Petition - http://www.groubal.com/ics-compatible-openmax-il-compiled-for-armv6-from-qualcomm/
pls vote this
and forum Qualcomm - https://developer.qualcomm.com/forum/qdevnet-forums/multimedia-optimization-qdsp/13248
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but why make another post, i think that one is enough .
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but why make another post, i think that one is enough .
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It's another one with more explanations especially for Qualcomm
And the other thread was not updated
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The petition from change.org is totally wrong. That petition was geared towards ARM, when really it should be for Qualcomm. This new petition is for Qualcomm (so the near 10000 signatures on that other petition are pretty much useless; the only use I can see in them is if Qualcomm is swayed by the number of people supporting the cause).
already signed....also post the links to other fb group and local forum
and how many signatures are needed for this petition? or have to wait qualcomm?
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and how many signatures are needed for this petition? or have to wait qualcomm?
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We might get a million signatures but if Qualcomm says no, then that's the end of the story
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How many signatures is the target? 10,000?
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The petition from change.org is totally wrong. That petition was geared towards ARM, when really it should be for Qualcomm. This new petition is for Qualcomm (so the near 10000 signatures on that other petition are pretty much useless; the only use I can see in them is if Qualcomm is swayed by the number of people supporting the cause).
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yeah i know about that, but they could just edit the first post
anyway hope that Qualcomm will release the drivers soon, ICS will be great on our O1
EDIT : nearly 1500 signatures, COOL !!!
Previous one had only 4337 signatures under it, and it was just enough to take their attention... Still no replies from officials on their forums...
Back last year, us in the Legend community were harassing HTC on their Facebook page for our Froyo update. Great times!
Now that I own a P500, I want to further make our voices heard through Facebook, so the petition has been (hopefully) made to QC's attention:
http://www.facebook.com/qualcomm/posts/242180012557312
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Back last year, us in the Legend community were harassing HTC on their Facebook page for our Froyo update. Great times!
Now that I own a P500, I want to further make our voices heard through Facebook, so the petition has been (hopefully) made to QC's attention:
http://www.facebook.com/qualcomm/posts/242180012557312
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Hey guys check this out!
I love qualcomm is still giving attention to older product
Re: Petition: Release OpenMax codecs for arm v6 OMX IL libs ...
31 May 2012, 01:41 pm
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Hello, we have seen your feedback on this and we are looking into the matter for any possible solutions. Thanks!
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So far, these are the only responses I have seen from Qualcomm (on twitter):
Jun 13: Thanks for your interest. We're considering any possible solutions and will let you know when we have an update.
Jun 15: We're considering any possible solutions and will keep you posted when we have an update. Thanks for your interest!
Jun 16: Thanks for your interest in the OMX drivers. We're considering possible solutions & we'll keep you posted when we have an update.
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I'm hoping the wording means something. First they said "we're considering any possible solutions" but now it's "we're considering possible solutions." I might be taking things too far, but by taking out the "any," it sounds like they might have some solutions. Once again, I might just be getting my hopes high.
But onto something more important than wording:
I think instead of asking "please release the drivers," the question should now be "have you found any solutions regarding the omx drivers" or maybe even "what chance do ARMv6 phones have of getting updated omx drivers." I'm hoping for a more definite answer (I'd rather hear that we will not get it instead of waiting for an update that will never come). Can someone ask any of these questions (or a better question if you have one) on their page, preferably twitter because they don't seem to be too active on their facebook page and on their forum).
If they have totally forgotten about us (or are not actually trying to find such solutions), this will remind them that they gave us their word that they will find solutions.
In case you were wondering why I posted this out of nowhere, it is because:
1. Support for this "cause" seems to be dying down now. I don't want it to come to a point where we all just give up and deal with what we have, which is a bug-ridden rom. We can look for more support, but I think it's time we get a somewhat definite answer from Qualcomm.
2. I'm sick of CM7
Of course, we must remember that they don't have to do this and, whether they are successful or not, appreciate that they even replied to our request in the first place.
If they have msm7227a with just the same hardware, but arm7 core, I can't understand why they can't just recompile it for arm6? Strong kernel dependencies?
I think this might be marketing-related.
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If they have msm7227a with just the same hardware, but arm7 core, I can't understand why they can't just recompile it for arm6? Strong kernel dependencies?
I think this might be marketing-related.
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Definitely agree with you. I don't think a company has any reason to drop support for any of its older products other than to force users to buy the newer products. Really makes it pointless to buy anything at all because they will always release newer products. I just hope Qualcomm lives up to the reputation it set for itself after releasing the Adreno drivers last time.
And I know for a fact that Qualcomm has the power to recompile for ARMv6. After all, Qualcomm did it with the Adreno drivers.
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Definitely agree with you. I don't think a company has any reason to drop support for any of its older products other than to force users to buy the newer products. Really makes it pointless to buy anything at all because they will always release newer products. I just hope Qualcomm lives up to the reputation it set for itself after releasing the Adreno drivers last time.
And I know for a fact that Qualcomm has the power to recompile for ARMv6. After all, Qualcomm did it with the Adreno drivers.
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The drivers will be released, just have patience...
If they were to drop their support, they would have already posted that they wont be able to update those drivers...
They are responding to our queries n that means they are working on it...
Have patience, nothing more...
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They still may answer 'NO' .
The situation makes me think they might have some marketing agreement on this, not to release updates until their partners are able to sell newer models. They are highly dependent on selling end products after all. If they release them too soon, chinese market might be overfilled with cheap arm6-driven ics devices . They already have cheap arm7 devices though...
Anyway, clear answer is highly awaited by many people watching this threads.
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They still may answer 'NO' .
The situation makes me think they might have some marketing agreement on this, not to release updates until their partners are able to sell newer models. They are highly dependent on selling end products after all. If they release them too soon, chinese market might be overfilled with cheap arm6-driven ics devices . They already have cheap arm7 devices though...
Anyway, clear answer is highly awaited by many people watching this threads.
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The answer did end up being no (more info in the following link):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27627783
If only Qualcomm told us what they attempted to do regarding the drivers. Maybe that would have helped our developers.
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I think they just don't want to release them. They didn't released any code for that chip before. Totally lame.
If they won't support it, maybe we should ask for unsupported version, provided as is?
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I emailed HTC support (and the contact form on htcdev.com) several times about releasing the source code. Whenever I contact customer support directly, they always say the same thing: "If you feel like it's important, please submit the request through htcdev.com and we will listen to it if we get enough requests" (that's the concise version).
So I know with ICS coming out, the current kernel source will be useless soon, but if people continue to request it, they'll be more likely to respond to it. I'm not holding my breath, but it's possible that eventually they will if they see enough people complaining about it.
Anyone been bugging HTC about it?
GPL requires that source be released for the modified binary (kernel), but because the modules are and can be compiled outside the kernel, they are not required to be open sourced. You can go get the kernel source right now. The chipset manufacturer might have an agreement with HTC that requires them to not publish their proprietary drivers, it might be completely out of HTC's control. Since you never specified that you wanted kernel module source code, but just "source code" in general, I'm guessing you didn't realize that they aren't required to give this. Also, don't encourage people to bug them to release something that isn't required.
Yes I have.. to no avail
Someone just started a thread in regards to them not allowing s-off and their response, I got the same response but they also responded to my kernel questions saying there are "proprietary" factors involved. I responded that it was dumb and they're losing the nerds to Samsung, the nerds who tell their friends what phones to buy. They said they'd take it into consideration. Ha.
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I understand there may be proprietary factors involved, and completely get it.
However, it seems strange and off-putting that their kernel source page does not list the Amaze (unless I am missing something, in which case it's totally my bad). At the same time I see almost every other phone HTC has made in recent memory...
I'm not trying to be ridiculous, but HTC does claim to be dev-friendly, and this phone clearly is not. It's also been out a while, and will probably be replaced as the top-end phone very soon, so who knows.
I don't mean to stir the pot or do things that are instigatory but on the other hand if HTC doesn't know there's a demand for something, they'll never do it (why would they?)
It's listed as "HTC Amaze 4G (TMOUS ) - GBCRC - 2.6.35 kernel source code" here:
http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/ruby_GB-crc-2.6.35_19a3d1a.tar.gz
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I responded that it was dumb and they're losing the nerds to Samsung, the nerds who tell their friends what phones to buy. They said they'd take it into consideration. Ha.
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Hahahaha, +1
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Someone just started a thread in regards to them not allowing s-off and their response, I got the same response but they also responded to my kernel questions saying there are "proprietary" factors involved. I responded that it was dumb and they're losing the nerds to Samsung, the nerds who tell their friends what phones to buy. They said they'd take it into consideration. Ha.
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haha +2, this is funny, maybe I should give them a call too!!! I bet if we started a thread for all the amaze owners to call HTC and complain they would get fed up and do something...but then again perhaps not!!!
Or we can just continue this thread...Please everyone call HTC and start bugging them!! tell them they can't compete agains the galaxy S II and they are losing a lot of customers to samsung for crippling development on this phone. they need to release the full kernel source and wifi drivers and give us S-off... Just a suggestion, you guys do whatever you want
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It's listed as "HTC Amaze 4G (TMOUS ) - GBCRC - 2.6.35 kernel source code" here:
http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/ruby_GB-crc-2.6.35_19a3d1a.tar.gz
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Hm I didn't notice that, weird. Thanks though I'll check it out. I'd like to get into the kernel game.
According to Binary, there are about 30 partitions and they've only released the source to 5 of those, and one of them is partial boot.img that's why you cannot flash kernel via CWM.
This is what binary has said:
"The Android Open Source is available and the HTC Source Code is available but that only applies to the partitions that we have access to. Boot, data, system, cache. There are over 30 partitions and we don't even know what over half of them are! Many would be used to control the overall function of the device."
So we don't have the full source.
I don't think HTC has ever release full source for any device. They've release kernel source, sans any proprietary drivers. I doubt they'd ever release bootloader source, sense source, etc.
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I don't think HTC has ever release full source for any device. They've release kernel source, sans any proprietary drivers. I doubt they'd ever release bootloader source, sense source, etc.
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ya but kernel source would be huge if they did. so much for android open source. google should make it a rule that any company that releases an android phone must release full source to public...or else it is not a true android phone. lol
seansk said:
ya but kernel source would be huge if they did. so much for android open source. google should make it a rule that any company that releases an android phone must release full source to public...or else it is not a true android phone. lol
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Yeah, I don't think you understand. A company can release a proprietary app on top of an open-source OS. Proprietary kernel modules are a gray area, as to whether or not it's a derived work of the kernel. They have to, by GPL, release any modified kernel source, which is what they give us. Granted, it's not everything, but at least it's something.
And Android is still open-sourced. Sense, is not.
Experience with HTC
So a few days ago I sent a comment to HTC about their lack of source for the necessary drivers, how that affects the user community, and arguably less important, the lack of S-OFF.
I got an email response that completely ignored the concern with drivers and focused entirely on how to unlock the device (which I had acknowledged in my previous email).
They asked for feedback on how I felt my issue was resolved and I responded that I was dissatisfied.
Today, someone called to follow up on the issue and I explained in greater detail my concerns and thoughts that being even more open would only help HTC. She told me that HTC takes these issues seriously, but there was a process to follow for HTC to recognize they need to make changes, and encouraged me to keep letting HTC know how I feel about things - So I would suggest that getting everyone on this forum to contact HTC might not be a bad thing, or perhaps a group petition outlining what is needed and why.
Also I did make another suggestion which she seemed to think was a very good idea, which is to have HTC formalize an open community development effort much like IBM did several years ago. What IBM did and I would like to see HTC do is set up a portal (of course XDA could be used right now for this) where software that is acknowledged to be in alpha or beta stages of development is made available to everyone who wants it, with the understanding there are no warranties about the usability or quality. The portal has issue tracking and direct interaction with the dev team that puts out the software. The idea is the people who use the software are the early adopter crowd and tend to be both knowledgeable, pretty intensive testers, and often are developers. HTC could get feed back, ideas, and likely even some development for no real cost and early adopters can get the latest and greatest software and a direct line of communication to the developers. If you think that is a good idea, I would also encourage you to let HTC know.
-Tony
Just received this from HTC.....
Dear xx-xx,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC Flyer.
My name is David and I am a Technical Support Agent for the HTC Written Team.
I understand that you wish to enquire if the Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) update will be made available for your tablet.
We really do appreciate your interest in our products Tristan. I do apologise but the HTC Flyer would not be receiving the ICS update. This is because this update is not compatible with this device. HTC has tested this update extensively on the HTC Flyer and can confirm that this device is not capable of running this update.
I do apologise for the inconvenience this may be causing you.
To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here.
Sincerely,
David
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I'm not worried, I'm sure the mod community will come up with a solution for us, but I'd hate to lose the scribe functionality, is anyone clued up enough to suggest if developers are going to be able to retain that?
Not compatible, lmao whatever. Why is it so hard for tech support people to just say "I apologize but I am just an employee and I am uninformed of these kind of decisions ".
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What a load of crap don't take his word for it just wait and see for official word.
lol that's just a big fat lie xD
Since when does any Customer Service rep, for any company, have even the slightest clue what they're talking about?
Yeah do you have an email for that guy, so i can write him back and tell him he's full of it?
Not capable yet people on xda get ports working 75% of the way using another devices firmware
Doubt were going to see official
lol that's not official at all! silly customer service reps.
Well at least we can confirm that the HTC One X and EVO 4G LTE have been impounded by customs here in the US and are no longer for sale..... Thanks to Apple, so HTC ain't making a lot of people happy this month.
And this quote "This is because this update is not compatible with this device. HTC has tested this update extensively on the HTC Flyer and can confirm that this device is not capable of running this update. "
..............is straight out the Google / Vendor Android support agreement
Yeah the one where Google tried to force all the vendors to support with updates for 18 months. No vendor would sign up to that, so they inserted this escape clause in the agreement. 18 months IF THE DEVICE IS COMPATIBLE with the update.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOL LOLLOOLLLLLL extensive testing my A$$.....
HTC's testing amounted to "does this make us money? ...NO, , OK it's not compatible then !!"
The least they could do is to release the source code of whatever build (if any) they have been testing Flyer with, to the community!!
Incompatible with ICS..that is complete bulls***..we had a very similar response from Samsung when we asked for GB update for Galaxy 3 (my current phone). Thanks to a very active developer community here on XDA, we have not only multiple GB ROMs (including CM 7.2) but also ICS now..hope something similar happens to Flyer..screw HTC!
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The least they could do is to release the source code of whatever build (if any) they have been testing Flyer with, to the community!!
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOL LOLLOOLLLLLL extensive testing my A$$.....
HTC's testing amounted to "does this make us money? ...NO, , OK it's not compatible then !!"
Isn't the HTC one v basically the same hardware minus the front camera and half the ram? Their excuse doesn't fly. Either way this csr doesn't know anything anyway.
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Even if the CSR knows nothing, what's been said before still applies. If HTC considered updating the Flyer to ICS, we would have seen leaked ROMs or at lease some leaked shots or videos of the device running it.
That being said, I highly doubt HTC plans any updates for us.
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Not compatible, lmao whatever. Why is it so hard for tech support people to just say "I apologize but I am just an employee and I am uninformed of these kind of decisions ".
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Actually, that's not quite true. While they may not be part of the decision-making process, someone in HTC management drafted a response for the reps communicating with customers. This is the information that has been approved to share outside the company by this person. Someone is Legal or PR may have more information, but techs and CSRs only have what management gives them.
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Actually, that's not quite true. While they may not be part of the decision-making process, someone in HTC management drafted a response for the reps communicating with customers. This is the information that has been approved to share outside the company by this person. Someone is Legal or PR may have more information, but techs and CSRs only have what management gives them.
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I would guess this verbage came from HTC corporate because
this quote "This is because this update is not compatible with this device. HTC has tested this update extensively on the HTC Flyer and can confirm that this device is not capable of running this update. "
..............is straight out the Google / Vendor Android support agreement
Yeah the one where Google tried to force all the vendors to support with updates for 18 months. No vendor would sign up to that, so they inserted this escape clause in the agreement. 18 months unless THE MANUFACTURE DETERMINES THAT THE DEVICE IS NOT COMPATIBLE with the update.
It doesn't matter anyway, any update we get will just be slow, laggy, and buggy. It would be nice for developers but then again the hc update was so bad developers couldn't fix it either so yeah it doesn't matter.
Anyway I say the csr doesn't know what he's talking about because this is the third different thing they've said recently. They told me on Facebook that they are still evaluating, they told another member August, and they told the op its not compatible. Who's actually giving the right answer?
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A honeycomb minor upgrade for the current bugs would be much better and more probable if many users mention the GPS issue since it's important. This update might bring other minor bugs if demanded a fix for the Current honeycomb.
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A honeycomb minor upgrade for the current bugs would be much better and more probable if many users mention the GPS issue since it's important. This update might bring other minor bugs if demanded a fix for the Current honeycomb.
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I think it would be the better option. An ics update would just be rushed and buggy. Fixing honeycomb would do more good. It's more than just Gps, honeycomb runs slower, and uses more battery. I don't care about hardware buttons though, honeycomb isn't designed to use them anyway and I prefer the virtual buttons as they are better placed.
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Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
PUSH
+1 COME ON GUYS :laugh:
No f****** way... I'd certainly donate to a dev that could do that.
Intelmaster90 said:
Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
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I don't think so. This has been discussed in many topics. And in no way belongs in development and should be in general. Basically the answer is no, because Win 8 is going to require an encrypted bootloader built on specific devices. Porting most likely isn't going to happen.
OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
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OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
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boo f'in hoo.
(thank tha godz ur here to monitor progressssss.)
excuse someone for being happy about something possibly TFP related
(that has a life outside of their Droid).
nothing EVAR gets hacked when it comes to Droid or Prime
(that's why this forum doesn't really exist.....
and why JB won't ever come to the ATP).
amiright?!*#@!?
You aren't going to be able to acquire installable images of Windows 8 RT unless you are an OEM. August 15 is the Technet subs release.
And you sure as heck ain't going to be able to dd the bootloader off for the same reasons you can't now.
Not to mention the god awful hacks needed to get it to run on a device with less than min screen res, and obvious legal issues.
As for that linked driver release. It looks like ye olde nvidia unified driver architecture. It even includes the profiles for games that aren't even on the ARM platform. Not entirely sure why there is Tegra 2 support in there though.
Well, with the "so-called" security crap MS put into Windows regarding bootloaders... as @HydroSkillet said, unless someone manages to get a manufacturer signed, MS approved encrypted bootloader, changes are probably too slim to be considered...
One thing I learned here at xda is never accept the fact that a rom/port/app won't get created for our devices. We are blessed with outstanding devs.
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Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
Diamondback said:
Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
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EVEN if the port is technically feasible the legality of the port is at best sketchy and plainly put illegal. I hope after drinking the Android coolaid, you guys still remember that Windows is a proprietary OS. And on that grounds alone, I can bet that there is a snowball's chance in hell that that stuff will ever surface on XDA OR Rootzwiki.
In that light, there may be a popsicle's chance in hell that MS may do something to allow people to purchase a license and crap like that. Then may be if MS and the android devs or Asus can figure out a compromise and come up with a way to install it on the device with legally acquired software and a license then yes... But if you are SERIOUSLY expecting a port like an ICS/JB ROM, then I laugh at u! :laugh: LOL! It is M$ man! And u are asking for software piracy on XDA! lemme go and get a good laugh today! I needed it
End of Story. Good night!
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Pretty much a long shot. [Side note: I don't claim closed source is in any way less ethical or demeaning or whatever than open source... It is another valid software development model and I kinda hate some type of FOSS enthusiasts who just plain trash Windows from their high horse...] Anyway, Bill Gates doesn't really run the company no more! He is busy doing activism and philanthropic pursuits (he is a very nice guy actually.. But I must say, not the best orator)...
What were we talking about? Oh yeah. Windows 8 on our Tablet.. I think for the benefit of all, I suppose it is best for a proper dev to step in and just say why this can never happen, so that we don't see people asking this again and again only to be utterly disappointed by the reality.
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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So you want them to open source software that they spent millions developing and are currently charging people to buy?
Do you live in some strange world where Microsoft actually does nice things?
If you want iOS , buy an iPad.
If you want W8, buy Surface.
There are ports of Win Mobile to other phones but I don't think it will happen with W8. It's called frontal perseveration, a neurological trouble that makes you repeat the same behavior even if it's inappopriate or aimless.
Widows phones are a failure, but instead of changing things they will go on further and harder by closing more and more, with more sophisticated protections/activation procedures and so on.
This thread is nonsense.
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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yea, while at it why not write to One Infinite Loop in Cupertino as well?
don't know if to LOL or CRY when reading posts like this
Look good news, hope is going be true and full compatibily :good:
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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The existence of Linux has very little to do with Windows being closed source.
The popularity of Linux however, does to some small extent.
Regards,
Dave
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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Gnu/Linux exists for several reasons. Gnu is a materialization of Stallman's wish to have an open source OS, Linux is only the kernel part. It was historically a way to compile and use UNIX programs on PC computers.
It's true that it's a reaction to the world of Apple, windows, Sun (UNIX). But not specifically against Windows.
What is the most sad is that Apples took a UNIX bsd base, and made a now closed OS than Redmond's firm...
It's possible to write an email or something to HTC to relase the 3D camera drivers for the Evo 3D?
The Evo 3d's developement is gonna be dying,we don't want this
the old HD2 gets the new KitKat and they don't give up.I should we can do something together.I don't know who is capable to relase them drivers but I wanna ask they to do it.Maybe if we letter they it's possible to get the drivers
There is no polite way to say it, but if you email them, they will very politely say go f*ck yourself, we will not give you anything
With a big enough petition we MIGHT get them, but that has been tried before and none of them has gotten enough votes.
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1ackass said:
There is no polite way to say it, but if you email them, they will very politely say go f*ck yourself, we will not give you anything
With a big enough petition we MIGHT get them, but that has been tried before and none of them has gotten enough votes.
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so sad
Actually, there is a way to have alot of chances to archive it or making HTC really pi$$ed off with developer scene.
My idea was to start up a petition that is written in a way that will make HTC feel massive discomfort to the point they will be forced to give an effective answer to the issue, a good one or a really bad one
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You need to break down the issues and the reason of this petition as this:
1. This petition is done because, while in vague theory they do, technicaly the company does not provide the full sources that can lead to proper builds and this is effectively a GPL violation. (Rough explanation but you get the point)
2. You need to make it clear that your demands have nothing to do with asking the company to bring out a software update to the device and that any such claim or excuse is out of topic.
3. You need to point out that if so many other companies did the right move and released to the public such stuff, even companies that released them after they got defunct, you don't see why HTC wouldn't do it, especialy at a period that their integrity in the market is on trial and their feedback, support and marketing are the key factors that will have the first and the last word if they will survive the pressure.
4. Also emphasize on the fact that since you don't ask actually for a software update which could take hours and money to develop, you don't see the reason why they wouldn't release the drivers for 3D features which is a thing that could take as much as 5 seconds to do so on their dev site.
I want to start a petition for it but people on XDA are really better on these stuff so I wait for someone else with more reputation and experience to do such thing, or atleast a person that I could work on it together. I hope also XDA would spread out the word after the petition is done such it would be a pretty intresting thing to see (apart from the results) in the Android ecosystem.
So anyone with me?
We tried for our desire to write to HTC (flooding in the end) to release camera drivers to have it properly working with ion, but they answered that they couldn't give US them because they are proprietary (not HTC)
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We tried for our desire to write to HTC (flooding in the end) to release camera drivers to have it properly working with ion, but they answered that they couldn't give US them because they are proprietary (not HTC)
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That's a cheap excuse if that's true. They could give you info with who's is responsible for them. It was a tricky answer and to be honest, it wouldn't be the first time they lie about stuff like that, and unfortunately it seems like it wasn't and won't be the last, we are seeing a trend here that needs to end asap.
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That's a cheap excuse if that's true. They could give you info with who's is responsible for them. It was a tricky answer and to be honest, it wouldn't be the first time they lie about stuff like that, and unfortunately it seems like it wasn't and won't be the last, we are seeing a trend here that needs to end asap.
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Yes I know, we expect that after the behavior they had with newer devices, after all desire is 3 years old.
This [New Approach to get HTC to listen.] thread was OP by hasoon2000, and stickied into Tony Stark's "General sticky."
It is more important now than ever to ask HTC to lend a hand, especially in making some unreleased code available.
Please see the link for the simple instructions.
Thanks,
pbergonzi
pbergonzi said:
This [New Approach to get HTC to listen.] thread was OP by hasoon2000, and stickied into Tony Stark's "General sticky."
It is more important now than ever to ask HTC to lend a hand, especially in making some unreleased code available.
Please see the link for the simple instructions.
Thanks,
pbergonzi
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I followed the advice, contacting them, and within 12 hours got this reply, and attempted to provide the requested information:
"Dear (pbergonzi),
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Support.
(pbergonzi), first of all I would like to thank you for being a member of our family of smart mobile devices. In this case, I want to make sure your request is passed along to our proper department. Remember your thoughts are imperative for us to grow as a community. Our goal is always to provide you with top of the line devices as well as a spectacular HTC experience.
In this case, in order to pass this information to the proper department, I will like to know the following:
• Carrier
• Android version / Software version requesting source code for
• Radio Version Note: This is Baseband version on Android devices
• Serial Number/MEID/ IMEI/ESN
• Software Number
• Full Name
• Email Address
• Contact Number
• Mobile Number
• Preferred Contact Time
• Time Zone
• Carrier
I look forward to your reply with the necessary informaiton. Please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from (8 Am – 1 Am) ET, 7 days a week or you can reply to this email by clicking on the link below.
Thank you for being a member of our HTC community and I wish you a good day!
If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.
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I can only imagine what would happen if 5 million more of us contacted them.
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I followed the advice, contacting them, and within 12 hours got this reply, and attempted to provide the requested information:
"Dear (pbergonzi),
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Support.
(pbergonzi), first of all I would like to thank you for being a member of our family of smart mobile devices. In this case, I want to make sure your request is passed along to our proper department. Remember your thoughts are imperative for us to grow as a community. Our goal is always to provide you with top of the line devices as well as a spectacular HTC experience.
In this case, in order to pass this information to the proper department, I will like to know the following:
• Carrier
• Android version / Software version requesting source code for
• Radio Version Note: This is Baseband version on Android devices
• Serial Number/MEID/ IMEI/ESN
• Software Number
• Full Name
• Email Address
• Contact Number
• Mobile Number
• Preferred Contact Time
• Time Zone
• Carrier
I look forward to your reply with the necessary informaiton. Please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/ or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from (8 Am – 1 Am) ET, 7 days a week or you can reply to this email by clicking on the link below.
Thank you for being a member of our HTC community and I wish you a good day!
If this answers your comment or question, please click here to complete the process.
To submit another comment, please click here.
Sincerely,
The HTCDev Team
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I can only imagine what would happen if 5 million more of us contacted them.
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I hate to rain on your parade, but you're referencing a nearly two year old post that was made at a time when HTC wasn't unlocking devices or providing source code for them. Tens of thousands did write letters and signed several online petitions, the most famous of which was at change.org. HTC eventually did bow to pressure and provided the means to unlock boot-loaders and released the source code. It's why we and other HTC owners can run different kernels and ROMs now, without jumping through hoops trying crazy hacks and exploits to do so.
The issues are now with the component manufacturers like Texas Instruments and Qualcomm who have yet to release up to date open sourced drivers for newer kernels. Heck, it took petitions and a letter writing campaign just to get them to release the stale sources we have now that were already nearly two years old. Don't hold your breath that they'll be inclined to release any newer ones for a device as old as ours is.
Sorry to give you the bad news but you're jumping in with this pretty late in the game. Our device wasn't a big seller, and was eclipsed by lighter more powerful units within 3 months of its release. All but a handful of devs left for greener pastures long ago. What we have left is a small group of dedicated diehards who are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. Just be thankful that we have them, and that any work is still being done here.
Look at this forum, on a busy day there's maybe 6-7 posts, but on average 2-3. Were lucky that the powers that run this place haven't relegated us to "legacy" status yet. Again, I don't want to down you out, but even if every active reader of this forum were to run out and immediately do as you suggest, we'd be lucky to get a hundred sent in. I'm sorry, but these are the facts. To believe anything else would be at best hopeless optimism, or at worst pure fantasy. Just my opinion.
Ciao
Oh, thanks Odysseus. The history lesson was edifying and poignant. Since the subject was stickied, it still seemed relevant.
Nevertheless, after ravike mentioned just recently about communicating with someone there, I thought communication at the very least wouldn't hurt, and who knows if someone somewhere might just change something. I think that energy spent in changing my mind would be better spent and more psychically rewarding directed toward HTC, even though presumably useless. You for example, are certainly articulate enough that your words might well work a lasting sympathetic response in a developer, and who knows where that will go, even if he doesn't directly reply in kind--he might for example, be kinder to the person who brings his coffee, just as an example.
Granted, 5 million members of xda are not about to contact HTC, however, as the little sparrow, with feet pointed skyward to prevent it from falling, said to the chuckling farmer who doubted him, "One does what one can."
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Odysseus1962 said:
I hate to rain on your parade, but you're referencing a nearly two year old post that was made at a time when HTC wasn't unlocking devices or providing source code for them. Tens of thousands did write letters and signed several online petitions, the most famous of which was at change.org. HTC eventually did bow to pressure and provided the means to unlock boot-loaders and released the source code. It's why we and other HTC owners can run different kernels and ROMs now, without jumping through hoops trying crazy hacks and exploits to do so.
The issues are now with the component manufacturers like Texas Instruments and Qualcomm who have yet to release up to date open sourced drivers for newer kernels. Heck, it took petitions and a letter writing campaign just to get them to release the stale sources we have now that were already nearly two years old. Don't hold your breath that they'll be inclined to release any newer ones for a device as old as ours is.
Sorry to give you the bad news but you're jumping in with this pretty late in the game. Our device wasn't a big seller, and was eclipsed by lighter more powerful units within 3 months of its release. All but a handful of devs left for greener pastures long ago. What we have left is a small group of dedicated diehards who are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. Just be thankful that we have them, and that any work is still being done here.
Look at this forum, on a busy day there's maybe 6-7 posts, but on average 2-3. Were lucky that the powers that run this place haven't relegated us to "legacy" status yet. Again, I don't want to down you out, but even if every active reader of this forum were to run out and immediately do as you suggest, we'd be lucky to get a hundred sent in. I'm sorry, but these are the facts. To believe anything else would be at best hopeless optimism, or at worst pure fantasy. Just my opinion.
Ciao
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@pbergonzi I do appreciate that you are trying to help, but the Amaze is LONG dead. If you decide to visit HTC's official website, the Amaze has vanished. They are pretending it never existed. The only things left are old drivers and antiquated software support from HTC (doesn't apply to us anymore). From what I saw, they only released source because they would have been breaking the GPL, thus decreasing their reputation as a smartphone manufacturer.
Also, it's not that HTC doesn't want to support us, it's that they can't. Texas Instruments doesn't support our chipset, and never will because this phone didn't sell. HTC has absolutely no obligation to release source code for less than a dozen hobbyist developers. They have better things to do, like develop for the HTC One. Why would they care about us. That's the ugly unwritten truth about companies.
If they do decide to spontaneously resume support, I will buy 3 goats, paint numbers "1", "2", and "4" on them and release the goats while in school and let them run wild!
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Oh, thanks Odysseus. The history lesson was edifying and poignant. Since the subject was stickied, it still seemed relevant.
Nevertheless, after ravike mentioned just recently about communicating with someone there, I thought communication at the very least wouldn't hurt, and who knows if someone somewhere might just change something. I think that energy spent in changing my mind would be better spent and more psychically rewarding directed toward HTC, even though presumably useless. You for example, are certainly articulate enough that your words might well work a lasting sympathetic response in a developer, and who knows where that will go, even if he doesn't directly reply in kind--he might for example, be kinder to the person who brings his coffee, just as an example.
Granted, 5 million members of xda are not about to contact HTC, however, as the little sparrow, with feet pointed skyward to prevent it from falling, said to the chuckling farmer who doubted him, "One does what one can."
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Listen, I hope my comments haven't dampened your enthusiasm. I truly love this device. It's the perfect size for my needs, takes great photos, and connects to the net much faster than the HD2 it replaced. The hardware still holds its own 3 years after release. It was the top of the line when it came out and the build quality that one would expect from a high-end product is evident wherever you look on the device.
The only problem with it is software, in particular an outdated OS. The very software that allows lesser devices to perform better than this, is what's holding it back. Please don't be discouraged, instead learn what you can so that you too can contribute to our small, but loyal community. Together, each in his own way, we can continue to keep the amaze alive.
Maybe it should be "New Approach to get Texas Instuments to listen."
Like for example, in the TI Engineer to Engineer community, where ravike14 is trying to get a little satisfaction regarding unreleased code:
http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/307/p/305896/1089531.aspx#1089531