Hey,
I need some help. I was wondering how to go about loading android on embedded devices. I need to load android into a watch-like device. Can u please help me out?
Whose watch is it? Texas Instruments? I doubt that their device can run Android. It has lots of sensors, but very little storage or memory.
If not, what are the specs on the watch? CPU? RAM? NAND flash? Battery capacity? Do you have Linux device drivers already? Can you write them if not? Are you a Linux expert or better?
I recommend a book: "Making Things Talk - 2nd Edition" by O'Reilly Media.
cheekrox said:
Hey,
I need some help. I was wondering how to go about loading android on embedded devices. I need to load android into a watch-like device. Can u please help me out?
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Motorola gave you the perfect platform, just pick one of these up and root it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuHFfsuGyR8&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
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joshw0000 said:
Motorola gave you the perfect platform, just pick one of these up and root it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuHFfsuGyR8&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
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I've never even looked at those. It looks like electric candy!
Have you used one of these? Is it as WOW! as moto represents it?
I think my wife needs one of these so I can see whether I can glue an Intel-1000 a/b/g/n wifi card to the back of the case.
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I've never even looked at those. It looks like electric candy!
Have you used one of these? Is it as WOW! as moto represents it?
I think my wife needs one of these so I can see whether I can glue an Intel-1000 a/b/g/n wifi card to the back of the case.
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I've never used one but it's certainly on my wish list. What's the wifi card for? It supports wifi out of the box.
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Ohhhh... WiFi wasn't listed in the only sales blurb I read. Sales Blurb FAIL.
WANT!
Giblet535 said:
Ohhhh... WiFi wasn't listed in the only sales blurb I read. Sales Blurb FAIL.
WANT!
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Looks like you can grab one BNIB on ebay for about $200. Let me know if you get one. I've been debating it for some time now.
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Sony do an android smartwatch even cheaper
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Sony has a history of abandoning products once they ship, and their software, at its best, is pretty bad.
The SmartWatch is cheap and promises much...but it has that brand name.
Nono!!!! I need to make this watch from scratch. So yeah, please tell me how 2 go about it. Do i need to write the drivers myself? How do I go about embedding Android into it? Its not a TI SoC, its just a generec 500MHz ARM processor. RAM may be about 256MB. My watch has a lot of sensors too, how do I get this to [email protected]!!!!
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Nono!!!! I need to make this watch from scratch. So yeah, please tell me how 2 go about it. Do i need to write the drivers myself? How do I go about embedding Android into it? Its not a TI SoC, its just a generec 500MHz ARM processor. RAM may be about 256MB. My watch has a lot of sensors too, how do I get this to [email protected]!!!!
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Yes, you'll have to write the drivers or, depending on what chips you intend to use, there may already be some drivers, or portions of drivers, available from the linux.org sources.
I'd get that O'Reilly book too.
You may want to discuss this on the Hack-a-Day forums, since those guys tend to focus on the low-level side of hardware/software integration, very small-scale electronics, and the problems that can arise from micro-miniaturization on the scale you're considering.
Giblet535 said:
Yes, you'll have to write the drivers or, depending on what chips you intend to use, there may already be some drivers, or portions of drivers, available from the linux.org sources.
I'd get that O'Reilly book too.
You may want to discuss this on the Hack-a-Day forums, since those guys tend to focus on the low-level side of hardware/software integration, very small-scale electronics, and the problems that can arise from micro-miniaturization on the scale you're considering.
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It generally takes teams of developers to port Android to new devices and in most cases, it's buggy on initial release. I'd be very interested to see this if you're able to do it. I think your best bet would be to find a device with similar specs that's already running Android and port it over.
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SO ur saying it IS possible to get Android up n running on small devices? Coz I'm kinda in a hurry and need my prototype to be ready within a month. Approximately, how long would it take to get this up and running?
cheekrox said:
SO ur saying it IS possible to get Android up n running on small devices? Coz I'm kinda in a hurry and need my prototype to be ready within a month. Approximately, how long would it take to get this up and running?
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How many C programmers do you have available who have workable experience with Linux device drivers AND Android architecture?
Proof of concept in one month? You'll need a team of five seasoned C programmers, I'd think, but they'll need to be really good at it.
If you don't have a team yet, check Dice.com, Hack-A-Day, StackOverflow.com, the piece-work sites, etc.
PS: Explain that you need to do a demo of all features/functions on a prototype Android watch in 30 days. List the chips/sets used in the design (you can't waste time waiting for half the team to learn about the hardware).
I mean no offense, but the OS/software development should have coincided with the HW design/dev work, and been included in the original business plans or project plans. Live and learn, right?
I'd help out but I'm full-up for the next six months.
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I recently posted a thread on how I can start programming geared towards the mobile platforms.
I would like to develop apps for more than one mobile platform. However I just have access to an Android device (SE Xperia X10), iPhone 4, and an iPad 2.
Smartphones are not like candies, that you can go pickup at a cheap store.
I mean how and where can I and other people who want to develop apps for specific platforms get free phones for testing and using the apps we develop?
The emulator that is included with the SDKs are not always the best way to test.
Any suggestions? All help is appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that recently Windows Phone called over WebOS developers to develop applications on the WP platform, and Windows gave the developers free devices. But there are not many WebOS devs out there..
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Smokeey said:
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Thanks a lot, bumping for more suggestions.
Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Well, I guess it would depend on if your app is in high demand or not, would be the deciding factor in whether people are willing to donate to you.
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Why don't you try writing X company and ask them. Its not uncommon for them to do this, but im sure they aren't giving out phones to anybody. Why don't you get some credentials under your belt before asking though. Its like asking a company to buy and sponsor an f1 car for you but you don't even know how to put air in the tires on a go cart.
I voided my warranty.
Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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Thanks Everyone for your suggestions. I really appreciate it.
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Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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I just have one Android phone and its not working. Thanks though.
The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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Yes I guess I will have to use emulators for now. Thanks a lot man.
Just for the record. HP has currently stopped the loaning of developer phones.
I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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I wish we could get a link. Who wouldn't want a free development device?
i think most of the posters in this thread just want a free device. and keep adding the adjective "development" in front of it like it's cool or something.
Try some developer contests. Microsoft still has some offering Windows Phone as prizes.
This is a 3-year-old thread
Pushing this up since I'm a student and the prices for high-end devices now are quite high. I would like to develop for the community, but the bottleneck is that I can only stick to my poor abused Nexus 4
There's lots of devices out there, tablets, wearables, but I don't have the budget to buy them and use for testing, especially that new techs come out so often and upgrading to to-date devices is quite costly.
What do you guys think? Any success story here?
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Devs: Anyone have the same feeling that Samsung devices are most troublesome (kindof)? Always getting complaints from Samsung users...
I just went the tried and true (yet probably the hardest) way and attempted to contact manufacturers directly. Still trying to work with several. Hopefully things work out.
Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
PUSH
+1 COME ON GUYS :laugh:
No f****** way... I'd certainly donate to a dev that could do that.
Intelmaster90 said:
Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
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I don't think so. This has been discussed in many topics. And in no way belongs in development and should be in general. Basically the answer is no, because Win 8 is going to require an encrypted bootloader built on specific devices. Porting most likely isn't going to happen.
OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
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OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
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boo f'in hoo.
(thank tha godz ur here to monitor progressssss.)
excuse someone for being happy about something possibly TFP related
(that has a life outside of their Droid).
nothing EVAR gets hacked when it comes to Droid or Prime
(that's why this forum doesn't really exist.....
and why JB won't ever come to the ATP).
amiright?!*#@!?
You aren't going to be able to acquire installable images of Windows 8 RT unless you are an OEM. August 15 is the Technet subs release.
And you sure as heck ain't going to be able to dd the bootloader off for the same reasons you can't now.
Not to mention the god awful hacks needed to get it to run on a device with less than min screen res, and obvious legal issues.
As for that linked driver release. It looks like ye olde nvidia unified driver architecture. It even includes the profiles for games that aren't even on the ARM platform. Not entirely sure why there is Tegra 2 support in there though.
Well, with the "so-called" security crap MS put into Windows regarding bootloaders... as @HydroSkillet said, unless someone manages to get a manufacturer signed, MS approved encrypted bootloader, changes are probably too slim to be considered...
One thing I learned here at xda is never accept the fact that a rom/port/app won't get created for our devices. We are blessed with outstanding devs.
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Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
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Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
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EVEN if the port is technically feasible the legality of the port is at best sketchy and plainly put illegal. I hope after drinking the Android coolaid, you guys still remember that Windows is a proprietary OS. And on that grounds alone, I can bet that there is a snowball's chance in hell that that stuff will ever surface on XDA OR Rootzwiki.
In that light, there may be a popsicle's chance in hell that MS may do something to allow people to purchase a license and crap like that. Then may be if MS and the android devs or Asus can figure out a compromise and come up with a way to install it on the device with legally acquired software and a license then yes... But if you are SERIOUSLY expecting a port like an ICS/JB ROM, then I laugh at u! :laugh: LOL! It is M$ man! And u are asking for software piracy on XDA! lemme go and get a good laugh today! I needed it
End of Story. Good night!
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Pretty much a long shot. [Side note: I don't claim closed source is in any way less ethical or demeaning or whatever than open source... It is another valid software development model and I kinda hate some type of FOSS enthusiasts who just plain trash Windows from their high horse...] Anyway, Bill Gates doesn't really run the company no more! He is busy doing activism and philanthropic pursuits (he is a very nice guy actually.. But I must say, not the best orator)...
What were we talking about? Oh yeah. Windows 8 on our Tablet.. I think for the benefit of all, I suppose it is best for a proper dev to step in and just say why this can never happen, so that we don't see people asking this again and again only to be utterly disappointed by the reality.
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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So you want them to open source software that they spent millions developing and are currently charging people to buy?
Do you live in some strange world where Microsoft actually does nice things?
If you want iOS , buy an iPad.
If you want W8, buy Surface.
There are ports of Win Mobile to other phones but I don't think it will happen with W8. It's called frontal perseveration, a neurological trouble that makes you repeat the same behavior even if it's inappopriate or aimless.
Widows phones are a failure, but instead of changing things they will go on further and harder by closing more and more, with more sophisticated protections/activation procedures and so on.
This thread is nonsense.
tedr44 said:
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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yea, while at it why not write to One Infinite Loop in Cupertino as well?
don't know if to LOL or CRY when reading posts like this
Look good news, hope is going be true and full compatibily :good:
Dnakaman said:
Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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The existence of Linux has very little to do with Windows being closed source.
The popularity of Linux however, does to some small extent.
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Dave
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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Gnu/Linux exists for several reasons. Gnu is a materialization of Stallman's wish to have an open source OS, Linux is only the kernel part. It was historically a way to compile and use UNIX programs on PC computers.
It's true that it's a reaction to the world of Apple, windows, Sun (UNIX). But not specifically against Windows.
What is the most sad is that Apples took a UNIX bsd base, and made a now closed OS than Redmond's firm...
Hello all!
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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JasW said:
This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
brees75 said:
No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
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A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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CWalkop said:
I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good:
I've been trying to find some information on getting the TrueSmart connected to my S4. I've found references to something called Osmart, and downloading additional apps from the play store, however to my knowledge Osmart does not exist and I have not been able to find any other info. Does anyone know what the status of this functionality is? Is this still being developed? is there a working solution?
Go to Omate dev on google Plus kurt is makeing the app and you have to belong to the beta group to get the app from the play store. Hope this helps.
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I've been trying to find some information on getting the TrueSmart connected to my S4. I've found references to something called Osmart, and downloading additional apps from the play store, however to my knowledge Osmart does not exist and I have not been able to find any other info. Does anyone know what the status of this functionality is? Is this still being developed? is there a working solution?
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Both apps are BETA releases right now so not all features work.
If you want to use it as a companion device you need OSmart Master (on your phone) and OSmart Companion (on your watch).
To get access to the OSmart Master app you need to join the Omate TrueSmart Developers G+ community and then sign up as a tester for the OSmart Master app
To get the companion app you need to download and install it from the OStore
I cannot find osmart in the ostore. Is there a more recent version of the ostore I need to get?
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I cannot find osmart in the ostore. Is there a more recent version of the ostore I need to get?
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It is currently being updated.
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It is currently being updated.
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Anyone know when the Osmart app will return?
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It is currently being updated.
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Unfortunately, Kurt been trying to get his updated version into OStore for the last 2 months without any luck. I got his latest copy before X-mas (he emailed it to me). As far as I can tell there are still issues, and I wasn't able to get it to work reliably with my Note 2. Some notifications get displayed, others don't, and often I had to reboot TrueSmart to restart the app to continue working. It's a bit disappointing but you have to keep in mind that Kurt is doing this in his spare time out of the goodness of his heart. Omate original intention for TrueSmart is to have standalone watch used with SIM or wi-fi, not bleutooth tethered like Pebble or MetaWatch.
Now with a larger worldwide deployment of TrueSmart, they will be more focused on support of main TS functionality rather than "bonus" bt tethering, I'm afraid...
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Unfortunately, Kurt been trying to get his updated version into OStore for the last 2 months without any luck. I got his latest copy before X-mas (he emailed it to me). As far as I can tell there are still issues, and I wasn't able to get it to work reliably with my Note 2. Some notifications get displayed, others don't, and often I had to reboot TrueSmart to restart the app to continue working. It's a bit disappointing but you have to keep in mind that Kurt is doing this in his spare time out of the goodness of his heart. Omate original intention for TrueSmart is to have standalone watch used with SIM or wi-fi, not bleutooth tethered like Pebble or MetaWatch.
Now with a larger worldwide deployment of TrueSmart, they will be more focused on support of main TS functionality rather than "bonus" bt tethering, I'm afraid...
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I just find it all extremely disappointing. Kurt should NOT have to develop this on his own in his spare time. Omates backers deserve better. I backed this campaign not only because of its independent functionality but because of the promise Omate made that this watch will work as a companion. It's there in black and white and color for all to see, in fact it's the first thing you see when you view the kickstarter page:
Omate® TrueSmart™ truly standalone water-resistant smartwatch, works independently from and with all smartphones. 3G, Voice & Gestures!
I'm not sure what you're source for this information is, but I truly hope you are mistaken otherwise the list of broken promises grows as this was never considered a bonus feature by us backers.
Would like to point out a couple things;
Work with far more devices than the Gear. (when you can find the app)
Is one of a very few Android based smartwatches that supports a companion mode. The AW-420 and other x201 don't even offer this as a possiblity.
Is the only watchphone that I know of that even supports a companion mode (a there are a ton of these around).
Kurt is an employee of Omate.
And this is all with BETA apps on a BETA device that has not even reached the retail market yet.
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I just find it all extremely disappointing. Kurt should NOT have to develop this on his own in his spare time. Omates backers deserve better. I backed this campaign not only because of its independent functionality but because of the promise Omate made that this watch will work as a companion. It's there in black and white and color for all to see, in fact it's the first thing you see when you view the kickstarter page:
Omate® TrueSmart™ truly standalone water-resistant smartwatch, works independently from and with all smartphones. 3G, Voice & Gestures!
I'm not sure what you're source for this information is, but I truly hope you are mistaken otherwise the list of broken promises grows as this was never considered a bonus feature by us backers.
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Kurt is contracted to make these apps.
Good luck getting any non-Samsung phone to work well with the Gear.
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Kurt is contracted to make these apps.
Good luck getting any non-Samsung phone to work well with the Gear.
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Contract or not this was a core feature for many backers, Nobody should be developing this app in their spare time.
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What part about contract work are you unfamiliar with?
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Since my last communication with Kurt was before x-mas and my info about Omate priority of TS being standalone device came from video interview given by Laurent to Smartwatchfan website during CES, obviously my info is not up to date, so I would listen to Kuronosan update as an official confirmation.
You fund the development of a product and join a developers forum and then complain about a lack of final run features.
If you want a final product, go to Best Buy. If you want to be on the bleeding edge, Kickstarter and XDA-Developers are your friends.
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You fund the development of a product and join a developers forum and then complain about a lack of final run features.
If you want a final product, go to Best Buy. If you want to be on the bleeding edge, Kickstarter and XDA-Developers are your friends.
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Spare me that old song and dance. I think that lone has been plagiarized enough. Perhaps if you bothered to read my posts you would understand. I have no issues with the availability of these features at launch. I do, however have issue when a company that raised over a million dollars hires one guy to develop a core feature in his spare time. I also have issues when SD cards and spare batteries are sent separate from a device with a note basically saying if you install them you will void your warranty. Perhaps in backward world this makes sense, but not in this one.
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What part about contract work are you unfamiliar with?
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I'm well famiar with contract work, that doesn't mean that I agree with how omate is handling the development of this core feature.
By your logic simply because I understand what the NSA is doing I should agree with it.
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So a BETA device that is not even been released to retail has no relevance? I am on xda right?
I agree with Loki; hw is finalized and the SW is still in beta testing. That is a whole idea of KS/IGG project deadline to get hw in the hands of backers. SW can be updated with yet another patch, hw fixes are much harder to handle. BUT, at the same time I'm happy to see current TS owners voicing their opinion about importance of Companion app. For a lot of us, a basic smartwatch principle has been defined by Pebble/Metawatch notification model. TS is a fantastic standalone device, especially if you are not on Verizon (lol!!!). But for a lot of other people who find their Pebble/Metawatch to be limited, myself included, we are looking for TS to be a super smartwatch to take us there.
As long as Omate guys are not dropping a ball on bt tethering (for notification purposes), we need to wait until they prioritize their work to get there. And if we still talking about this 6 months from now, then you have all the rights to get pissed
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I'm well famiar with contract work, that doesn't mean that I agree with how omate is handling the development of this core feature.
By your logic simply because I understand what the NSA is doing I should agree with it.
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Your logic is terrible, and so are you.
Just leave. Please. Everyone here is already tired of your bad inferences and faulty logic.
Go complain on the Cyanogen or OMNI topics about how "X feature isn't implemented wtf" and see how quickly you're laughed out of the topic. You clearly have no clue how development works.
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Your logic is terrible, and so are you.
Just leave. Please. Everyone here is already tired of your bad inferences and faulty logic.
Go complain on the Cyanogen or OMNI topics about how "X feature isn't implemented wtf" and see how quickly you're laughed out of the topic. You clearly have no clue how development works.
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This is my thread, I'm not going anywhere. You clearly can't handle what I have to say for whatever reason. It's like having a conversation with a 5 year old. You run out of things to say so you resort to name calling and saying go away.
For the mature people here, I'm not going to debate whether this device should be considered a beta device or not, or whether the fact that it's a kickstarter automatically renders it so. I will, however state that I have read every bit of information available on the truesmart and at no point does it state that this is a beta watch. Some of you might argue that it's a given considering it's a kickstarter. Well then, at what point is a kickstarter device deemed ready to release? At hardwares completion? Once an os is installed? Perhaps once the device meets all its advertised specifications? None of the above? We could debate this for days. However, this thread has gotten so far off topic at this point, I'll leave it at that.
Hi everyone,
This is a post to existing ROM developers. A childhood dream of mine has always been to create a technology that makes any type of connected device intelligent in a general way. This is a goal that is now real in version 1.0 and is currently being integrated into an automation app.
You can see a CONCEPT video here (though, because Engadget never talked to me, the entire article is based on assumptions from the author. There is an awesome data privacy/control model in place and the tech doesn't "think" for you lol):
Doesn't look like I'm senior enough to post a link. So Google "Kimera Systems Engagdet" and the video will be the first result
And a recent tech meetup presentation with quick demo here (what tech can do today and how it is expected to evolve in 2014):
In the ideal world this type of AI is integrated deeper into the ROM to enable a real device experience rather than an app experience. And that's the point of this post. At some point we'll open up the framework (a API to a user's "personal cloud" - Because each user owns their own data and can host their cloud anywhere they want, each users API will have its own endpoint url) for anyone who wishes to integrate AI into their ROM, launcher, or app. But today we're too early for a general release and instead looking to partner with an existing developer who can see the long term potential.
If you're a ROM developer and interested in at least learning more, PM me and we can have an initial chat.
PS. Has to be for a Sprint Samsung Note 3 ROM. Why? I have that device and obviously for me to support you on development .... well, it would be ideal for me being able to run your ROM And also, since Note 3 is by far the absolute best device out there, I'm curious how you can innovate the user experience with this technology to something even better few people can imagine.
This sounds really interesting. I would like some more info if possible, unfortunately just that since I don't have an N3 (Sprint S3 instead).
And here's the link for others: http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/13/kimera-systems-wants-your-smartphone-to-think-for-you/
I thought google was working on this and it was named project "Majel", which is a reference to Majel Barrett of Star Trek fame for anybody in the know
Interesting!
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Mind blowing, every time when I see something like this happening with technology I wonder that most of the things we saw in Si-Fi movies are about to come real. it's started, messing up with AI has started at right time and we are very fortunate to see something incredible in upcoming years.
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Mind blowing, every time when I see something like this happening with technology I wonder that most of the things we saw in Si-Fi movies are about to come real. it's started, messing up with AI has started at right time and we are very fortunate to see something incredible in upcoming years.
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Yeah, like Skynet and T1000 Military robots/drones. It will be awesome to be oppressed by our governments with AI! I cannot wait!
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Yeah, like Skynet and T1000 Military robots/drones. It will be awesome to be oppressed by our governments with AI! I cannot wait!
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Man, such enthusiasm.
I swear if my phone starts calling itself sonny I will do what I have to with nanites......
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CNexus said:
This sounds really interesting. I would like some more info if possible, unfortunately just that since I don't have an N3 (Sprint S3 instead).
And here's the link for others:
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In short (okay, maybe not short) we built the technology to focus on
Allowing any connected device to understand the world the same way you do. That means "human-like intelligence' (and I believe we're the first one to have cracked that nut) and the ability for your devices to mimic your personality.
Complete data privacy. I hate the idea that 3rd party companies own and control your data and literally turning you into a product they can sell to advertisers. So we've implemented a "personal cloud" solution. The idea is that instead of all your Android devices connected to Google server farm, or Facebook server farm when starting your FB app, or Apple server farm for iOS etc....I want us to get to a point where all your devices connect to your personal cloud and that you can host your cloud anywhere you want so that you have full control over it. This means no one, including my startup, will ever get into a position to controlling the intelligence or data on the global network. Or in other words, no NSA and no Skynet.
This is the most important part: Devices need to understand "WHY?". Why are you doing this or that? etc. Anyone who can answer the question why exhibits real human intelligence. That is the main point of this AI.
From a practical standpoint, the AI really interconnects these personal clouds in specific ways so that they can "produce" intelligence. The result is an "intelligence briefing" that is sent to the device allowing the device to understand what is going on and why and provide information where the device can find apps, services, content so that device can automatically connect to the app. (no app stores or social networks or commerce platforms, just direct from user to service/product/app provider).
Kind went into the technical details here, but hopefully it answered your question
And thank you for posting the link
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Yeah, like Skynet and T1000 Military robots/drones. It will be awesome to be oppressed by our governments with AI! I cannot wait!
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We designed it specifically to prevent government and hackers to invade your privacy. No Skynet!
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In short (okay, maybe not short) we built the technology to focus on
..."human-like intelligence'' and the ability for your devices to mimic your personality...
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I guess the real money in the future is to develop "psychiatric therapy centers" for electronic devices AI. if is going to be "human-like intelligence''... LOL now you're one step ahead of the curve.
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I guess the real money in the future is to develop "psychiatric therapy centers" for electronic devices AI. if is going to be "human-like intelligence''... LOL now you're one step ahead of the curve.
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In that case you also need jail cells for devices who decide to break the law
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In that case you also need jail cells for devices who decide to break the law
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You see now the idea is getting some shape!
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In that case you also need jail cells for devices who decide to break the law
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LOL! If it is being designed by a man you better believe that! The ultimate punishment will be having the device deactivated and being forced to run the Palm OS for the rest of its life.
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LOL! If it is being designed by a man you better believe that! The ultimate punishment will be having the device deactivated and being forced to run the Palm OS for the rest of its life.
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Haha, or BlackBerry OS
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Haha, or BlackBerry OS
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Yeah both of those OSs will make a phone feel retarded. It will be the equivalent of having a stroke for a cell phone.
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Yeah both of those OSs will make a phone feel retarded. It will be the equivalent of having a stroke for a cell phone.
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Forgot Apple iOS lol, if it was forced to run iOS it might start uninstalling itself and cause your device to brick to prevent it from having to deal w/ the OS........software seppuku lol
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Forgot Apple iOS lol, if it was forced to run iOS it might start uninstalling itself and cause your device to brick to prevent it from having to deal w/ the OS........software seppuku lol
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Having to run the IOS will be for misdemeanors and the Palm OS would be for life sentences. The blackberry OS is for everything in between.
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Having to run the IOS will be for misdemeanors and the Palm OS would be for life sentences. The blackberry OS is for everything in between.
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I had used the palm treo for a while. It was cool for one of the first "operating system based phones", but maybe going back, since after not using it for so long, I would probably have to concur lol. I need to pick one up and play with it again.
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I had used the palm treo for a while. It was cool for one of the first "operating system based phones", but maybe going back, since after not using it for so long, I would probably have to concur lol. I need to pick one up and play with it again.
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The Palm OS was my favorite back in the days but times change and we have to adapt and keep with the times. Palm OS was good for it's time. The funny thing is Android approached Palm first to throw their OS in their phone but Palm told android to F-off. That decision F-ed Palm and now they are no longer making smartphones.
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