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Hey y'all,
I was in the AT&T store the other day getting a replacement for my wall charger (it died and they replaced it under the warranty, nice guys) and they told me not to use any other USB cable with my phone because the Motorola one is special.
They say it charges faster and maybe does other things better too, although they didn't really say what else. Is there any truth to this, or were they just trying to sell more cables?
they are trying to sell more cables...
I got a cable from ebay for my car with a 90 degree tip so i can charge the phone while using it as a navigation device. it surely wasn't a Motorola cable but works great. I have also used other peoples chargers and cables, I think I had an issue only once where I borrowed the cable from a friend and the cable didn't want to charge, don't know what that was about, didn't play with it enough to figure it out, may have been a defective cable. but basically it comes down to, the charger is putting out 5 volts, if the cable carries all 5 volts to the device and doesn't loose any, it will work fine. Also there are only 2 pins in the cable that are used for charging, one for (-) and one for (+). those pins are all the same for every usb charger or a computer. also phones with that type connector are wired to receive the charge only through those 2 pins. Thus, all of them are made the same. The only thing that manufacturers will do is change the gauge of the wire being used in the cable, but with a 3 foot long cable, and only 1amp of power maximum traveling through it, it just doesn't matter
hope I was some kind of help to you...
Hey! I was also thinking that in my mind but couldn't express. I thought everyone will think I'm getting crazy! Buy my atrix full charges in just 1.5/1.45 hours with the Motorola's Official Wall Charger & USB Cable. I haven't seen any phone that charges that fast! The battery backup of this phone is awesome! 2days with moderate use & 4.5 days with normal use. Aweomeeeeeee!
I use the Factory cable at home, and an old Blackberry cable at work. No difference in the USB cables performance.
Hi,
Yes, nothing magic...
The Motorola wall plug is 850mA output, a PC USB port is UP TO 500mA and for example the IPhone one (square one) is 1000mA.
So the charging time will be shorter with the IPhone one, then the Motorola and finally the USB port.
As I have already say in another thread, I have connect the +5V of my power supply directly on the USB port, so now, no problem !
Now you know !
This post is not meant to ask a question, but to answer some. Hopefully it will help someone. It might get lengthy, so if you're not into reading it all, scroll to the bottom for the cliff notes.
Like many others I've seen here and around the web, I was having trouble with my Note charging really slow. It only seemed to charge at a reasonable rate with the stock charger that shipped with it (~3 hours 0 to 100). I didn't expect much out of my PC USB ports because they are only 500mA max (as are most), but I have several 1A USB chargers that I used to use with my iphone without a noticeable problem. Being that they are 1A just as the samsung stock charger is, I was baffled as to why they would not charge at the same rate. I even tried my wife's ipad charger which is 2A and that did not make any difference, it was just as slow as my (non samsung) 1A chargers. It did not matter which cable I used, from the stock samsung one that shipped with the Note to a number of other ones I have.
I finally had had it and after searching all over and not finding any answers other than people's anecdotal stories about what works for them, and deciding that way too much of that was just placebo (ie people saying the ipad charger charged faster, and I know it does not). I cut one of my charger cables (USB type A male to micro USB male) open, and did a few experiments with my multimeter to determine the current levels for my various chargers under various scenarios.
I tested 4 different chargers. The black samsung charger that came with the phone, a white iphone one that is a cube like the samsung one, also 1A max, a stock 2A ipad charger, and an external 5000mAh USB charging battery pack that puts out 750mA max.
I had heard that the data+ and data- pins needed to be shorted on samsung phones in order to charge properly, so I tested the charging current with these pins shorted, with these pins connected straight through (as is a normal charging cable), and with these pins open (5V power and ground only).
Here are the results:
Black stock samsung charger (1A):
-Data lines connected straight through, which is essentially just a completely normal data/charge USB type A to USB micro cable = 960mA.
-Data lines not connected, open on both ends, only USB power 5V and ground connected = 440mA.
-*Modified cable* so that the data lines on the micro USB side (phone side) shorted = 960mA.
White iphone 1A charger:
-Data lines connected straight through (stock cable) = 440mA.
-Data lines open, not connected on either end = 440mA.
-*Modified cable* so that data lines on the micro USB side shorted = 900-910mA with phone screen on, 850mA with phone screen off. I assume that what might have been happening here is that the charge current was just going up when the phone was drawing more current because the screen was lit up. I don't think it was actually affecting charge speed, it was just maintaining the same charge but providing more power so that the screen could stay lit without affecting the charging rate. I don't know why it was doing this though because the stock samsung charger did not do this.
-iPad 2A charger:
-Data lines connected straight through (stock cable) = 440mA.
-Data lines open on both ends = 440mA.
-*Modified cable* so that data lines shorted on phone micro USB side = 860mA whent he screen was on, 780mA screen off. Note that I'm surprised this did not go up to the same as the samsung stock charger or even as high as the 1A iphone charger. I don't know why? It is a genuine apple iPad charger that claims 10W which is 2A at 5V. As far as why it might have different currents for screen off and on, read my comments above for the white iphone charger that did the same thing.
External 5000mAh battery USB charger (750mA max claimed output):
-Data lines connected straight through (stock cable) = 440mA.
-Data lines open on both ends = 440mA.
-*Modified cable* so that data lines shorted on phone micro USB side = 760mA phone screen on, 700mA phone screen off.
So that's all the data. As you can see, it is very important that the USB data+ and data- lines are shorted together in order to charge at a fast rate. The problem is that all normal usb data/charge cables, including the stock samsung cable that came with the Note, do not have these pins shorted, so it is up to the charger itself to short these pins if it is to put out its max current to charge the Note. Obviously the stock samsung charger has them shorted, because it charges at a fast rate with a normal cable. But none of my other chargers, including the iphone and ipad charger, have these pins shorted, so the only way these other chargers I have will charge at their max current capability is by using a modified cable (which I made) that shorts the data+ and data- pins. Using this modified cable allows me to use any charger, and charge at its max output. Note that if you also make a cable that has these pins shorted, don't mistake it for a normal cable and try to plug it in to a computer or anything that plans to use the data lines as this could potentially damage that device.
Unfortunately at this time I do not have any recommendations for cables to buy that have the data+ and data- pins shorted, but I can recommend buying one from amazon for $1.50 and doing it yourself if you're capable, but again, be careful not to use it for anything but charging from a "dumb" AC (or car) charger. I do not take responsibility for any damage you might do to your charger or other equipment!!!!
Also unfortunately, I do not have any recommendations for chargers which definitely have the data lines shorted in order to charge quickly. I have another charger or two that I can test, but don't have them with me now. I would imagine that all samsung chargers will have the appropriate pins shorted and will charge at their max capacity. I doubt the Note (without modifications) can charge any faster than ~960mA, though, so you're spinning your wheels using a 2A charger, and in the case of something like the iPad charger, at least the genuine apple one I have, with a normal cable, it actually does not charge even half as fast as the stock samsung charger, and even with a modified cable that shorts the data lines, it's still not as fast as the stock charger, although it's pretty close (probably wouldn't notice much difference in real usage unless you really measured your charge time). I'm hoping to order a few more chargers to test, in hopes of finding a cheap aftermarket one that we can use with our Notes that already has the pins shorted.
*Cliff notes* -- I physically measured the output current during charging of my SGH-I717 AT&T Note for a few different USB chargers I have, and discovered that all of them (that I personally have) except the stock samsung charger do not have the data+ and data- lines shorted, which means that you'll be charging at 440mA of current, regardless of the rating of your USB charger. This is less than half the current of the stock samsung charger, meaning it will take more than twice as long to charge your phone. In fact, if you're using you're phone during charging, there's a good chance that not only will it not charge, but it will actually drain the battery a little bit, because 440mA is barely enough to run the phone (depending on what you're doing). So while you think you're charging with the same charger because it's rated at 1A or even 2A, chances are you actually are only charging at 440mA, the same as from a USB computer port, and it is going to take a realllly long time to charge compared to your stock samsung charger. Bottom line, use the stock samsung charger until we can test a few different chargers and compile a list of ones that have the data lines shorted so that they can charge your Note at their full current capability.
Hopefully this is helpful to answer some of the questions about why the Note seems to be charging slow for some people and not for others. I imagine that there are some USB chargers out there that have the data lines shorted and others that do not. Until I can get my hands on a few more (I'm going to order a couple different ones from amazon) and test them, I don't have any recommendations for now other than to use your stock charger, and most likely any genuine samsung replacement charger rated at 1A or more (though it probably will not use more).
wow! Thanks for investigating this!
This wad good info bruh.....thanks for the time u took man.
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Wow that is pure science....
As I'be been posting everywhere, fast chargers short the middle 2 pins. The phone sees this and determines it's a "wall charger". I always recommend the Motorola car charger as it's confirmed to have shorted data pins, or short them yourself with a dab of solder within the cable. Don't use it for data though. Won't hurt, but won't work!
Edit: fantastic work though, thanks for taking the time!
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Thanks for the tip on the motorola charger having the pins shorted. Is this the one you're talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846
Here's my dilemma. I used the stock Samsung cable with a 2.1A rated adapter from TomTom (rapid charge) as it was said it might be the pin configuration and lost more charge than using the same adapter with a universal Belkin mini USB cable with a micro adapter. My issue is that while using the GPS and streaming music, the phone loses charge while on the charger!
This is not acceptable.
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Yes. Thats the one they elude to. Ebay has them for $7.59 with free shipping.
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Thanks for all that - very helpful. I was planning to try the iPad charger (mentioned it in another thread) but time got away from me. This is great information to have.
dakleenupman said:
Here's my dilemma. I used the stock Samsung cable with a 2.1A rated adapter from TomTom (rapid charge) as it was said it might be the pin configuration and lost more charge than using the same adapter with a universal Belkin mini USB cable with a micro adapter. My issue is that while using the GPS and streaming music, the phone loses charge while on the charger!
This is not acceptable.
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The stock cable does not have the data pins shorted, the actual AC wall adapter does.
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Thanks pj_rage.
I'm pretty good electrically, but a bit less so with google. I searched, and likely didn't use the right string (happens pretty often with me). Got a diagram or a link to a diagram so I can see which two pins need shorting?
Makes more sense to me to go and modify all my car chargers rather than modify cables. I'll never use a car charger to transfer data to a computer, but might use a cable in a car in a pinch if I needed to.
So if I were to use the home adapter with stock cable hooked up to a power inverter While in my car, I should expect the 960mAh output then?
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So if I were to use the home adapter with stock cable hooked up to a power inverter While in my car, I should expect the 960mAh output then?
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That should work, but kinda overkill. It's less cumbersome to either modify a dedicated cable or the car charger itself. Just short circuit the two middle pins.
Thanks for the research OP. Btw are you on AVS?
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pj_rage said:
Thanks for the tip on the motorola charger having the pins shorted. Is this the one you're talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846
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That's the one
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Think the problem is people are not allowing their phones to drain before placing back on charger. My first out of box battery was about 40% didn't charge it till it was about 5-7% left. 2nd day I charged it to 100% which took about 3.5 hrs and than let it drain to about 20% before I put it back on the charger. 3rd day let it drop to 15% battery and placed on charger again. I've had my phone for almost 4 days and so far no problems, battery last 18-20 hrs on avg. Just my input I guess.
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dakleenupman said:
So if I were to use the home adapter with stock cable hooked up to a power inverter While in my car, I should expect the 960mAh output then?
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I've also seen issues with other phones when charging off a inverters with random reboots, some charge, some don't etc.
Envy Diz said:
Think the problem is people are not allowing their phones to drain before placing back on charger. My first out of box battery was about 40% didn't charge it till it was about 5-7% left. 2nd day I charged it to 100% which took about 3.5 hrs and than let it drain to about 20% before I put it back on the charger. 3rd day let it drop to 15% battery and placed on charger again. I've had my phone for almost 4 days and so far no problems, battery last 18-20 hrs on avg. Just my input I guess.
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Lithium ion batteries don't work that way, and actually, they prefer short, fast charges. Android, on the other hand, seems to like a full cycle or two to calibrate its battery stats, but that might just be a myth.
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I too have been troubled with poor battery life and slow charge. Here is what I have experienced:
I charge mine overnight for 9 hours. Every day I take the phone off the charger and I notice it is at 98%. Then I struggle to get through the day.
One day I switched phones in the evening, so the Note was left on the charger for 12 hours. When I took it off next morning, it said 100%. Low and behold... I was left with about 20% more at the end of a typical use day. Does this meen that the 2% extra charge makes that much difference?
I too have tried all of the different high amp chargers with all of the same results.
I guess I was just trying to understand with the OEM charger where the "shorting takes place.
nm3th said:
That should work, but kinda overkill. It's less cumbersome to either modify a dedicated cable or the car charger itself. Just short circuit the two middle pins.
Thanks for the research OP. Btw are you on AVS?
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over2land said:
Thanks pj_rage.
I'm pretty good electrically, but a bit less so with google. I searched, and likely didn't use the right string (happens pretty often with me). Got a diagram or a link to a diagram so I can see which two pins need shorting?
Makes more sense to me to go and modify all my car chargers rather than modify cables. I'll never use a car charger to transfer data to a computer, but might use a cable in a car in a pinch if I needed to.
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I don't have a link to a diagram (you can just Google USB pinout if you want it). I can try to find one later if you still need it. You want the two data lines shorted together. If you cut the cable in half as I did, you only need to short them on the phone side. The other side you can leave open if you want.
But you're absolutely right it would probably be a better idea to short the pins on the charger side. My issue is that my chargers are not easily opened. The cable on the other hand is a quick mod.
If I did it again I would just shave off some insulation from the cable to access the wires without cutting them, leave the power connected, and just cut and short the two data lines on the phone side and tape or heat shrink it up. Fwiw the power lines on my cable were red and black, black being ground, and the data lines were yellow and green. I believe this is standard but I should advise you that it would be prudent to beep it out to the connectors to be certain.
Regarding using an inverter and your home charger in your car, yes this would give you the best charge rate. Supposedly the linked Motorola charger has the pins shorted which would be a less cumbersome setup to provide the same or very similar charging rate. I've ordered one, so I'll report back.
And yeah I'm on AVS as well, same username.
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Seems ever since I updated to the latest OTA update, if I plug my phone in on certain chargers I get a notification stating slow charging enabled please connect to your factory charger. Anyone else having this issue?
It seems to do it on any charger or 12volt car to USB adapter capable of outputting 2 to 2.1 amps
Stock ROM, rooted, unlocked, s-off
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arisch86 said:
Seems ever since I updated to the latest OTA update, if I plug my phone in on certain chargers I get a notification stating slow charging enabled please connect to your factory charger. Anyone else having this issue?
It seems to do it on any charger or 12volt car to USB adapter capable of outputting 2 to 2.1 amps
Stock ROM, rooted, unlocked, s-off
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Same here. Glad to hear it is not just me. I just got off with NA HTC Tech Support. There official stance is that they do not recommend or support using any device other than the official charging cable and plug in device. They went as far to say that they do not support charging in the car. I just about flipped my lid on the phone.
Here is the link to their site: http://www.htc.com/us/support/howto...783&p_name=droid-dna-by-htc-(verizon-wireless)
"Only the power adapter and USB cable provided in the box must be used to charge the battery"
I was told by Verizon that this was just a scare tactic, while HTC says I am not getting the right charge and they have no answer since they do not support DC charging in the car. Any info people have is appreciated. It works fine with Hard Wired DC -MicroUSB, but not with any USB Plug in.
Any apps that would help me measure the amount of charge it is getting?
Thanks in advance.
What are the specs on your car charger?
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So odd that they would do that, especially with the power draw of the phone. However you can charge using the battery packs?
My car adapter is a Macally USB car adapter model carusb10 output 5v/2.1 amp x1 500mA x2.
As for my house adapters the RCA 2 port USB wall adapter. 2.1 Amp x 1 or 1000mA x 2 I believe.
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Everyone with a stock DNA unplug your charger and flip it around. As in flip the prongs. It should give you this message even with the HTC supplied one. Or try this. When you use another charger and it gives you that message unplug it and flip it. It should straighten out. I dunno. Something about the way the power is drawn.
xcesivemastub8ah said:
Everyone with a stock DNA unplug your charger and flip it around. As in flip the prongs. It should give you this message even with the HTC supplied one. Or try this. When you use another charger and it gives you that message unplug it and flip it. It should straighten out. I dunno. Something about the way the power is drawn.
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I have tried several different USB adaptors, from Razorfish(BestBuy), Belkin single USB input 2.1amp, innocell (RadioShack) dual SUB 3.1amp. Same problem on all.
On the other hand, any direct Wall connection with USB cable attached seems to work fine.
Also, I have the Motorola p4000 battery backup and when I plug that in, it also works fine and views it as AC.
Swapping the pins didn't work for me, same issue. Its a pita for me especially charging in the car because when using phone for navigation it charges so slow that it can't actually charge my phone and my battery decreases. I've went the route in the car I use my nexus 7 charger connected to an inverter.
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From my phone conversation with Seth from HTC Support, the slow charging warning is due to the update because the update incorporates the faster charging feature that qualcomm & htc have referenced too recently (can't remember what its actually called). The phone has a new type of charging setup that makes it charge faster than some other phones.
Unfortunately some chargers (wall/car) dont supply enough voltage to activate the charging feature so while the phone does charge fine (it charges at standard phone charge rate) it cannot charge at the faster rate due to the charger.
He states that this will not harm the phone and ther phone will charge fine and it a normal time. You can disregard the warning. For those that like the faster charge rate, you have to use the right charger/cable.
Before the update our phones were mostly charging at the slower rate and that's why most didn't see a warning unless the cable being used was below the standard rate of charge.
Hope this helps
arisch86 said:
Seems ever since I updated to the latest OTA update, if I plug my phone in on certain chargers I get a notification stating slow charging enabled please connect to your factory charger. Anyone else having this issue?
It seems to do it on any charger or 12volt car to USB adapter capable of outputting 2 to 2.1 amps
Stock ROM, rooted, unlocked, s-off
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Why are there so many problems about this thing lately even me, I experience this most of the time
When I use the Best Buy 2.1 amp wall charger I still get the message.
I'll need to find my oem wall charger.
So far every one I have gives this message.
I haven't seen this message at all on any of my charges but I haven't charged in the car yet. My battery usually lasts for more than the while day so I just charge at night.
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Well with the faster charging enabled it does charge pretty quick especially using my nexus 7 wall adapter, even with my Nokia Qi pad. But man that last percent takes a while.
As of now I'm using supercharged hatka ROM slim 3.0.3 and getting good battery life. Even in the middle of nowhere where 75% percent of the time when I'm in the plant its searching for signal. I'll leave work after 8 hours and still be at 60%
Guess you can say its the only negative I have for the phone. Trust me the battery life is much better in the plant then my old bionic. I use to have to change the standard battery after 4 or 5 hours as it was completely dead.
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Last night I received my daughters replacement Rezound from the warranty company. It came with a 1 amp wall charger.
I plugged it into my DNA and did not get the notice of slower charging and it charged quicker than I've ever seen it.
Too bad my 2.1 best buy one won't.
The quick charge capable chargers must output just slightly higher voltage to trigger the rapid charge mode.
I'll experiment some day and see.
This is a known issue. It all comes down to there being no set standard for USB charging. Android, apple, tablets, they all just seem to do their own thing.
The phone is checking the pins on the charger. If the data pins are shorted, then you get fast charging. If not, then it will default to the slower USB charging.
That last update that came through added that 'Slow Charge' warning. I saw it on my gf's DNA. My DNA is rooted and ROM'd so I don't have that. You can still check for the charging speed on a device by going to the Battery page in the settings. Up on top it with either say AC (which is fast) or USB (which is slow).
The supplied HTC wall chargers have the data pins shorted within them, so any regular USB cable will allow you to charge at the AC rate. You may remember some years ago there used to be Charging Only cables and they were regular USB cables that simply had the data pins shorted.
Most car chargers do not have data pins shorted. I have used a number of different ones from monoprice and none of them will charge at the AC rate.
There are videos on youtube showing how to open them up and solder the data pins. You can look for charging cables on amazon (but that seems lame), or you can find a car charger that just actually works.
There is a cheap Motorola charger on Amazon that will give you the fast AC charge.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000S5Q9CA/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=funkertosh-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B000S5Q9CA&adid=131FS8N5R70JPV4QGDCV&
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This is a known issue. It all comes down to there being no set standard for USB charging. Android, apple, tablets, they all just seem to do their own thing.
The phone is checking the pins on the charger. If the data pins are shorted, then you get fast charging. If not, then it will default to the slower USB charging.
That last update that came through added that 'Slow Charge' warning. I saw it on my gf's DNA. My DNA is rooted and ROM'd so I don't have that. You can still check for the charging speed on a device by going to the Battery page in the settings. Up on top it with either say AC (which is fast) or USB (which is slow).
The supplied HTC wall chargers have the data pins shorted within them, so any regular USB cable will allow you to charge at the AC rate. You may remember some years ago there used to be Charging Only cables and they were regular USB cables that simply had the data pins shorted.
Most car chargers do not have data pins shorted. I have used a number of different ones from monoprice and none of them will charge at the AC rate.
There are videos on youtube showing how to open them up and solder the data pins. You can look for charging cables on amazon (but that seems lame), or you can find a car charger that just actually works.
There is a cheap Motorola charger on Amazon that will give you the fast AC charge.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000S5Q9CA/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=funkertosh-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B000S5Q9CA&adid=131FS8N5R70JPV4QGDCV&
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I have the charger that came with the phone it it fully charges my DNA in 2 hours from 3%
Funkertosh said:
This is a known issue. It all comes down to there being no set standard for USB charging. Android, apple, tablets, they all just seem to do their own thing.
The phone is checking the pins on the charger. If the data pins are shorted, then you get fast charging. If not, then it will default to the slower USB charging.
That last update that came through added that 'Slow Charge' warning. I saw it on my gf's DNA. My DNA is rooted and ROM'd so I don't have that. You can still check for the charging speed on a device by going to the Battery page in the settings. Up on top it with either say AC (which is fast) or USB (which is slow).
The supplied HTC wall chargers have the data pins shorted within them, so any regular USB cable will allow you to charge at the AC rate. You may remember some years ago there used to be Charging Only cables and they were regular USB cables that simply had the data pins shorted.
Most car chargers do not have data pins shorted. I have used a number of different ones from monoprice and none of them will charge at the AC rate.
There are videos on youtube showing how to open them up and solder the data pins. You can look for charging cables on amazon (but that seems lame), or you can find a car charger that just actually works.
There is a cheap Motorola charger on Amazon that will give you the fast AC charge.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000S5Q9CA/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=funkertosh-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B000S5Q9CA&adid=131FS8N5R70JPV4QGDCV&
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I kinda figured it was something with the pins if I wasn't voltage offset.
I did find that one of my car chargers from best buy runs in quick charge. The cable I fixed, rather than using a usb cable in a slot on the charger.
The best number 2.1 amp wall charger uses a data type cable.
Maybe I'll check into shorting the pins on that sucker to get quick charge mode.
Funkertosh said:
This is a known issue. It all comes down to there being no set standard for USB charging. Android, apple, tablets, they all just seem to do their own thing.
The phone is checking the pins on the charger. If the data pins are shorted, then you get fast charging. If not, then it will default to the slower USB charging.
That last update that came through added that 'Slow Charge' warning. I saw it on my gf's DNA. My DNA is rooted and ROM'd so I don't have that. You can still check for the charging speed on a device by going to the Battery page in the settings. Up on top it with either say AC (which is fast) or USB (which is slow).
The supplied HTC wall chargers have the data pins shorted within them, so any regular USB cable will allow you to charge at the AC rate. You may remember some years ago there used to be Charging Only cables and they were regular USB cables that simply had the data pins shorted.
Most car chargers do not have data pins shorted. I have used a number of different ones from monoprice and none of them will charge at the AC rate.
There are videos on youtube showing how to open them up and solder the data pins. You can look for charging cables on amazon (but that seems lame), or you can find a car charger that just actually works.
There is a cheap Motorola charger on Amazon that will give you the fast AC charge.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000S5Q9CA/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=funkertosh-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B000S5Q9CA&adid=131FS8N5R70JPV4QGDCV&
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The phone is doing more than checking pins now. I have a 2.1 Amp dual charger with pins shorted and get the warning. It happily charged in AC mode before the update. The charger can also charge a nexus 10 at 2 Amps. I'm guessing the kernel devs will have to locate the source of the warning. I thought the resistance between the data pins might be the trigger, but there is no difference between the HTC charger and my dual charger. It does seem my car charger is unaffected.
I have found that to trick the phone into AC mode you have to short the the actual cable. Hence strip the insulation off the wires and short the data wires together. Has worked for me on all my chargers.
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This message does not have to do with the update. I have still not updated my DNA and have been struggling with this for about 6 or 8 months. I am on 2.08. The issue has continually gotten worse since the first time I saw it. At first it would just appear about 1 in 10 times I plugged it in to a car charger. It then got to the point where it would only not show the message with a certain car charger. Now it is showing it on the one car charger that works, but if I mess around with it and unplug and replug it a few times it will finally charge normally. The last few days it has started showing the message on the OEM charger. I have cleaned out the port on the phone and cables quite a few times now, but it doesn't help. I found that doing that only helps if it gets really full of lint and the cable rocks in the port causing it to loose connection if you move it, but it does not change the slow charging message at all. The phone is also definitely not charging at full speed when that message is shown. If I have it plugged in and it shows that message my battery actually drains if the screen is on. With the screen off I only gain about 10% per hour. I am not sure where the issue is, but I think it is different in different circumstances. In my case I think it is the phone itself, but from what I have read about others experiences it seems their problem might be the charger/cord. I hope this gets sorted out soon.
Clay333 said:
This message does not have to do with the update. I have still not updated my DNA and have been struggling with this for about 6 or 8 months. I am on 2.08. The issue has continually gotten worse since the first time I saw it. At first it would just appear about 1 in 10 times I plugged it in to a car charger. It then got to the point where it would only not show the message with a certain car charger. Now it is showing it on the one car charger that works, but if I mess around with it and unplug and replug it a few times it will finally charge normally. The last few days it has started showing the message on the OEM charger. I have cleaned out the port on the phone and cables quite a few times now, but it doesn't help. I found that doing that only helps if it gets really full of lint and the cable rocks in the port causing it to loose connection if you move it, but it does not change the slow charging message at all. The phone is also definitely not charging at full speed when that message is shown. If I have it plugged in and it shows that message my battery actually drains if the screen is on. With the screen off I only gain about 10% per hour. I am not sure where the issue is, but I think it is different in different circumstances. In my case I think it is the phone itself, but from what I have read about others experiences it seems their problem might be the charger/cord. I hope this gets sorted out soon.
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It could be the charging equipment your phone or it could also be the power source not providing enough power to the device for it to charge fast so it charges slow.
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Certain power points seem to not charge but certain power points do the charging job perfectly?
what's a "power point"?
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what's a "power point"?
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The place where you plug your charger in.
that's a faulty charger then
Define 'power point'. Are you talking about different Usb cables, different chargers, different wall sockets or jiggling the cable's connector to the phone?
In the latter: replace the cable and you may need to clean the contacts on the phone (eg with a hard toothbrush)
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I think he means wall sockets
ysah i think he means wall sockets also at which it would still need to be a fault with his charger as its there that the voltage is converted to the voltage and ampherage that the phone uses.any differences in voltage that is given to the socket would most likely be on a very small scale
Ah I see. Does Sammy do one to one exchanges of the charger if its faulty?
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Does anyone here use aftermarket chargers? Thinking of an innergie one.
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I swapped.my cable, seems to charge better than the stock one..
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I have the same problem, but with all cables
I just posted to an other threat about charging problems, so i will copy/paste it:
I have the problem that the phone only want to charge with soms chargers.
I can connect the phone to the original charger or to a pc or any device without problems, the phone will charge.
Even with an old blackberry charger (only 2 wires, no data) and car charger can i charge without any problem!
But when i connect the phone to the htc charger of my old phone, or to an iphone charger i see the phone is connected but it won't charge.
When i open batterymonitor i see that the charger is connected, but the phone still use his battery.
I tried this with all kinds of charders and all kinds of micro usb cables. Then i thaught there was maybe a resistor or chip or something build in some chargers, because i couls only charge with chargers with 2 wire cables.
Then i took a usb extension cable and i disconnected the two data wires so only the + and - 5V cables were left,
but still no success. If anybody knows where the problem is, please let my know
with kind regards! Martijn
discovered the problem
blaffer4 said:
I just posted to an other threat about charging problems, so i will copy/paste it:
I have the problem that the phone only want to charge with soms chargers.
I can connect the phone to the original charger or to a pc or any device without problems, the phone will charge.
Even with an old blackberry charger (only 2 wires, no data) and car charger can i charge without any problem!
But when i connect the phone to the htc charger of my old phone, or to an iphone charger i see the phone is connected but it won't charge.
When i open batterymonitor i see that the charger is connected, but the phone still use his battery.
I tried this with all kinds of charders and all kinds of micro usb cables. Then i thaught there was maybe a resistor or chip or something build in some chargers, because i couls only charge with chargers with 2 wire cables.
Then i took a usb extension cable and i disconnected the two data wires so only the + and - 5V cables were left,
but still no success. If anybody knows where the problem is, please let my know
with kind regards! Martijn
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In the case there would be more people with this problem:
The problem is not caused by the charger but by the cable. If i use a cable that's a bit to small or to long i get problems. If you want a longer cable to charge your phone, you need a good and big one, not a cheap tiny cable. I only use good cables now and had no more problems for the last year or so...
Since I got my note 3 I've been charging it with my old AC chargers I bought on ebay which is a generic micro-usb charger (I got a couple of them laying around the appartment). I use my old chargers often because the samsung USB cable which was provided with the phone is always pluged into my desktop computer, and I didn't want to go trough the hassle of moving the cable all around the house to charge my phone.
Well anyway, so far I've notice charging times were pretty long(6-8hours), but I shrugged it off because I simply thought a bigger battery require longer to charge. But this weekend I slept off at my in-laws and I brought my samsung cable and AC adapter. I looked up with better battery stats and notice the charge time was around 3times as fast. (2hours or so for a 100% charge). Dammmn!
So why am I getting long charges with my ebay chargers?
Is it because they are cheap china product?
Is it because they don't have the USB3.0 port?
I'm thinking the USB3.0 has nothing to do with charging times if it's pluged with an AC adapter right? So my long charge time must be because of cheap products? Ok then, but if I want to buy additional chargers, or even a cradle for my bedside table. How can I know if they will have the best charge time? Am I forced to buy samsung branded stuff just to make sure?
Cause I'd be interested in something like this :
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/For-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-2-3-Cradle-Sync-Dock-Mode-2-1-amp-Otterbox-Fits-/251362752408?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Chargers&hash=item3a86633798&_uhb=1
but I'm not gonna buy it if it takes double/triple charging time..
Patbach said:
Since I got my note 3 I've been charging it with my old AC chargers I bought on ebay which is a generic micro-usb charger (I got a couple of them laying around the appartment).
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The Note 3 should charge in just over two hours with either USB 2 or 3 cables. If you download https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abmantis.galaxychargingcurrent.free&hl=en that will tell you the charging current. It should be 1200mA with the screen on and 1800mA with it off (trick is turn the screen off for 10s then back on and refresh and you should see 1800mA).
As long as the charger can deliver 1800mA and you are using a decent quality cable that should be all you need. Plugged into a USB port you'll only see 450mA on either USB 2 or 3.
Usually the ones that charge this quickly have an output of 2 amps. That is the output of the charger that came with the phone.
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CraigAmey said:
The Note 3 should charge in just over two hours with either USB 2 or 3 cables. If you download https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abmantis.galaxychargingcurrent.free&hl=en that will tell you the charging current. It should be 1200mA with the screen on and 1800mA with it off (trick is turn the screen off for 10s then back on and refresh and you should see 1800mA).
As long as the charger can deliver 1800mA and you are using a decent quality cable that should be all you need. Plugged into a USB port you'll only see 450mA on either USB 2 or 3.
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wow thanks there lots of useful stuff