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You see the question, does the current root method also give you S-Off or is there a seperate zip file for that?
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Not at the moment. Also root and s-off are two different things, think of root as the admin account on your PC, it lets you change almost anything within the OS itself. Think of S-OFF (or unlocked bootloader) as having the ability to OVERWRITE your OS with something different.
The only current way we have of overwriting our OS (flashing other ROMs) is through the HTC Dev unlock method but that will void your warranty.
EDIT: Here's the link if you want it, scroll down to "All other supported models"
http://htcdev.com/bootloader
OK so
so I am pretty limited as to what i can do at this time...right? And I don't want to do anything that wouldd cause me to have to pull a battery that wont pull lol.
Should I wait for S-Off before rooting?
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No, you're not pretty limited. Unlocked bootloader allows for custom recovery which allows for flashing ROMs and SU, etc.
With S-on, radios cannot be flashed, and you can run update IMGs thru bootloader, like a PC6IMG (or whatever the P code is for this phone).
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musicman625 said:
so I am pretty limited as to what i can do at this time...right? And I don't want to do anything that wouldd cause me to have to pull a battery that wont pull lol.
Should I wait for S-Off before rooting?
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I think only thing you can't do is flash kernels and aosp roms as they have different kernels
That and flash radios
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Ep3n3wp said:
I think only thing you can't do is flash kernels and aosp roms as they have different kernels
That and flash radios
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I believe you can flash kernels through fastboot, at least that was the case with the Evo 3D.
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Some great news.. the evo view 4g is now officially unlockable from HTC via htcdev.com. hope to see some magic happen now
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This belongs in general.
Thx for info ThoughtHalo, the skilled dev above me (globatron) actually brought us to the dev game in HC before HTC.. That's the greatness of XDA, were always ahead of the game.
So what does this mean for us with stock GB looking to go to HC but want root?
It means now you should be able to flash a recovery and install a superuser zip
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
contradude said:
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
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It means more than that, they've given us a way to roll back to GB, which in turn means that OTA updaters can get S-OFF after all.
It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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If you rollback to GB and S-OFF then yes, otherwise you are way off the mark, it doesn't even come close to allowing you to do that.
With an unlocked bootloader, you should be able to flash new recoveries and other things...unlocked from HTC is the same as S-off. It allows the flashing of unsigned firmware. Unless this device is unlike every other device I've had from HTC, I'm pretty sure I'm correct.
Although since I never had to use it on any of my devices (Never had something like Evo 3D) then I might be incorrect. However, based off my thoughts as an unlocked bootloader means you can flash new recovery, boot, and OTA updates that are unsigned / have broken signatures.
If you're happy with it fine, but you're misinformed. It's really not the same as S-OFF at all as many including myself have already explained. I can't be bothered with repeating the explanations again.
I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
mark920 said:
Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
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10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
That's good news... I'd assume I need to be back to the stock RUU S-ON to unlock it? As I already have the Rev. S-Off on my View now.
If it's not going to break it then I'll just go have it unlock it now.
globatron said:
10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
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But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
GadgetMonger said:
But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
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Correct, you can root and all apps will work, Wrong; go read, can't do radios or RUUS, Normally it's perfectly fine with a stock recovery and a protected hboot.
DRM keys are not really a problem unless you bought from watch or some other built-in thing like that.
Honestly, I couldn't care less which people do, but unlock is a pain for developers to deal with and frustrating when flashing roms. But I dislike incorrect statements like saying S-OFF and unlock are the same thing.
While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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Do this. Unlock with the HTC method then boot to bootloader. You will notice that your device is telling you that it is unlocked but still s-on. As far as I know s-on means exactly that and not "half assed" s-off. I dont think you're understanding the difference.
No I understand the difference. S-off means the entire device is no longer secured at all. You can flash anything from the device. With unlock, you can only flash using fast boot and you can't flash certain things like radios etc. Only kernels, recovery, and downgrading RUU's
Therefore, its a "halfassed" s-off
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Hey guys,
I'm new to things here. I have done a lot of experimenting though before I'm posting this... and have read A TON of forums trying to find the answers,
I unlocked my Tbolt's bootloader through the HTC method, I've been trying to load CM7, VIRUS, and MIUI rom's and they'll load up into the boot image but will just cycle there and won't go on into the UI.
I've flashed CWK recovery and SU so I don't know why they're not flashing...
The only ROM that I've had success with is the Thunderstick but I don't really like this ROM it's too close to the HTC gingerbread sence
if anyone has any ideas of how I can get CM7 or a VIRUS ROM on my phone please help!!!
Thank you in advanced!!!
The problem you have is because you used the HTC dev unlock method which unlocks the bootloader it leaves you s on. You can't flash custom kernels in recovery with s on which is why you aren't able to boot those roms. Try downloading 4ext recovery. It has a built in tool to flash custom kernels even with s on.
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RMseth said:
...and have read A TON of forums trying to find the answers ... I unlocked my Tbolt's bootloader through the HTC method
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As noted, HTC's tool is certainly deceiving to users looking to "root" their phones. You need "S-OFF" status in order to flash 3rd-party ROMs. I presume you can obtain S-OFF using numerous non-HTC ways. I know that the revolutionary.io method no longer works if your phone has a newer software version of 605.5 - HTC patched the flaw that was being exploited.
yah it's really deceiving... if I would have know this I would have used another way to gain root... but oh well I'll be trying that 4ext recovery control and see if that will work for me THANK YOU!!!
what ROM's have guys been using that you really like for your TBolt?
RMseth said:
yah it's really deceiving... if I would have know this I would have used another way to gain root... but oh well I'll be trying that 4ext recovery control and see if that will work for me THANK YOU!!!
what ROM's have guys been using that you really like for your TBolt?
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So far my two favorites are Killasense and iKream. I really like Thundershed but I couldn't get past some very minor issues with it. Here soon you may see something from me.....
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so I tried flashing 4ext I like it a WHOLE lot better then CWK but the setting that you were talking about with the S-on... it says it's not available for my device.... do ether of you know why that would be? do I need to go in and fix a permission or something...
I tried flashing a ROM that was giving me problems before but it still just loads into the boot.img and then just runs the cycle over and over again.
4ext probably uses the "zerg" exploit which HTC and other manufacturers have patched on various phones, but not all. On the TBolt, for example, I'm not aware of how to gain S-OFF if you're on a s/w version higher than 605.5.
I thought you could downgrade and use the revolutionary tool to unlock and gain s off. After you installed 4ext did you run the app before you restarted and booted into recovery. The first thing it asks is if you have s off. When you select no it sets the recovery up to handle flashing kernels.
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disconnecktie said:
I thought you could downgrade and use the revolutionary tool to unlock and gain s off.
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Sorry if that was confusing... But yes, I believe you have to downgrade to 605.5 to gain S-OFF. If you're on 605.9 or 605.19, there's no exploit that I know of. Ironically, if I recall correctly, you usually weren't able to downgrade or flash an older version but currently VZW/HTC allows it.
Forgive me, but I've been reading and haven't figured out whether or not downgrading from 1.5 to 1.4 is actually needed or what the benefits are. I'm new to the 3D, but not to android, flashing, or unlocking..I just can't seem to find (I'm sure the info is here somewhere) what the difference and advantages/disadvantages between the two. I'm perfectly comfortable downgrading, so I'm just looking for some input.
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Downgrading gives you the ability to have s-off, meaning you are fully rooted and unlocked, meaning you can flash roms and kernels through recovery without using a workaround. You can also flash radios as well.
As always it will give you the ability to flash custom rom's and kernal's as you stated in your post you find out where to start and I suggest you Google rootevo3dnew and its for people that has hboot 1.50 and he makes it very easy to understand and he even makes utube instruction on how to do it thats what I used and I had unlocked bootloader and flashed a custom Rom in less then 15 minutes and he also shows you how to down grade your hboot aswell here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
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sitlet said:
Downgrading gives you the ability to have s-off, meaning you are fully rooted and unlocked, meaning you can flash roms and kernels through recovery without using a workaround. You can also flash radios as well.
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From what I hear, 4ext (see my sig) works great for people on hboot 1.5 with HTC unlock. Having said that, I downgraded and am glad I did. It got the blood pumping and taught me a lot about rooting.
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well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
I recommend buying the 4EXT application. Upgrade to a the latest version with smartflash and you can load new roms without using fastboot and a PC. Best money I have spent on an app.
mulhiny said:
well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
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The bricking is the hardest part. Everyones phone is a lol different. Mine was a three second pull for instance. But having s-off is much better. I was unlocked but I was one of the first ones to downgrade . Since then it has been greatly streamlined. Don't give up
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mulhiny said:
well, after attempting to brick my phone no less than 100 times, I gave up on the downgrading. Just unlocked via HTC's method and flashed thru fastboot. Works well enough. Thanks for the input friends!
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I must have been lucky with that. Mine bricked second attempt (and first attempt I had forgotten to take out the battery, derp). I used a second hand on my clock to time exactly five seconds and it worked. But, as I (and others) have said, 4ext Recovery allows you to flash the ROM and kernel together, so S-Off is not as necessary. Unless of course, you want to flash an ICS ROM...
Just keep your Hboot 1.5. It's not that big of a deal to me because I am used to using the 'workarounds'.
Evo 3d FTW
mpgrimm2 said:
Some additional info for u I had posted for someone else.
1) HTCdev.com's "Bootloader Unlock"(I have a specific Hboot 1.50 Guide posted here & at sdx):
Basically this leaves the bootloader's (Hboot 1.50) security flag on (S-On) but "unlocks the bootloader" (kinda like the phones Bios) so that you can manually flash everything except for Radios (Baseband) and Boot Logo's (Splash Screen). Kernels & roms can be flashed once a custom recovery is installed, but there are "extra" steps involved because the /boot partition (kernel/zImage) can only be set to write access from the Android OS or by initiating custom recovery from a pc's "Fastboot Command Prompt". There are workarounds, some work better than others. To flash Radio updates, you have to relock the bootloader and flash an OEM Full Stock Ruu (Rom Update Utility), kinda like Samsung's Sw Updater for the Transform. You also have to register your device with HTC and it "may void your warranty".
2) Downgrade Bootloader from Hboot 1.50 to 1.40:
This is a recent development by Unknownforce in the last few weeks. Basically involves corrupting the flashing process of the RUU by removing power in the middle of the flash and "bricking it" (more like mostly bricked). It forces the phone into a special eMMC Download mode that can only be fixed by pushing the older bootloader to the phone from a Linux pc. Good thing is that Closeone has a Linux LiveCD.iso that you copy to a USB Drive or CD and temporarily boot to a custom Linux Interface specifically set up for flashing the bootloader.
Once that's done, you rerun an earlier RUU (compatible with Hboot 1.40) to get the phone working fully, then root via "Revolutionary's site" (another fastboot/adb rooting tool) to get S-Off (Full root), load a recovery, update the radio, then you can flash roms & kernels like normal
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Hello fellow xda forum-goers
First, to start out, I will lay out a list of my previously owned phones...
Samsung Epic 4G -> Nexus S 4G -> HTC Evo 4G LTE
I have to say I am a bit confused when it comes to gaining root access on this particular phone. It is my first HTC branded phone and I have noticed that there are some changes/discussion with regards to rooting/flashing it.
There seems to be a commotion or skepticism with regards to achieving root with this phone, something about S-Off and your phone becoming tampered. What is the reason for not wanting to root your phone now and why? What exactly does S-Off and tampered status do?
Edit: Also what is with the whole RUU/Unlock debate? Am I voiding my warrenty or taking any risks with only rooting the phone? What cant I do with just a simple root?
Thanks again!
A little search a little read the sickies in the development section will do wonders
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A comparison
Rooting and S-Off are separate entities.
Rooting
Allows superuser permissions that you otherwise do not have. It presumably gets its name from having access to the 'root folders and files' where the phone's OS stuff is and where the devs alter things to make our phones neater! After rooting, you can tether, back up your app data using something like Titanium back up. SetCPU is a root-app that allows you to over and underclock the CPU, but I don't know how this app is compatible with the EVO LTE. There are other apps that are useful, but not really for me. Some taboo apps like Wifikill and droidsheep require root as well but have been pulled from the market, for obvious reasons. Rooting voids warranty, but you can unroot and no one will know.
S-Off
S-Off is a security flag. You can have root and be S-On. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but S-off = unlocked bootloader. And unlocked bootloader means that you can flash ROMs that have not been digitally signed by HTC (you can flash custom roms made by developers here). The only ROMs you can flash with S-On are RUUs, ROMs from HTC in this case. Also, having an unlocked bootloader allows you to install a custom recovery. A custom recovery is handy because you can create a Nandroid back up of your phone. Kind of like an image of a PC. If you mess your phone up, you can restore it to a mirror image of whenever you created the Nandroid. Also, custom recoveries are where you flash custom ROMs and MODs that developers make. Unlocking your bootloader/gaining S-Off voids your warranty. And with htc-dev, which lets you unlock the bootloader, HTC pretty much can keep track of who voids their warranty. If you wait a while, some Dev around here should whip up some way to S-off without HTC knowing. the Rewal method currently posted in the And-Development forum for EVO LTE might do this, I'm not sure.
So... in summary...
Rooting
Use cool apps
Tether
Super user permissions
S-Off/Unlocked bootloader
Custom recovery
Flash custom ROMS and MODS
Create Nandroid Backups
I think thats it. Someone correct any misinformation I gave.
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Oh, and as for the tampered questions, when you gain root access, htc put in some code that in the bootloader is says TAMPERED. But unrooting removes this.
Thanks again typhoonikan for the helpful understanding of the in's and out's of my phone!
So basically I can root/unroot without fear because I am able to revert the phone back if I had any problems.
The only risk is unlocking the bootloader via HTC because regardless of what you do, HTC will always know that your phone has been bootloader unlocked.
Basically the only reason we need S-off is to flash radios and also to be able to do that without it showing that our phones have been messed with/unlocked.
typhoonikan said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but S-off = unlocked bootloader.
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You are wrong.
You can have an unlocked bootloader and still be S-On (this is exactly what HTCDev unlock does).
A rooted phone can run root-only apps and allows you to access the root file system.
An unlocked bootloader allows you to install a custom recovery where you can flash ROMs, but may or may not allow flashing of kernels and will usually not allow you to flash radios.
S-Off allows you to flash radios and other protected NAND partitions.
S-Off, to my knowledge as of 6/4/2012, has not yet been obtained on the EVO 4G LTE, though you can root and unlock the bootloader. But you really only need S-Off if you want to flash different radios.
In summary:
S-Off + Root + Unlocked bootloader (with custom recovery) allows you to do anything with the phone.
S-On + Root + Unlocked bootloader (with custom recovery) allows you to do anything EXCEPT flash radios.
S-off also allows you to change the splash screen
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wileout said:
S-off also allows you to change the splash screen
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And custom kernels
FattySparks said:
And custom kernels
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Actually on this device you can change kernels wit S-ON
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wileout said:
Actually on this device you can change kernels wit S-ON
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Yep, you can basically do everything with S-ON. Kernels, roms, boot screen, etc.
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Yep, you can basically do everything with S-ON. Kernels, roms, boot screen, etc.
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Pretty sure splash screens are no go's with S-ON. But i could be wrong since on this phone you can do kernels unlike the OG and the 3D
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Just a quick question, will using HTCDev unlock require me to wipe all my data?
filmaker said:
Just a quick question, will using HTCDev unlock require me to wipe all my data?
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Yes it will
I really wish we could get all this information in a sticky, seeing how the question gets repeated numerous times.
I would be more than happy to write up this information if need be, even make a few diagrams/charts for the visual learners like myself
With htc thunderbolts out of stock, verizon has sent me rezound as a replacement! Before it comes I would just like to be in the know on how flashing roms on the rezound goes. I am not new to rooting (since htc hero) but i have never ventured far from what's safe. I've already looked around the forums and found potential roms as well as and found tools for rooting/unlocking the bootloader. I also noticed that getting s-off is way to difficult and time consuming for me at the moment.
So I just have a few questions. Answer one or all anything helps:
1. can i root and unlock the bootloader easily? (which ways do you recommend?)
2. with s-on can i still flash any rom of my choice, and if so how do i make sure i can do it safely?
3. with s-on do i still have a permanent root?
If you would like to give me any additional information about how flashing roms, rooting, etc works on the rezound it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Tommy
toomie05 said:
With htc thunderbolts out of stock, verizon has sent me rezound as a replacement! Before it comes I would just like to be in the know on how flashing roms on the rezound goes. I am not new to rooting (since htc hero) but i have never ventured far from what's safe. I've already looked around the forums and found potential roms as well as and found tools for rooting/unlocking the bootloader. I also noticed that getting s-off is way to difficult and time consuming for me at the moment.
So I just have a few questions. Answer one or all anything helps:
1. can i root and unlock the bootloader easily? (which ways do you recommend?)
2. with s-on can i still flash any rom of my choice, and if so how do i make sure i can do it safely?
3. with s-on do i still have a permanent root?
If you would like to give me any additional information about how flashing roms, rooting, etc works on the rezound it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Tommy
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1. Yes...find the "all in one" tool and follow the steps.
2. Yes... safely? Just do it, nothing to worry about.
3. Yes....
All the answers to your question are in the threads. Google and the search feature are your best friends. :cyclops:
1.visit the htc dev website to unlock bootloader its pretty simple do a search for hasoon2000's all in one toolkit it's noob friendly.
1.5 flash amon ra recovery
2. S-on is fine but the kernel won't auto install it will place a ph98img.zip on your sd that will automatically flash when you boot back to bootloader
3. Permanent root is never a bad thing when I comes to flashing custom roms
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1.visit the htc dev website to unlock bootloader its pretty simple do a search for hasoon2000's all in one toolkit it's noob friendly.
1.5 flash amon ra recovery
2. S-on is fine but the kernel won't auto install it will place a ph98img.zip on your sd that will automatically flash when you boot back to bootloader
3. Permanent root is never a bad thing when I comes to flashing custom roms
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thanks for the quick replies...seems pretty straighforward then :good:
we still recomend you read up on how to s-off its simple as long as you read and follow the directions
Dont be intimidated by thee S-Off procedure. its actually much easier then it seems.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1790625
kind of a record of my bumbling, if I managed to do it anyone can lol
S-off is optional, only needed if you plan on flashing different roms frequently it makes some process easier/convenient.
Seeing as how you're concerned about obtaining permanent root and flashing ROMs, S-OFF is a must. Like others have said, the process is not as intimidating as it seems. It just takes a lot of patience. I failed many times before finally getting it right and nothing happened to my phone. Good luck.
Can the s-off procedure be done at any time? And does it wipe anything?
I am considering doing it. I've been s-on for a few weeks and flashing roms
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bond32 said:
Can the s-off procedure be done at any time? And does it wipe anything?
I am considering doing it. I've been s-on for a few weeks and flashing roms
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You can do it at any time, and just make sure to drag the contents of your sd onto your desktop before you do it, I've read about people losing all the stuff on it (didnt happen to me personally) otherwise, it doesn't wipe anything