Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have yet to get ICS working "as intended" due to the fact that HTC has yet to produce it. Sure there was a leak, but it's unfinished, and while the community tries their hardest to get it up to speed, only HTC can actually deliver us a proper rom since they designed the dang thing. That being said, I remember Gingerbread took forever to come out, however from the looks of things HTC has in fact released GB on their own. Does this mean that GB roms are currently "solved"? By that I mean they are basically bug free (less any bugs the community introduces from mucking around with the rom). Basically, all features work as advertised under GB, but are often broke in ICS? Things such as data drops, camcorder, tethering, etc.
You are looking at it kinda wrongish. There is Gingerbread, but then there is Sense added to it. Gingerbread Sense 2.1 behaves a lot different than Gingerbread Sense 3.5. When you start to Frankenstein ROMs, things break, regardless of the Android version. Hope that makes Sense :silly:
Personally, and this is just my opinion:
My ICS rom (NuSenseROM) works as intended and about as good as anything we might be lucky enough to see from HTC and VZW.
The only thing that could truly improve things at this point, would be newer/better radios and kernel source.
Everything in my rom works, wifi, bluetooth, tether, 4G, camera, vid cam, mms etc,..
The only issue remaining in my eyes, is the occasional data drops.
But to be quite honest, I don't know if that will ever get better, as I feel it's more network related then it is device specific.
I experienced similar drops even on GB.
I have read way too many reports of similar issues on many VZW phones, so I don't think it's specific to our phones/radios/Ril as much as the community may believe.
I agree with santod on this. Our ics roms are great and will only get better with source. As for data drops, I think this is a direct result of Verizon using 4g extended as a way to say they have the largest network. Actual LTE works much better and data drops much less ofte..
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I agree as well about the data drops and verizon's service period.... i live in Arizona and only phoenix and tucson have 4g in this state so i cannot say for sure on LTE but where i live there are 2 cell towers here. i live bout a half mile away from one of them and my signal is solid always but i get data drops almost every time i try to do a larger download like lets say a rom or even like angry birds and always with music.... and every phone ive had has had that problem so i am questioning verizons quality of service among other issues with them.. my last phone was a samsung stratosphere and as far as i know they never released the RIL for it but i did use it on the 4g and it had LTE and it was awesome and for the small amount of time i got to enjoy it i didnt have a single drop but i also found a spot that was maybe 15 or 20 feet away and it would go to 3g and even 2g and nothing but issues ...
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Personally, and this is just my opinion:
My ICS rom (NuSenseROM) works as intended and about as good as anything we might be lucky enough to see from HTC and VZW.
The only thing that could truly improve things at this point, would be newer/better radios and kernel source. mms etc,..
The only issue remaining in my eyes, is the occasional data drops.
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I honestly haven't experienced data drops with your ROM, my issue is battery life being substantially less than GB ROMs, specifically Virus' Eternity ROM.
While this may be another case of every Thunderbolt being different, I'm hoping the official kernel will give you another chance to tweak settings and increase battery life, until then I'm forced back to Eternity 8-4.
I think if you are looking for an AOSP/AOKP experience, I would say that GB is currently much more stable. I am currently running Twisted's ICS and there are a few kinks, but overall, it works as a daily for me. Especially with the huge amount of work put into it. If you need something that is no fail though, GB I would say is still more stable, and ICS is not yet 'as intended'
Yeah, NuSense is the way to go. Data drops are just the norm. I've had it on every ROM I've flashed. In the beginning, 30+ downloads were great, but now 10ish and data drops are the norm. Been on 4G since it was first up here in Bakersfield.
But, I'd say SkyRaider or NuSense. Or new phone.
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Yeah, NuSense is the way to go. Data drops are just the norm. I've had it on every ROM I've flashed. In the beginning, 30+ downloads were great, but now 10ish and data drops are the norm. Been on 4G since it was first up here in Bakersfield.
But, I'd say SkyRaider or NuSense. Or new phone.
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It's a shame, I used to get 20-30Mbps when LTE first came out, now I get around 5-10Mbps average.
Well it's not so much just the data drops, I simply mentioned that since it is the most noticeable thing. I'm currently using NuSense, and while it's great and all, it still has "issues". It's these issues I'm looking to avoid. For starters we all know Sense is a bit crippling on the thunderbolt. Afterall it is an entire GUI front end on top of android itself, so naturally that is going to cost some performance. But more importantly it's the overall experience. I notice things like Chrome has some display artifacts when scrolling at times. Apps load slower due to so much memory swapping taking place to keep Sense in ram. Sense itself sometimes has to reload when you've done too much in the background.
Like I said, it's the experience. I like snappy roms that behave as you expect them to. So I was just wondering with GB being officially supported by HTC, if most GB roms tend to work flawlessly. There's always going to be issues with these leaks, and I seem to always be going from leak to leak without ever actually settling on a nice stable well vested rom.
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So I was just wondering with GB being officially supported by HTC, if most GB roms tend to work flawlessly.
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Not all GB ROMs work flawlessly but many do. If you want a basic GB ROM I have had very good luck with Thunderstick BareBack which is a de-sensed GB ROM, you might like it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385837
Thanks for the link, I'm actually demoing BAMF SoaB right now and it seems to be offering what I'm looking for. It's very fast and very responsive, especially for a sense based rom. With all the roms I've tried on this phone, I still always get the warm fuzzies when I load sense back up. So far I'm really loving this rom, even if it's a tiny bit outdated. Quality is more important that features to me right now.
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Can someone tell me where all the hype is about gingerbread besides having a tbolt n showing people that you have sw version 2.3? I just don't get it. Yeah sure it looks cool, but as we all know other Roms like BAMF (Sense or not) is just way sicker/snappier and more reliable. Sure all these GB Roms are in their early stages, but like I said, their more basic and the only true benefit I've been reading that people seem to be really concerned about is Netflix working. Obviously everyone has an opinion (like I'm expressing mine) just curious why GB has soooo much hype. Personally, with running BAMF 1.2 with Adryns 4.4.7 amongst other performance tweeks (I/O scheduler sertings, CPU settings without SetCpu etc...) My tbolt couldn't be more sick. So freaking snappy, great battery life, look n feel is so nasty that I just don't get the GB Hype... If netflix gets on this bad boy, I'd be more than set. Like I said. All personal opinion, but some good pointers/insight might help me understand. Until then, I'm more than content with my ridiculous fast more than stable Tbolt. Even if it doesn't "say 2.3.*..."
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I admire your will power, for me I guess it was just wanting to try the newest thing and Sense 2.1. However i flashed the gingeritis III rom and it soft bricked my phone, would go to boot screen and at the end it would say Enjoy your HTC Thunderbolt and never get past that. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the ROM because according to the thread several people have this working just fine on their phone. I did follow the instructions to the letter but it didn't work, luckily I was able to restore my latest backup back to Das Bamf 1.6.3 remix.......WHEW!
I had a few Gingerbread ROMs on my OG Droid and I hated them. The ROMs were well developed and mature by the time I replaced the phone, but 2.3 in general was just super buggy and annoying. Stability, speed and battery life were a mess compared to the 2.2 ROMs on that phone. I don't know how much different it is on the T-Bolt as I haven't rooted mine yet, but from my experience, Gingerbread is stale right now. Too many problems to be worth the relatively minor upgrades.
You can't judge GB based on the roms made from this leak. The people using it now are either trying to help devs, curious, or just interested in the newest thing. Once GB got figured out for my D1 it drastically improved performance and battery life, as well as offered new features.
This leak is an alpha type of product, and there will be releases that are much more finely tuned and smooth. GB has many "unseen" improvements like JIT, as well as cosmetic and functional changes. Once some good stable releases of GB come out, it will be much more appealing. I do agree about the current Froyo roms being VERY good though. The BAMF roms and lean kernel have this thing working at near perfection...so I will be waiting for the "clean" GB roms to come out for my next daily driver.
Hello all,
I was just wondering what your impressions were re, the most stable ROM out now, the one with the least issues. Is there one that seems to be most hassle-free? I'm not nessasarily looking for a lot of bells and whistles...
Thanks!
Used to enjoy Theory's ROMs but felt that every few weeks he'd discontinue a ROM and release a new one. If you want a sense ROM that has a good following, I'm gonna be taking a look at SynergyROM, or if you want a non-sense ROM (AKA AOSP) I'd go CM7 (CynergyMod 7).
I'm aosp fan personally. I've used Cyanogenmod extensively, as well as Omgb. I'm currently running TheROM V4 and it is rock solid stable and very responsive. Not many bells and whistles. Just vanilla gingerbread.
It depends on what you want aosp or sense
For me I'm an aosp girl I'm running cyanogenmod 7 v1.7 loving it and. Ill give the kernel I'm using for battery life
If I don't want aosp anymore I always go to. http://teambamf.net/
I love das bamf! or if not go to http://themikmik.com/forumdisplay.php?1004-HTC-Thunderbolt-Developer-Forum I personal really like chingy's roms
I don't like Droid theory just saying
If you like sense, I really like Chingy's Gingeritis 3D.
Second vote for Gingeritis 3D. Stable and great battery life if you just use better governors.
Definitely the wrong forum, bro.
been rocking cleantheory to shiftsense for the past two weeks. both have been rock solid. DT is stopping development though, so take it for whatever that means. i think at some point all ROMS eventually lose development. hopefully whatever you choose is good enough for your daily driver if you dont like flashing over and over.
ShiftS3ns3 by DroidTho3ry rocks - give it a shot.
I think I'm going to give Gingeritis 3D a try. I'm not a pro at flashing new ROMs... i've only done it once (running BAMF 1.3 now). Is there anything special I should do? Is it just like flashing the BAMF ROM? (can I do it from ROM Manager?)
Thanks!
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been rocking cleantheory to shiftsense for the past two weeks. both have been rock solid. DT is stopping development though, so take it for whatever that means. i think at some point all ROMS eventually lose development. hopefully whatever you choose is good enough for your daily driver if you dont like flashing over and over.
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DT mentioned that he's taking a break, so hopefully he won't be gone too long. His work is better than stock.. HTC ought to hire him and get out of his way.
If you want Sense ROM, can't go wrong with SkyRaider Preview 2 or ShiftS3NS3.
If you want AOSP based ROM, SHIFTAO5P hasn't given me any problems whatsoever.
If you can live without the 3d, skyraider preview 2 is rock solid.
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FWIW, I have been pretty pleased with the Synergy ROMs and I'd be running one now but...... I was one who fell victim to either the ROM Manager update or the CWM update and now cannot restore any of my backups. I tried various earlier CWMs w/o success and finally un-rooted, installed stock, did the OTA update and I'm back 100% stock.
I mention this because it's relevent to the question..... Battery life is good, the stability is excellent and, once customized to my liking, I really can't see much difference other than the "billions and billions" of crap apps VZW and HTC have added to the phone. If I could get rid of them I'd be just fine with the stock ROM believe it or not!
I'll probably re-root at some point and it's VERY likely I'll go back to the Synergy ROM because it works. I've had rebooting problems with other ROMs I've tried and I'm no longer in a mood to experiment, maybe later?
OK, it's later. I rooted, using Revolutionary, used Titanium backup to remove VZWs crapware and then figured why not? and installed the latest Synergy ROM.
I guess I just can't live with a non-rooted phone for 24 hours..... <sigh>
i keep trying out different roms all the time(sense & aosp based) and find that i'll keep going back to Synergy. it seems the most stable just i having issues with settling with just one rom.
Everyone has a different opinion on what stable is. I think CM7 is plenty stable, but there are those that disagree for whatever logical/illogical reason. Mainly, if you aren't prepared to encounter issues either brought up by your own experimenting or those of the ROM developer, I would stay with what the phone came with and be happy you have a phone that (sort of) works
If you are more brave, then read on.
If you read the comments about most ROMs, there is no such thing as a 100% infallible, will never ever let you down, stable ROM. ROMs are generally bleeding edge and users accept the fact they may have bugs in exchange for the phone doing more than what HTC and verizon allowed them to do. However, ignore most comments, because those are generally just people that screwed something up either knowingly or unknowingly. Like people that go the the hospital (for those that have family members that work at one), not everyone is ready to admit they did something stupid and have it on public display
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If you read the comments about most ROMs, there is no such thing as a 100% infallible, will never ever let you down, stable ROM.
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Skyraider with Ziggy's kernel is EXACTLY this. It has average to good battery life though. Everything works, including it being compatible with call recording and incredicontrol (voltage control app). It also has the notification tweaks that no one has quite duplicated and I have grown to love.
I find Synergy to be an excellent rom as well, but the themes available do not suit me at all. It does support everything with good battery life and also adds HTC Hub which is awesome. It also has DConfig, which I just have not gotten a great benefit from but I guess some might.
The theory sense rom was smooth as silk, and seemed to be a happy medium between the first two I posted.
Chingy's rom is VERY slick, but very vanilla. The fact that it is Odexed makes theming harder I think, but for me that means I cannot replace the HTC browser with the AOSP one, and I HATE THE SENSE BROWSER lol.
ALL AOSP roms seem to have squashed most of the crappy battery issues and get great battery life now. This added to a FAR FAR FAR better bluetooth stack for better use with wireless devices like Jawbone, AND compatability with PS3 hardware make them an awesome choice. The ONLY problem is the lack of reliable network location. This means google maps works perfect, but your web browser can and will put you across the world sometimes, as well as weather apps etc. This rules it out for me for now.
Hope that helps
Shifts3ns3 has been the best for me, while I liked synergy, it had more bugs and seemed much slower to me, shift has the useful 3.0 features without the slowdown of a full sense 3.0 rom
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I'm one of those people that ended up with an incredibly reliable Thunderbolt. It hardly ever crashes, fixed GPS, Liquid rom, extended battery/case from Trident. It's a very reliable phone, very quick.
But I do want something newer, something faster.
Now with the Thunderbolt, I could S=off -> S=on and send it back no problem.
With the Rezound, it appears it's not that simple. I've seen that rooting and unrooting leads to "TAMPERED" being tagged. Has anyone exchanged one under warranty and had any issues?
How "moddable" is this phone without risking the Tampered tag. If I want to use custom roms and over-clock the CPU, is it still possible?
Has anyone moved from a rooted, Liquid flashed reliable Thunderbolt to a Rezound that can share their experience? Thanks guys! I considered the Nexus but I don't know how Google could mess up their selection on a manufacturer that bad. The best Nexus phone so far was HTC branded and the worst Android devices of the new era have been Samsung branded. So who do we pick for the Verizon Nexus? Oh yeah let's go with Samsung, GREAT choice.
its not as close to moding as the tbolt, I also used both.
Scot makes phenomenal roms I only use his roms, but there are other amazing developers , so there is no lack of great devs for this phone.
HOWEVER :
Coming fro the tbolt with cm7 ( and all its derivatives) the sad truth is ( imho) that my tbolt was and still is faster than my rezound with 0 Lag and incredible signal with battery life.
Here is why I think thats the case: The mere sizes of the rom should tell you something , cm with gapps never really exceed 150 mb. There is not a single rom out there not ( ics or gb sensed and desensed ) that is less than 300 for the rezound
Also its all wishful thinking with the s-off , devs have made great accomplishments but there is no solid hard proof that it will be release to the masses as of yet.
S-off has amazing benifits. On the tbolt i can flash 4 different roms in one day trying to find one that i like , between sense, senseless, cm or actually towards the end miui. Nandroid restore was an absolute breeze if something went wrong ( such as the infamous gps issue ).
Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
The thunderbolt RIL accomplishment is also worth its weight in gold, I dont really see that department being touched right now.
I tried liquid and I loved dhackers shoftao5p, his work was simply GOLD. you will NOT get the same smoothness with the rezound specially if you have another launcher on top ( Go launcher is my favorite, and its terrible on the rezound, on both ics, and gb . But it was liquid smooth on the tbolt ). You will not get all the beautiful mods liquid and cm had , although we are getting there on the mods.
The rezound is an awesome phone bec whats underneath the hood, but i think of it this way, if you have an awesome engine and but so so transmission and tires , you wont really get the full potential. I dont that full potential being really unlocked until the RIL and the s-ff are fully accomplished. The sad reality is that by the time all of this is accomplished HTC would probably have a newer phone with jelly bean on it.
I got the rezound bec like you, i wanted the next big thing, and i saw the hardware and I was so under the impression that it will crush my tbolt flat . And the fact that its the only phone beside the tbolt that does data and calls simultaneously on 3g ( Note: dont let other ppl fool you by telling you any 4g phone can do that, yes they can but only in 4g or wifi, unlike the tbolt or rezound).
Also the rezound graphics and camera are beyond imagination , but to me speed , battery life and signal are the most imp factors and even though they have comparable signals, my super tweaked tbolt had jaw dropping battery life and speed . It handled whatever launcher whatever game or video like a beast, and it stayed at a cool 29 degrees on the hottest summer day
if your into super tweaking your device and making every little inch of your phone work for you the way you want it , then stick with the thunderbolt for the moment and keep a watchful eyes.
and the s-off topic and cm are very sensitive, but hey, whats another forum on which ppl will cuss me out on calling it for what it is
Until we get S-Off (which appears it may be coming soon), you have to unlock the phone to root it and it's not possible to return it to a Locked stated (it will say Re-Locked)
The Tampered tag came with the leaked firmware updates, after installing those and flashing a custom recovery, you'll get Tampered.
You can unlock it and run the latest ICS roms using a patch vs flashing the latest firmware.
There have been plenty of people who claim they returned a Re-Locked phone back without issue. We do have one user though who got charged for his phone a few months later, they have not been able to get a solid answer out of Verizon as to why the charge.
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Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
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This can be summed up with two issues.
1) Nandroid can't restore kernels because we don't have S-Off. You need to flash it manually or use the Nandroid Helper script to restore a kernel. If and when we get S-Off this will be a non issue.
2) The latest firmware changes the SD card mount points. If you have the latest firmware installed and want to switch to a rom not based on the latest leak, you need to flash a script to fix the SD mount points. With most of the latest ICS roms now supporting the older firmware, I would hold off installing it til we have an official update.
it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
I get nothing but stellar battery life on my Rezound. And I was skeptical about picking up an LTE device at first, but my mind has been changed after having the phone for a month. I'm loving it.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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Extended battery or standard?
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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If this is on the standard battery, it's right on par with what it should be. Comparing the Rezound to the measly resolution of the tbolt is apples to oranges.
Battery life is not bad on the rez given the great 4G signal and the powerful CPU/GPU. Then again it really depends on how soon we get S-Off for the rez to be on par with the TBolt in terms of customization.
And I don't think it's related to the SoC. I think it might be more related to Sense, or HTC in general. The phone is fast, but there's some situations where it's very slow. Could be ICS too, I'm not sure. I notice that when switching between apps, or if I go a while without cleaning out open apps, I get a lot of lag. This is a concern because it never happened with my E4GT (I never bothered closing apps on that phone unless they were using GPS or something, and I HAD to).
Also (and here's one I'm sure everyone can try) when I'm looking at a photo in the gallery, and I click the "share" button, it takes 3-4 full seconds before the menu finally pops up. Is this normal? Again, never happened on my old phone. I might just be grasping for straws here, but it's the little things that bug me.
I'm running ViperROM 1.2.1 (I believe), and I've done the dual-core enhancement. I'm also running Nova PRIME.
Anyone else notice these kinds of annoying things?
I think it is sense/htc. Although the current cm9 is still what I'd consider in alpha stage, look at the rom zip, ~200MB vs close to 600MB for the other roms floating around. Add maybe 50-80MB to the cm9 for gapps, and you're still less than half of stock. All that bloatware has to run somehow. I think as time goes on, it'll be determined exactly what can safely be stripped away from sense to reduce bloat. Officially, the phone is hardly a week old, unofficial a bit over 2 weeks. Give it a month or two.
True. Good to know I'm not the only one
I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how popular this phone is with the dev community. I mean, root was available before it was in the hands of the masses, lol.
Can't wait for CM9! Ran CM7 on my OG EVo and LOVED IT! I just hope getting LTE to work on CM9 isn't as painful as getting Wimax to work on CM7
Given how much I used wimax with the old evo, if CM should comeout without functioning LTE, i'll still switch. By that time, LTE should be rolled out in chicago in masses, and hopefully 3g performance will be what it should be (1-1.5mbps down /1mbps up). For what I do, that's more than enough bw.
I already use different third party apps for practically every fundamental function of the phone. Converting from sense to something else will be real easy this time. With the old evo much time was spent trying different apps out to figure out what works best or gives a good user experience.
It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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OP says he's using Nova Prime.
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It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
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Ehhh, it's hit or miss for me. I've taken some very nice shots, but honestly the majority of my low-light shots have looked like absolute crap. The app's native AUTO settings are pretty bad for low-light shooting. Even the presets aren't that good. I have to manually adjust the expose and contrast to get anything remotely good. Daylight shots, however, are absolutely brilliant.
I have the paid version of CameraZOOM FX, but I don't think it plays very well with this camera. The exposure and color levels look good in low-light shots, but the pictures come out very out-of-focus for me. Not sure what that's related to.
But yeah to the other member who mentioned it, I'm using Nova Prime and it made my experience a whole lot better over the Sense launcher. Still not where I want it to be, though
Either way, very happy with the device. Screen is beautiful and the device itself is sexy as hell.
Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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No, it shouldn't.
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OP says he's using Nova Prime.
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Hmm that really sucks... I get lag too and it's kinda annoying.... Looks like we'll have to wait for the devs to fix this problem or an update from HTC.
Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue. I suggest you try this -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681183
My device (I'm loathe to call it a phone, it's SO much MORE... ) runs much better with Mr. V's mod - and I still get great battery life.
EDIT: Don't forget to nandroid first!
HTH,
-Jerry
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Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue.
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I have to say I don't think it's just the memory management problem. In fact, I wish there were less "management" and more "memory". In today's world of ICS, large screens, memory-hogging GPUs, and background apps, most Android phones don't have enough memory to run all the apps we would like to have. Especially for power users.
Since the OP was using ViperROM, he/she already has the memory optimizations you pointed suggested. As do I, although, I placed them there manually on Stock. Memory management will only get you so far. I still get quite a bit of performance hits when switching apps. Worse than that though, I get apps that have been killed in the BG and thus didn't fully save state so when I go back to them, I've lost the work I've done. Truly annoying.
HTC (and others) need to get a better imagination in terms of future-proofing (or even now-proofing) their products. I bought the LTEvo based on timing (contract renewal), reviews and loyalty for HTC (been on it since the G1). I can only assume that the reviewers didn't put on many apps when they reviewed the product.
Every time I've upgraded, I've been unhappy with the amount of space available - particularly RAM since the SDcard is upgrade-able. 1GB was "ok" in the GB- era. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade when HTC will (finally) get it right ... I hope.
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You're right. I must have been running on fumes when I read the OP.
I tried ViperROM, but went back to stock. I noticed lag after awhile.
On my OG EVO, if I wasn't running CM7.x, I'd either have MikG or Tommy Tomatoes Classic. Both odexed ROMs. IIRC, Aamikam has said that odexed performs better, and I believe him. Also, my experience bears this out. Stock with the dual-core ultimate mod is running way better for me than stock without.
Currently, I'm stock+root (as it seems none of the ROMs were super-solid, based on the various lengths of forums for each ROM).
I'm currently considering Infection 2.1, which looks great. I'm curious as to how fast and solid it performs, however. For instance, I have a stock Nexus 7 with JB (obviously) and it's the smoothest greatest Android device I've had to date. With JB on the Rezound, are we seeing the benefits of Project butter?
Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
Im in it now and so far no problems, project butter is def noticable
Well I'm running Infection 2.1 and it's fast and very smooth. I'm running it with IHateWebOS' deluxe+ kernel OC 1.8 with noop scheduler.
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Well I'm running Infection 2.1 and it's fast and very smooth. I'm running it with IHateWebOS' deluxe+ kernel OC 1.8 with noop scheduler.
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is gaming choppy?
ive noticed most of the 10/10.1 roms are choppy on the gaming side
i would like to test but i dont see the point in flashing the newest update just to find out when i can just ask :silly:
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is gaming choppy?
ive noticed most of the 10/10.1 roms are choppy on the gaming side
i would like to test but i dont see the point in flashing the newest update just to find out when i can just ask :silly:
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When i was running Infection 2.0 it was pretty choppy, but since i switched to the latest PAC-MAN rom by shrike and it's pretty smooth. Might have been the transition to 4.2.2.
Project butter isn't enabled for us on the Rezound, from what I've gathered there's a lot of coding that needs to be done to the jelly bean base to get it to work on our device properly. The smoothness comes from all the tweaks and enhancements the Rom devs have put Into the world Roms. I can't wait to see how smooth this phone will be once project butter is actually working
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Having experienced Project Butter firsthand, I can say in no uncertain terms that this isn't Project Butter. However, the interface is quite smooth given the right CPU governor. As mentioned, games performance is where things lag. We don't have hardware accelerated video, so anything 3D or HD is going to suffer.
.... Oh well its smooth and that's what counts right? Ha
I've tried every JB rom and the infectious 2 was the best to date.. but I always go back to the desensed Neo 2 for the battery life and I prefer the camera over JB as well.
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Currently, I'm stock+root (as it seems none of the ROMs were super-solid, based on the various lengths of forums for each ROM).
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Not quite sure what this means...JB for the Rezound hasn't been out THAT long as it took Chad, Neo, Shrike, et al quite a long time to get things somewhat stable. So I wouldn't go by length of thread to judge a usable/stable ROM, or maybe I just misundestand.
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I'm currently considering Infection 2.1, which looks great. I'm curious as to how fast and solid it performs, however. For instance, I have a stock Nexus 7 with JB (obviously) and it's the smoothest greatest Android device I've had to date. With JB on the Rezound, are we seeing the benefits of Project butter?
Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
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The above being said, I too have a Nexus 7 and am running mlaws Dirty AOKP on it. I just left Infection rom on my Rez and it is nowhere near as smooth an experience as on the N7 (no offense Neo, I know you work hard on all your roms).
I went back to hawk's eclipticrez rom for a couple of main reasons:
1. Signal strength is better on sense roms ON MY PHONE ( I have to say it that way because others will disagree heartily, I'm sure).
2. Video is less than perfect on the JB roms for rez.
3. Battery for me seems to be better (20-30%) on hawk's rom...haven't done a real test, just have ran both over several days usually doing the same stuff and I seem to need a charge faster on Infection.
Based on what has been accomplished and what HTC has released, it is a miracle we have JB, but there are still issues with it IMO. ABSOLUTELY nothing against the devs that are pouring their heart and soul into their respective projects, my hat's off to them all!
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Are voice calls, SMS, battery life, 4G, bluetooth audio, GPS, etc all solid? It can be so hard to look at the first few pages of a ROM where everyone is excited, followed by 234 pages (like Infection) of people posting questions and problems. Even worse, a ROM like Infection has been out so long that it's hard to tell what issues people currently have vs what they had 2 months ago.
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I think if you really took the time to read through the threads you're talking about, you'd find that there are very few major bugs that haven't been solved. I'm running Infection right now, and all the functions I use on a regular basis are working just fine; SMS, calling, 3G/4G/Wifi I can vouch for, and Wifi Tethering & GPS are working from what I've tested.
As for the threads, like I said. You really should take the time to read through everything. Infection's thread has loads of fluff and miscellaneous conversations with it, and a lot of the issues you may have seen have either been resolved or were just people who were unsure about how to do something. There are very few major stability issues, that I've experienced.
As for the overall usability and smoothness, it's very good. Shrike is right, it's certainly not Project Butter. But it isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Underclocking and undervolting can introduce lag, but only in extreme cases. Battery life will depend on the ROM, kernel, and individual settings in question, but there are a few generalities that can be made... such as the Noop scheduler, DanceDance/Wheatley governers, etc.
Hope this helps.
Edit: I rarely use the camera for photos or videos, and I simply don't have an interest in playing a game on my phone. So I can't give any insights on those aspects, sorry.
I'm running Infection right now and this is my first step into JB for the Rezound and I'm really impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest (hell, I was on a GB ROM 6 months ago for fear of moving to an unstable ICS), but what Neo has put together has really out-shined the competition.
With that being said, it's nowhere near perfect. All the basic things that you need a phone to do (talk, text, 3g/4g, wifi, etc) all work efficiently and effectively. However, and this could just be me, but when you're playing around within your phone, such as moving icons around while searching for things online and looking up directions in Maps, things will start "unfortunately stopping" on your phone, and Apex is almost always the first to go. On the bright side, the apps that crash immediately start working again, so it's not as detrimental as it seems.
The only time I've had an out and out failure on the phone was when I was in mid conversation the phone completely went blank. It responded to nothing. It was black screen, no lights, nothing. I had to pull the battery to reboot.
So, as it is within the modding community, everything comes with a certain amount of assumed risk. The closer you are to the bleeding edge, the more likely you are to get cut. (God, that was a terrible ending...)
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I'm running Infection right now and this is my first step into JB for the Rezound and I'm really impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest (hell, I was on a GB ROM 6 months ago for fear of moving to an unstable ICS), but what Neo has put together has really out-shined the competition.
With that being said, it's nowhere near perfect. All the basic things that you need a phone to do (talk, text, 3g/4g, wifi, etc) all work efficiently and effectively. However, and this could just be me, but when you're playing around within your phone, such as moving icons around while searching for things online and looking up directions in Maps, things will start "unfortunately stopping" on your phone, and Apex is almost always the first to go. On the bright side, the apps that crash immediately start working again, so it's not as detrimental as it seems.
The only time I've had an out and out failure on the phone was when I was in mid conversation the phone completely went blank. It responded to nothing. It was black screen, no lights, nothing. I had to pull the battery to reboot.
So, as it is within the modding community, everything comes with a certain amount of assumed risk. The closer you are to the bleeding edge, the more likely you are to get cut. (God, that was a terrible ending...)
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Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
tell me a jb rom that has video working properly(tearing) and the camcorder working and im all over it. as having a 3yr old i need both.
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Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
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ICS AOSP/CM/AOKP ROMs work well save for BT audio. Sense ROMs are still better tho...
I haven't seen this mention much, but how is the battery life vs Sense 3.6/4 roms?
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ICS AOSP/CM/AOKP ROMs work well save for BT audio. Sense ROMs are still better tho...
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BT audio should be fine on the latest ones. Granted, I haven't listened to music on them for more than a test, but calling and A2DP both work on 4.2.2.
How is the performance of google now? And again is battery life better than sense roms?
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Thanks everyone in this thread for the thoughtful, detailed responses. Personally I've learned a lot more here than reading through some of the ROM threads.
As a conclusion, I'm going to avoid the JB roms. I do waste a lot of my life playing games and watching video, so it sounds like it's best to avoid the JB ROMs. Plus this is my phone for work, and I take lots of annoying pictures of my kids. Sounds like the JB roms aren't quite stable enough in that regards.
What do people think about the non-JB/Cyanogen/AOKP ROMs? I guess those are optimized versions of base HTC ROMs? Do those perform better?
Again, thanks to everyone for their responses.
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If you don't want to go to jellybean yet (personally, I find the expanded notifications a killer feature since it previews email subjects and even opening lines)
Then try the simplistic rom by neo. It's an unbloated version of the stock global, sense 3.6 OTA rom and will at least be a little less memory hogging than the stock rom.
If you don't need Bluetooth calling, neo's rage 1.9.5 gets you a very stable, fast version of ICS (with no sense bloat), no video tearing and working camcorder.
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