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With all of this going down recently about Rooted users being cracked upon, I want to make sure my next phone does not require root in order to improve it significantly. (Unlike my Fascinate which is a great phone, only after the developers have worked on issues).
How is the unrooted TB experience?
I didn't root my TB for about 3 days and I came from a rooted DX. It feels faster and smoother than a DX with the OE rom over clocked and is just as snappy as the blur-less rom i was running also. I was pleasantly surprised by the out of the box experienced of the TB and I am an ASOP experienced fan.
I was in no rush to root my phone. I only did it out of habit and was curious. I loved my phone when I first got it. Obviously rooting made me love it more but still a great experience. Nothing was broken or slow. Smoothest screen transition I've seen on a phone. I don't even mind HTC Sense (still prefer ASOP, but miles better than TouchWiz and Blur).
Mine is rooted and I don't think it's currently needed. The ROMs that are currently out aren't the coolest (meaning bug free and full featured) IMO. I did it for the freedom when a really good ROM/kernel is out.
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I don't even mind HTC Sense (still prefer ASOP, but miles better than TouchWiz and Blur).
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I agree, even the gingerbread Blur isn't as good as this. I my self noticed that the Bloated up OEM rom was just as fast for me as the De-bloats also
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Is there a "crack down"??? Seems to be business as usual.
To me....ThunderBolt is a beast with or without root. I ran it for a week before I rooted it and I though everything I had it and could NOT make it stall.
Tip of the hat to HTC and Verizon (for LTE) for this device in my hands. Best Android experience I have EVER had... I have had them ALL!!
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Yeah the new snapdragon is smooth as silk. Gameing isnt bad eather. Htc phones always seem the most stable!
I agree with everyone above. I came from a DX overclocked @ 1.36ghz and this thing immediately felt faster than my X. I rooted it because I wanted to be ready for the Rubix releases since that's what I was running on the X. Can't say I'm disappointed at all in that decision. Rooted or unrooted the thing is still a beast. The extra 256 megs of ram over the X and the next Gen snapdragon really make the difference. And a decent gpu doesn't hurt the mix either.
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The thunderbolt is a great phone un rooted. Faster than a stock Droid x and a tad faster than an oc'd and rom'd dx.
I rooted my thunderbolt because its mine and I hate clutter.
If Verizon would not pack the phones full of junk I probably wouldn't root.
The HTC skins allow the user to get their themes. The launchers give you the feel. The bolt is a good stock phone.
I like plain and simple, functional fast and stable is the best reason to root.
I tan rubix on my dx and running drod and b16 boLTEd now.
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I'm loving my un-rooted stock 3G Thunderbolt... it's miles ahead of my last device. I think my head will explode with root and 4G.
My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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Chadashcroft22 said:
My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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I've had the Original I-Phone since the day it came out so I just wanted to upgrade. So, I finally did it when "The next big Deal" happened. So, Now I have my Thunderbolt, unrooted and happy with my decision. It's been 4 years since I got a new phone. I think I was due...
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My phone is stock I'm gonna wait and see how 2.3 ota goes before I root. I upgraded from eris and this phone is 1000 times faster than that so I am perfect waiting.
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Or... You can root it and have that OTA when it leaks out 2 weeks before they push it.
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Thunderbolt being my first Android phone, I have nothing to compare it to. It kicked ass the day I got it, and it kicks even more ass rooted.
I really don't think there is a critical need to root. I really cant tell the difference between the two in speed except maybe in quadrant scores. Unrooted phone is very fast and smooth.
Eddog4DROID said:
With all of this going down recently about Rooted users being cracked upon, I want to make sure my next phone does not require root in order to improve it significantly. (Unlike my Fascinate which is a great phone, only after the developers have worked on issues).
How is the unrooted TB experience?
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Root is different than flashing a ROM... There are no rules against rooting, those companies are just trying to stop non-approved software on their networks (even though those rumors are just that, rumors).
Root and freezing apps can't be tracked anyway....
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So what's the overall verdict from those of you who are OBJECTIVE about your Thunderbolts? I.E., don't tell me about the personal preference things you like or dislike but overall thoughts on the device itself.
I'm currently using a Galaxy S (Vibrant) that I've had from it's original release date. Other than the crap GPS, I love the device. However, with AT&T's impending takeover of T-Mobile, staying simply isn't an option. Sprint has limited coverage (I travel quite a bit) so that makes Verizon my default option. I don't mind Verizon, and I've had a non-contract MiFi for over a year, it's just price that always pushed me away. Anyway, being a current customer with my MiFi I'm always getting those random spam mail offers via snail mail and the most recent is get a Thunderbolt $249 and unlimited mobile hotspot through May 15th.
I wasn't considering the Thunderbolt until seeing "Unlimited Mobile Hotspot". I currently use close to all 5GB's on my MiFi monthly along with another 3-4 on my Vibrant so data is a HUGE deal to me. I basically have a mobile office so I can eat up some data. Personally, I was holding out for a Dual Core with 768+ MB's of RAM but this definitely entices me. I don't live in an area with LTE, but it's coming, and with the future of mobile data pricing being unknown, I find myself wondering if I should "lock in" prices/features before the market becomes flooded with LTE devices.
Thoughts? Opinions?
My biggest beefs with my Vibrant are:
GPS
Battery Life (SAMOLED makes up for it and I can get 2 days out of a charge if I need to). I view most battery life issues as non-issues. People find themselves with a combo of bloatware and using crap apps that suck the life out of their phones
Lag, even on custom ROM's from time to time
No Camera Flash
How's the speaker phone?
How's Bluetooth strength? Can you stick the TBolt in your pocket and have a conversation without your headset crackling?
More importantly, how accurate is the GPS?
ilogik said:
I really don't think there is a critical need to root. I really cant tell the difference between the two in speed except maybe in quadrant scores. Unrooted phone is very fast and smooth.
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App options mainly. There are plenty of really cool applications that require root access.
The "Crack down" does not exist. It is a bullsh*t lie that some troll posted on here and caused everyone to panic. Root the SOB and enjoy.
So i convinced my friend to grab this phone because of all the goodness and epic speeds ive experienced with my 1.2ghz dual core mytouch 4g slide...
Hes not happy and he thinks his phone is ****ty, everything seems slow, the 4g in the browser, as well as all the stock apps. Im sure all of you can understand what he means since you have the phone.
I feel bad for him, lol... Anyways im just considering to root his phone for him so i can overclock his phone as well as get him setcpu for battery life.
Im asking the photon community for some input/advice. How are the devs doing for your phone. Any operational AOSP roms? Which rom should i check out for a vanilla android feel that is buttery smooth and just makes you love your phone?
My friend is a noob and all, im mostly looking for a fully operational rom so he doesnt get the urge to whip his phone at the wall.
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Hes not happy and he thinks his phone is ****ty, everything seems slow, the 4g in the browser, as well as all the stock apps. Im sure all of you can understand what he means since you have the phone.
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No I personally cannot understand what he means. Maybe your friend is doing it wrong? Are we even talking about the same phone here... Because my phone is in no way, shape or form slow.
So i convinced my friend to grab this phone because of all the goodness and epic speeds ive experienced with my 1.2ghz dual core mytouch 4g slide...
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that doesn't make any sense...
What does your snapdragon have to do with the tegra 2 SOC powering the photon they are completely different experiences. If you like how your phone runs why not just recommend your friend buy one like yours.
Also, rooting won't allow you to OC. You'll need the OC kernel that's floating around the dev section. As for roms, CM7 is in the works. Wait for that and slap it on your friends phone when it's done.
Or just tell him to get a new phone. I hear samsung's great for "noobs"
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There are also no real downsides to rooting.
This phone has the best battery life of any android phone I have ever owned out of the box. The speeds are crazy and everything on the device is super smooth. The only time I ever experience an issue is with the stock keyboard - its just not right for me. I use SwiftKey X.
Speeds on 4G are pretty much a joke anywhere - they get to call those speeds 4G when GSM 3G has had similar speeds for a long time. Yeah, they are better than Sprints 3G most the time, but they definitely are slow in comparison to HSPA or LTE
The only downfalls of rooting are the same as the Epic Touch - it does void the warranty, even though it is reversible or hide-able. The chances of being caught are low.
Now the downfall of Unlocking the bootloader is that we don't have 4G working again, unless you relock which doesn't take long.
Honestly if dude isn't happy with the phone, there is something wrong with him or he needs to buy a different device. Probably an iDevice.
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No I personally cannot understand what he means. Maybe your friend is doing it wrong? Are we even talking about the same phone here... Because my phone is in no way, shape or form slow.
that doesn't make any sense...
What does your snapdragon have to do with the tegra 2 SOC powering the photon they are completely different experiences. If you like how your phone runs why not just recommend your friend buy one like yours.
Also, rooting won't allow you to OC. You'll need the OC kernel that's floating around the dev section. As for roms, CM7 is in the works. Wait for that and slap it on your friends phone when it's done.
Or just tell him to get a new phone. I hear samsung's great for "noobs"
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There are also no real downsides to rooting.
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We are talking about the giant octagon shaped phone from sprint in qHD and has a 1.0 dual core processor right? Why shouldnt i expect similar performance to my 1.2 dual core. Is your second core completely dormant or something? Mine atleast runs all the background apps with the second core.
Your phone is newer, and is/was the flagship phone for sprint.
I witnessed him having to wait about 10 seconds after clicking on his bookmark just to load google in the middle of chicago where he has full bars of 4g.
After that he showed me his 15 second wait to get to espn.go.com. he lives in the city and he said this is normal for him.
He showed me his stock music app which was just rediculous. Like 5 seconds or so to load artists, and then again for songs. I fixed that for him instantly when i have him mixzing from the market.
So your phone has terrible stock software, and a ton of bloatware. Im thinking that rooting it and getting a rom with more vanilla android apps would do the trick, but as for his network speed im not so sure. Maybe sprint is just a p.o.s. maybe its the stock radio.
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This phone has the best battery life of any android phone I have ever owned out of the box.
Speeds on 4G are pretty much a joke anywhere - they get to call those speeds 4G when GSM 3G has had similar speeds for a long time. Yeah, they are better than Sprints 3G most the time, but they definitely are slow in comparison to HSPA or LTE
Now the downfall of Unlocking the bootloader is that we don't have 4G working again, unless you relock which doesn't take long.
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1750maH battery is pretty win, i know.
I didnt think the network being THAT slow was possible.
Losing 4g sounds like a pain in the ass. So whats the problem you only get 4g with S-on and not with S-off? Im gonna have to do some research so that i can root his phone and flash a new rom within a couple hours...
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If you like how your phone runs why not just recommend your friend buy one like yours.
Also, rooting won't allow you to OC. You'll need the OC kernel that's floating around the dev section.
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I would have picked mine for him believe me.
How fast can you oc with the right kernel? My phone is getting 1788mhz dual core and minimal bugs.
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leoilios said:
I would have picked mine for him believe me.
How fast can you oc with the right kernel? My phone is getting 1788mhz dual core and minimal bugs.
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Tegra Chip is easily capable of 1.6/7 - they do it on the Xoom all day long. But that speed isn't really used, there aren't any apps that are that intensive. And if they do exist, they have been optimized for Tegra 2 and Physx.
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1750maH battery is pretty win, i know.
I didnt think the network being THAT slow was possible.
Losing 4g sounds like a pain in the ass. So whats the problem you only get 4g with S-on and not with S-off? Im gonna have to do some research so that i can root his phone and flash a new rom within a couple hours...
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We don't have 4G because the unlocked bootloader messes with our RSA keys which authenticate the device to the network. I know a fix is being worked on, but I am not sure if we should count on anything any time soon.
Also technically I believe our phone and chipset is older, I mean the Atrix is a twin and its been out for a good long time now - we are only slightly upgraded in comparison.
How long it takes to load a website has to do with download speeds, not bloatware. I just tried an experiment. I loaded google news. (about 10 seconds) then I loaded something that wasn't a browser. Then I went to the home screen and tapped google news. It loaded instantly. Then I went to the home screen and clicked a shortcut for ars technica. 11 seconds. I believe that was download speed.
I have 2 bars of 3g, by the way.
My downloads are much faster when I have wifi.
So I don't think rooting and removing bloatware will make any difference.
I have found that sometimes the phone us confused as to whether 4g is available, and in those cases, turning off the 4g radio improves performance. That might be your friend's problem.
I have been thrilled with the speed and responsiveness of my photon, by the way. Yes, downloads can be limited by signal, but everything that's on the phone is instant response and buttery smooth. So my other hypothesis it's that there's something wrong with your friend's unit. Try clearing out everything non-stock that he loaded and see if performance improves. If that doesn't do it, try exchanging it for a different unit.
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How long it takes to load a website has to do with download speeds, not bloatware. I just tried an experiment. I loaded google news. (about 10 seconds) then I loaded something that wasn't a browser. Then I went to the home screen and tapped google news. It loaded instantly. Then I went to the home screen and clicked a shortcut for ars technica. 11 seconds. I believe that was download speed.
I have 2 bars of 3g, by the way.
My downloads are much faster when I have wifi.
So I don't think rooting and removing bloatware will make any difference.
I have found that sometimes the phone us confused as to whether 4g is available, and in those cases, turning off the 4g radio improves performance. That might be your friend's problem.
I have been thrilled with the speed and responsiveness of my photon, by the way. Yes, downloads can be limited by signal, but everything that's on the phone is instant response and buttery smooth. So my other hypothesis it's that there's something wrong with your friend's unit. Try clearing out everything non-stock that he loaded and see if performance improves. If that doesn't do it, try exchanging it for a different unit.
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He got it on day 1 of it being released so maybe he got a bad revision of the phone
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I'm one of those people that ended up with an incredibly reliable Thunderbolt. It hardly ever crashes, fixed GPS, Liquid rom, extended battery/case from Trident. It's a very reliable phone, very quick.
But I do want something newer, something faster.
Now with the Thunderbolt, I could S=off -> S=on and send it back no problem.
With the Rezound, it appears it's not that simple. I've seen that rooting and unrooting leads to "TAMPERED" being tagged. Has anyone exchanged one under warranty and had any issues?
How "moddable" is this phone without risking the Tampered tag. If I want to use custom roms and over-clock the CPU, is it still possible?
Has anyone moved from a rooted, Liquid flashed reliable Thunderbolt to a Rezound that can share their experience? Thanks guys! I considered the Nexus but I don't know how Google could mess up their selection on a manufacturer that bad. The best Nexus phone so far was HTC branded and the worst Android devices of the new era have been Samsung branded. So who do we pick for the Verizon Nexus? Oh yeah let's go with Samsung, GREAT choice.
its not as close to moding as the tbolt, I also used both.
Scot makes phenomenal roms I only use his roms, but there are other amazing developers , so there is no lack of great devs for this phone.
HOWEVER :
Coming fro the tbolt with cm7 ( and all its derivatives) the sad truth is ( imho) that my tbolt was and still is faster than my rezound with 0 Lag and incredible signal with battery life.
Here is why I think thats the case: The mere sizes of the rom should tell you something , cm with gapps never really exceed 150 mb. There is not a single rom out there not ( ics or gb sensed and desensed ) that is less than 300 for the rezound
Also its all wishful thinking with the s-off , devs have made great accomplishments but there is no solid hard proof that it will be release to the masses as of yet.
S-off has amazing benifits. On the tbolt i can flash 4 different roms in one day trying to find one that i like , between sense, senseless, cm or actually towards the end miui. Nandroid restore was an absolute breeze if something went wrong ( such as the infamous gps issue ).
Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
The thunderbolt RIL accomplishment is also worth its weight in gold, I dont really see that department being touched right now.
I tried liquid and I loved dhackers shoftao5p, his work was simply GOLD. you will NOT get the same smoothness with the rezound specially if you have another launcher on top ( Go launcher is my favorite, and its terrible on the rezound, on both ics, and gb . But it was liquid smooth on the tbolt ). You will not get all the beautiful mods liquid and cm had , although we are getting there on the mods.
The rezound is an awesome phone bec whats underneath the hood, but i think of it this way, if you have an awesome engine and but so so transmission and tires , you wont really get the full potential. I dont that full potential being really unlocked until the RIL and the s-ff are fully accomplished. The sad reality is that by the time all of this is accomplished HTC would probably have a newer phone with jelly bean on it.
I got the rezound bec like you, i wanted the next big thing, and i saw the hardware and I was so under the impression that it will crush my tbolt flat . And the fact that its the only phone beside the tbolt that does data and calls simultaneously on 3g ( Note: dont let other ppl fool you by telling you any 4g phone can do that, yes they can but only in 4g or wifi, unlike the tbolt or rezound).
Also the rezound graphics and camera are beyond imagination , but to me speed , battery life and signal are the most imp factors and even though they have comparable signals, my super tweaked tbolt had jaw dropping battery life and speed . It handled whatever launcher whatever game or video like a beast, and it stayed at a cool 29 degrees on the hottest summer day
if your into super tweaking your device and making every little inch of your phone work for you the way you want it , then stick with the thunderbolt for the moment and keep a watchful eyes.
and the s-off topic and cm are very sensitive, but hey, whats another forum on which ppl will cuss me out on calling it for what it is
Until we get S-Off (which appears it may be coming soon), you have to unlock the phone to root it and it's not possible to return it to a Locked stated (it will say Re-Locked)
The Tampered tag came with the leaked firmware updates, after installing those and flashing a custom recovery, you'll get Tampered.
You can unlock it and run the latest ICS roms using a patch vs flashing the latest firmware.
There have been plenty of people who claim they returned a Re-Locked phone back without issue. We do have one user though who got charged for his phone a few months later, they have not been able to get a solid answer out of Verizon as to why the charge.
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Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
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This can be summed up with two issues.
1) Nandroid can't restore kernels because we don't have S-Off. You need to flash it manually or use the Nandroid Helper script to restore a kernel. If and when we get S-Off this will be a non issue.
2) The latest firmware changes the SD card mount points. If you have the latest firmware installed and want to switch to a rom not based on the latest leak, you need to flash a script to fix the SD mount points. With most of the latest ICS roms now supporting the older firmware, I would hold off installing it til we have an official update.
it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
I get nothing but stellar battery life on my Rezound. And I was skeptical about picking up an LTE device at first, but my mind has been changed after having the phone for a month. I'm loving it.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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Extended battery or standard?
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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If this is on the standard battery, it's right on par with what it should be. Comparing the Rezound to the measly resolution of the tbolt is apples to oranges.
Battery life is not bad on the rez given the great 4G signal and the powerful CPU/GPU. Then again it really depends on how soon we get S-Off for the rez to be on par with the TBolt in terms of customization.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have yet to get ICS working "as intended" due to the fact that HTC has yet to produce it. Sure there was a leak, but it's unfinished, and while the community tries their hardest to get it up to speed, only HTC can actually deliver us a proper rom since they designed the dang thing. That being said, I remember Gingerbread took forever to come out, however from the looks of things HTC has in fact released GB on their own. Does this mean that GB roms are currently "solved"? By that I mean they are basically bug free (less any bugs the community introduces from mucking around with the rom). Basically, all features work as advertised under GB, but are often broke in ICS? Things such as data drops, camcorder, tethering, etc.
You are looking at it kinda wrongish. There is Gingerbread, but then there is Sense added to it. Gingerbread Sense 2.1 behaves a lot different than Gingerbread Sense 3.5. When you start to Frankenstein ROMs, things break, regardless of the Android version. Hope that makes Sense :silly:
Personally, and this is just my opinion:
My ICS rom (NuSenseROM) works as intended and about as good as anything we might be lucky enough to see from HTC and VZW.
The only thing that could truly improve things at this point, would be newer/better radios and kernel source.
Everything in my rom works, wifi, bluetooth, tether, 4G, camera, vid cam, mms etc,..
The only issue remaining in my eyes, is the occasional data drops.
But to be quite honest, I don't know if that will ever get better, as I feel it's more network related then it is device specific.
I experienced similar drops even on GB.
I have read way too many reports of similar issues on many VZW phones, so I don't think it's specific to our phones/radios/Ril as much as the community may believe.
I agree with santod on this. Our ics roms are great and will only get better with source. As for data drops, I think this is a direct result of Verizon using 4g extended as a way to say they have the largest network. Actual LTE works much better and data drops much less ofte..
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I also agree
I agree as well about the data drops and verizon's service period.... i live in Arizona and only phoenix and tucson have 4g in this state so i cannot say for sure on LTE but where i live there are 2 cell towers here. i live bout a half mile away from one of them and my signal is solid always but i get data drops almost every time i try to do a larger download like lets say a rom or even like angry birds and always with music.... and every phone ive had has had that problem so i am questioning verizons quality of service among other issues with them.. my last phone was a samsung stratosphere and as far as i know they never released the RIL for it but i did use it on the 4g and it had LTE and it was awesome and for the small amount of time i got to enjoy it i didnt have a single drop but i also found a spot that was maybe 15 or 20 feet away and it would go to 3g and even 2g and nothing but issues ...
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Personally, and this is just my opinion:
My ICS rom (NuSenseROM) works as intended and about as good as anything we might be lucky enough to see from HTC and VZW.
The only thing that could truly improve things at this point, would be newer/better radios and kernel source. mms etc,..
The only issue remaining in my eyes, is the occasional data drops.
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I honestly haven't experienced data drops with your ROM, my issue is battery life being substantially less than GB ROMs, specifically Virus' Eternity ROM.
While this may be another case of every Thunderbolt being different, I'm hoping the official kernel will give you another chance to tweak settings and increase battery life, until then I'm forced back to Eternity 8-4.
I think if you are looking for an AOSP/AOKP experience, I would say that GB is currently much more stable. I am currently running Twisted's ICS and there are a few kinks, but overall, it works as a daily for me. Especially with the huge amount of work put into it. If you need something that is no fail though, GB I would say is still more stable, and ICS is not yet 'as intended'
Yeah, NuSense is the way to go. Data drops are just the norm. I've had it on every ROM I've flashed. In the beginning, 30+ downloads were great, but now 10ish and data drops are the norm. Been on 4G since it was first up here in Bakersfield.
But, I'd say SkyRaider or NuSense. Or new phone.
TheBeardedMann said:
Yeah, NuSense is the way to go. Data drops are just the norm. I've had it on every ROM I've flashed. In the beginning, 30+ downloads were great, but now 10ish and data drops are the norm. Been on 4G since it was first up here in Bakersfield.
But, I'd say SkyRaider or NuSense. Or new phone.
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It's a shame, I used to get 20-30Mbps when LTE first came out, now I get around 5-10Mbps average.
Well it's not so much just the data drops, I simply mentioned that since it is the most noticeable thing. I'm currently using NuSense, and while it's great and all, it still has "issues". It's these issues I'm looking to avoid. For starters we all know Sense is a bit crippling on the thunderbolt. Afterall it is an entire GUI front end on top of android itself, so naturally that is going to cost some performance. But more importantly it's the overall experience. I notice things like Chrome has some display artifacts when scrolling at times. Apps load slower due to so much memory swapping taking place to keep Sense in ram. Sense itself sometimes has to reload when you've done too much in the background.
Like I said, it's the experience. I like snappy roms that behave as you expect them to. So I was just wondering with GB being officially supported by HTC, if most GB roms tend to work flawlessly. There's always going to be issues with these leaks, and I seem to always be going from leak to leak without ever actually settling on a nice stable well vested rom.
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So I was just wondering with GB being officially supported by HTC, if most GB roms tend to work flawlessly.
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Not all GB ROMs work flawlessly but many do. If you want a basic GB ROM I have had very good luck with Thunderstick BareBack which is a de-sensed GB ROM, you might like it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385837
Thanks for the link, I'm actually demoing BAMF SoaB right now and it seems to be offering what I'm looking for. It's very fast and very responsive, especially for a sense based rom. With all the roms I've tried on this phone, I still always get the warm fuzzies when I load sense back up. So far I'm really loving this rom, even if it's a tiny bit outdated. Quality is more important that features to me right now.
I finally retired my Evo OG and loved it so much I had to go with it's successor. My Evo's LCD screen went out literally when I got home from the sprint store (talk about great timing). First of all RIP Evo OG. You are still the best phone I have ever owned. I'm gonna miss you.
Anyway, I am wondering what's the first things I should do with my new Evo LTE? Should I root right away? Any good rom suggestions? Kernels? My old phone was rooted since about the time I first bought it. I was running Deck's rom for about the last 8 months. Thanks for any advice.
My phone's hardware version is 0003 and software version 1.13.651.1 710RD. I haven't had a chance to check the Hboot and S-off stuff yet.
StrummingLevi said:
I finally retired my Evo OG and loved it so much I had to go with it's successor. My Evo's LCD screen went out literally when I got home from the sprint store (talk about great timing). First of all RIP Evo OG. You are still the best phone I have ever owned. I'm gonna miss you.
Anyway, I am wondering what's the first things I should do with my new Evo LTE? Should I root right away? Any good rom suggestions? Kernels? My old phone was rooted since about the time I first bought it. I was running Deck's rom for about the last 8 months. Thanks for any advice.
My phone's hardware version is 0003 and software version 1.13.651.1 710RD. I haven't had a chance to check the Hboot and S-off stuff yet.
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root... then s-off.. flash mean rom or cm10 if u like aosp roms.. i like sense myself.. i say mean rom the best sense and aosp would be cm10 for sure!
Sell it due to radio issues...
Or second.. Make sure you update to the latest baseband, pri, and all the pieces that go with it. Do not make the mistake of just updating the modem. Especially with all the issues the modem has now. Hopefully they will come out with some sort of fix but many of us are doubtful. Then from there test different roms to see what works for you.
Loved this phone for everything but uh the phone and data part. Getting a note 2 or s3 in a week and handing the evo down.
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I may be of the minority, but I have had VERY FEW issues with my phone. It has worked well from the beginning and all but one issue has been resolved (contacts lagging, but not as bad for me as some report). I am not rooted and don't ever plan to be. I use Nova Launcher Prime, which took care for Sense reloads, and Chomp for texting as it syncs Facebook avitars for free. I absolutely love this phone. Good luck to you with yours!
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Thanks for all of the advice guys I really appreciate it.
evo401:
I'm going to give sense a try for a day or two and then probably root and try some roms. I've read that the sense camera app is awesome and am curious as to how valid that is. Any knowledge?
digiblur:
When I first turned on the phone it updated some things including the prl. How exactly would I go about making sure I get all of the correct radio pieces?
digiblur:
Glad to hear a positive review of the phone. I'm definitely gonna take a look at some of those apps you posted.
I keep reading about how terrible the multitasking is. I guess I'll get a feel for that and battery life in my first go around today. I'm hoping this goes well.
All the firmware pieces come with the OTA updates that download and get applied at reboot.
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Root and MeanRom for sure. IMHO.
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Root and MeanRom for sure. IMHO.
Sent from my ElteVO using xda premium on the latest Meanest Rom.
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thats what im saying bro.. mean rom is were its at! :good:
Personally I'm a huge fan of flex's Rom stock with goodies its so smooth
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StrummingLevi said:
Thanks for all of the advice guys I really appreciate it.
evo401:
I'm going to give sense a try for a day or two and then probably root and try some roms. I've read that the sense camera app is awesome and am curious as to how valid that is. Any knowledge?
digiblur:
When I first turned on the phone it updated some things including the prl. How exactly would I go about making sure I get all of the correct radio pieces?
digiblur:
Glad to hear a positive review of the phone. I'm definitely gonna take a look at some of those apps you posted.
I keep reading about how terrible the multitasking is. I guess I'll get a feel for that and battery life in my first go around today. I'm hoping this goes well.
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If you're familiar with android at all you'll immediately see how broke the multitasking is. But AOSP ROMs fix that. I've read zeppelinroxs mod fixes it for sense. I'm starting its the s4 processor, cuz all I use is AOSP, and when I relaunch root explorer from recent button, root explorer always start from base level, not last open level.
hurled from my AOKP'd Evo LTE. Enjoy.
Thanks Digilbur for that info. I was actually having all sorts of trouble with data speeds for the past few days so I was starting to worry that the radio was gonna be a problem, but turns out I was worrying for nothing because sprint was having an unusual outage in my area. He said it would be fixed on the 26th so hopefully everything will be running smooth by then. I went ahead and took the OTA I received, prior to knowing about the outage, hoping it would fix my radios.
Coming from my last phone where I had to squeeze every last drop of battery life out of it, I'm loving how much longer this one lasts. I rarely played games on my OG because my phone would die, now I can spend a bunch of time playing 9 innings baseball 2013 (GO A'S!).
Anyway when I do root, which will likely be soon, I will have to try Mean rom, Flex rom, and CM10. I have been partial to AOSP roms because I like to use go launcher ex anyway, but never really liked cyanogen mod due to too some problems that are probably fixed. My main thing is without question battery life followed by functionality (everything working or working better than in stock). I'm hoping to have the multitasking fixed for sure and I'm still curious as to if there is any truth to the camera app or camera itself functioning better in sense?
Sense uses image sense with is basically post (denoise, color correction) but the camera is still leaps and bounds ahead of aosp camera in terms of functionality. The libs are supposed to have been ported but the chromatic aberration is terrible in aosp
Fleck's stock with goodies is a good ROM. Basically stock with a few features like quick toggles added. True multitasking as well but I haven't used it awhile. Cm10 is always nice.