (micro SD card) or using a USB via OTG support.
So basically there should be two internal memories. One would be called sdcard0(also internal memory in settings) and other internal memory.
Many thanks once again and I'm attaching my pictures to clarify the points I made.
The device I'm currently using has 1.57 internal and 4gb sdcard0 (called internal again in settings but sdcard0 in file explorer) and 32 GB microsd card (called external /sdcard1 )
So can you please tell me the size for internal memory as well. Not sdcard0 which you have already at 16 GB.
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Here's the screenshots i was trying to post. Internal is mounted to sdcard0, sdcard is mounted to sdcard1 and usbotg is mounted to usbdisk. I have a hidden 8GB EXT4 partition and swap partition on my sdcard because I prefer it that way. If your not going to root just set up your camera to save to sdcard, and move all your large data to sdcard. Its what I did with Lollipop before it had root.