Is it possible to get temp root only in such a way it doesn't mark the bootloader as TAMPERED?
For what it's worth, there is only a handful of reasons I would ever need root access and quite honestly I don't see the need to be rooted 100% of the time.
However, I don't feel the need to have to unlock the entire bootloader from HTC Dev just to install an APK or two.
Thanks for any pointers!
ttmcmurry said:
Is it possible to get temp root only in such a way it doesn't mark the bootloader as TAMPERED?
For what it's worth, there is only a handful of reasons I would ever need root access and quite honestly I don't see the need to be rooted 100% of the time.
However, I don't feel the need to have to unlock the entire bootloader from HTC Dev just to install an APK or two.
Thanks for any pointers!
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You only need to unlock the bootloader if you want to flash custom roms and such. If you just want root access for apps just use zedomax's root and dont unlock the bootloader. You only get the tampered messages if you unlock the bootloader.
njfoses said:
You only need to unlock the bootloader if you want to flash custom roms and such. If you just want root access for apps just use zedomax's root and dont unlock the bootloader. You only get the tampered messages if you unlock the bootloader.
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Actually that's wrong. They're two different things. If you root, it'll show tampered, whether unlocked or not. Locking or unlocking will not effect tampered status. Any root will show tampered. It goes away if you use RUU.
To answer the question asked, no. At the current time it is not possible to root without tampered bootloader
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chickut123 said:
Actually that's wrong. They're two different things. If you root, it'll show tampered, whether unlocked or not. Locking or unlocking will not effect tampered status. Any root will show tampered. It goes away if you use RUU.
To answer the question asked, no. At the current time it is not possible to root without tampered bootloader
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Yea i didnt word it very well. I assumed the reason the op was asking is so he could get back completely to stock if need be. If he only roots and then runs the ruu he would be back to stock. Thanks for clearing it up.
Thanks for the info - I didn't understand the mechanism that triggers the bootloader to show tampered.
Ultimately, I was looking into determining whether or not ICS encrypted the mail (not gmail) database, regardless of the device itself being encrypted or not.
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In regards to obtaining root, where does the unlocking of the bootloader come into play? I'm assuming that with a locked bootloader we will not be able to ever root our devices without some leak from HTC. But with the bootloader unlocked we still need to find an exploit in order to get root.
What I don't fully understand is why HTC would unlock the bootloader for us. Is there some sort of legitimate/developmental reason, beyond obtaining root, for us to demand that they unlock?
I guess the real question is, is locking the bootloader the ultimate block of root, and HTC is capitulating because they only want to make discovering a root exploit difficult, but not impossible, to appease the carriers?
Has this been explained ad nauseam and I'm late to the party?
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In regards to obtaining root, where does the unlocking of the bootloader come into play? I'm assuming that with a locked bootloader we will not be able to ever root our devices without some leak from HTC. But with the bootloader unlocked we still need to find an exploit in order to get root.
What I don't fully understand is why HTC would unlock the bootloader for us. Is there some sort of legitimate/developmental reason, beyond obtaining root, for us to demand that they unlock?
I guess the real question is, is locking the bootloader the ultimate block of root, and HTC is capitulating because they only want to make discovering a root exploit difficult, but not impossible, to appease the carriers?
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I'm not the best to explain it... But, lets give it a go.
A locked bootloader prevents the loading of custom ROMS. If we had that ability, we could bake in root. You can still root with a locked bootloader, but it then becomes an issue of finding an exploit to gain root.
As for a legitimate reason... It's our phone, and we should have the right to do what we will with it. Yes, dev is another legitimate reason.. but ultimately it's about freedom to use own devices as we want.
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In regards to obtaining root, where does the unlocking of the bootloader come into play? I'm assuming that with a locked bootloader we will not be able to ever root our devices without some leak from HTC. But with the bootloader unlocked we still need to find an exploit in order to get root.
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As stated above, I believe that we can technically root our phones even with a locked bootloader. The problem with it being locked is that we cannot use a custom recovery to flash custom roms etc. In order for root to work properly we also need Superuser permission, and being locked or S-ON blocks us from doing so. Basically, a locked bootloader takes away from the full benefits of rooting in the first place.
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What I don't fully understand is why HTC would unlock the bootloader for us. Is there some sort of legitimate/developmental reason, beyond obtaining root, for us to demand that they unlock?
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My reply above explains this for the most part. But why would they or should they unlock the bootloader? They stated in a press release that all of their phones would have an unlocked bootloader. Ofcourse, this was shortly before the Evo 3D launched so they were producing the phones for quite some time before they made this decision or as many see it as a promise. So really, they should unlock in order to prevent themselves from losing many loyal customers but also to avoid class action lawsuits for not following through with something people would see as false advertisement. (Class action lawsuits are a whole different story, but we won't go into that)
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I guess the real question is, is locking the bootloader the ultimate block of root, and HTC is capitulating because they only want to make discovering a root exploit difficult, but not impossible, to appease the carriers?
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No, it is not the ultimate block of root but it will take a lot longer for us to obtain root. I am confident that our dev's will find a way eventually to unlock the damn thing, especially if HTC takes forever to unlock it. Think about it... that would be a huge slap in the face to HTC if we obtain root before they give us the update to unlock the bootloader. I think that a big factor in this war is in fact carriers pressuring them to keep the phone locked down because of the things that we can do with root. Sprint want's us to pay for their tethering services, so why would they want us to be able to do it for free with root.
Hope this helps you understand things a little bit better. I think I covered my bases and I am not entirely sure that it is all correct, but to my understanding this is how things work.
Thank you. That does explain the issue quite well . It's not that we cannot get root, but that we cannot write our own recovery image.
I still see it as them finally figuring out a way to block the community, but I am truly amazed that we have become such a power that we can sway HTC to "allow" all our fun.
I would not even think of buying the E3d if we couldn't apply custom roms. Everyone here ROCKS
Does the hardware on the HTC Flyer check the bootloader's digital signature?
Can anyone answer this?
I am bumping this thread again.
Will someone please answer this question?
It comes from the store locked, but you can unlock it by going to
http://www.htcimeiunlock.com/
They will allow an unlock, but you lose your warranty.
quickquest88 said:
It comes from the store locked, but you can unlock it by going to
http://www.htcimeiunlock.com/
They will allow an unlock, but you lose your warranty.
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He means if the boot loader is locked, not the carrier. And also to the OP, do you mean read-write access to the boot loader or something else?
I want to know if the first stage bootloader is signature checked by the HTC Flyer's boot ROM. If it isn't then the locked bootloader problem can be solved by simple overwriting it. And yes, read/write access would be required to overwrite the bootloader.
Master Melab said:
I want to know if the first stage bootloader is signature checked by the HTC Flyer's boot ROM. If it isn't then the locked bootloader problem can be solved by simple overwriting it. And yes, read/write access would be required to overwrite the bootloader.
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Well i would say no. You can't get a custom boot loader to load 2 roms or anything yet. No access at all, read or write.
Master Melab said:
I want to know if the first stage bootloader is signature checked by the HTC Flyer's boot ROM. If it isn't then the locked bootloader problem can be solved by simple overwriting it. And yes, read/write access would be required to overwrite the bootloader.
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No it isn't, it's actually easy to edit a bootloader, it's getting it onto the device that's hard.
I still would like to know if the bootloader itself is signature checked.
well then read my last post.
The only thing your previous post tells me is that accessing the area where the bootloader resides is difficult.
The the "no it isn't" doesn't mean anything?
Sorry. I thought you were talking about simple read/write access.
Master Melab,
PM me is you have specific questions, you can post a summary after that if you want.
I messaged you my questions.
curious about what youre getting at,so subscribing
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I messaged you my questions.
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yep, got it. I'll try to reply this evening.
Thank you.
globatron said:
No it isn't, it's actually easy to edit a bootloader, it's getting it onto the device that's hard.
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if its fairly easy to edit a bootloader, is it not possible to patch the HC hboot to think the radio is s-off(like the revolutinary does),then simply install that hboot in place of the real one,when following the HC install guide?
seems after one roots GB with revolutionary,it should be fairly easy to get an s-off HC hboot for someone who knows how to do such things what am i missing?
Sorry if this is posted before or buried in the mountain of threads, but from what i've read so far, does the root method actually give you S-OFF? I don't want to root it if i wont be able to flash roms. Also, when i plugged in my device the driver updated and its 2.0.7.3. Does that mean i dont need to download the drivers?
tampered just means rooted if you want to unlock your bootloader so you can flash custom roms.click on the link below and it has instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690919
Check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690919
There is no S-Off for this phone as of yet, but I don't think we'll need it. Root is different than S-Off.
S-Off is closer to an Unlocked bootloader, which the post I directed to you does. With this method you'll be able to flash roms using TWRP.
wobbies said:
Sorry if this is posted before or buried in the mountain of threads, but from what i've read so far, does the root method actually give you S-OFF? I don't want to root it if i wont be able to flash roms. Also, when i plugged in my device the driver updated and its 2.0.7.3. Does that mean i dont need to download the drivers?
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Currently there is no S-Off method available for this phone (as of right now). But we've come to find out that we don't need S-Off that much on this phone.
Even with S-On, you can flash roms, mods, tweaks, etc. Hell you can even flash Radios now (which use to be reserved for S-Off).
The current method is HTCDev Unlock. It does mark your bootloader as 'tampered'. But when am I going to actually use a manufacturer warranty or somebody like Sprint is actually going to check the Bootloader. But even that is different from root. You can root, which will give you root access. Then if you want you can unlock the bootloader which will allow you to flash a custom recovery which will allow you to flash Roms, etc.
Edit: I've been ninja'd.
Thank you very much guys
So in order to flash custom ROMs I have to unlock the bootloader (and void the warranty)?
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So in order to flash custom ROMs I have to unlock the bootloader (and void the warranty)?
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yes, but you can make it seem as if you never unlocked by ruu'ing. sprint will never know... if it gets that bad, "somebody stole it."
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yes, but you can make it seem as if you never unlocked by ruu'ing. sprint will never know... if it gets that bad, "somebody stole it."
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Well sprint only gives 30 days warranty anyways so I am actually worried about HTC's warranty. I dont have the insurance through Sprint (which I heard is going to increase to 10 bucks a month).
Is there? i cant find any solution and i tried several tools.
Or way to unlock after OTA to ics without getting back to gingerbread and using revolutionary. And not the official way..
thx
jojkos said:
Is there? i cant find any solution and i tried several tools.
Or way to unlock after OTA to ics without getting back to gingerbread and using revolutionary. And not the official way..
thx
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Are you GSM or CDMA?
I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but if your phone is the CDMA model and you've never unlocked your bootloader you can get S-OFF and then root without unlocking the bootloader using the Revolutionary method in closeone's thread in the stickies of the CDMA development forum. Some people have even gotten it to work with the Sprint ICS (2.89.651.2) build installed, but it requires "bricking" the phone twice.
OTOH, the JuopunutBear S-OFF method resets the bootloader status from "unlocked" to "locked" so there is no indication on the phone that you ever did the HTC unlock, and that works for both GSM and CDMA.
It sounds like you've already done some homework so you must have a specific reason for wanting to do it another way?
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
Are you GSM or CDMA?
I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but if your phone is the CDMA model and you've never unlocked your bootloader you can get S-OFF and then root without unlocking the bootloader using the Revolutionary method in closeone's thread in the stickies of the CDMA development forum. Some people have even gotten it to work with the Sprint ICS (2.89.651.2) build installed, but it requires "bricking" the phone twice.
OTOH, the JuopunutBear S-OFF method resets the bootloader status from "unlocked" to "locked" so there is no indication on the phone that you ever did the HTC unlock, and that works for both GSM and CDMA.
It sounds like you've already done some homework so you must have a specific reason for wanting to do it another way?
ramjet73
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i forgot to mention, my bad. I have GSM. I didnt want to loose warranty because of the official method, but if you say that there is a way to revert it (i thought they would keep record of me unlocking phone but i dont really know), then it would be ok to unlock it that way. Also i wanted to know if ther is easy and fast way to make root/temp root so i could only do a backup.
jojkos said:
i forgot to mention, my bad. I have GSM. I didnt want to loose warranty because of the official method, but if you say that there is a way to revert it (i thought they would keep record of me unlocking phone but i dont really know), then it would be ok to unlock it that way. Also i wanted to know if ther is easy and fast way to make root/temp root so i could only do a backup.
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If you htcdev unlock, HTC will know that you requested a token, but not whether you actually unlocked or not. I'm not sure how they handle that for the purpose of warranty claims, but maybe someone else here has experience with that.
Regarding temp root, it's possible, but not on the the ICS releases since HTC has patched the vulnerablility used for the "tacoroot" method. I've also heard that the phone is very unstable while temp rooted and sometime won't boot. You might be better off using a tool like MyBackup Pro that doesn't require root and has a 30 day trial with full functionality.
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
If you htcdev unlock, HTC will know that you requested a token, but not whether you actually unlocked or not. I'm not sure how they handle that for the purpose of warranty claims, but maybe someone else here has experience with that.
Regarding temp root, it's possible, but not on the the ICS releases since HTC has patched the vulnerablility used for the "tacoroot" method. I've also heard that the phone is very unstable while temp rooted and sometime won't boot. You might be better off using a tool like MyBackup Pro that doesn't require root and has a 30 day trial with full functionality.
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well thank you very much for all your help i think ill try htcdev unlock method
Hello, so I've been trying for a while to unlock my bootloader and at this point I'm quite confused. For whatever reason the power button + volume down combo nation does not load my phone into the bootloader from the off state. Instead it boots my phone regularly. This itself is is not a problem because I can boot it into the bootloader using adb. But inside the bootloader I can move up and down using the list but can't use my power button to select anything. I've also tried booting into recovery and the volume and the power button to choose works fine. I'm just confused at this point and a little frustrated because all I would like to do is install paranoid android, and have not had any problems with past devices. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you.
That is some strange behavior, I agree.
Its been a long while since I unlocked the bootloader, so I don't completely remember what is required. I assume you need to use the vol and/or power buttons to select to unlock; and that is your main problem?
If so, that is a tough one. One thought is to RUU to stock, to eliminate the possibility of some software glitch causing your problem.
Otherwise, plan B is to use sunshine to s-off, than unlock the bootloader. Not sure if that would work, and its an expensive experiment to try ($25). But if it does work, s-off is a nice thing to have. Not expressly needed to flash ROMs, of course. But s-off does allow some other nice tricks, like being able to flash radios, modified hboots, change CID/MID, and removed the requirement to relock the bootloader to RUU.
redpoint73 said:
That is some strange behavior, I agree.
Its been a long while since I unlocked the bootloader, so I don't completely remember what is required. I assume you need to use the vol and/or power buttons to select to unlock; and that is your main problem?
If so, that is a tough one. One thought is to RUU to stock, to eliminate the possibility of some software glitch causing your problem.
Otherwise, plan B is to use sunshine to s-off, than unlock the bootloader. Not sure if that would work, and its an expensive experiment to try ($25). But if it does work, s-off is a nice thing to have. Not expressly needed to flash ROMs, of course. But s-off does allow some other nice tricks, like being able to flash radios, modified hboots, change CID/MID, and removed the requirement to relock the bootloader to RUU.
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I think I've seen RUU before but for whatever reason I couldn't find it for my phone. Would it make any difference that the phone is AT&T, because from what I've seen people who have the AT&T smartphone tend to run into problems, just not mine.
EDIT: I just took a look at sunshine and am confused, is it an android app that does the s-off? Sorry for what I assume are common knowledge. Looking at sunshine, running 5.1.1 it looks like I need to have to bootloader unlocked to root the phone.
Jkaspar said:
I think I've seen RUU before but for whatever reason I couldn't find it for my phone.
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All AT&T RUUs are linked on my Index thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751432
Be aware that you can only run the RUU version same or higher than what is on the phone (no "downgrading" unless you have s-off).
Jkaspar said:
Would it make any difference that the phone is AT&T, because from what I've seen people who have the AT&T smartphone tend to run into problems, just not mine.
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There isn't any reason why ATT would be any harder to bootloader unlock than any other version M8, if that is what you mean.
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EDIT: I just took a look at sunshine and am confused, is it an android app that does the s-off? Sorry for what I assume are common knowledge. Looking at sunshine, running 5.1.1 it looks like I need to have to bootloader unlocked to root the phone.
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Yes, sunshine is an app that will s-off the phone, and then also has the option to unlock the bootloader without HTCDev.com (which is fairly trivial once s-off, think it can also by done via adb commands).
Latest Android version for the ATT M8 is 5.0 (.1 or .2, I can't remember exactly).
I'm not sure which versions will work with sunshine without prior root. But you can always install the sunshine app, and it will tell you whether it can s-off or not (and you won't be charged any $ unless it can s-off).
If you do need root before sunshine, some folks have had luck with towelroot (might be temp root, I can't recall). But yes, it complicates what is already just an idea, and not a sure fix by any means.
Sunshine from what I just tried requires root to be installed for the current android I am on. I also just tried using towelroot and it said that my phone was not supported. I am currently in school but I will try the RUU when I get a chance.
Okay so I did the RUU and it worked fine. Booted into the boot loader and nada. Still no luck with the power button. Choosing in recovery still works however. Is there a way to do it purely using adb commands?
You have to unlock with fastboot commands
Like to the screen where it gives me an option to either unlock the bootloader or not? I can get there fine, I just can't choose the yes I want to unlock option.
Jkaspar said:
Like to the screen where it gives me an option to either unlock the bootloader or not? I can get there fine, I just can't choose the yes I want to unlock option.
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No, that requires button response from the phone
Right which is my main problem