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Hi all,
First of all, I'm amazed and gobsmacked at how much work all the devs put into their respective ROM's, it's amazing the effort and hard work ppl put in. Passion is alive and well on XDA
Now, to business. I have my Galaxy SII, a Galaxy S, and an Acer Iconia A500. I've flashed them all with their respective ICS. I would think (and hope) that probably out of all of them, the SII has the biggest dev base and most power. The ICS ROMs for the A500 and S are almost perfect. They run completely vanilla with no or almost no bloat, they look and behave the same (icons for network activity inside the bars for example, contacts app looks the same) and have had no hiccups whatsoever.
Come the SII, the only ROMs I've seen are cooked from Samsung sources with their phone and contacts apps, they crash and reboot and if it weren't that I have gone past the point of no return in regard to effort I'd have gone back to Gingerbread days ago.
Is anyone out there developing a completely vanilla "Google" rom that isn't themed to look like ICS, but actually uses the ICS apps etc. I can't understand how the Iconia and SI can have this while the SII seemingly doesn't.
Can anyone open my eyes on this? I'd love to get something as stable onto my SII as I have with my other devices, ICS is brilliant to use on them...and barely bearable on my beloved SII.
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Ummmm correct me if I am wrong but that's exactly what the CM team are trying yo to do....
And you can already download and install that, so long as you are happy with the bugs at present.
Unless you meant something else???
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You miss reading the cm9 thread. Check it out....its still alpha.
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I'm more curious about the fact I would have thought the SII having a bigger user and dev base...certainly more than the A500 I thought it would have the most stable and mature code base - yet it seems the opposite is true.
I've been running 4.0.3 on my SI for weeks now and its never bugged out. Installed the A500...and Oh wow its like a brand new tablet!! I wonder is it because of Exynos or some other reason we can't have the same stability and performance right now.
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Your ignorance and disrespect is pretty bad (even if you don't mean it). I think you should do some reading for a while and get yourself acquainted with what's involved.
I didn't ask this to be dissed by someone...I'm sure even you would agree the development cycle and challenges for all three devices would be similar given they all use different processors. So is it easier to compile for the A8 and Tegra than the A9?
I have been looking and downloading a number of ROMs...and if someone has created a ROM in a similar vein to Thor's on the A500 and Onecosmic's on the SI, well I'd be grateful for the heads up...in fact I'm just about to download and test the Pure ROM I just spied over in dev...so see how that goes. Still I'd be happy for someones *constructive* input.
Of course I'm claiming ignorance...if I knew I wouldn't ask...geez lol
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It's a wonder no one bothers doing a straight AOSP compile for any device, really. CyanogenMod comes the closest. There are a few people who played with doing a straight AOSP, but they base it off CM's work and strip out the extras.
When I wanted the AOSP experience with Gapps, I installed CM7 on my SGS and installed the stock Gingerbread launcher. It was the closest I got.
Trebuchet is basically the stock ICS launcher with features added, so it won't be so bad. You can also replace it with the stock launcher as well.
Try Airbus 360s ics rom that's aosp and is fantastic he should be releasing beta 2 tonight.
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haha I bet that confused ya
You're question is a bit noob so don't expect much answers.
Here is a short one to sum it for you:
AOSP - Pure android base without modification.
CM - almost pure with modifications.
STOCK - Hardware Manufacturer (eg. Samsung's) "official originated" release.
Stock - can have it all. CAUSE - Samsung has sources and support/docs for ALL hardware API of the device.
CM/STOCK - While there are some changes BOTH use the same origin.
To sum it, for proper functionality BOTH use SAME kernel/libs base.
So if some hardware functionality broken in one it'll be broken in other =
If CM9 haz no h/w decoding === APPLIES for AOSP.
Another thing to keep in mind, CM9 currently is in the process of adding CM features so current builds are very close to AOSP with functionality.
SUM IT UP:
if (CM9 != working) AOSP.isNotWorking()!
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if (CM9 != working) AOSP.isNotWorking()!
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That's a piece of horrible code, dude
I apologize in advance for being a noob and asking a very very silly question. I'm new to the Android platform and want to learn.
Here we go. I'm impressed by the UI of Stock Android that can be seen on Nexus devices (Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, they look and work so cool). No lagging, no fancy TouchWiz or anything. But Samsung Galaxy S2 has this touchwiz thingy. I recently got to know that the UI that I love (stock Android) is a part of CM10 (I mean, CM10 looks very much like it, and has added functionality compared to stock Android), and it can be installed on the Galaxy S2. Now there are a few things:
If I get an S2 and install CM10 on it,
- Will it be free of major bugs (there are a few bugs in every OS). But will it perform like the OS on those Nexus devices?
- Would it be a better decision, compared to getting a Nexus device (I don't want the Nexus 4 for some reason, and Galaxy Nexus, well, has slightly low-end hardware).
- Also, I was preferring a Nexus device only for the stock Android look and experience, but if I can get that on a rather flagship phone, why go for a Nexus?
I'll ask more questions once you fine folks post some replies. Please help me out... Thanks, help will be appreciated in non-Androidish terms (though I'm technically sound in all aspects, but i'm a noob when it comes to Android).
Thanks in advance
if you want bug free stock android buy a nexus *period*
gs 2 will have issues with future android updates sadly we havnt got butter on cm10 even after about 6 months of development
bluefa1con said:
if you want bug free stock android buy a nexus *period*
gs 2 will have issues with future android updates sadly we havnt got butter on cm10 even after about 6 months of development
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Thanks! What about other Custom ROMs? Are there any ones out there (apart from CM10) which look, feel, and work like Stock Android?
(not worth asking, but preferably with less bugs?)
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Thanks! What about other Custom ROMs? Are there any ones out there (apart from CM10) which look, feel, and work like Stock Android?
(not worth asking, but preferably with less bugs?)
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Bro in all honesty, CM10 is actually pretty good for this device and you probably wont really notice much of the bugs (ok there are some annoying niggly issues with the audio but definitely not a deal breaker or anything major, you might not even notice it) and it is a good alternative to AOSP (nexus roms). Yes project butter does not work but the ROM is still damn fast considering that its not implemented "yet".
Another good Nexus type ROM is AOKP, for me this is the better ROM because it has some damn fine swagger, and you will see what I mean if you install it. It is based of CM10 sources so very similar but still unique. Personally bro I would only stick with these two as they are very good quality ROM's, unfortunately as mentioned before, we are stuck with incomplete sources due to Samsung withholding them so we wont have fully stable ROM's until this is released.
My sincere advice is to buy galaxy nexus or nexus 4 if you can. Else I advice you to use CM9 till the time Samsung releases essential sources to make CM10 work better. CM9 will give you much better battery life than CM10. As it is the battery life of S2 is not that great.
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Thanks for all the replies guys, really appreciated. Actually I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy S2 at the same price (almost $345). Since S2 is much better (in terms of hardware) as far as I know, it has less issues, better battery life and so forth. All it lacks is the OS that I want in Galaxy nexus, and since you're telling me that AOKP is just as good as stock Android, I can put AOKP (or even CM9 or Cm10) on it and use it. I just want a Galaxy Nexus for the OS, not for the hardware. As a matter of fact, the hardware of Galaxy Nexus is quite disappointing, so that's why I'm preferring the S2. The only reason I'm asking the questions is: whather I can flash a nexus-like ROM on to it and have a nexus-like OS experience. Is that possible? And is it worth doing?
choose which you think is best
ShadowArany said:
choose which you think is best
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I'm confused, and that's why I'm asking here!
iPhoneNexus said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, really appreciated. Actually I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus and a Galaxy S2 at the same price (almost $345). Since S2 is much better (in terms of hardware) as far as I know, it has less issues, better battery life and so forth. All it lacks is the OS that I want in Galaxy nexus, and since you're telling me that AOKP is just as good as stock Android, I can put AOKP (or even CM9 or Cm10) on it and use it. I just want a Galaxy Nexus for the OS, not for the hardware. As a matter of fact, the hardware of Galaxy Nexus is quite disappointing, so that's why I'm preferring the S2. The only reason I'm asking the questions is: whather I can flash a nexus-like ROM on to it and have a nexus-like OS experience. Is that possible? And is it worth doing?
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AOSP (in this case CM10) is already good enough to use, and you won't find major bugs as mentioned before (IF you can find them as you don't sound like a really heavy user but I could be wrong). So why waste money on a device if the S2 has better hardware?
AOKP is a modified version based on AOSP, but indeed has a lot more options.
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Get a Sensation. Pretty much has a bug-free version of CM10 JB 4.1.2 and various renditions of it (MIUI, PA and even a fully-fledged stock AOSP ROM)
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Jikstah said:
Get a Sensation. Pretty much has a bug-free version of CM10 JB 4.1.2 and various renditions of it (MIUI, PA and even a fully-fledged stock AOSP ROM)
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Because you think the S2 doesn't have these..?
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Donnie Sins said:
Because you think the S2 doesn't have these..?
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Probably, sorry for the lack of knowledge. The mood of the thread said otherwise.
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Probably, sorry for the lack of knowledge. The mood of the thread said otherwise.
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I can understand your thinking, but I think the development is both probably in the same stage
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i was with a friend today at a coffee shop. He had a nexus 4 (stock) and i had my s3 with cm10.1. i have 200 apps installed on my phone at the moment, and i also run swipepad, a LWP and Fps meter. we had a speed test between both phones, out come? my s3 with CM10.1 (stock kernel just updated) raped the nexus 4!
here are the tests we did:
apps:
phone dialer
play store
email camera
messaging
facebook
twitter
chrome
dead trigger
youtube
currents
appy geek
whatsapp
kik
earth
clock
gallery
other tests
Boot time
3G speed
here is the out come:
apps:
phone dialer: Nexus 4
play store: nexus 4
email: s3
camera: s3
messaging:s3
facebook: nexus 4
twitter: s3
chrome: nexus 4
dead trigger: s3
youtube: nexus 4
currents: s3
appy geek: s3
whatsapp: s3
kik: s3
earth: s3
clock: s3
gallery: nexus 4
other tests
Boot time: nexus 4
3G speed: neuxs 4
as you see the results are all over the place. but the s3 won 11 to 8 WITHOUT ANY EXYNOS SOURCES. granted it would be great to have them cos the while the s3 beat the crap out of the nexus 4, the nexus 4 had MUCH smoother animations. the s3 had really jerky ones.
the cm team have done a AMAZING JOB! a truly amazing one without sources! i can't imagine how amazing cm10.1 would be with the sources
**don't go hating on me**
Yeah, imagine sources & documentation...
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Don't get me wrong, I think cm is much better than stock Samsung roms.
I use a dual boot setup with cm and stock based rom.
Everything you wrote may be right but still there are some very basic reasons for me not to make a complete switch and leave stock behind:
1. Camera quality is still noticeably better on stock roms
2. Bluetooth is working much better on stock roms
3. Battery life is better on stock roms
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elcom said:
Don't get me wrong, I think cm is much better than stock Samsung roms.
I use a dual boot setup with cm and stock based rom.
Everything you wrote may be right but still there are some very basic reasons for me not to make a complete switch and leave stock behind:
1. Camera quality is still noticeably better on stock roms
2. Bluetooth is working much better on stock roms
3. Battery life is better on stock roms
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yes, true. but again each rom, Sammy or AOSP has their own advantages! i still need to wait to dualboot cm10.1 and NULL_14 i need to update my sig.
I really want to go to a cm rom and stick to it forever but due to the lack of documentation i have to switch back everytime i set it up and get comfy with it.. Like the other day i wanted to take a quick video of my friends birthday party. But as soon as i pulled out my phone the camera crashed.. It's these little things that make me change back to stock..
If samsung did put out the proper documentation for Exynos or Exynos themself then imagine how awesome cm would be.. Till then i just can't make a permanent switch.. But i really do love the asop rom.. Oh well till they do release the sources i will keep using my nexsus 4 or my nexsus 7 tab..
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I really want to go to a cm rom and stick to it forever but due to the lack of documentation i have to switch back everytime i set it up and get comfy with it.. Like the other day i wanted to take a quick video of my friends birthday party. But as soon as i pulled out my phone the camera crashed.. It's these little things that make me change back to stock..
If samsung did put out the proper documentation for Exynos or Exynos themself then imagine how awesome cm would be.. Till then i just can't make a permanent switch.. But i really do love the asop rom.. Oh well till they do release the sources i will keep using my nexsus 4 or my nexsus 7 tab..
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yeah, i found that too. the Camera on ALL cm roms SUCK! but then again, stock is slower...... so since i don't use my cam often i am on cm10.1. if i did, i would be on the best rom for camera quality
Agreed..
The awkward moment when you open the camera app and it says "Camera cannot connect" then the shot is ruined.. Ahh fooze balls.
Ohh well its a small price we pay for being geeks
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The awkward moment when you open the camera app and it says "Camera cannot connect" then the shot is ruined.. Ahh fooze balls.
Ohh well its a small price we pay for being geeks
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hell yeah! but my camera ALWAYS connects just the flash is buggy
This might just be the feature that pulls me away from AOKP for good. Windowed Multitasking is the one feature that I feel is crippling Android(and iOS for that matter) from rising as a serious competitor to traditional OSes(Windows, OS X, Ubuntu etc.). Anyone else excited for this?
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/28/...utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget
Official source from PA team: https://plus.google.com/107979589566958860409/posts/P6a1hP3vKxP
+1... looking forward to this for my galaxy and my 10... not really sure how necessary it is for me, or android in general. but maybe I'll realize I can't live without it.
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Already running PA for tablet mode but this just gives me even more reason to stick with them. I was running it on my S3 too but didn't really like it over TW.
Yup, very much looking forward to this. If they pull it off, I'll be a PA man from here on out! From watching the video, their implementation looks much nicer than most too.
It will depend somewhat on what Google are up to though, I'd be amazed if Android 5 doesn't have some form of multi-window mode and should be out in 3-4 weeks...
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It will depend somewhat on what Google are up to though, I'd be amazed if Android 5 doesn't have some form of multi-window mode and should be out in 3-4 weeks...
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And then 1-2 months of bugfixing in ROMs so it actually works ok
I asked about multitasking on PA thread for N10, and the answer wasn't far from what I think it might be the truth, seeing how is it going with the phones and tablets running PA ROM.
"Still far from done, and it's really questionable how exactly it will function on a tablet, seeing how the PA team is focused on phone development mostly. "
Interesting - I hope we get something like this. Another kick-ass developer timduru ported Cornerstone to EOS for the Asus Transformer TF101. It worked quite well. It certainly didn't make the TF101 any faster, but it was definitely something that I think improved the user experience on the tablet. I was able to watch video in one window and surf the net in another. :laugh:
For me, this was the most anticipated feature since I got my first Android tablet (which would be this one... :silly: ). Right now, I'm using the floating browser as a workaround, since the functionality of some apps can also be found on the web. - Except, of course, in offline situations.
I'm eagerly awaiting this, and I know that team PA can pull it off!
Pa just released a new video on Google +... it makes way more sense to me now... this will be rad with pie... Not sure how useful on the nexus 10 but awesome on my galaxy nexus... Can't wait
I guess I could post the link...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vlrgCteDac&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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For phones I can see this feature being extremely innovative and useful but for the Nexus 10 it would make more sense to implement something similar to cornerstone or what Samsung has done. Mostly due to the fact that tablets have such large real estate that can be utilized with multiple windows up.
The idea is great for phones but I, personally, would prefer something similar to what I mentioned. However, something is better than nothing.
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I would prefer actual windowed multitasking on the nexus 10, it makes sense on tablets as you have all that space and resolution that gets wasted on stretching out a single app
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I was thinking about picking up a used one of these for my mother for her birthday. I am torn between this and a Nexus 7, but I think she may like the larger size.
She already had a Galaxy S3 and a Kindle Touch. She mainly would just use it for Facebook, email, and some little BS games.
I this tablet still got enough power and support to last her a year or two? Also, would the stock rom with root be fine? She actually likes the touchwiz on the S3 so I would just keep that on the tablet as long as it's smooth enough.
I could get a used Tab for 150-200 or just pick up a brand new Nexus 7 for 200. What do you guys think?
Thank You
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I was thinking about picking up a used one of these for my mother for her birthday. I am torn between this and a Nexus 7, but I think she may like the larger size.
She already had a Galaxy S3 and a Kindle Touch. She mainly would just use it for Facebook, email, and some little BS games.
I this tablet still got enough power and support to last her a year or two? Also, would the stock rom with root be fine? She actually likes the touchwiz on the S3 so I would just keep that on the tablet as long as it's smooth enough.
I could get a used Tab for 150-200 or just pick up a brand new Nexus 7 for 200. What do you guys think?
Thank You
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If she's okay with the 7 inch size, I would suggest the Nexus 7. I gave my mom my original Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 inch, with CM 10 rom and she loves it. She much prefers the 7 inch size to a 10 inch tablet, but that's just my mom.
The Tab 10.1 is a great device, and is definitely worth it for 150 bucks. The stock rom is fine, but I would go ahead and load CM 10 or 10.1 on there just because it will be a smoother and better experience.
All in all, if she is particular about a 10 inch tablet, the Tab 10.1 is a good buy. But if she is okay with a 7 inch tablet, I would go with the nexus 7.
Thanks for the reply. Today I ended up asking her if she liked my Tab 7.7 or my wife's Tab 8.9. She seemed to like the 8.9 better because it was something she would just use at home. I was going to offer her my 7.7 and then just pick up a Note 8.0 for myself, but I think she likes the bigger screens.
So that being the case. Does the 10.1 run with any serious lag? I keep reading reviews about how slow it can be. She won't be taxing it with too much stuff, but she doesn't like any lag either.
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Thanks for the reply. Today I ended up asking her if she liked my Tab 7.7 or my wife's Tab 8.9. She seemed to like the 8.9 better because it was something she would just use at home. I was going to offer her my 7.7 and then just pick up a Note 8.0 for myself, but I think she likes the bigger screens.
So that being the case. Does the 10.1 run with any serious lag? I keep reading reviews about how slow it can be. She won't be taxing it with too much stuff, but she doesn't like any lag either.
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If you're keeping it completely stock, there may be a very slight lag just because of older hardware, but nothing terrible. If you do want to keep it stock, I would suggest using Nova Launcher, because it runs a lot smoother with transitions, swiping the homescreen, animations, etc. There's a free and a paid version of it.
If you want to flash a custom ROM on it, you may not get serious lag, but there will be glitches here and there like I mentioned before. For example, there is a slight flicker that happens on the screen every now and then, doesn't really bother me but it may bother some people. But the upside is that you gain a lot of features with CM 10.1 that you don't have with the stock touchwiz android 4.0 that comes with the Tab.
If you are wanting long term support I suggest the nexus 7 but as it is for your mom and see isn't going to be doing much according to your posts then get a tab 10.1 and put a custom rom on it.
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Thanks for the help.
I ended up getting her a Tab 10.1 for $150 with a flip case. It is coming pre loaded with CM 10 I think. It is the 4.2 version I believe. I told the guy to just leave that on. I may try the stock rom with the Nova launcher though to start her off. Not sure if there are any touchwiz like roms made, so I guess it will just revert to stock GB and let it upgrade to ICS. All in all, I think she is going to be just fine with the stock version for what she does on it.
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Thanks for the help.
I ended up getting her a Tab 10.1 for $150 with a flip case. It is coming pre loaded with CM 10 I think. It is the 4.2 version I believe. I told the guy to just leave that on. I may try the stock rom with the Nova launcher though to start her off. Not sure if there are any touchwiz like roms made, so I guess it will just revert to stock GB and let it upgrade to ICS. All in all, I think she is going to be just fine with the stock version for what she does on it.
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Remember to update the rom to the lastest version because there have been many bug fixes and new cyanogenmod nightlies get released.
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I am going to research and find the most stable ics or jb rom. I don't live with my mother and don't want to keep checking for updates. I think I found a V8 rom I could use.
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I am going to research and find the most stable ics or jb rom. I don't live with my mother and don't want to keep checking for updates. I think I found a V8 rom I could use.
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You mean JellyBeanRom v8? That's a nice and stable ROM.
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You mean JellyBeanRom v8? That's a nice and stable ROM.
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Yeah that is the rom that I use for my tab. Much more stable than cm.
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The tab should be arriving today before I get home. I will download the JB V8 rom and install it tonight before giving it to her tomorrow. I haven't really looked to much into it yet, but it looks pretty stable. There doesn't seem to be that many bugs either.
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The tab should be arriving today before I get home. I will download the JB V8 rom and install it tonight before giving it to her tomorrow. I haven't really looked to much into it yet, but it looks pretty stable. There doesn't seem to be that many bugs either.
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It isn't JB. It's touchwiz based ICS 4.0.4.
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