Is the fascinate worth it? I've had enough of this X2, and am looking to just get something to hold me over til I can afford to buy a Galaxy Nexus. Any tips?
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What's so horrible about your X2?
Just how laggy it is and lack of an unlocked bootloader
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Which ROM are you running?
I've tried Eclipse(2.0, 2.2 & 2.2.1[current]) and CM7. Unless I use ram booster it just runs ridiculously slow.
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I really think you need to SBF and start over from scratch. I'm running CM7 mashed up as a DD and it works like a charm. And honestly I feel like CM7 right out of the box was even faster. I've read some of your posts and it seems like you are concerned with bloatware and the locked bootloader. Loading a ROM will get rid of nearly or all of the bloat and free up alot of the lag. The locked bootloader really isn't all that bad unless you are more into hardcore customizing. It seems like you just want your phone to run right like its supposed to without all the craziness. Start from scratch and run CM7 only with no add ons or boosters or whatnot, its gotta make a wold of difference. Here's a look at my get-up, if you will.
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I really think you need to SBF and start over from scratch. I'm running CM7 mashed up as a DD and it works like a charm. And honestly I feel like CM7 right out of the box was even faster. I've read some of your posts and it seems like you are concerned with bloatware and the locked bootloader. Loading a ROM will get rid of nearly or all of the bloat and free up alot of the lag. The locked bootloader really isn't all that bad unless you are more into hardcore customizing. It seems like you just want your phone to run right like its supposed to without all the craziness. Start from scratch and run CM7 only with no add ons or boosters or whatnot, its gotta make a wold of difference. Here's a look at my get-up, if you will.
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I do have 2.3.4 backed up right after root. That's essentially identical to a SBF correct?
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If it were me and were still having trouble, I'd start all the way over and not from a backup to eliminate all the guesswork and get a fresh download of everything. You will like your X2 again.
And to answer your question, if you were SBF fresh, you wouldn't be rooted.
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If it were me and were still having trouble, I'd start all the way over and not from a backup to eliminate all the guesswork and get a fresh download of everything. You will like your X2 again.
And to answer your question, if you were SBF fresh, you wouldn't be rooted.
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Well I knew that part. Lol. Its essentially sbf'ed with root is what I meant.
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Well I knew that part. Lol. Its essentially sbf'ed with root is what I meant.
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bro, i have the fassy, and honestly i think its worth it, the fascinate has the same amount of RAM the x2 does, but the fassy is running ics (from aokp, gummy, cm9, and team hacksungs own) reallllly well, plus it being unlocked=kernels, i think it was a fair trade up for the dx2 thats stuck with motoblur (crap)
Not to say you aren't getting great performance from your X2 on CM7, but I've ran CM7, Eclipse, MIUI, Liberty, and Molten on my X2. I kept finding myself going back to Eclipse.
But, none of them ever made the X2 run flawlessly, especially when it came to music and the entire skipping issue. Even using the V6 Turbocharger scripts helped somewhat but not completely.
Under Eclipse 2.2.1, I also set up Titanium Backup to clear user cache and reboot the phone nightly (usually around 4 am after it was done doing backups and pushing them out to my Box account).
I'm now on a Droid RAZR and the performance between the two is night and day. The RAZR screams and I don't have to use the V6 turbocharger scripts. Music doesn't skip and the performance of the phone is through the roof. You know what that sad part is? The RAZR and the X2 are almost the same as far as both being dual-core and the RAZR only being .2 ghz faster than the X2.
The RAZR is a dual-core (like the X2) running at 1.2 ghz (as opposed to 1.0 ghz with the X2). But, the RAZR uses a TI chip while the X2 uses a Tegra-2 chip. The Tegra chips run better proportionately compared to the TI chips. Benchmarking shows the X2 scoring 2660 while the RAZR scores 2700. Overall, that shows that a 1ghz TI chip would score lower than the 1ghz Tegra chip.
But, the RAZR still out-performs the X2 by almost 20%. And where that comes, in my honest opinion, is the memory. The X2 has a total of 8gb onboard memory, with 512mb being used for the internal memory to run apps and such. Compare that to the X2 which has 16gb total memory with 1gb being used for the internal memory for apps and such.
This allows for better application management when it comes to multitasking and I really do believe this is part of the issue with the music skipping and the relatively poor performance the X2 displays, especially after it's been up and running without rebooting.
With my RAZR, I haven't had to reboot for days and I still get the same peak performance. Of course, this is running Eclipse on it, but even with the stock (which I kept on it for about a total of 3 hours until I figured out how to root and flash Eclipse on it), it felt VERY snappy and smooth.
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I am pondering which route to take to get to an ics rom. I recently received a refurb unit, and considering i am coming from ground zero, I want to take the most efficient path to ics. I don't know wether to upgrade to the leaked firmware, or should i simply use a rom that is patched to work with the old firmware. I am open to all arguments.
on a non related note I play college footballhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sESA-vXkyY
I personally used the leaked firmware since it was radios and all. The patch is to keep your existing radios and PRL version, but to be able to use newer roms. My rezound with the new radios has better coverage than my wife's which has the original from the ota. Since you are already starting from the ground up I say flash the ruu for the leak.
I am using the leaked ICS RUU and it is working fine for me. I also get better coverage with the new radios.
Since you're at square one, I'd install the leaked firmware.
...my $.02
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I am pondering which route to take to get to an ics rom. I recently received a refurb unit, and considering i am coming from ground zero, I want to take the most efficient path to ics. I don't know wether to upgrade to the leaked firmware, or should i simply use a rom that is patched to work with the old firmware. I am open to all arguments.
on a non related note I play college footballhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sESA-vXkyY
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Aren't there fairly serious problems with screen-on CPU usage, though? There are several threads outlining issues with the new firmware. I am using CleanROM 4.3 with the patch, and my battery life is slightly better than it was before. I'd be very wary of flashing the new firmware until the official OTA, or until s-off is achieved.
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drmanhattan said:
I am pondering which route to take to get to an ics rom. I recently received a refurb unit, and considering i am coming from ground zero, I want to take the most efficient path to ics. I don't know wether to upgrade to the leaked firmware, or should i simply use a rom that is patched to work with the old firmware. I am open to all arguments.
on a non related note I play college footballhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sESA-vXkyY
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unless you have a problem with the radio, go with the patch
so that you can always go back to stock gb when you want or need.
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Aren't there fairly serious problems with screen-on CPU usage, though? There are several threads outlining issues with the new firmware. I am using CleanROM 4.3 with the patch, and my battery life is slightly better than it was before. I'd be very wary of flashing the new firmware until the official OTA, or until s-off is achieved.
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The on-screen cpu usage is not from the firmware its from the kernel. So whether you are running the patch/old firmware or the new firmware, you have the issue as long as you are running the new kernel.
The new ICS does give pretty outstanding battery life, as long as the screen is off. but as soon as you turn the screen on your battery meter turns into a countdown timer. I can go all night without my phone on charger while I'm asleep and it only uses about 5-8% battery in 8 hours. That's pretty good. But during the day while I'm using it with screen on battery life is garbage and the battery gets really hot.
My suggestion is to stay on the OTA gingerbread as long as you can unless you're just really dying for ICS. Wait for the official ICS update with a better kernel. But if you go with ICS I would use the old firmware and patch method. So it makes it easier to go back.
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unless you have a problem with the radio, go with the patch
so that you can always go back to stock gb when you want or need.
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+1 to that. Until they get s-off setup for everyone I would recommend this as well. I toiled forever on whether to do they leak or not. I saw just as many people saying it helped as hurt. At first I chalked it up to the noob factor but once I saw people that looked like experienced flashers having problems I held off. The roms now have old firmware patches so you can run them without the leak. I've ran Clean Rom, Nils and Bored without any problems at all. I've even been able to run the Sense 4.0 roms using the patch. Battery leaves alittle to be desired on some of them but we don't have sources for kernels so that's to be expected. Just my $.02 but it's your phone and the choice is up to you.
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unless you have a problem with the radio, go with the patch
so that you can always go back to stock gb when you want or need.
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Agreed. Just install the patch.
Another vote for the patch. You can always switch to the leaked firmware if you want in the future but you can't downgrade. I recommend holding off upgrading firmware until S-OFF is released. If you are happy with battery life/signal, etc don't mess with it.
I'm on the patch, working great, got 1 day, 18 hours and 30 min last weekend with 19% left. Of course that is very light use but I have never seen that before. I have no problems with coverage or radios
Thanks for all of your pragmatic input. I've upgrade to the leaked firmware on multiple devices, and was tempted to do the same to this one. You guys pretty much reinforced my feelings of trepidation and resovle to obstain from going as far away from Stock gingerbread as possible. It just lowers my inhibitions with its uglyness when placed side by side with my old device running ics. Battery life is paramount though.
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drmanhattan said:
Thanks for all of your pragmatic input. I've upgrade to the leaked firmware on multiple devices, and was tempted to do the same to this one. You guys pretty much reinforced my feelings of trepidation and resovle to obstain from going as far away from Stock gingerbread as possible. It just lowers my inhibitions with its uglyness when placed side by side with my old device running ics. Battery life is paramount though.
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I concur... This new leak seems to be a quagmire of sorts with an inscrutable connotation with it's apocryphal results. I show no vexation in calamitous consummations, due to acquiring s-off. I can ascertain that the commendable course of action would be to accede the repercussion, unperturbed: until another advantageous recourse ameliorates.
Edit: Did you mean obstain or abstain? Because obstain means this...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obstain
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I concur... This new leak seems to be a quagmire of sorts with an inscrutable connotation with it's apocryphal results. I show no vexation in calamitous consummations, due to acquiring s-off. I can ascertain that the commendable course of action would be to accede the repercussion, unperturbed: until another advantageous recourse ameliorates.
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Assuming that s-off comes in a near term time-frame. We don't all have an extra Rezound to play with, and constantly tweak to work as a daily driver. It's perfectly reasonable to wait for s-off.
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I concur... This new leak seems to be a quagmire of sorts with an inscrutable connotation with it's apocryphal results. I show no vexation in calamitous consummations, due to acquiring s-off. I can ascertain that the commendable course of action would be to accede the repercussion, unperturbed: until another advantageous recourse ameliorates.
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The latter :beer: I preciate da thought u put into dat reply
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So I am very new to the whole flashing scene. This is actually my first smartphone. I have it flashed to Straight Talk, and I love the phone.
I have it rooted, and was thinking about trying some custom ROMS. I tried ICS first, but the lack of a good camera and panorama made me flash back to stock. I use this phone primarily as a camera.
I now have the "stock" Gingerbread ROM flashed. And I was wondering if there were any enhancements I could make to this ROM, or if I would need to flash a different one.
I do like the default layout of the phone. I would love to be able to speed it up a bit though. What I did like about ICS was how I could customize every little detail. If there were a GB ROM where I could customize, but did not lose my beloved Panorama photos, I would definitely give it a try.
Darkys is a great gb rom. Its based on stock gb so it would be reasonably familiar. its fast and stable.
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ICS most certainly has panorama mode
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You didn't tell us what variant you are on so I am going to assume you have a Verizon fascinate flashed to straight talk.
Geewiz and super clean are about equal for touchwiz ginger bread. Touchwiz has the best camera by far on gingerbread. I'd use the cm7 cherry picks by makelegs if you want aosp.
But seriously, I don't understand why you would use gingerbread at this point. The camera quality from glitched aokp ics to tw gingerbread is nearly equal. Panorama is on ice too.
Oh and darky's rom is only an option if you are on a GSM telus fascinate. It is not for Verizon's cdma version.
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Superclean 3 gets my vote. Combined with KGB Kernel it is pretty smooth and everything works.
TSM Res 2.2 is a lot like SC3, but it has more available to customize. For example, you can tweak your clock, use the MIUI battery bar, change text colors, etc. In the end, both are excellent choices. KGB kernel works well with either, and it should do pretty much anything you need it to do.
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You didn't tell us what variant you are on so I am going to assume you have a Verizon fascinate flashed to straight talk.
Geewiz and super clean are about equal for touchwiz ginger bread. Touchwiz has the best camera by far on gingerbread. I'd use the cm7 cherry picks by makelegs if you want aosp.
But seriously, I don't understand why you would use gingerbread at this point. The camera quality from glitched aokp ics to tw gingerbread is nearly equal. Panorama is on ice too.
Oh and darky's rom is only an option if you are on a GSM telus fascinate. It is not for Verizon's cdma version.
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It does have panorama, but the quality of it is nowhere near the stock version. Having to constantly sweep the camera instead of having it take several instant photos often leaves motion blurs or vertical slips.
I am on Straight Talk, yes. And I am currently on ICS milestone-5. I love everything about this rom, with the exception that I cannot use the flash in camcorder mode, which is big for me, and that the camera constantly force closes.
I take probably a hundred photos a day with my phone. Someone considering it stable when they use it once a week is one thing. It is not stable when used daily throughout the day.
If the camera worked on ICS I would most certainly stay with ICS. I have tried builds from all the devs. The same 2 issues persist. The LED will not remain on for camcorder or torch, and the camera force closes constantly.
Until these issues are fixed I have to use GB. I would like to find one that I can still OC to 1.4 ghz or so. My quadrant scores on ICS are in the 1650's. Stock around 1200s.
The only reason I have this phone over a normal Straight Talk phone is for the camera. Without it being 100% stable and reliable I cannot use ICS
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Then your option is basically super clean 3 or Geewiz. Use the KGB kernel with it for a performance boost through over clocking .
And don't put too much stock in quadrant. It is one of the least reliable ways to benchmark a phones performance.
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bobloblaw1 said:
Then your option is basically super clean 3 or Geewiz. Use the KGB kernel with it for a performance boost through over clocking .
And don't put too much stock in quadrant. It is one of the least reliable ways to benchmark a phones performance.
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I don't base performance on Quadrant. I only use to to compare "ok X scored 1200 and Y scored 1500".
I am back on the "stock" GB right now.
I actually had just tried the KGB kernel. Maybe I did something wrong...I could not find any settings to overclock with that kernel. Do I need another app to overclock once on that kernel? All I did was look in the options that you get when you click on the KGB app.
I was on GeeWiz also. I flashed the ROM, booted from the ROM and flashed KGB.
I saw some people saying for other overclocks they needed NSFtools or something like that...Do I need that to overclock on KGB?
Sorry if I'm an idiot -,- I've come a long way in a week I think lol.
I would use the KGB app with the KGB kernel. I am a little curious why you wouldn't just use a camera instead if the phone for pictures. The phone will never compare as far as quality goes.
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I haven't been on gingerbread for so long...
But nstools is for ics and other aosp roms.
If I remember right, maybe try voltage control? I think that's what I used back then.
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shelby04861 said:
I would use the KGB app with the KGB kernel. I am a little curious why you wouldn't just use a camera instead if the phone for pictures. The phone will never compare as far as quality goes.
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I have an SLR camera when I want to take "real" photos. I still take them constantly on my phone.
I installed GeeWiz again and KGB, it is doing the android voice thing right now for its first boot.
When I went to the KGB app before, I did not see anything for cpu or voltage control. The first time I installed it via recovery, so maybe now that I've done it through ODIN it will be different.
If not I will post back in a few minutes.
With my luck, they will get the camera / torch working on ICS tomorrow and I'll get to go through the whole process again lol.
EDIT: Yea, there is no option for voltage or cpu settings. The app opens, you can adjust call / volume boost, and zram settings. Nothing about CPU / Voltage....I'm confused....
Voltage control is an app in the market. I should have been more clear.
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Voltage control is an app in the market. I should have been more clear.
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Ah, I'll try it. I thought it was built into KGB like it is in ICS.
Really sucks that they cant get the torch working so I can use the LED for pictures because I really do like everything else about the ICS roms -,-
That worked. Up'd it to 1.4 ghz and will adjust the min once I can play with it a little.
As soon as the torch settings work on ICS I will be back to that. I really do love the UI itself. Just hate that I can only use my camera with flash but not the camcorder
Sorry about that. You will also need any of the CPU programs like voltage control,etc. I wasn't knocking you for using it as a camera, was just curious because I don't know to many people who take a ton of photos on their phone. I do here and there, but the dslr is where its at
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Superclean 3 gets my vote. Combined with KGB Kernel it is pretty smooth and everything works.
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I have ice cream sandwich on my fascinate and i hate the fact there seems to be no fix for the speaker phone.
Does superclean 3 with gingerbread allow you to use your speakerphone without the echos and feedback?
i like ics but the speakerphone issue is a dealbreaker for me.
After 6 months with this device I have lost faith. The lack of software fixes to issues that are important to me have caused me to become frustrated and abandon the device. Too bad. I thought it had potential. Goodbye RAZR forum. Thanks to those that assisted me.
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So... you're selling it? How much?
Since the device is not completely oké I offer 50 Euro for it.
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If you don't mind me asking, I would just like to ask what sort of problems with the software were you having?
I'm in the market for a new phone and the Razr Maxx is on my list. So I'm still doing my research before pulling the trigger for a Maxx.
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If you don't mind me asking, I would just like to ask what sort of problems with the software were you having?
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I, too, am curious about what software issues you are having. The only software issue I have come across so far is compatibility with Google Voice, but that is solely a Verizon thing and applies to all VZW Android devices, and there is a relatively easy workaround.
I have been running Eclipse 1.3 since purchasing my Razr, however, and the Eclipse ROMs are known for being very stable and better than stock. This may be why I haven't come across any software issues.
Or, on the flip-side of that last comment, all of the custom ICS ROMs have known bugs. Are you running a custom ROM, or stock Moto?
I too am on the fence about buying a razr. I found one locally for 250 box and all. I won't lie I'm a little worried that I might not like it because lack of support. And after seeing this post I leaning towards not getting it. What didn't you like about it?
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I would like to know what issues op is having as this its the best phone I have ever owned.
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iguanad said:
I would like to know what issues op is having as this its the best phone I have ever owned.
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I second that.
he probably means that there still isn't ics...which isn't really a big deal because of the easily installable leaks but...whatever..his loss
Fantastic phone. 0 issues. Battery life is silly great. Couldn't be happier...would love a 0 shutter camera but its close enough...that's nit picking
bleAf! said:
If you don't mind me asking, I would just like to ask what sort of problems with the software were you having?
I'm in the market for a new phone and the Razr Maxx is on my list. So I'm still doing my research before pulling the trigger for a Maxx.
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I have a regular RAZR. To be frank this is my tipping point:
1. Bluetooth streaming sucks. This is a big deal to me. I have "stutters" when streaming music to my car stereo. It wasn't present with the Atrix I had before. I updated my deck's bluetooth firmware. No improvement. This likely a software radio fix required.
2. Bluetooth sound quality is tinny. Using my phone with a bluetooth device makes sound quality tinny. This got worse lately.
3. Lackluster battery life. This is a hardware limitation.
4. Poor wifi performance. This again is likely hardware.
5. ICS would be nice. But it isn't why i want to rid of it. It took up to 2 weeks ago to get an OTA to 2.36. That fix in my opinion improved nothing.
The Maxx addresses the battery concern i had. But it doesnt address my other concerns.
I honestly find this phone to be a step backwards from the Atrix it replaced. Too bad. This is a device that looks amazing. It just is too quirky for me.
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Maybe it's just that device. My maxx is easily the best phone I've ever used. I've had none of the issues you've described. I can deal with the lack of ics for now because I have it on my tablet and gb is running just fine so far for me.
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Maybe it's just that device. My maxx is easily the best phone I've ever used. I've had none of the issues you've described. I can deal with the lack of ics for now because I have it on my tablet and gb is running just fine so far for me.
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Agreed. I can honestly say this is the best phone I've owned or seen. (Maxx, I wouldn't touch an OE Razr for any money)
Just chipping in my two cents here, if anyone wants to know.
I picked up my Razr two days ago from Verizon. I had a local carrier that did NOT work at all when I moved, and I needed a new phone. I was pretty attached to my xperia play, but not enough to buy another, plus, I wanted a 4G phone. I kinda searched around the forums at some of the others, and eliminated all but the Rezound, the Thunderbolt, and the Razr. A friend of mine had the Thunderbolt, and had good things to say about everything but the battery life, and a friend of his was absolutely in love with the Rezound. The Verizon rep, however, was absolutely in love with her razr, and gave me 100 dollars off on it, so, being cheap, I took it, opened the box, went to XDA, and realized... there are no ROMs for the CDMA Razr. Couple of seconds of freaking out, and I stumbled on droidrazr's website, and got it running with an AOKP/Axi0m kang, and then with Gummy. The device is wicked responsive, the signal quality with Verizon is second to none, and pretty much everything is perfect with the world (though I've found the device is easier to hold upside down in certain situations) I don't know of the google voice issue, unless you're talking about the voicemail integration, in which case its no issue at all, as voicemails come straight to your GV inbox. My last Moto was a Backflip, and I swore never again to Motorola.... now I'm glad I went back on it... though battery life could use a little oomph... good thing I have an external pack.
GV is pretty easy to fix. I use it as my voicemail. Can call it by pressing 1 or open the app and listen to my VM. Sorry off topic but an easy fix
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I have a regular RAZR. To be frank this is my tipping point:
1. Bluetooth streaming sucks. This is a big deal to me. I have "stutters" when streaming music to my car stereo. It wasn't present with the Atrix I had before. I updated my deck's bluetooth firmware. No improvement. This likely a software radio fix required.
2. Bluetooth sound quality is tinny. Using my phone with a bluetooth device makes sound quality tinny. This got worse lately.
3. Lackluster battery life. This is a hardware limitation.
4. Poor wifi performance. This again is likely hardware.
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I have a JVC r80bt and bluetooth streaming never has had a hiccup. Connecting and pairing happen quickly from car start- up. Perhaps it is your deck's bluetooth adapter, or bluetooth version.
On the eq, again mine is pretty spot on. I
noticed bass was a bit saturated, but eq that out.
Wifi performance never noticed issues, but ics could alter performance if they tweak hardware drivers.
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I love this phone. I concur with these his/her people. Go buy an iphone where you dont control your software. Apple does.
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Can't blame you. RAZR is the worst high-end Android phone I have ever used - and I've used a lot more than I've owned.
Given how badly Moto screwed everyone with this device - first by releasing the MAXX so quickly after the original, then by refusing to unlock the bootloaders, then by releasing a completely separate 'developer edition', and finally with the delayed release of the ICS update, I am honestly surprised there are so many Motorola apologists. Bizarre.
Even more bizarre is how much I love the Electrify I downgraded to when I couldn't stand the RAZR's terrible battery life and nasty, yellowed screen any longer. Ho-hum. At least the Chinese 4.0.4 release is pretty good.
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bbabiuk said:
I have a regular RAZR. To be frank this is my tipping point:
1. Bluetooth streaming sucks. This is a big deal to me. I have "stutters" when streaming music to my car stereo. It wasn't present with the Atrix I had before. I updated my deck's bluetooth firmware. No improvement. This likely a software radio fix required.
2. Bluetooth sound quality is tinny. Using my phone with a bluetooth device makes sound quality tinny. This got worse lately.
3. Lackluster battery life. This is a hardware limitation.
4. Poor wifi performance. This again is likely hardware.
5. ICS would be nice. But it isn't why i want to rid of it. It took up to 2 weeks ago to get an OTA to 2.36. That fix in my opinion improved nothing.
The Maxx addresses the battery concern i had. But it doesnt address my other concerns.
I honestly find this phone to be a step backwards from the Atrix it replaced. Too bad. This is a device that looks amazing. It just is too quirky for me.
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1.) No issue with mine. I'm using poweramp. I used all of last week. I just ordered a new stereo for my car so I can stream.
2.) Haven't tried it
3.) I really don't get many calls on my phone, but use it for everything else. Battery last all day majority of the time. Once in a while I'll only make it 8-10 hours before I have to charge it.
4.) I get great WiFi (Pic was taken before I went to ICS)
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5.) Running the leaked ICS. I am running ICS on my old Fascinate and my A500. was happy when I could install it on my Razr..
Oh, guys, re: bluetooth streaming, it doesn't suck. Quite the contrary. Gave it a good testing over the weekend. RAZR is one of the first phones to support apt-X, aka lossless bluetooth streaming up to ~320k. Recommend trying it with a BT4.0 headset if you've not already. Bests the One X quality-wise when using apt-X, too.
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I upgraded my ATT Note to ICS thru Kies.......the phone has now slowed to painful speeds....when hitting return button phone will cycle thru screens repeatedly until I hit power button and restart phone.....any thoughts
WhiteMountain said:
I upgraded my ATT Note to ICS thru Kies.......the phone has now slowed to painful speeds....when hitting return button phone will cycle thru screens repeatedly until I hit power button and restart phone.....any thoughts
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Master reset the phone see if that helps.
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I recently had to get a warranty exchange after my charging port stopped working a week after upgrading to ICS. When I asked if I'd have to re-update the new device I was told to hold off because there are a lot of kinks that need to be worked out in terms of the compatibility with this device.
That's fine with me because I did a master reset and all and still had the slow speeds, sporadic behavior, black screens, etc. :sly:
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I do not think its a fluke. ICS has a lot of improvements but there is no way its as fast as Gingerbread. I know most people will say I am wrong but Gingerbread is much snappier and its also more simplistic. ICS also eats up more ram but besides speed and ram its very much improved as an OS.
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I do not think its a fluke. ICS has a lot of improvements but there is no way its as fast as Gingerbread. I know most people will say I am wrong but Gingerbread is much snappier and its also more simplistic. ICS also eats up more ram but besides speed and ram its very much improved as an OS.
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I disagree with this, but only to a certain extent. I have noticed varying amount of lag on both GB and ICS. ICS does seem to use up more RAM on consistent basis, but that alone doesn't really mean that it is slower or indicate that it is the slower of the two OS. GB had its problems for me as well.
Overall I enjoy the user experience much more with ICS than I did with GB. That's not too say that its consistently faster, but overall Ill deal with a few quirks for the upgraded OS.
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I do not think its a fluke. ICS has a lot of improvements but there is no way its as fast as Gingerbread. I know most people will say I am wrong but Gingerbread is much snappier and its also more simplistic. ICS also eats up more ram but besides speed and ram its very much improved as an OS.
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In my case ICS is MUCH faster, smoother and solid than Gingerbread on my Note.
if you all were running a aosp ics rom . it would be lightyears above gb
i recomend rooting and geting on aocp its like night and day compared to touchwizd ics
Just Use CM9 ICS virtually no lag...
Just flash a rom already
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Same problem here, mate. I loved the Note with GB, but it's been buggy as all hell with ICS. The biggest problem is looking at the blank home screen with nothing but wallpaper for up to 30 seconds after closing an app. It's a lot better using GoLauncher rather than TouchWiz, but it still suffers from a lot of lag. Hopefully they'll push out an OTA fix to better regulate resources soon.
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Ya root your phone and viola...problem solved...not to mention you get things like beats audio and stuff that makes the phonw 100% awesomer(yea awesomer)
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even if you don't want to run a custom rom, you should at least do the following:
1. Use Odin to flash the latest cwm recovery
2. Boot to recovery, flash superuser to root
3. Clear cache and dalvik
4. Reboot
5. Profit
Then again, running a custom rom would be an even better idea...
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Same problem here, mate. I loved the Note with GB, but it's been buggy as all hell with ICS. The biggest problem is looking at the blank home screen with nothing but wallpaper for up to 30 seconds after closing an app. It's a lot better using GoLauncher rather than TouchWiz, but it still suffers from a lot of lag. Hopefully they'll push out an OTA fix to better regulate resources soon.
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Do a complete wipe and update through kies on your pc.
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Do a complete wipe and update through kies on your pc.
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An excellent idea.....:highfive:
Even after rooting and debloating (which helped) it was still too slow for me, go with cm9 or if you think your ready cm10 lol
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If stock ics is too slow, I think a nice launcher could help if you're not addicted to Samsung widgets. Nova prime or Adwex can speed the home screen up a bunch. Especially with options to reduce scrolling time etc. I thought the stock ics was perfectly fine. I never had any speed issues or complaints, but I was running a debloated, aligned, deodexed version so maybe that had something to do with it.
Obviously best solution is custom Rom though :thumbup:
Good luck peeps.
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I am moving from a Bionic to a RAZR MAXX. I may dump it quickly for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus or HTC Rezound, (as those were my other free replacement choices), but we'll see. For now, the MAXX is in the mail and I want to be ready when it arrives. Here are the initial questions I have off the top of my head:
When it comes to hacking/rooting/custom ROMs, is the Razr MAXX (XT916) the same as the regular Razr (XT912)? In other words, are the processes and available ROMs the same, or do I need to only use files specific to the MAXX?
Should I use Safestrap 2.0 or a different Recovery? I am so used to Safestrap but will not use it if established MAXX users say not to.
The Bionic is still an 'ICS-hopeful', and users are having to flash ICS leaks (unofficial) to get it, but I understand that ICS on the MAXX is officially released. What's the best custom ICS ROM? For me the word "best" means no MotoBlur, no custom launchers (i.e. most vanilla)
Thanks in advance for the boost. I want to hit the ground running when I get the phone.
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I am moving from a Bionic to a RAZR MAXX. I may dump it quickly for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus or HTC Rezound, (as those were my other free replacement choices), but we'll see. For now, the MAXX is in the mail and I want to be ready when it arrives. Here are the initial questions I have off the top of my head:
When it comes to hacking/rooting/custom ROMs, is the Razr MAXX (XT916) the same as the regular Razr (XT912)? In other words, are the processes and available ROMs the same, or do I need to only use files specific to the MAXX?
Should I use Safestrap 2.0 or a different Recovery? I am so used to Safestrap but will not use it if established MAXX users say not to.
The Bionic is still an 'ICS-hopeful', and users are having to flash ICS leaks (unofficial) to get it, but I understand that ICS on the MAXX is officially released. What's the best custom ICS ROM? For me the word "best" means no MotoBlur, no custom launchers (i.e. most vanilla)
Thanks in advance for the boost. I want to hit the ground running when I get the phone.
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1. Never heard of an XT916. Both the Maxx and regular Razr are model XT912. They're identical in all aspects except for the larger battery and the shell differences that allow the larger batteries. All XT912 files work for both devices.
2. I use Safestrap and I recommend it.
3. Both XT912 devices have received the 211 OTA. If your phone does not have it on start up, check for an OTA. We also have a 215 leak floating around that updates the kernel and installs a new (better) 4g radio. This leak IS fastbootable back to 211 so flash at will. The fastboot file is available for download so I recommend getting it for safe keeping.
As far as "best" rom, that's a matter of opinion. I flashed the Liquid rom a couple days ago and LOVED it. Unfortunately, just like all AOPK and CM roms I've flashed, I had issues with the phone and data connection. Those two are a must for me so I always nandroid back to iKream (blur based). Maybe you'll have better results.
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Great, thanks for the info. I wonder why the term 'XT916' is all over the internet then for the MAXX model...confusing
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From some quick Googling, this is what I found:
XT910 = Razr (GSM)
XT912 = Razr (CDMA/LTE)
XT913 = Razr MAXX (GSM)
XT916 = Razr MAXX (CDMA/LTE)
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Great, thanks for the info. I wonder why the term 'XT916' is all over the internet then for the MAXX model...confusing
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From some quick Googling, this is what I found:
XT910 = Razr (GSM)
XT912 = Razr (CDMA/LTE)
XT913 = Razr MAXX (GSM)
XT916 = Razr MAXX (CDMA/LTE)
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Hmmm....maybe they changed the model # designations or something. I have a Razr Maxx (Verizon) and my model # is XT912. Obviously I'm on the leaked update and iKream rom but it's showed XT912 for as long as I've owned it.
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Isn't the model number based on the ROM being used? It would stand to reason that if all the custom ROMs are based on the original Razr, then they'll say "XT912" instead. I'll see what mine says when I get it - they said it is shipping with ICS 4.0.4.
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Isn't the model number based on the ROM being used? It would stand to reason that if all the custom ROMs are based on the original Razr, then they'll say "XT912" instead. I'll see what mine says when I get it - they said it is shipping with ICS 4.0.4.
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I'm pretty sure it's not or it would say my device is a Razr instead of Razr Maxx. Also checked with a buddy using a completely stock, never flashed, OTA updated, VZW Maxx. His model is XT912 as well.
The fastboot files for Razr's and Maxx's has XT912 in the title. I still stick with original philosophy. Unless Verizon or Moto changed something very recently, both devices should have the same model #.
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As long as I can use Razr files that's all I need to know. Just found it interesting that there were all those model numbers for the same thing. All Bionics are XT875, never seen any others.
Well...after even more deliberation I called Verizon and told them I'd rather have the Nexus. They had already shipped the MAXX, so they went ahead and shipped the Nexus also and just said to return the one I do not like along with my Bionic when I have made a decision. I guess I will have both phones at once for a couple days, not sure if that will help me decide or not, since you really have to use them to know which is better but that's the deal. I am still on the fence, but leaning toward keeping the Nexus now - I can send back whichever one I don't want though since they're both coming now.
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Well...after even more deliberation I called Verizon and told them I'd rather have the Nexus. They had already shipped the MAXX, so they went ahead and shipped the Nexus also and just said to return the MAXX. I guess I will have both phones at once for a couple days, not sure if that will help me decide or not, since you really have to use them to know which is better but that's the deal. I am still on the fence, but leaning toward keeping the Nexus now - I can send back whichever one I don't want though since they're both coming now.
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Nexus is nice because of the unlocked bootloader and JB roms but you'll need an extended battery or 3. I upgraded to the Maxx from a Nexus and never looked back.
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Nexus is nice because of the unlocked bootloader and JB roms but you'll need an extended battery or 3. I upgraded to the Maxx from a Nexus and never looked back.
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What do you like more about the MAXX? Don't you miss not being able to have the latest software? Do you miss the screen of the Nexus? Do you miss the slim profile?
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What do you like more about the MAXX? Don't you miss not being able to have the latest software? Do you miss the screen of the Nexus? Do you miss the slim profile?
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The battery sells the phone for me. My Nexus would die before lunch time. I literally had 3 extended oem batteries. Then the Verizon belt clip case wouldn't fit with the slightly larger extended battery so I took a dremmel tool to the stock cover and hollowed it to fit the extended battery.
The roms where nice. I had 6 roms booting at once with Boot Manager. Since they're built from source, most/all roms/customizations simply work. Unlock/relock/flash at will. For a hardcore modder, a Nexus is the way to go. But over time I grew tired of carrying a battery in my pocket, leaving one at work, and the stock battery at home for a backup...or being tied to a cord all day.
I can't tell a difference in the screen and the Maxx is pretty damn slim as-is. I made the switch right around the time the first ICS leak came out so jumping from ICS to ICS was a nice switch. I like the customizable soft keys of the Nexus but I had a certain set up I like. Not all roms would have the settings to move/add/remove buttons like I like so I was constantly relearning the softkey configuration. Or even worse, if a rom didn't have the option for a menu button, I would have to search for it in different apps/pages (it moves). So I like the stationary soft keys of the Maxx.
It's all personal preference I guess.
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Well, I've gotten everything I need to decide. Both the MAXX and Nexus are in the mail to my home now as well as Otterbox Commuter cases and ZAGG screen protectors for both. Extended battery (2100mAh) + back cover for Nexus is also on the way.
I guess I'll have one set of accessories to re-sell once I choose the other.
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Great, thanks for the info. I wonder why the term 'XT916' is all over the internet then for the MAXX model...confusing
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From some quick Googling, this is what I found:
XT910 = Razr (GSM)
XT912 = Razr (CDMA/LTE)
XT913 = Razr MAXX (GSM)
XT916 = Razr MAXX (CDMA/LTE)
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For what it's worth, I just got a Razr MAXX GSM at the system menu it says Model number: "XT910 MAXX". Now to figure out how to move to ICS ... seems that most posts are geared for Verizon/CDMA owners. cheers -j
jmcqup said:
For what it's worth, I just got a Razr MAXX GSM at the system menu it says Model number: "XT910 MAXX". Now to figure out how to move to ICS ... seems that most posts are geared for Verizon/CDMA owners. cheers -j
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There's plenty of roms for us GSM folk
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Well, I used both the MAXX and Nexus for a day each and settled on the Nexus to replace my Bionic (send the MAXX back). Thanks for the input anyway though
if it's not too late, i recommend eclipse for the maxx....
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Casen said:
if it's not too late, i recommend eclipse for the maxx....
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Meh, I used Eclipse on my Bionic. If you had asked me 24 hours ago, I would have said Eclipse was great...but man, now that I am rockin' Jellybean (Android 4.1) on this Nexus, nothing compares
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Meh, I used Eclipse on my Bionic. If you had asked me 24 hours ago, I would have said Eclipse was great...but man, now that I am rockin' Jellybean (Android 4.1) on this Nexus, nothing compares
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I played with it on a TF201. Seemed just like ICS with the exception of a few minor differences.
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I played with it on a TF201. Seemed just like ICS with the exception of a few minor differences.
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My main like is the offline speech to text. Don't have to have a signal now for it to translate what you said to text. I use that in every app, since I hate typing on the keyboard. It is always accurate when it hears me, but on ICS it needed the network. Now it can do it offline, I love it - I can speak out a long paragraph without any spelling errors in an email in 2 minutes! Also, the camera app is much better. Swiping back and forth between photos/live camera is MUCH improved.
I flashed CM10 on my Maxx yesterday. Pretty solid build. As soon as we get data working fully (less drops), I'll use it daily. For now it's a fun dual boot to play with.
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