Hey guys,
yesterday, i rooted my phone via this method, mainly because you don't need to flash an insecure kernel.
Everything worked perfectly, and after removing lots of bloatware and changing a few things, i plugged it into Samsung KIES.
And wow, the phone is still being recognized as being on official firmware even though it's rooted. Theoretically i should be able to upgrade it via KIES.
So my question is:
Is it safe to upgrade my phone via KIES after the changes I made to the stock ROM? Should i unroot? Or is it better to flash with odin?
I would proceed flashing updates with ODIN. I never had any issues using this tool but so with KIES.
A lot of users talk about download issues while updating via KIES. This could not happen when using ODIN.
But back to your original question. I don't know if proceeding with KIES after system modifications is save anymore.
Theoretically, if you're running a rooted kernel over stock firmware, Kies should work as intended (assuming you're running firmware for your region); I.E you should still be able to get OTA firmware updates via Kies.
The real world experience on here is it seems to be about 50/50 - half people in this situation find Kies works, half don't.
To answer your questions, yes, you should be fine to have OTA updates happen. If you're running a rooted kernel with CWM, you have the added advantage of being able to do a Nandroid backup before you accept any OTA updates. Obviously if you do allow an OTA firmware update to happen, it will overwrite your existing rom & kernel and your phone will be unrooted so you'll have to re-root it.
No need for you to un-root manually beforehand, and yes, you can always just as easily flash stock firmware updates (which you can get on here, Samfirmware or via Checkfus) via Odin, which is what people who find Kies doesn't work after rooting or returning to stock firmware after running custom firmware tend to do on here.
hoffm59 said:
I would proceed flashing updates with ODIN. I never had any issues using this tool but so with KIES.
A lot of users talk about download issues while updating via KIES. This could not happen when using ODIN.
But back to your original question. I don't know if proceeding with KIES after system modifications is save anymore.
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Thanks for the reply I've used ODIN in the past, so that's not a problem. I was just impressed that my phone was still recognized after all the changes I made to it's software (removed the hubs and all that stuff, installed cwm...).
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And thanks MistahBungle for some further clarification, I think I'll give KIES a try first then, just to see what happens And if the samsung bloatware will be reinstalled...
brittonberkan said:
Thanks for the reply I've used ODIN in the past, so that's not a problem. I was just impressed that my phone was still recognized after all the changes I made to it's software (removed the hubs and all that stuff, installed cwm...).
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And thanks MistahBungle for some further clarification, I think I'll give KIES a try first then, just to see what happens And if the samsung bloatware will be reinstalled...
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You can usually download firmware that's on the kies server via CHECKFUS and flash that with Odin . Just needs the correct codes inputting for any firmware .
jje
You don't have to unroot. You can update via kies.
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so did you successfully upgraded your phone via kies even your phone is rooted?
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Isn't this thread rather old?
"To err is human, to forgive is divine"
Sent from my SGS II
You know what would be really good ? People posting to the correct forum(s) for their device. I don't care that Kies is common to all Samsung phones, if you're having problems with using Kies/want to use it with a rooted phone, post to AT&T Skyrocket Q&A.
(And yes, why necro a 12 mth old thread in forum for a completely different device ? :-/)
To the people who happen to chance upon this thread while searching, in the future:
The information in this thread relates to the Galaxy S2 international variant only. Even though Kies is a multi-device software, your results WILL vary as your device varies. Exercise precaution while going about it.
To avoid further necro-ing, this thread is now closed. Please search for a thread for your device to post in. If that is not available, create one in your device's Q&A fora.
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I have a sgs2 and rooted it with odin oneclick... now i cant upgrade to the latest firmware.. i think it's 2.3.4 (or if there is an even newer version out now) since it's rooted, can anyone help me out how to do this upgrade (to latest firmware) the easy way so i dont loose anything on the phone.
My current kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKDD-CL161513.........
Build number gingerbread xwke2 if this info helps..
Im would be very happy if someone would be so kind and help me with this, thanks in advance for any help.
Can you not use kies? Should still be able to use it rooted.
Root has nothing to do with KIES upgrades... If KIES says "This is the latest firmware" then it is indeed the latest firmware for your country/code... 2.3.4 is not yet released officially to many countries and country codes yet...
If you flashed somewhat BETA or custom ROM you get error like "You cannot upgrade this" or something similiar to that...
I get a error failure report, and to try using kies or something else. I tried doing the upgrade on the phone directly, checking for updates and downloading and installing, but everytime i get this error failure report
My phone is unlocked, and now i flashed it with original kernel to remove that annoying ! mark in bootup, so now i dont have a unsecure kernel any longer... but even with this original kernel now i couldnt upgrade the firmware using only the phone
Is it a must to use kies ? if so i will try it, cause i have a working kies on one computer. I just thought i could do it directly on the phone under checking for updates, but that way dont work for me.
So it does not matter if my phone is rooted when i want to update my firmware to newer like 2.3.4 or newer ?
You can just grab a stock rom from the thread in original dev and flash it via odin, kg6 is a good 2.3.4 rom, kh1 and 3 are a bit unknown at the moment.
Your best bet is to flash cf root on your phone, take a nandroid backup via it, use titanium backup or equivalent for your user apps and user app data (and some system data, as shown in green in the app) and do a full wipe, flash the new stock, and restore using titanium or equivalent.
The nandroid is a snapshot of your phone at the time, which will allow you to roll back to a known good point at any time.
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No rooting wont effect kies. Try Kies first, See if indeed there is a update available to you. Like the previous poster said 2.3.4 is not available in all countries yet...
If your desperate to update you can use odin to upgrade the firmware instead..but that will wipe all data on your phone, so you will have to use Titatium Backup first. But if I were you I'd just use kies, and wait for the official update in your country.
Hmm if you can't update with KIES and you don't want to wipe then your best bet is to flash with ODIN with one of the frankenstien firmwares provided at one of the threads in the original development forum.
It did worked using kies on my computer, but it's still 2.3.3... guess it updated something minor then.
Thanks everyone for your help !
Does anyone know if i can remove the question mark in bootup and still be able to overclock the phone ?
boarne71 said:
It did worked using kies on my computer, but it's still 2.3.3... guess it updated something minor then.
Updates are as and when the provider of the phone updates the firmware .
They do not use all Samsung updates and often push them out much later .
Does anyone know if i can remove the question mark in bootup and still be able to overclock the phone
Yes via the instructions in root thread
Root + CWM .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
Or by using the USB jig .
jje
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I know after root i can flash with the original, but that seams to remove the possibility to overclock the device but the root are still there after flashing with original.
boarne71 said:
I know after root i can flash with the original, but that seams to remove the possibility to overclock the device but the root are still there after flashing with original.
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No you flash root then flash original wipes root .
You would be better to find an overclocking rom and work from the instructions there .
jje
It's flashing the kernel im talking about. When rooting a phone you flash the phone with a unsecure kernel, then after it's rooted you can flash it back to original kernel so the "!" mark wont show in bootup.
Now i wounder how to do that and still keep the overclocking feature, anyone know how to do that ?
boarne71 said:
It's flashing the kernel im talking about. When rooting a phone you flash the phone with a unsecure kernel, then after it's rooted you can flash it back to original kernel so the "!" mark wont show in bootup.
Or ue the USB jig .
Now i wounder how to do that and still keep the overclocking feature, anyone know how to do that
If the overclocking features are part of the kernel then flashing original kernel replaces the kernel that has the overclocking features .
jje
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Yes that was what o thought Thanks everyone so much for all your help!!
I guess i just have to live with this "!" mark on bootup, no big deal
Look at chainfires post number 2 on this thread to remove triangle and still keep insecure kernal here
Pretty much installed XXKG6 on my SGS2 ages ago using ODin, check back a couple of months later and saw i had missed out on loads of updates. I really do not have time in my life to update my phone manually every other day.
My phone still works with Kies perfectly but i can't update/go back to official firmware which you get from kies. Unable to update to Samsung's newest firmware. How can get it back to working like when i first got my phone? When i could just plug it in and Kies did all the work while i go off and do something else. Also do i need a USB jig?
BKsMassive said:
Pretty much installed XXKG6 on my SGS2 ages ago using ODin, check back a couple of months later and saw i had missed out on loads of updates. I really do not have time in my life to update my phone manually every other day.
My phone still works with Kies perfectly but i can't update/go back to official firmware which you get from kies. Unable to update to Samsung's newest firmware. How can get it back to working like when i first got my phone? When i could just plug it in and Kies did all the work while i go off and do something else. Also do i need a USB jig?
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Hey,
should be work, when u flash back to an older stock rom like "KJ3" (without root or anything).
So Kies recognized that it's not the newest and so update to it.
U can check this thread for firmware and install guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
Much success.
CHEERS
Hannibal226 said:
Hey,
should be work, when u flash back to an older stock rom like "KJ3" (without root or anything).
So Kies recognized that it's not the newest and so update to it.
U can check this thread for firmware and install guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
Much success.
CHEERS
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I will give it a go now, Thanks for the quick reply by the way.
Would it be best to install something like "XWKE2" i think that might of been the original firmware what come with my phone and it also says "Generic XEU (UK)" which is where I'm from so that might help too?
Cheers for the help mate!
Okay i can see
"+++++++[Frankenstein Firmwares]+++++++
These packages below are not official firmware packages, they are Frankenstein package created due to demand for Firmware with different CSC and modems and also leaked firmware packages. KIES will not recognise the firmware so you won't be able to update to new firmware using KIES unless you flash back to a firmware meant for your device first. Otherwise there will always be Odin to use for updates"
Explains why i couldn't update with kies. But now i have tried installing a number of the official firmwares. Half of them boot loop and never turn on. The other half turn on but i get no service and every couple of seconds something pops up about having to force close com.phone.android or something. Plus it no longer connects to Kies.
Please help me out
BKsMassive said:
I will give it a go now, Thanks for the quick reply by the way.
Would it be best to install something like "XWKE2" i think that might of been the original firmware what come with my phone and it also says "Generic XEU (UK)" which is where I'm from so that might help too?
Cheers for the help mate!
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Sure mate,
it doesn't matter what version u take
Cheers
Sent from my Galaxy S2 - I9100 with Sensation Rom!
i have few Q's im new 2 rooting ,my 1q is if i root my S2 then will i able to update it in future via kies ?2q is after rooting can i able to update my S2 according to my region firmware or after rooting i have to install other !!!thx
after rooting if you doesn't change anything, like csc and modem than yes kies will work.
didnt understand rest of the questions
atifsh said:
after rooting if you doesn't change anything, like csc and modem than yes kies will work.
didnt understand rest of the questions
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thx, im asking that if i can root then i will get future updates of my currently specified region on S2 ? & will it will b detected by kies or i have to use odin for future updates
Kies is a crappy piece of software.
Odin or mobile Odin are much better.
You will always be able to update/restore using odin.
Simply download your firmware using an app called checkfus. (Check firmware update server)
Then flash via Odin.
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atifsh said:
after rooting if you doesn't change anything, like csc and modem than yes kies will work.
didnt understand rest of the questions
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If you root it Kies will not be able to update it.
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mattyh77 said:
If you root it Kies will not be able to update it.
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what i know is you can if you stay genuine, means dont change csc modem kernel.
if you go custom you cant and changing even a csc makes you custom
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metalz007 said:
thx, im asking that if i can root then i will get future updates of my currently specified region on S2 ? & will it will b detected by kies or i have to use odin for future updates
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as far i know if you just root without changing anything you can, but might be wrong as i really dont use kies
I thought you could also update by KIES, even if you are rooted.. unless you are on a other ROM than an original samsung ROM..
But on the other hand, you can also watch on samfirmware if there might be an update en update your SGS2 through odin, then you dont need KIES after all..
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If you root it Kies will not be able to update it.
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Just rooting makes no difference to kies. You will still be able to update.
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From my experience if your rooted, Kies doesn't recignise it for update. Guess its depends how you root it. But IMHO kies sucks. Better of using Odin and do it manually. Less chance of stuff ups. You can reset and clear cache, then restore with titanium. I don't know how many times on here I've read people having troubles after a kies update. I always wipe and clear, never had a problem.
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Unlike some Sony and Motorola devices, rooting the Galaxy S2 doesn't require you to unlock the bootloader. Other than having the "SU" program installed in the system partition, there are no other changes in the device. That is, if you take a more conservative approach to the rooting process other than flashing insecure kernels and the like. There are ways of rooting that leave your phone just like it was before - except that there is a 'su' binary in there.
Some phones won't update with KIES after rooting because some users with root privileges make changes to their device that prevent KIES from updating the phone. KIES however - and that's be written before - is a crappy piece of software. It's nearly useless - totally, actually! You absolutely don't need KIES for anything.
Installing ROMs and kernels using ODIN have nothing to do with rooting. You don't need one to make the other work. For Mobile ODIN you need root, however.
You can flash any ROM you want, including official ones, usin ODIN or Mobile ODIN. There are, however, several advantages to using Mobile Odin:
- it leaves your phone rooted after the process (if you want), even with official ROMs
- it can work with any ROM you want
- there is no need to enter download mode, which confuses some users
- it doesn't increase the flash counter
- it works from the phone, so there is no need of a computer to make it work
- it allows you to select only the part of the flash archive you want (bootloader, kernel, system, csc, etc)
Like I said, the problem some users with rooted phones have is that they go on an "uninstalling spree", and uninstall more than they should have. That sometimes renders the phone malfunctioning is some aspects. If you root, be careful with what you do afterwards regarding messing with system apps.
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Simonetti2011 said:
Unlike some Sony and Motorola devices, rooting the Galaxy S2 doesn't require you to unlock the bootloader. Other than having the "SU" program installed in the system partition. That is, if you take a more conservative approach to the rooting process other than flashing insecure kernels and the like. There are ways of rooting that leave your phone just like it was before - except that there is a 'su' binary in there.
Some phones won't update with KIES after rooting because some users with root privileges make changes to their device that prevent KIES from updating the phone. KIES however - and that's be written before - is a crappy piece of software. It's nearly useless - totally, actually! You absolutely don't need KIES for anything.
Installing ROMs and kernels using ODIN have nothing to do with rooting. You don't need one to make the other work. For Mobile ODIN you need root, however.
You can flash any ROM you want, including official ones, usin ODIN or Mobile ODIN. There are, however, several advantages to using Mobile Odin:
- it leaves your phone rooted after the process (if you want), even with official ROMs
- it can work with any ROM you want
- there is no need to enter download mode, which confuses some users
- it doesn't increase the flash counter
- it works from the phone, so there is no need of a computer to make it work
- it allows you to select only the part of the flash archive you want (bootloader, kernel, system, csc, etc)
Like I said, the problem some users with rooted phones have is that they go on an "uninstalling spree", and uninstall more than they should have. That sometimes renders the phone malfunctioning is some aspects. If you root, be careful with what you do afterwards regarding messing with system apps.
If you like this answer, hit the "thanks" button.
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Nice reply.
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Mine is already rooted with CWM and Rooted. Im currently on XXALE9 Stock. Unfortunately there is no response from Software Update on the phone and KIES is saying that Your device does not support software upgrading via Kies.
I heard from another forum site (Non-XDA) that it has something to do with the phone being rooted. I would like to know if this is true. As much as possible I am trying to avoid flashing via Odin.
Is there any possible fix for this?
As most of you might ask, the reason I am asking this is that I would like to officially get the updates for my phone. I am after those updates because those who received them had the Overheating/Warming issue with the phone fixed.
Thankyou very much!
reflash stock rom.
Question has to be has your individual phone actually got an official update .
No update no download via Kies or OTA .
jje
I get the following error message:
This device is not supported by Kies 2.0
Make sure that your device is supported and try again.
And this is using the latest version of Kies.
Any ideas on how to resolve this?
I remember it started to the proccess to root my phone, but then I wasn't very succesfull with it, so I abandoned it, but otherwise it should be stock firmware (its one of the first few steps on the xda guides).
TIA
NfScLambo said:
I get the following error message:
This device is not supported by Kies 2.0
Make sure that your device is supported and try again.
And this is using the latest version of Kies.
Any ideas on how to resolve this?
I remember it started to the proccess to root my phone, but then I wasn't very succesfull with it, so I abandoned it, but otherwise it should be stock firmware (its one of the first few steps on the xda guides).
TIA
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Kies cannot root your phone .
Probable buggered firmware if you tried something and stopped .
Initial try is to backup data and factory reset phone .
Fails then flash your original firmware via Odin .
Alternative use XDA to update by flashing stock firmware .
jje
JJEgan said:
Kies cannot root your phone .
Probable buggered firmware if you tried something and stopped .
Initial try is to backup data and factory reset phone .
Fails then flash your original firmware via Odin .
Alternative use XDA to update by flashing stock firmware .
jje
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How would I back up my contacts, most importantly, without using Kies?
NfScLambo said:
How would I back up my contacts, most importantly, without using Kies?
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Synch then with Google
Is that the only way? Because I don't want to do it that way.
Is there a way to check if my phone is rooted? Because I'm sure I didn't complete the process, but I just need to confirm that.
Also, I think I only got as far as trying the procedure for "triangle away", numerous times, but it didn't quite work for me, so I left it.
Is there a way to "untriangle away" after checking if it was done?
TIA
you can search 3rd party backup & restore application in playstore. you can try "my backup"
NfScLambo said:
I get the following error message:
This device is not supported by Kies 2.0
Make sure that your device is supported and try again.
And this is using the latest version of Kies.
Any ideas on how to resolve this?
I remember it started to the proccess to root my phone, but then I wasn't very succesfull with it, so I abandoned it, but otherwise it should be stock firmware (its one of the first few steps on the xda guides).
TIA
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Hi, I went through the same problem and fixed it.
First uninstall Kies from your PC and make sure you doesn't leave behind any files.
Uninstallation of the software and the drivers installed by Kies I suggest using Revo uninstaller to do that.
Uninstall it from your PC then make a fresh installation.
Open Kies but do not connect your phone, if it wants to update Kies, go ahead and do it.
Close Kies, connect your phone and open Kies.
That should fix it.
It happened to me when I updated Kies while my phone was connected. Do try the steps above hopefully it should help. Kies is a crappy software to be honest. Samsung should really get their act up and code a better/stable program.
If that doesn't help, then probably something went wrong while rooting. The simplest and best option would be to flash the Stock rom back on your phone. That's very simple to do.
Follow this thread to get back to stock rom [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32980712&postcount=6]
PS: The stock rom link on this thread is linked to JB if I'm not wrong, I would suggest going on www.sammobile.com/firmware and downloading the correct stock rom for your phone.
Hope I helped
dibyajyoti said:
Hi, I went through the same problem and fixed it.
First uninstall Kies from your PC and make sure you doesn't leave behind any files.
Uninstallation of the software and the drivers installed by Kies I suggest using Revo uninstaller to do that.
Uninstall it from your PC then make a fresh installation.
Open Kies but do not connect your phone, if it wants to update Kies, go ahead and do it.
Close Kies, connect your phone and open Kies.
That should fix it.
It happened to me when I updated Kies while my phone was connected. Do try the steps above hopefully it should help. Kies is a crappy software to be honest. Samsung should really get their act up and code a better/stable program.
If that doesn't help, then probably something went wrong while rooting. The simplest and best option would be to flash the Stock rom back on your phone. That's very simple to do.
Follow this thread to get back to stock rom [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32980712&postcount=6]
PS: The stock rom link on this thread is linked to JB if I'm not wrong, I would suggest going on www.sammobile.com/firmware and downloading the correct stock rom for your phone.
Hope I helped
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That worked perfectly.
Thanks.
Also, since I'm using a phone with INU region, I can't upgrade it to 4.1.1
Someone else bought a phone, and I was working on it for them, and out of the box, it asked for firmware upgrade. Lucky guy!
NfScLambo said:
Is that the only way? Because I don't want to do it that way.
Is there a way to check if my phone is rooted? Because I'm sure I didn't complete the process, but I just need to confirm that.
Also, I think I only got as far as trying the procedure for "triangle away", numerous times, but it didn't quite work for me, so I left it.
Is there a way to "untriangle away" after checking if it was done?
TIA
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There are apps on the play store which can check if your phone is rooted. Search for "check root".
The triangle away procedure is optional. You don't really have to do it.
It will just reset your counter so that it seems as if you didn't make any changes.
This is useful if you have to return the phone for warranty.
To backup your contacts I would also suggest to sync them with Google.
It's easier to manage your contacts via your web browser and you always have a backup.
You can also export those contacts from Google to other formats so you can import them later on other phones/programs.
Of course there are also other options... you could copy them to your SIM or use 3th party apps.
I would suggest G Cloud.
It is an app that will backup your Contacts, SMS Messages, Call logs, System settings, Pictures, ... and a lot more
You can choose what to backup. It'll back it up in the Cloud. You have 1GB free storage which is enough.
After a factory reset or installation of a new ROM you si;ply reinstall the software and restore your backup.
I only use it to backup my SMS messages. I like to keep them all.
Good luck
NfScLambo said:
That worked perfectly.
Thanks.
Also, since I'm using a phone with INU region, I can't upgrade it to 4.1.1
Someone else bought a phone, and I was working on it for them, and out of the box, it asked for firmware upgrade. Lucky guy!
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Even I'm on INU region. Are you from India? If so, you can't upgrade to 4.1.1 yet because Samsung hasn't updated the firmware for the region as of now. Jelly Bean is expected to arrive sometime around mid of November if not earlier. And the firmware upgrade out of the box isn't 4.1 update. Its a security patch recently released by Samsung.
I'm from India, but now I'm using this phone outside of India regulary.
I was thinking of using a SIM card from India, but I would have to cut it manually, and then also I wouldn't be sure if it was cut properly.
The firmware upgrade out of the box is for 4.0.4, which is still ICS.
Can I just change INU to another country, and then get the update? And then revert it back to INU when I need to send it in for warranty?
Also, it's surprising that Samsung hasn't released an update for INU, because I'm pretty sure it was one of the launch markets, as well as one of their biggest markets.
NfScLambo said:
I'm from India, but now I'm using this phone outside of India regulary.
I was thinking of using a SIM card from India, but I would have to cut it manually, and then also I wouldn't be sure if it was cut properly.
The firmware upgrade out of the box is for 4.0.4, which is still ICS.
Can I just change INU to another country, and then get the update? And then revert it back to INU when I need to send it in for warranty?
Also, it's surprising that Samsung hasn't released an update for INU, because I'm pretty sure it was one of the launch markets, as well as one of their biggest markets.
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Yes, India is getting INU update 1st week of November or the 2nd. Samsung are market leaders here and JB updates have been confirmed.
There is a way to change from INU on your phone by changing your CSC ID. The CSC is location specific, so if you change your ID to some country where S3 has been given the JB update. You 'might' get it. Though I'm not sure of this method.
Instructions For Changing CSC:
Download Samsung Galaxy S / S2 CSC app from the Play Store
Open Samsung Galaxy S / S2 CSC app
Tap "Change CSC" button
Select the CSC for you Country
Tap "Install" button (Keep in mind changing CSC wipes your device)
I have never tried changing the CSC on my phone so I'm unsure of the credibility of the method above. Do take backup before changing it.
personally ive found kies is flawed and dont really like it